I want one but no way it will be below 25-26k. A 2001 Jetta with 150 horse 1.8t is 23,275, Subaru has had too much success where the wrx has already been sold to "test" the market this car will definitely be high 20's anybody have any input? If you can't afford a type-r you can't afford a wrx.

1.8T Jettas can be had for about $18000 stripped-$21000 fully loaded...

Where have you seen jettas fully loaded for 21k I went to a lot two days ago and the gls with sport luxury package was msrp 23,275?

Who buys cars for msrp? Wheel and deal with them.

Is everybody going to wheel and deal with them on the wrx? I think not.Don't get me wrong I like the wrx but pushing 30k I will go with the redesigned 2003 A4 quattro and drive in luxury and be able to modify till hearts content. Audi is a rally car company too lets not forget but how many people are actually going to do this with their wrx?

I dunno about you guys, but I sure as hell wheel & deal on any car I buy!

Unless it's not your money, of course. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

I suppose being a "Scooby Specialists" you will get a discount for a new WRX, oh bye the way it is my money not mommy or daddies.

Go away, troll.

I'm sure you joined a Subaru message board to bash Subarus. No, really. The Audi is a completely different class of car with completely different priorities. Where is your proof of cost for te WRX? try reading a few other posts about people who actually have deposits on these cars before you go making a fool of yourself. And if you have nothing better to do than speculate and flame, go somewhere else. No one wants you here, and no one is keeping you here.

You cannot compare Audi to Subaru. End of Story. Just what you need a rally car: luxury. Gotta have those heated leather seats for those long treks during the WRC. Psuedo-rally is more like it. Production Audi's are not equipped for rallying like the Impreza. I haven't exactly heard flattering things about Audi's quattro system.
justin

Ya know, Audi is liscencing a lot of thier AWD tech from Subaru, if I remember right. True, they don't have a long ralley history like Suby, but they do do it, and they are nice cars. And what's wrong with a little luxury? And finding a WRX for under the base will be difficult at first, since the demand will make the wheeling-and-dealing nearly impossible. Remember when the Miata came out? Pre-purchasing or waiting will be the only ways you'll be able to get a lower price, IMHO. Peace.

Theres going to be plunty of WRX's around 6 months after release... Unless they make such a big hype that everyone all of a sudden everyone in the U.S. thinks Subaru = REAL Performance http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/tongue.gif (ya right)

Im thinking the base might be lower than everyone expects... Jap model = $21k US on the exchange rate. US model has lesser wheels, lesser seats, less HP, no side markers, spoilers not standard... Come on guys, its an old design engine with a better chassis and slightly improved interior... Theres no way its going to push $25k! Even with Tarrifs, export fees, etc.

Im starting to think sub-$23k... Your not getting all that extra crap like you get on a Jetta though, like windows that roll down with the lock, fancy interior lighting, plush leather interiors, and all those other "amnimities" (sp?) that German cars have...

Too bad I cant get one http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif Ill just get a 2002 RS or TS Wagon while everyones fussing over the WRX's (= Bargain http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif)

The WRX is coming to the US? No way!

By the way you can still get a used VersionV Evo at the wholesalers here in Japan for around $18K. I'm still holding out for a change in the law that allows Grey Imports.

Yeah N/A, I heard that rumor too that the WRX is coming here. It's even gone as far as reputable car magazines and even dealers saying we're getting them. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

Hogwash. Someone tell the grinch to go play elsewhere and don't tease us anymore about High Powered turbo 4-cyl cars that'll spank domestics.

--KC

2000 ............... PEUGEOT (206 WRC)
1999 ............... TOYOTA (Corolla WRC)
1998 ............... MITSUBISHI (Lancer / Carisma WRC)
1997 ............... SUBARU (Impreza WRC)
1996 ............... SUBARU (Impreza)
1995 ............... SUBARU (Impreza)
1994 ............... TOYOTA (Celica 4WD)
1993 ............... TOYOTA (Celica 4WD)
1992 ............... LANCIA (Delta Integrale)
1991 ............... LANCIA (Delta Integrale)
1990 ............... LANCIA (Delta Integrale)
1989 ............... LANCIA (Delta Integrale)
1988 ............... LANCIA (Delta Integrale)
1987 ............... LANCIA (Delta 4WD)
1986 ............... PEUGEOT (2O5 Turbo 16)
1985 ............... PEUGEOT (2O5 Turbo 16)
1984 ............... AUDI (Quattro)
1983 ............... LANCIA (Rally O37)
1982 ............... AUDI (Quattro)
1981 ............... TALBOT (Sunbeam Lotus)
1980 ............... FIAT (131 Abarth)
1979 ............... FORD (Escort RS)
1978 ............... FIAT (131 Abarth)
1977 ............... FIAT (131 Abarth)
1976 ............... LANCIA (Stratos)
1975 ............... LANCIA (Stratos)
1974 ............... LANCIA (Stratos)
1973 ............... ALPINE - RENAULT (Alpine A11O)


MANUFACTURERS : INTERNATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS

1972 ............... LANCIA
1971 ............... ALPINE/RENAULT
1970 ............... PORSCHE

Let the stats speak for themselves...

Audi's Quattro system is probably one of the best AWD systems out there. They use Torsen diffs, which are probably what you would upgrade your Subaru to if you were upgrading. And Audi definitely has a deeper rally heritage than Subaru. I dont recall any Group B Subarus. Granted there isnt any Audi WRC team now, but you've gotta get your facts straight ace.


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Subaru has more heritage (3 times Vs. 2) and it doesn't go all the way back to the 80's, it's with the Impreza we all know and love!
The Audi's system is inferior and in tests in Top gear, and Autocar it proved to be less capable the the Scoob's.
in Top gear the A6 2.8 quattro lost traction on a wet road before it's RWD & FWD rivals (B.M.W, Lexus, Jaguar and Alfa 166) much to the amazement of the staff and to the disgrace of us AWD lovers.
in "Car" magazine both the A8 and the A4 Avant where critisized that their AWD was too intrusive,
and the latest version of AWD from VW(also featured in the TT and S3), in an Autocar comparison with the new WRX, they said the Impreza's AWD was better, escpecially off the line.
So with all the EDL, torsen bulls**t the Audi just can't provide the same level of performance the Subaru's AWD can.

Do you know the meaning of the word heritage? It doesnt mean number of manufacturer championships. Where's the Group B Subaru???

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Do you understand, there are no Audis racing in the FIA Rally championships!
The only VW group contender is the Seat Cordoba, which we won't see next year due to the lack of success.
If you drive heritage every day, buy the Audi if you want a good car stop at your Subaru dealer!
And I don't see any Audi N group cars (like the WRX STI), while the first 2 chapionships where won with a "regular" Impreza!
I hope Subaru would next bring the STI, Legacy RSK, plant the H-6 in the Legacy GT and maybe then you will see how much better the Subarus are!(not just performance wise)
but then again even the WRX kicks the S4's as* in every corner.

That's great. So there's no Audi in FIA WRC. Im very well aware of this thanx. But guess what? there's no Subaru in BTCC or TOCA. And Audi has obviously cleaned up in those 2 racing circuits. So what's your point?
Do you really think that Subarus have better build quality than Audis? Come on now. I only bought my Impreza over an A4 because of the price. I couldnt afford the extra $5K. Have you even sat in and/or driven a new Audi? It's a far cry from the Civic-esque interior in my Impreza.

BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND: http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/mad.gif

i think that the base line new impreza's will be around the same price as they are today, but i think the turbo versions will hover around the 25k range if you want an honest opinion. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

see, that's not so hard

How about the point of view from someone who has owned both Audi's and Subaru's. Subaru's racing sucess is very recent, and only in Rallying. Audi place 1,2,3 at Le Mans, and has had growing sucess in racing since the early 80's. Are you aware that TOCA banned Quattro from the league and deemed it an "unfair advantage." That's the same Quattro on the non-race spec A4s. Don't get me wrong, I love my subaru, but I still miss my Audi.

Excellent points Kachukaa. Glad to see someone else can see this from more than one point of view. Some people on this board think that Subarus are just the be all-end all, ultimate automobile and that nothing else is worthy of anybodies money.

I was watching Fox Sports Net and they had part of the Speedvision Cup, the Las Vegas GT, on but an S4 won beating our Archers Viper, Many porsches, Vettes, and M3's. It was Michael Galati Audi S4

I know that the Subie doens't have the power yet, but it makes me wonder if there'll be any Subies next year or the year after.

Audi has a better reputation in Rallying, especially many years ago when they were, umm, banned?, because of the tecnological advantages they had.

--KC

A quick dose of reality:

1. The list price of the 2001 RS is only $19.5K.
2. One of the reasons that the A4 is over $5K more expensive is because they spend more on the interior - not the performance.
3. People don't buy Subaru's for the quality of the interior, we buy Subaru's because of the quality of the mechanical components, the overall reliability, and the performance.
4. The 2001 S4 has a list price of $38.9K - the comparibly equipped (from a performance standpoint) WRX will be about $15K less expensive.
5. There is no way that Subaru is going to charge a $10K + markup for the WRX. The base model Impreza has a list around $16K. Up until now, the RS was the performance version of the Impreza, with a sport suspension, larger wheels & tires, a larger engine..... - and Subaru only charged $3K for the RS upgrade.

The WRX will be well under $25K

Can somebody please close this thread? What's the point of heatedly debating the price of a car that will be officially introduced in 3 weeks?

are they going to show it at Los Angeles? I am so there... Actually, i am going anyway... I hope its there...
--Adam

I think that the car will be right around $25k. That's about right. VW Golf 1.8T's can be had in the $19k range, easily. If you load the car up with leather heated seats and sunroofs and stuff it is still a $21-22k car. Subaru has to compete and I feel that the WRX package is 'fair' at $25k.

I also think that car sales will be relatively soft in 2001. The economy is taking a slight breather from the high growth pace and I think there will be fewer people out there buying new cars. When things become uncertain, people curtail spending habits, particularly on the big ticket items like cars.

I'm taking a wait and see approach to the WRX. I think it is a neat car, but I also don't find it 'to die for' and I don't feel the need to pay a price premium or get into a bidding war. I think the 10k cars will be enough to saturate the market after a few months.

As for the Audi, the A4 is a great car. Period. It's not the best, not the fastest, and not the cheapest, but it is 'great'. Quattro works just fine - maybe not the best, but I'd take a quattro for year round performance and dependability over many rwd cars (BMW MB etc) As it was said, it's a good value, and I'd buy one if I wanted to spend that much money. The structure of the A4 is much more substantial than an Impreza. If I were going to drive on the road 95% of the time, and I didn't want to race the car, I'd buy one. The A4 is not a direct competitor to the WRX either.

-olaf

Congrats "250k plus", your are one of the very few I've ever seen post on this board with an open mind and commen sense!

And for all you morons out there comparing Subaru's racing heritage to Audi's,....you've GOT to be kidding me!

Audi entered a stock 100 in the 24 hrs of LeMans 10 years ago or so. It rained hard. The production car was one of the top finishers. I wish I had a copy of the C&D article that detailed this.

Anyone aware of the significance of the four rings in the Audi emblem?

They represent the four manufacturers that merged to form Auto Union as a whole.

DKW
Horch
Wanderer
Audi

I mean, I'm a big Subie fan...but the heritage of Audis racing is far beyong what Subie has done in WRC over the past 10 years.

If you combine just the early Quattro days, Pikes Peak, Group B, early Group A, Trans Am, 2-liter Touring Car etc..., I'm not sure that Subies manufacturers championships can compete.

And that doesn't even consider the early silver arrows days of the Auto Unions, or the immense history of NSU motorcycle racing success that got soaked up into Audi in the 60's.

Regardless...I think a $25K WRX is about right. I would think $5K on top of the current RS is fair, especially if they offer a "base" version with similiar trim to our RSs.

Chris Hartman
Roseburg, OR

Im giddy about the release... even if it is only 3 weeks, I cant stop speculating! (And schools out til end of January, nothings keeping it out of my head!!!)

Anyway, the 2002 RS will be VERY different than the current RS, but closer than the current L is to the RS. Its gonna have the 2.5 engine, possibly standard alloy 16' rims, the stiffer chassis, and Im HOPING the good suspension... But, it wont have the hoodscoop, moonroof, spoiler, checker cloth (but possibly the same as the WRX), those nice rims, and probably not power windows/etc. standard like the current RS. That would put it about 2-3k less than the RS... just a tad more than the L's, I hope...

It's OFFICIAL!!!
The local dealer will sell the new WRXs for around 29k-30k. US price will be 25k-26k. This guy is the only importer of Subarus in Puerto Rico (at least for now) and he told me he's trying to get a better price for P.R. (27k-28k). Stop jerking yourselves 'cause IT WON'T BE CHEAPER than 25K; not in the US, not in PR, not even in Japan.

peace,

M

it will be less. It's not official until Subaru tells us the price.

--KC

subaru will be making 10K new WRX's plus any orders that come in, even if the base Manu's suggested retail was in at 25K, I bet you could get into a turbo for 22K, turbo with options I'm seeing 25K max.

If you order exactly what you want from the dealer and offer them 2% over invoice, there not going to turn it down, they might try to talk you up, dont go for it or goto a another dealer. They would be making money from you that they otherwise wouldn't. The new WRX isn't under any kind of S2000 circumstances whatsoever where there are 5 people competing for every car that comes in. Even in that case my dad got the first S2000 in utah for a mere $500 markup. Just shop around.

oh and BTW, VW's are probably the most expensive compact range of cars. I dont think the prices on VW's is really comparable to subarus

What a flamefest.

You guys get some patience and realize that your local dealers know Mr. Jack Schitt, and spew it constantly.

Until the car is revealed at the Detroit auto show in the second week of January, there will be no HARD NUMBERS to back anything up.

And just for the record, there car doesn't look like a Neon and we WILL NOT be getting the steering wheel with the MOMO logo on it.