Is there such a video and where?

are you serious?


a type R against a WRX......

why wouldnt he be serious. the type r is the only real compition that the wrx has cost wise. just becasue its not turbo or awd doesnt mean it isnt capable to hang with the wrx. wait till the new rsx comes out that will probably be the biggest compition on the market against the wrx. just my $.02.
peace

uhhhh..... the rsx type-s is doing quarter mile in 15.5. thats an estimate i htink from c&d. not really compititoin!and its heavier! and more expensive! maybe if they bring over the rsx-R then well haVE TO SEE!!1

yea and car & driver 'estimated' that the WRX would do 0 to 60 in 6.7s when they first drove it. i dont dont even take their tests seriously, to take their estimates seriously is laughable. no one will know what the S is capable of until its here, and after its been here for awhile. a race between the current type-r and the rex would be a good one with good drivers, whether in a straightline or on a road course. although with equal drivers id definitely put my money on the WRX.

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there was a video about the tsukuba challenge where there was a race b/t a WRX STi ver. 3/4? against the type r. Guess which car won.
I think it's at www.vtec.net (http://www.vtec.net)

no one mentioned the rsx S.......


(type R vs. WRX)

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Oooh, I know, I know. The STI won, but it wasn't until the very last lap that it took the lead. Guess which car had the lead for the entire race(until the last lap of course). It was the ITR. Not bad, a 200hp FWD car barely loosing to a 280hp awd one.

Now if the ITR is barely beaten by the STI, why would some of you think it couldn't hold its own against the 227hp WRX.

Gambit, Eby: are you refering to the jap vcd "best motoring"?

haha... I love that show!! but the impreza usually don't compare w/ the integra there... here are what they'll go againt in Japan in the vcd.. NSX, Lancer, RX-7, Skyline... but I hardly seen the impreza took pole position for a while...
can anyone update me on the best motoring news for impreza?

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The WRX was toying with the Type-R in that video. He passed the R on the OUTSIDE of a corner, and then still beat the R down the straight even after being ofrced 1/2 off the track by said Type-R driver.

I've seen those vids, are you sure that was an STi, I was under the impression it was just a regular WRX vs. the ITR, CTR's, FTO, and Lancer. Did the Lancer break down, cuz it disappeared after the first lap or so.

Are these what your talkin about?
Drags: http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-08.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-09.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-10.avi
Track Race: http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-11.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-12.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-13.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-14.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-15.avi http://www.vtec.net/video/ctr/civicr-16.avi

Somthing i think we all need to realize id that the ITR, and the WRX are two totally differnt classes of cars.

The WRX is a rally bassed car. Its designed to be thrown sideways, and powered through corners.
Where as the ITR is straight up a tarmac pounding touring coupe, designed for high revs, high RPM, and grip driving.

And neither of thiese cars where ever designed to be drag raced.

If you really want to talk about armac cars, look at a tarmac specific rally bassed car like the 22B, P1, Evo-6.5 TME. Those are tarmac burning cars. And needless to say, an ITR couldent even fathom keeping up.

So putting it all into prespective, withen their own right, they are all great cars. However, comparing them to each other competitivly is like apples to oranges.

I could kick all your a**es on my bike......and I mean pedal bike.http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif


Joe

i said competitive(comptition) not comparing. as i see it the itr is the only competition unless you can name another car in its performance and price range USDM. just because the WRX comes from a rally heritage doesnt mean everybody is using the WRX for rallying. hell ive seen an itr on rally and a toyota supra. dont believe me check out one of the SCC's not sure which one but about 8 or so months back. what about the BPM coupe runs low 10s on the 1/4. well i am just trying to voice out my opinion not trying to start anything.http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
peace

i think the Type R is truly a respectable car.

if it ain't losing that badly to a WRX then it should be a pretty good match with the M5. no? haha

Hi everyone, I am an ITR owner and wannas exchange a few cents.
Well, I was peeking message boards from lots of other cars, sort of espieonaging on competitive cars to know their strength and weakness to better secure my knowledge on cars overall. And interestingly, my most thoughtful rivalry for my car is the same as your, ITR vs WRX thinggy. Without much surprise, ppl here are not ricey bias retards like those on the Celica GTS boards.
So I decided to register and speak out abit.

Never driven Turbos, 4WD or FR, so can't really comment on the pros and cons, but I really like the high revving VTECs in my car. You must like your turbo too, ^_^.
The reason I brought the ITR is 1)at year 2000, it's the best bang for the bucks 2)low-rpm NA more suitable for city driving and gas conservative
3)Rare, and respected, sometimes girls dig it too, hehe.
4)A beginner's car for me to use on AutoX and tracks, since on some track occasions, it behaves like a FR -->as some BM drivers said, and it does oversteers alot when you ask for it.
5) Wants to be among my kind...the same ones with the mentality and attitude of a true car ethuasiest (like you guys). A Stang GT cost about the same, but they are arrogantly overwhleming the street, and most of them knows about their own cars no better than how my grandma undestands about HTML. It's good for floor-it kinds of so called "racing", but imagine it throwing a curve at 60, cutting lanes at 120, AutoX.........enough said.

I definetly want to try out all different cars, but...sorry to say that for a turbo 4wd, I plan to wait for the Evo8.

To stick to the topic, I have the March issue of BM vcd, and they were doing a full test with the JDM WRX, non-STi. And the results are:
1)14.2 avg 0-400M (It's the 250hp)
2)The automatic's turbo hardly respondes and only have 16.1 sec flat 0-400M. (Wagons and sports sedan)
3)There were no ITR for drag comparison, but they used Accord EuroR, which needlessly said, lost at 15.7 due to some horrible launching. And the best time for EuroR I think is 14.8, I remeber it's faster than the ITR. BTW, a perfect launch from Altezza is also 15.7.
4)The only car that ever came close to the WRX at 400m is Silvia S15 Turbo spec-V(240SX Gen3) at 14.3
5) In Tsukuba circult, Altezza pole position, Euro R 2nd and WRX 3rd, TME and old STi covers the behind. At the end TME took 1st, STi took 2nd, then comes Silvia S15, then the new WRX, followed by EuroR, Legacy and Altezza, respectively.
Also, the new STi were took to Nurburgen, Germany for a ride, looks sweet.
I love this VCD too, where the limit of the cars can be tested by the most experienced drivers, where driver's skill gap were kept a minimum.

If any one have some ftp site for upload, I can do the favor.

Here is also a link to a funny video on superhonda.org, it's a homemade between a stock R and a moded turbo 2.5RS AusDM. The R owner claims that after vtec kicks in (5700rpm) the gap between WRX didn't widen.
http://www.live2cruize.com/mvc-028w.mpg http://www.live2cruize.com/itrwhipped.mpg

And for your reference, here is a link of a well done Integra GSR with turbo, it ran fast on drag strip, but it wack the engine several months later...what do you expect of a turbo kit on a car that weren't meant for it? Too many of such example made up my mind to go all motor, slower and more expensive, but I guess it would be fun.
http://www.c-speedracing.com/media.html
(Download the last 5)

A question for you Scoobie drivers, are most of you considering modification to JDM spec if reliable aftermarket appears? I am doing a poll and research to see what kind of mod to put on the teg in response to the scoopie attacks that I anticipate as more ships to the shore. Force induction is not an options for me, FF car simply just can't handle it as a daily driver. A $3000 all-motor work on an ITR can bring it on 1/4mi at high 13's, reliably. So, want to see what a full blooded WRX (250hp JDM with mods) can do, then I will need to come up with another plan to push my car further...probably concentrate more on the handling side after power increases. Competition is a win-win on both side.

So did anyone of you warm blooded enough to already extract the hidden power of WRX, how was it.
Anyone with trouble regarding turbo lag or other related problems?
Has anyone removed the three catalyct converters, how well is the mobility afterwards?



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Heres a cool video of a Type R vs. a WRX (ok, Turbo RS, same thing!)...Enjoy.......heh hehehehehttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/lol.gifhttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/lol.gif

http://www.public.netc.net/montreal-subaru-club/movie/snow2250k.asf

Jon

The Type R was lucky to build up the lead....because the Civic and FTO were holding up the WRX. Once the WRX got past the two cars, he had one lap to catch the ITR.

He easily reeled that fish in and passed it on the OUTSIDE LANE! BWAHAHAHAHA!

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I think that tsukuba challenge pit cars that have similar performance. If the ITR has 200hp then it's edge is it's lightness. While the WRX might need to put on ballasts etc. Just like the other touring series races in other countries.
Yeah if you watch the entire video, the WRX was held up. Once he overtook the ITR, the gap just widens. And that's after half a lap in that final lap. Pretty slick.

My friend has a ITR, and we've messed around a few times.Not any real races, just 2 thru 4th. Let me tell you, the wrx IS faster. I was on his a$$ the whole time. When we went from a rolling start I still had him by a car or two. Maybe by the end of fourth he would have got me, I don't know.

nEoMuGen:
I belive Imprezer has added an IHI turbo to his car (runs about 1500). I'm guessing it's better than JDM spec. Check in the turbo powertrain forum for "ass kicking" (refering to the SCC cover I assume). There are 2 posts by him, one with just a boost controler, the other with his new turbo.

no 1/4's yet though.

Staying NA with the Type-R is a good idea,
the the compression ratio so high you would damage the engine quickly.

-Ed

Here is my pic alone with other members of the NEITR club. Don't laugh.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1663381&a=12745563&p=48379020

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More Horsepower = faster, it's hard to neglect this fact. I am not the type of guy that thinks I can take on V8 with my 4 bangers & stuff, so if talking about the top limit of each car despite the skills of driver...as shown from various BM issues, the JDM WRX is doubtlessly untouchable by ITR on drag and circuit -- stockwise. But the main question is how will the USDM do on with USDM ITR? There are many reasons that made up our minds to be devoted to these cult speciality cars. Although I tried to arrange some test drive with Subara dealers, but no way in a million years that I will give up my R. Most honda ethuasiest praise the fine engineering of Honda. Honestly speaking...an NA 4cyl can have such performance and value, it is pretty amazing. There is just something so special about ITR that I fall in love with her. Like you guys did for Impreza. Sure, there are lots other cars that can beat my car, but you have to be an ITR owner to understand our compassion. And vice versa. Driving this car is really really fun, it's hard to describe, its lack of violent torque made it go fast smoothly and agile on corners. What I hated the most is the unneccesary high-end attention crafted by the import world to gave ITR a god-like figure. Which really sucks as I get pick on all the time, I drive crazy and often life-risking to protect the "fame" of ITR and Honda, and I am going full throttle to have my car moded to its fullest potential as more faster and better cars appear on the market. It's a road of no return...sigh.

WRX1330: Why not try to talk in to your friend to switch cars for a couple days, and tell us your like and dislike. Then after both of you are familiarized with each other's car, do a drag, and if your friend driving your WRX still beats the ITR, then the USDM is indeed faster.

And here is some interesting AutoX events. A showdown between stock ITR vs Moded NA 2.5RS(no turbo?). Watch closely on their movement and you will understand why ITR is call the FR of FF cars. And the chasis of 2.5RS is just too rigid to have any advantage on these courses...it's built for rally afterall.
http://www.bsheep.com/public

I think its the #4 and #5, #7 is really funny.

For your references.

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"I drive crazy and often life-risking to protect the "fame" of ITR and Honda"

I hope you're not doing this on public roads. If so, you're one of those people who give a bad name to the import community. Who are you trying to prove your ITR to, the other crazy driving "ricers"? Sure you're showing the other immature street racers how fast your ITR is. Meanwhile you're giving the general public a stereotype that young import drivers are dangerous and reckless.


I personally love the ITR. It's a great car who's performance is best extracted on the track or autocross. Too often I meet ITR drivers who have never even heard of autocross. It's a shame really. Honda should have done like Dodge with the Neon ACR and only sell them to people with SCCA memberships.

FYI, there have been several magazine comparisons between the USDM ITR and WRX. In every one I've seen the ITR has won for overall performance(not off the line acceleration, or bad weather performance of course).

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I know I should've brought the black one instead of yellow, it brings me lots of trouble. Yes, those reckless driving is mostly done on public roads, and believe me I try to avoid those incidents as much as I can unless it exceed my maximum tolerance. Ever have one of those bastards tailgate you so close as if it were in the parking lot at 80mph with highbeams flashing? I do legal speed of 70mph, which is the "rational" limit that cops allows on highway. And time after time, the car behind me, espeically young drivers will floor their maxima or civic whatever and cut me infront, I let them cut me, then they will move out and cut back in again and again. I don't know where you live, but in NYC, there is no order of traffic. Not only imports, but all sorts of cars ranging from vans to trucks all drives crazy, most out-of-towners were frighten when riding taxis in Mahattan. So if they want to pick a fight, they do it the extreme ways. I am an adolesent too, so impulsive responses often exceed rationality, I am sure you had those days before...afterall, mature racers mostly had a history of street races when they were young...back in the 60's or 70's when chevy's small block V8 roar the road, there aren't too many complains but regarded it as positive for the motor world. Now...imports were face criticism because they were discriminated due to patriosm and also thanks to the "Power by PIAA" ricers...
Well, anyway, I am saving up to $2500 this August, and I'll have my car painted all white, removed the rims and put on generic ones and the spoiler.
It's a pain to kill my car's appearance, but the last thing you want in NY is attention and envy.
And yeah! the best way to learn about driving and manipulating cars is AutoX, cheap and safe. Both ITR and Prosolo2 is my gateway to a wider world of racing, the street days are over long ago after I got into an accident (didn't drive fast or anything, an old lady hit me while she runs through red light, but the instance taste of death gave me second thoughts), however driving a yellow ITR is just not easy...AHHHH!!!!! Why did I pick Yellow??!!!!??!!

P.S. Anyone enjoying the clips?



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That's too bad you'll have to do that. I'd probably sell an ITR before painting it all white. It seems like it would be too much trouble to own, period. Sad to hear it. I've always loved integras

welcome to the board...
Dont paint your R... its not worth the expense and your going to need that money to try to keep up mod for mod with the WRX http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif

-Nathan

nEoMuGen,

Just be happy you get a kewl yellow to choose from. Easter Egg Yellow just doesnt inspire the respect a WRX deserveshttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif

Anyway Don't Let 'em Give you any crap. ITR is a great car. Great shape and mean as all hell.

Thanks for stoping in and not flaming the board.

nEoMuGen just be carefull when you "drive crazy and often life-risking to protect the "fame" of ITR and Honda" That car is a very nice car, i know cuz i used to own one. But be realy carefull with it. One of my freinds had a Type-R also and he crashed it by racing on the highway. He hit the middle divider and spun 360 and hit the right side rail guard. PLease drive safely and treat that car good. i hate to see another type-r going to waste.

Edit: may i add this car had roughly around 400 miles on it =[

Edit: pics arent showing but here's the link =] http://photos.yahoo.com/prt_manager
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Rob


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I use to be all show no go, but now as I devoted more to the mechanism of automovies, it's all go no show. I don't care how many ITR were stolen, I don't care how better cars gonna be in the future. I am gonna have this car, and that will be a fact, whatever it takes, I must own this car. It's a special feeling of possesing something that you dream about and drooling when watching Best Motoring back in 1999. Life is meanninless without my R...
OOps, forgot this is Scooby board. Hmm...no one talks about the videos, no one ever downloaded them?
And don't worry about it, as I perticipate in AutoX more often, I have better control on my car, my mods are mostly consisting handling issues.
Was your friend...from Bayside? Or Elmhurst?



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XT6Wagon & Snoopy,
Okay, watched the video's again because I haven't seen them in a while. That was an S turn where the STI and ITR met up. For the first part of it the STI was on the outside and the second the ITR was on the outside. The STI took the lead at first but the ITR took it back when it was on the outside for the second half. It wasn't until the straight that the STI actually pulled ahead for good(which is understandable, 280hp vs 200). It wasn't really held up by the FTO for that long in the begining. It got passed by the CTR once after it had already gotten ahead of it. The ITR could defidently hold its own through the turns it was just the straights where it's lower power slowed it down. Anyway, my only point is you have to give it credit for doing that well against the STI. Also it's defidently a good competitor with the WRX(and from all info so far should be slightly faster on tracks with dry pavement).

neomugen,
I guess you sound like a pretty cool guy. Just resist that urge to show up those people who challenge you on the highway. If they are being as intrusive as you say, just slow down some and they'd probably leave. Oh and I personally wouldn't recomend painting your ITR white. For one the yellow looks awsome(of course that does attract attention good and bad). For two, it will hurt your resale value when it's been painted in a different color. If you really want white you should sell your yellow one and find a good condition 97' or 98' for sale. Yellows are in such high demand that you'd probably get close to what you paid for it. The used white one would also be cheaper so you'd have money left over for mods. That's just what I'd do though if I were in your situation.

nEoMuGen


great videos man http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif

justin

If you head on over to http://www.superhonda.com you will see such videos. And as I recall, the WRX won over the evo 5 or 6, the fto, ctr, itr, and something else...it should still be there on the videos section. Theres like 5 of them total.
-lata, justin

Hey Neomugen: Do you know what mods the blue RS in the 5th vid has. Mainly exhaust and intake, it sounded sweet. He wasn't using his e-brake was he? If you know him, tell him not to do that. Was the ITR e-braking? Thanks, later.

I posted all the vids on the first page of this thread.

I meant hand brake when I said E-brake.

Those videos look like ablast NeoMugen! I wish we could do that down here. Was that for fun or an SCCA event?
That RS was e-braking in the first loop, the others he did not...I want to go do that...

Oh man, there are some horrible drivers in those videos of the mini-autox. The only decent drivers out there were the ITR and EVO-wannabe. The Subaru drivers were terrible.

nEoMuGen:

Just an FYI, Imprezer just ran a 13.3 @ 102 in his modded WRX. He has added an IHI VF22 turbo @15psi, catless up-pipe, and full turbo-back exhaust. He still has a Tec-II to install as well as larger injectors. Expect to see him in the 12's soon enough.

-Jon

LOL! So I heard, you gotta love how fast information flow these days thanks to the internet. I already took note from one of the ITR guy in ITR board...most of ITR owner aren't like civic and prelude owners, we are "mostly" unbiased and like to be educated and learn from others, here is the quote by him, pretty detailed:

OK, here is the story:

Location - Sears Point, Sonoma, Ca
Owner - Alex, aka Imprezer, Admin of I-Club
Mods
- Upgraded turbo
- Manual boost controller, set to stock levels
- Water injection onto intercooler, manually operated
- 80mm exhaust
- no cats
- Cusco suspension
- 17" Volk Te-37, AVS Sport tires
Time - 13.38, 1.85 60ft.

Car has not yet been tuned, and he isn't launching very high as to limit the shock on the drivetrain as the car only has a few thousand miles on it, &gt;4000 miles.

The car sounds damn nice, and Alex was more than willing to answer all of the questions that everyone had for him. He has more go
fast parts sitting at home, car wont be tuned until he installs the other parts.

Austin


[Modified by 00itr0757, 12:00 AM 5/17/2001]
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2000 Acura Integra Type R #0757 DECEASED
2001 Acura Integra Type R #0457 just a few things on order.

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End of quote.


But...hmm...here is a video of a turbo Integra GSR. But the Type-R aren't that applicable for force induction as the GSR does with lower compression. But until now, there still aren't any reliable kits for tegs that can be street-driven and last for more than a year.
http://www.c-speedracing.com/mission/02/13-14.mpg



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The event is hosted in Chicago. I highly doubt that it is hosted by SCCA, SCCA would be more upscale with broadcast from booths and timing electronics setup at the goal. And another hint is that no car have numbers and class code on them, so it should be some local event hosted my ethuasiests.

And yeah, those drivers are horrible, but probably newbies. Most cars aren't even suppose to compete in AutoX...automatic V6 Stang convertible? I had high hopes to when I saw a stang showing up, but can't see any oversteer controls cause it's too slow!' I would never run my car in such a course if the ground is dry. Look at #7, that rice Mirage is just too damn funny...autocrossing with chrome rims and 17 inch tires...and the way he burn his front tires and redline his car just received my two thumbs-up for "wayta go, rice boys!"

If I can ever pursuade my dad to buy me another digital camcorder (don't ever leave your camcorder in your luggage in the airport!, I'll have some NYR-SCCA events tape and post them up for those who really cares. And of course, the scoobies will be taped. I am writtin a web site right now about ITR and my journal of learning how to drive and hopefully by late summer I can be at LimeRock. = $$$$$


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It's some guy over ITR board that tape the AutoX in Chicago. So I don't know the guy personally. What's e-brake?
Engine-braking? Well...sounds like the ITR rev to the red on 1st gear and e-brake a bit before approaching the cone, 1st gear max is 33mph on ITR.
Then he jabs the handbrake several time to have the rear came out. That's what I guessed and he said yes.