I am working on digging up the specs so I can come up with the mod list for setting up a spec focus in GT4

So far it looks like

2600lbs min- which means SVT focus, do stage 1 lightening, then add 15kg ballast
RC suspension, Looks like rates in the 2.9k front 5.0K rear max are the rule.
22m F sway, so leave it as is with the RC suspension
25mm r sway, bump RC sway up 1 notch
User adjustable ride height
user asjustable camber


stage 1 exh
no engine mods otherwise

any clutch, must leave flywheel stock

1.5 LSD (still researching this, quaiffe is allowed, need to find out more about the quaiffe)

roll cage

R medium tires

no brake changes allowed, as the upgrade increases rotor size.

No driving aids whatsoever


So far the one I set up has managed a 1:42.344 at laguna seca, which is about a sec faster than my spec miata car. But of course this is with my driving that isnt that great.


As far as driving setups go

People using dual shock will add between 1.5 and 2 sec to their times (opinions on this?)
The DF Pro wheel will be set to
active steering off
gt force/driving force- simulation
Power assist- off




Anyone interested?

I figure we will pick a track, then pick a certain number of laps, and take the best single lap time from that session.
Then post results here from each race, assign points to each race and top 5 places, and keep track of total points for the "season" in this or another thread. Not sure how many races and what tracks, but we can determine that if we get enough interest.


We could also do a spec miata series, or that instead.

Or we could pick another car and set it up in a similar fashion.


Well?

Ot???

how about setting up a subie? might get more hits that way, but a cool idea none the less. Im too busy perfecting my drifting skills with my S15, but maybe if it picks up, Ill join in.

Yeah a subie would be totally doable, just need to pick a class, and figure out the mod list.

And I put it here because I figured I would get more people that would be serious into it. People who can actually drive. Ya know?

If this doesnt get any decent response here, Ill get it moved to OT :)

Forza Motorsport > GT4.... Live for the win.

-Mike

Dave.....I'm in!

I've printed out the specs and will load the car up tonight.

I'll be sure to get Jonathan in on it too. (he owned all at the WBM GT4 setup....undefeated with everyone on every track he did!)

jack

I might join this as well...

Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT

Ot???

When you have people like Gary getting interested, it does kind of make you wonder which forum "virtual" motorsports really belong to.

I'd be down for this. I haven't played GT4 since Forza came out, though.

Forza 2 with Force feedback FTW!

Too bad I dont have a PS, I would join in. Are you racing head to head or just posting times? I might know where I can find a PS2.

What we should really do is get GT4 working with Xlink and race head to head over the internet!

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=65171&highlight=Xlink

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

Head -to Head is the only way to race.

Forza 2 with Force feedback FTW!

Too bad I dont have a PS, I would join in. Are you racing head to head or just posting times? I might know where I can find a PS2.
too bad neither of which are going to be out till next year. I am not buying a 360 until Forza 2 comes out.

Head -to Head is the only way to race.
I'm usually alot more aggressive when playing Forza online

I'll give it a shot!


I need to hook up my PS2... and get my girlfriend's permission. :p

-Matt

Gary, I was wondering if you could give me the rundown on your car, so we can maybe do an STI race as well at some point.






As for the spec focus, just figure out the conversion to KG in that spring rate range.
I havent been able to nail down what teh allowable rates are, but those I read (the ones above) seem likely to be in the range

IIRC it was in the 8.5k f 10.2k rear or something like that. The car is nice too, rotates nicely off throttle, maybe a bit too much, but I have never driven one set up like that, so I cant say.

Last update i saw said this holiday shopping season for a release on F2 but we all know how that goes.

I was told november for forza and october for GT5

Or it could have been the other way around. Who cares, its not like either has a prayer in hell of coming out anywhere near then :lol:

SVT Focus...what am I missing here? I only have the RS and the ST170 in the lineup....

And are'nt the spring rates backwards in GT4?

No more PS2 for me...still have the game though :( .


I loved getting destroyed in Gary's "Miata at Sears Point" challenges :lol: .



- Andrew

SVT Focus...what am I missing here? I only have the RS and the ST170 in the lineup....

And are'nt the spring rates backwards in GT4?
I am assuming he means the ST170, judging by the times I put down just testing the car out.

I'm down for this challenge. :D

I say we do Miatas instead of Focuses though. Same specs as above; I personally would prefer Tsukuba for maybe 5-8 laps or so. My 2 cents

I say if it gets changed, we use a Subaru. I can't remember what Scooby's are on GT4 though, so thats where my suggestion stops.

What we should really do is get GT4 working with Xlink and race head to head over the internet!

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=65171&highlight=Xlink

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

I don't know what your experiences with XLink are, but mine weren't all that great. I haven't had time to try it out more than a few times, but the few races I've managed have been VERY laggy.

At first, I tried racing with some guys in Europe as that is all that was available at the time I started. Later in the day, I managed to do a one-on-one with someone across the country (read: not much better than East Coast to Europe) but it was so laggy that we ended up having a drift battle instead.

I was going to try again with someone more local to me (NYC/NNJ area), but I ran out of free time. So I would be up to trying this out again if we can arrange a time for it.

I cannot freaking wait until PS3 comes out and Vision Gran Turismo is available w/online play.

This kind of challenge would be so easy as a heads up race.

I was told november for forza and october for GT5

Or it could have been the other way around. Who cares, its not like either has a prayer in hell of coming out anywhere near then :lol:

Precisely. GT4 took almost five years to develop. It only came out about two years ago, and GT5 is supposed to be better (read: more dev time. Did you know it took 3D modelers up to one month to construct the more detailed cars for GT4?). So realistically, we're looking at another three years before we see another ground-up GT game.

They had GTHD (Vision Gran Turismo) on display at E3, and I got to play it. Impressions: improved physics (marginally), same retard computer drivers, nice to have more cars on the track (but still only 12), still no crash physics, still no cars flipping, same old graphics (which actually look worse in HD, because the increased resolution allows you to see every little imperfection in the car models and track models, which are direct ports from GT4 so far).

The game only claims to be 20% through the development process, so there is lots of time for improvement... and as we have all mentioned before, if GT4 came out two years ago and GTV is only 20% through production, the next GT game is likely 5~8 years away?!

Unless they're hiding something from us... either way, it's a "who cares?" scenario, because I can't afford a $660 PS3 + $80 GTV + $?? controller + $?? memory card JUST TO START!

I haven't really played much GT4 since I got a WRX anyway. ;) Plenty of real driving to be done out there.

I'm down for this challenge. :D

I say we do Miatas instead of Focuses though. Same specs as above; I personally would prefer Tsukuba for maybe 5-8 laps or so. My 2 cents

I am down for a spec miata challenge as well. Lets run some spec focuses first :)

Im down for this.... Need to get some practice in :devil:

are we allowed to play with tow and bound/rebound?

are we allowed to play with tow and bound/rebound?

The bound/rebound settings were pre-determined in the spec miata gt4 series I saw, but I dont think they should be, after all, in the real race, you can adjust your own, so as far as I am concerned there is no reason not to allow it.

And yes, toe is user adjustable

I was looking at the Spec Focus rules that NASA uses. They only use an inverted strut. Says nothing about adjustment. Also, springs are limited to 4 different kinds:
SVT (129 F, 157 R)
Ford Racing Dynamic Springs (111-161 F, 100-280 R)
Eibach Pro Kit
Eibach Sportline
It didn't give a spring rate for the Eibach's



Here is the link to the rules, if thats what you want to follow (seems like you are)
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Spec-Focus.pdf

1:40.987 at Laguna Seca. I think I can get a bit a faster

I'm down for this. I will try to pull out the wheel tonight, it's been a while.

In future, we should come out with spec lists for real subie race cars. I can develop the lists for our WRX and the Legacy. Gary, you will have to put in some time coming up with one for the ESX STI.

Chris Lock

I'm down. I just need to get a car and set it up. I'll report back once thats done. :lol:

I just ran a 1:40.401, thats the best with that setup.

I cannot freaking wait until PS3 comes out and Vision Gran Turismo is available w/online play.

This kind of challenge would be so easy as a heads up race.

No doubt, but I'm still getting over the annouced price of the PS3. :eek:

I just ran a 1:40.401, thats the best with that setup.

Bold words... :)

Chris Lock

I just ran a 1:40.401, thats the best with that setup.

I'm gonna beat that time so badly when I get home tonight. ;) And with pics if anyone challenges!

Or else I'll lose.

Best of session (four laps): 1:35.222

Boom shackalacka.

What are you guys using for the front spring rate? The RC suspension doesn't let you go as low as the spring rates given by the NASA rules for the front.

What are you guys using for the front spring rate? The RC suspension doesn't let you go as low as the spring rates given by the NASA rules for the front.
sure they do. Front works out to 7.3 and rear is 12.7. At least thats with my math

Best of session (four laps): 1:35.222

Boom shackalacka.
are you using a wheel?

sure they do. Front works out to 7.3 and rear is 12.7. At least thats with my math

Going by this particular spring:

Ford Racing Dynamic Springs (111-161 F, 100-280 R)

The upper limit is about 2.9 kg/mm Front and 5.0 kg/mm Rear.

Going by this particular spring:

Ford Racing Dynamic Springs (111-161 F, 100-280 R)

The upper limit is about 2.9 kg/mm Front and 5.0 kg/mm Rear.
just curious, cause I suck at math, how did you get the #'s?

just curious, cause I suck at math, how did you get the #'s?

The Ford spring rates, most reasonably, are in lbs/inch.

There are roughly 2.2 lbs in 1 kg.
There are 25.4 mm in 1 inch.

I'll spare you the work of converting the units - the number to use for conversion ends up being 2.2 * 25.4 = 55.88.

To get kg/mm from lbs/inch, divide by 55.88.
To get lbs/inch from kg/mm, multiply by 55.88.

ahh, I was just converting the lbs into kg. didn't even think of the inch/mm part of it.

I couldn't find the SVT, so I modded the RS Focus to the same spec. Same car?

Anyway, I got a 1:34.876 after about 8 of 10 laps. That was when my wife bucked me off for american idol.

Chris Lock

I was looking at the Spec Focus rules that NASA uses. They only use an inverted strut. Says nothing about adjustment. Also, springs are limited to 4 different kinds:
SVT (129 F, 157 R)
Ford Racing Dynamic Springs (111-161 F, 100-280 R)
Eibach Pro Kit
Eibach Sportline
It didn't give a spring rate for the Eibach's



Here is the link to the rules, if thats what you want to follow (seems like you are)
http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Spec-Focus.pdf

Thats what I saw as well, but then I read a few places with spec focus guys talking about rates much higher...
Which is why I am confused on what is actually the rule.

updated the first post with the new rates...

I cant get below a 1:40.....My best was a mid 1:41.something...

I couldn't find the SVT, so I modded the RS Focus to the same spec. Same car?

Anyway, I got a 1:34.876 after about 8 of 10 laps. That was when my wife bucked me off for american idol.

Chris Lock

No the RS is more powerful

The SVT is the other one, the 170hp focus. I forget what the model name is, but its the only other focus in the list.

No the RS is more powerful

The SVT is the other one, the 170hp focus. I forget what the model name is, but its the only other focus in the list.

The ST170 is the one to use.

The RS is turbocharged, and section 11.12 of the NASA rules prohibits forced induction.

I got down to 1:39.661 with the settings from the first post, except for the front spring rate. I put that as low as the RC suspension would allow, but it's still above the Ford Racing Dynamic Springs range. I think 1:38's should be possible.

So is there a final decision on vehicle choice and mod list? I'm in the middle of playing another game, but I'd love to see what I can do in GT4 again.

No the RS is more powerful

The SVT is the other one, the 170hp focus. I forget what the model name is, but its the only other focus in the list.

That's what I thought, I'll get back to ya :).

Chris Lock

2600lbs min- which means SVT focus, do stage 1 lightening, then add 15kg ballast
RC suspension,
rates in the 2.9k front 5.0K rear max are the rule.
22m F sway, so leave it as is with the RC suspension
25mm r sway, bump RC sway up 1 notch
User adjustable ride height
user asjustable camber


stage 1 exh
no engine mods otherwise

any clutch, must leave flywheel stock

1.5 LSD (still researching this, quaiffe is allowed, need to find out more about the quaiffe)

roll cage

R medium tires

no brake changes allowed, as the upgrade increases rotor size.

No driving aids whatsoever


So far the one I set up has managed a 1:42.344 at laguna seca, which is about a sec faster than my spec miata car. But of course this is with my driving that isnt that great.


As far as driving setups go

People using dual shock will add between 1.5 and 2 sec to their times (opinions on this?)
The DF Pro wheel will be set to
active steering off
gt force/driving force- simulation
Power assist- off


I figure we will pick a track, then pick a certain number of laps, and take the best single lap time from that session.
Then post results here from each race, assign points to each race and top 5 places, and keep track of total points for the "season" in this or another thread. Not sure how many races and what tracks, but we can determine that if we get enough interest.




So right now, its Laguna seca.

Looks like a lot of people have done it now, and it looks like our leader right now is
zaarin with a 1:35.222

I say we stay with Focus's for another track or so, and we do Tsukubu next.
Then since a few have asked, its spec miatas for a couple tracks, then some sort of Subaru class. We should have Gary determine the mod list for that one :) All I will say on it, is that In my opinion, it should be a minimal, if any, power mods class.

lowest you can go down in the front is 4.1k

What about the next lower suspension??? Ill try that and see what I can get for rates and adjustability

I have GT4 and yes, I love the game as much as the next simracer. But as many have said, there's nothing like head-to-head. Anyone here in this thread down for some Live Forza? Maybe some Spec Miatas or Subarus for that matter...

I would. I prefer Forza to GT4. But I am unemployed, so I can do both.

1:39.184, lap 11

With the right car this time ;) .

http://www.gotoracing.com/images/SVTbest.jpg

Chris Lock

Bastard! 1:39.253

1:38's are definitely possible if you can nail all of the turns.

Care to share suspension setup info? I can't figure out a good way to evaluate camber in the game.

Chris, what did you use for the spring rates? And are you using a steering wheel or a controller?

I finally turned the game on last night, bought the car and set it up to spec.

Not really consistant yet but at 1:43:651. Plenty more to get from it.

What's the decision on springs? I didn't see that we're allowed to change the rates, so I left them alone. I also left camber alone.....anyone want to comment on better numbers?

jack

I have the logitec gt4 wheel.

For spring rates, I went as low in the front as it would allow(4.1K I think), and 5.0 in the back, trying to confrom to the rules as best I could. With the soft springs I increased the camber to -3.8/-1.8. Then toed it out a smidge. I also dropped the front of the car about 10mm.

I think I have another tenth in my theoretical best lap. Breaking into the 1:38s may be pushing it. If we don't move the challenge on, I'll try next week. Doing some REAL driving practice this weekend :)

Chris Lock

This is really becoming interesting...

I gave it a try last night for about 40 laps! and couldn't crack the 1'39...consistant low 1'39s and one 1'39.004 :)

115mm f/r suspension travel
6.5K f/12.5K r spring(are we allowed?, Am I cheating??)
1toe-out front/1toe-in rear
3.2 f/3.5 r camber
4 f/5r sways

I'm still wondering how 1'35s are possible?

I'm still wondering how 1'35s are possible?
Ditto... :confused:
1'41.730 was my best after 7 laps. I can see 1'39-1'40 easy but 1'35?
eh, either way I need to better my time....

I'm guessing people were using the Focus RS

I'm guessing people were using the Focus RS
I think I was getting around 1'36ish with the RS so I hope thats it... otherwise I really suck :p

Ditto... :confused:
1'41.730 was my best after 7 laps. I can see 1'39-1'40 easy but 1'35?
eh, either way I need to better my time....

I cracked a 1:40.like997 ONCE and I havent seen 1:40 since.

I'm guessing people were using the Focus RS
Yeah you are supposed to use the ST170 (or whatever it was called) focus, not the RS.

So... WHo is down for some "spec" type Subby racing???

What if we keep it interesting and use a Legacy wagon instead of an STI?
We can use whatever we all agree on (or majority rule)

Regardless, we need to figure out a list of allowable mods, whats mandatory, and what is user adjustable.

I propose
Either stock motor, or the first level of exh/intake mods
Stage 1 lightening
R3 tires (medium, I think r3 is the medium slick)
RC suspension, and we need to figure out either a mandatory range of spring rates (should be fairly narrow to keep it fair) Or a set rate that everyone will use.
Toe user adjustable, ride height user adjustable
What do you guys think about sway adjustments?
Clutch is free to change
WHich diff package level should we use?

Hopefully I can get some free time this weekend and I'm in. :)

Kind of On Topic, in GT4 and Forza, how much time is a steering wheel worth compared to using the controller?

I prefer a wheel and pedals to the controller but I think it falls to individual preference. On Forza some of the fastest times set are set with the controller, you can tell in the telemetry, the control input indicators are more irraditic with the controller than a wheel.

The Forza online feature is cool because when it saves your time for a particular race it uploads it to an online database. IF your time is in the top 100 it also uploads your cars settings and a video replay so other ppl can watch.

The wheel cut probably 3 to 5 seconds depending on the track from my lap times. I have the Madcats wheel. Though far from the best it works well enough for the $20 I had to shell out for it.

Forza 2 will add force feedback and wireless wheel capability to the xbox360. NO force feedback on the old xbox which is too bad.

yeah, I've been playing Forza alot lately. Been setting some times on the Leader board with a P1 car. I think I got a 60th out of close to 700, with controller.

Bah!... Best I can get so far is 1:43:851 on Forza

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/rallywgn/06PerryMeet.jpg

Tough part about Forza is that if you set a wheel wrong it gives you a time plenty on top of your actual time. No cutting corners too tight or it tacks on a 1.5 secs.

I think you have to have 3 or 4 wheels off to get the penalty.

^^ Nope just one or two will do if you off for more than a couple of feet. I dropped two driver side tires off on the sweeper that is turn 5 I think and got 1:56 secs tacked on to my time.