a classic to kick off the new forum...let the rumors begin!

Good choice. The STi version will come here. If they don't they are just throwing away profit. Subaru is not a stupid car company. It will come, I will make no predictions on when, however. Or, what state of tune for that matter. ;) We will get a version that is labled STi, guaranteed.

- Trent

whats an sti??????????????????
;)

I dont know if they'll even bother bringing it if the lancer evo doesn't come......I think the STis fate in the US is dependent upon the arrival of the lancer evo for sure, because as it is now, there is nothing that even competes with the WRX

My service manager said they will be out in the next model year....personally I don't think he knew what he was talking about even though he drove a WRX.... :rolleyes:

by the time it comes, it will either be way overpriced and fall into the "oh it has performance but other cars in its price range have more features/luxury/whatever other nonsense" category or we'll be paying more in insurance payments than car payments. no, not a very cheery day for me today. i'm sleepy.

raj
whorin' the new forum

The STI is a kick @$$ car. Check out some of the shots I have in my Album.

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Originally posted by In2Deep
The STI is a kick @$$ car. Check out some of the shots I have in my Album.

In2Deep's Albums (http://www.cartogra.com/home/viewownerdir.asp?owner_id=735521&owner=in2deep)

nice!

there are pics of it here too: (get your drool cups out before clicking) WRX STi Pics (http://downloads.nsis.co.uk/chrisb/sti/index.htm)

That's supposed to be my next ride when the GC8 is paid off.. Damnit.. They'd better bring it over, or I'm gonna' be really upset.. Who cares about whether Mitsusushi brings the EVO to the party? The STI is much cooler anyhow, especially compared to the EVO7. If Subaru was smart, they'd just do it, then it would pretty much force Mitsusushi to bring over the EVO.. I mean, they took the initiave to bring the WRX over, right? What difference does it make?!

a classic to kick off the new forum...let the rumors begin!

ROTFL

:lol: :lol: :lol:

motortrend said late 2003 as a 2004 model

Any words on a 2-door coupe model?

--
Richard
http://www.whitetyphoon.com/impreza/

no more 2 doors... Subaru will not produce them... that's what i've heard...

and the STi will likely be a near $40K car if it does come here in it's true form... insurance??? dont even ask!!!

j.
www.subiegal.com

Unless it comes here in such limited quantity and with more and exclusive features...(yeah right) then I really doubt that. 16k is too great a difference in the price to warrant the additions to a standard wrx to STI spec.

I say 30k. give or take 2k

as long as they don't bring over the sti wagon, then i'll always be content with my plain ol'wrx wagon... :)

My prediction is 2003 as a 2004, 1500 units production and 27-35K base, but probably under 30K (29,995).

JJ
www.imprezawrxsti.com
All STi, All The Time

I agree with SubieGal. The price difference is pretty dramatic in the UK where it is/has been offered. Price difference for the EVO is even MORE dramatic. If the STi does ever make it here in full JDM/UK spec, you won't see change from a $40,000 bill. And it will be very low production numbers for the US - 1000 or less per year, in part because of the high price. WRXs seem to be stacking up now on dealer lots as well. Of course, the economy isn't helping, but...

buyer's market

JS

Julian-

Official price in the UK has yet to be set by SOA on the STi. When it was clear they were releasing the WRX here, the mags were reporting 30K+MSRP base for them in their post-embargo reviews and look what happened...

I had a discussion about this on my forum, and you can look at it and read up:

WRX Vs STi Price Difference (http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?topic=14&forum=1&8)

It's all there, I've done the research already. This would hint to a base price of around 30K...

JJ
www.imprezawrxsti.com
All STi, All The Time

According to Japanese automotive video - Motoring, this generation of STI has more stuff put in then the previous ones, and STI and non STI could consider as two totally different car.... but what the hack.. when SOA is stating that the STI suspension and exhaust are off road items, do we still need to predict whether the STI version is coming or not?

so say your base price is 30k... + tax and licensing and unless you are mega rich... finance charges...

35- 40k... that's what your nudging at... but only time will tell eh :D

and the insurance... ohhh my head!!! :)
u dont even wanna go there...
j.
www.subiegal.com

What is the big deal with the 2-door sedan like the 2-door RS? It's not really a coupe. It doesn't look much different than the sedan. I just have a real hard time understanding these people. How does a 2-door sedan sound so much more appealing than a 4-door sedan?

If you want a real coupe, you've got to start looking at cars where you just can't put 2 more doors.(Celica, RSX)

Any Australian or UK-based i-clubbers care to comment on the price difference between the WRX and STi in their country?

As for insurance, if the car does end up costing $30k-$40k, it might not be so bad. Afterall, the spate of WRX accidents - at least the majority of those I've seen reported on i-club - have been at the hands of young drivers, and I don't imagine many of them will be able to afford a car in that price range.

I guess you could ask an actuary (I think that's what they're called) and see what they think.

Just my $.02

Cheers!
David

My response to Zahnster:

Some people, like myself, prefer a 2-door model. I don't need the extra two doors or the extra weight. The 2-door RS is actually a coupe, and it looks different than the sedan unless you have poor eyesight. The 2-door RS is shorter, has two less doors, weighs less, and has a taller rear spoiler.

From Webster Dictionary: coupe - a closed, two-door car.

Believe me, a 2-door coupe sounds much more appealing than a 4-door sedan. Having a 2-door coupe is a big deal. A true sport car only has two doors. You will never going to see a 4-door NSX, Corvette, Ferrari, Viper, Cobra. I guess the WRX STi is not a true sport car.

If you want a real coupe, you've got to start looking at cars where you just can't put 2 more doors.(Celica, RSX)
Hey, I started to look at the 2.5RS back in '98 and '99 because it was only available in 2 doors. Guess what? Subaru added two more doors in MY00-02.

--
Richard
http://www.whitetyphoon.com/impreza/

Originally posted by Bradus
I guess you could ask an actuary (I think that's what they're called) and see what they think.

LOL ... I'm an actuary but unfortunately I don't deal with car insurance.

The insurance for the STi will be like the WRX, when the car first gets here the insurance premiums will be based off of statistics for the WRX with an adjustment for the higher price and power of the STi. As time goes on the insurance industry will gain more credible data on the STi and adjust premiums accordingly.

i say..... $32950 for STi, good luck.

Some people, like myself, prefer a 2-door model. I don't need the extra two doors or the extra weight. The 2-door RS is actually a coupe, and it looks different than the sedan unless you have poor eyesight. The 2-door RS is shorter, has two less doors, weighs less, and has a taller rear spoiler.

Please tell me the weight and height difference between the 2000 RS Sedan and Coupe... as 2000 was the only year it was offered in both body styles. Then come and edit your quote about 'extra weight and height'.

Wait, I'll tell you now and save you sime time. It was a whole WHOPPING 5lb difference. Also, it was the exact same height. The spoiler was a styling cue. They decided to put the shorter one on.

While you may prefer a 2-door, you aren't getting one. Sooo... :p

A true sport car only has two doors. You will never going to see a 4-door NSX, Corvette, Ferrari, Viper, Cobra. I guess the WRX STi is not a true sport car.

Hmm, the S4 and M3 don't count then? Ohh how about the M5? Hello! McFly! :) And how can you say the STi isn't a sports car? It's the fastest sedan in the world right now. (M5 held that claim in their advertising until a challenge in South Africa last year between an STi and the M5). Or better yet... the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VI and VII? Not sport cars? Please get your head out of your butt! :)

Edit: Oh yeah... I gave up on the 2 door/4 door battle... go ahead and argue that my 5 Doors is not better than 2. ;)

--kC

I'll put some rumors to rest..yes we will have the STi late 2002 early 2003. No price set yet. We will finally get a turbo for the Legacy and Forester and the prototype STX(Subaru Truck X)will be called the Brat with a 230HP 2.5L supercharged engine. He he...... it helps working for Subaru.

Originally posted by KC
Then come and edit your quote about 'extra weight and height'.
I never said anything about "height", and I stand corrected about the extra weight and rear spoiler. Five pounds is five pounds. There is no need for me to edit the 'extra weight and height'. I don't care if the rear spoiler is a styling cue or not. It's still a different spoiler. Do not change the subject.

Hmm, the S4 and M3 don't count then? Ohh how about the M5?
Note that I said "true" sport cars. The S4, M3, and M5 don't count. They are high performance sedans. The street versions of the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VI and VII can also be categorized as high performance sedans.

--
Richard

just outta curiousity richard, what exactly is your defination of a sports car?
im not lookin to cause trouble, just trying to find reasoning and bring another angle to the subject :)
'ave a nice day

One things for certain. It'll be easier to pick up a stock STi and be happy with it vs buying a WRX and spending a grip of cash on modifications. It costs well over $10,000 to get a WRX to look and act like an STi.

WRX $25,000 = approx $550 with no down for 5years + $10,000 in mods divided by 60 months = $717 per month total if it were factored into payments.

STi $32,000 = apprx $704 with no money down for 60 months. A lot less headache, but not as much fun and individuality goes into this route. :cool:


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In 6 to 7 months the new Forester will be out, followed by a turbo version 1 year later 215hp-227hp. The Legacy will get a face lift in Aug/Sept of 2002 as a 2003. It will have different head lamps, tail lamp, front and rear bumpers. The STI is coming over mid 2003 as a 2004. The Price will be $38k. The STX will be called the Brat, and should be out out in 12-16 months.

Subaru's plan is to have a new model or redesign about every 6 months for the next 5 years. I work for Subaru also...S.N.E. CT.

BTW: The number of STI's that come here will be based on a % of the total WRX sales. As a dealer the more WRX's you sell the better chance you'll have to an STI model. Last time I check I think my dealer was leading CT in WRX sales.

Jimmy

Originally posted by dasubaruguy
I'll put some rumors to rest..yes we will have the STi late 2002 early 2003. No price set yet.

Well, there you have it. :confused:

Originally posted by GregBolby
whats an sti??????????????????
;)

try taking a look at Subaru.co.jp
and you'll find out how or what the heck an STi is!
:p

It's sarcasm, me boy! ;)

ROFLMAO!!!

I never said anything about "height"

Ummm yes you did....

The 2-door RS is shorter, has two less doors, weighs less, and has a taller rear spoiler.

Oh wait, you mean shorter in length? Same thing, the two cars are the exact same length. Shorter could be taken two different ways. (Just like the definition of sports cars?) Gotta love the printed word. :) )

Anywayz/ I don't want this to become a screaming match. ;)
What you think are sports cars and what is commonly conceived as sports cars could be two different things. :)

--kC

OK, we have two people who work for Subaru here, saying two different things. How 'bout you guys have a private chit-chat, talk around the office a little, and get back to us with your best guesses on when it will be here.

As far as a price goes, can someone find out what the LHD STi costs, and do a straight dollar for dollar conversion? That's at least somewhat scientific. Hey, what's the conversion on a normal WRX? That is to say how much does a LHD cost in another country, but in American dollars? More, less? You could logically say that if we get charged 5% more, then we would most likely get charged 5% more for the STi.

I just can't remember where the LHD STi is going, and would have no way to know how much it costs there. Anyone...anyone?

Originally posted by Richard L.



Note that I said "true" sport cars. The S4, M3, and M5 don't count. They are high performance sedans. The street versions of the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VI and VII can also be categorized as high performance sedans.

--
Richard

What makes a car a sportscar??? If I follow you're line of thinking a ferrari F40 / F50 etc. are just high performance coupes, same goes for Lamborghini, Lotus, McLaren, Viper etc....

Another way of defining "sportcar" is a car here you start to sweat if driven properly.... But than again that might also happen in a SUV.

Nico van Steen
MY99 555turbo
MY00 EVO VI

Originally posted by Streetman


As far as a price goes, can someone find out what the LHD STi costs, and do a straight dollar for dollar conversion? That's at least somewhat scientific. Hey, what's the conversion on a normal WRX? That is to say how much does a LHD cost in another country, but in American dollars? More, less? You could logically say that if we get charged 5% more, then we would most likely get charged 5% more for the STi.

I just can't remember where the LHD STi is going, and would have no way to know how much it costs there. Anyone...anyone?

Prices at the Frankfurt autoshow:

Sti: Euro 36,000
Sti prodrive package: Euro 39,500
EVO VII: Euro 43,600

Nico van Steen

Are those LHD?

Some more fuel for the speculative fire that is the STi!

(Hey Glenn, when does www.new-sti.com go live??)

The WRX STi prices in Australia are posted on Subaru Australia's web site.

$55,130 AUS for the STi, this converts to $43,536 CDN and $27,811 US

The WRX in Australia is $41,490 AUS or $32,764 CDN and $20,930 US

This seems like a pretty good deal!

Currency plays a big role because the Australian dollar has been sinking faster than the Titanic and the US dollar has been very stong. The Canadian dollar has also been bad news.

I think as a result these prices look much better than they realistically should be. I would think that it also cost less to ship an Impreza from Japan to Australia than it does to USA or Canada, but that is just a guess.

The LHD vs RHD makes no difference for pricing, similar components just put together flipped!


A guess here? Maybe $31,995 US?

I think I will wait for an RSK B4!

The LHD vs RHD makes no difference for pricing, similar components just put together flipped!

Your very right indeed. I was thinking they would have to "convert" it first. Not real bright after not sleeping at all last night. In the words of the late, great Chris Farley, "I'm retarded."

As far as the pricing goes, currency does play a big difference. I suppose the most scientific thing to do would be to look at the Dollar vs the Yen at the time the price was first announced, as well as US dollars vs Austrailian dollars at that same date.

Let's say, for now, that they are unchanged. I would infer that tarrifs levied against foreign autos in the US account for the some of the difference, and a some is for more shipping.

In the states we pay 14% more for a WRX than Australia. That's ~$24K vs ~$21K. They pay $27,811 for the STi. If we payed the ~14% more, we'd pay $31,784. Hmmm...

OR we could say that the $3000 difference is static, and simply add it to the current US dollar amount for the STi, and come up with $30,811. Hmmmmmmmm.........

Or we could look at the STi costs approximatly 25% more than the WRX in Australia. The additional 25% here in the states would be $25,000 (WRX MSRP) times 1.25 (125%). That would be $31,250. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........................

I've just sliced the numbers three different ways, and come within $1000 each time. I'd have to say we're looking at an MSRP right at $32,000. Maybe $31,000, if we've gained much ground on the yen, and continue to. That's not just a guess. That's backed by some serious numbers. Scenario one and three being most likely. Anyone follow me here? Or did I go to the Al Gore school of mathematics?

all realistc numbers... good... but behind it, there is supply-to-demand chart showing that ALMOST nobody will get it for just as easy as MSRP. Most likely much higher than the MSRP. Remember when the ITR just came out several years ago as a LIMITED production?
and more, it really depends where you are getting one, like in San Francisco Bay Area where huge demand is facing very limited supply, the initial price for it during the first delivery will be around $35000 or maybe out-the-door if you are lucky enough. i believe it will be much more than you guys are thinking here like $31000/$32000. now, you know about economic, math is too simple for everyone here.:lol: :lol: :lol:

I understand econ just fine. I know I have seen 3 WRX's in my town, aside from when I had a meet for F1. Two of the 3 were the dealer's. I might see an RS once a month, if I'm lucky.

With demand like that, I'm getting one, at MSRP or BELOW. OK, maybe I'll get MSRP.

I keep on saying it is going to be around 30K give or take a few G's. Thanks for adding further evidence to the evidence I already have Streetman... :D

As far as demand goes- YES some dealers are going to gouge and charge ABOVE MSRP, but I really do believe you will be able to get one at MSRP or a little bit below. My advice: talk to your dealer NOW.... :)

JJ
www.imprezawrxsti.com
All STi, All The Time

Funniest report I've heard was about a dealer in PA. Their policy is, "We don't know when it's here, but we are currently taking deposits for when it arrives." Not all that funny, except for the deposit required is $25,000. HA! Nice try.

And imprezawrxsti.com, I think that figure is pretty right on from all the rumors. If you look back at the WRX rumor mill, it was widely believed that the WRX was going to be $25,000. Not too bad. Maybe we'll all get lucky, and the STi will show up better priced than expected. $30K anyone? I'll take two. Who wants to buy an STi off me for $35K?

On a serious note, I think SOA really watched this site and others and took our opinions seriously. Maybe we should get a poll for serious price/options suggestions. I'll get one up here before the weekend is over.

Simply, what would you honestly pay?
a) I would just buy a WRX
b) I'd pay $25-27
c) I'd pay $27-30
d) I'd pay $30-32
e) I'd pay more than $32

I'm not going higher than that. If their watching, I don't want them getting any wise ideas about charging more than WE SAY THEY CAN! They'd be stupid not to monitor this site quite a bit. A direct link to 10,000 Subaru freaks? There's less than 15,000 WRX's here right now. They're listening. Hey SOA, give us the WRX STi, ASAP!

Originally posted by Streetman



In the states we pay 14% more for a WRX than Australia. That's ~$24K vs ~$21K. They pay $27,811 for the STi. If we payed the ~14% more, we'd pay $31,784. Hmmm...

Or we could look at the STi costs approximatly 25% more than the WRX in Australia. The additional 25% here in the states would be $25,000 (WRX MSRP) times 1.25 (125%). That would be $31,250. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........................

I've just sliced the numbers three different ways, and come within $1000 each time. I'd have to say we're looking at an MSRP right at $32,000. Maybe $31,000, if we've gained much ground on the yen, and continue to. That's not just a guess. That's backed by some serious numbers. Scenario one and three being most likely. Anyone follow me here? Or did I go to the Al Gore school of mathematics?

I just wanted to point out that the way you rounded gave slightly low results and your first and third methods are actually the same thing. If you divide the price we pay for the WRX, $24520, by the price they pay $20930 you get 1.17 and then multiply that by their price for the STi, $27811, you get $32554. Naturally you get the same result if you divide the cost of the STi there by the cost of their WRX and multiply by the cost of our WRX because it is the same thing. So it seems if you want to use this method that the price would be between $32000 and $33000.

Sorry if this sounds picky, I guess that is what comes of hanging around the math department too long. :)

Form the looks of it here in Ontario, Canada. Wagon is by far most popular choice here. I believe the waiting list for the Wagon is longer than the sedan. I sure hope SOA/SOC make the decision to bring the STI wagon over. It will be a good run with the other Euro MFG high peformance wagon.

It may have a conversion that is around $30,000 but I am sure that it will be closer to $40,000. The 6 speed transmision that is in it cost close to $10,000 in it self. I am sure that most people that are able to aford it would trade in the WRX for the STI version. It may only have 60 more horse power but you will be getting a hell of a lot more for your money. I know that I will definately look into buying it when it comes over. :devil:

Originally posted by Streetman
Are those LHD?

Prices in my previous posts are for LHD!. Both the Sti and the EVO are due here around Januari 2002.

Nico

kdmd2b-

To quote myself...
Al Gore school of mathematics

I figured someone would catch on. I enjoy drawing conclusions, and then working backwards with fuzzy logic to make sure I'm right. Believe me, If I could have found a way to crunch the #'s into $29,995, the math would have reflected it.

I'll go on record right now, even with my fuzzy math, and predict $31,995 MSRP, here in late 2002, as most 2003 cars are. Final answer.

Facts? We don't need to stinkin's facts.

2002 JDM WRX STi was 28 grand...... SOA ain't about to screw up a good deal and start charging over 30 grand (or 40 grand lol) for a detuned STi..... and that's what I gotta say..... when? Hell I hope it's tommorow.... but I have no clue

Have they EVER sold the STi wagon outside Japan? I haven't seen it mentioned with the Australian or UK releases. So that would tend to say it's not going to happen.

Not to rehash the 2 door/4 door debate, but isn't it true that the coupe has more room in the front seats? If that was true, then it's not just a styling issue.

According to Motor Trend (who is notoriously wrong), and keeping mind I DO NOT WORK FOR SUBARU, they say SOA is planning on making a "new" SVX, which will basically be a 2 door WRX. Take this with a grain of salt...

This is getting confusing, If it comes I will have one, if it doesn't I will not. :eek:
MATT:D

This logic may be flawed, but comparing the prices in Australia and UK, and not taking into consideration comparable cars then the US WRX-STI will be around $32,500.

This is just based on price comparison:
UK WRX - WRX-STI = $7,515 USD
AUS WRX - WRX-STI = $10,537 USD

Averaging these numbers and adding the MSRP of the US WRX gives a US STI price of app. $33,525

STIs competition:
S4 MSRP $38,900 ~ $40k
M3 MSRP $45,900 ~ $50
S2000 MSRP $33,000
A4TQ MSRP $32,000
EVO ????
What else?

Seems like they could charge that much without any problems.

-anders

If Subaru plans on charging ~$40K for an STi it will be a huge mistake. The M3 and the S4 (mmmmmm S4 Avant, yummy!) are high performance LUXURY cars. Subaru will have a very tough time competing in that market. However, the reason that the WRX has been selling so well is that it is the best thing going for the price, not because it is the best thing going for any money. Having said that I would expect a price of $30K - $35K and think that they wouldn't have much trouble selling around 5K/yr. at that price.

- Trent

the STi will definietely be $38,000 and up.

Go here (http://accessory.subaru.co.jp/impreza/3d/index.html), you can build your own STi online from Japans Subaru site....When your done, look at the price at the bottom (yen and $$). The most hooked up one you can get is like $39,000

http://accessory.subaru.co.jp/impreza/catalog/image/i-202.jpg

his SOJ body kit looks like an EVO VI :eek: :eek:

i know people have claimed to have seen STi's in AZ and CO. i was wondering what headlights they had. because this morning i saw a blue WRX with STi badging and the gold 17 bbs rims. it looked exactly like an STi, except for the stock US spec WRX headlights instead of the projector beam units. this may have been a moddifyed WRX (i'm looking into it) but i don't know. grrr, i wish i could have gotten a better look :mad:

Originally posted by wrx182
the STi will definietely be $38,000 and up.

Go here (http://accessory.subaru.co.jp/impreza/3d/index.html), you can build your own STi online from Japans Subaru site....When your done, look at the price at the bottom (yen and $$). The most hooked up one you can get is like $39,000

That is the poorest form of reasoning I have seen so far.

Well GEEE.... if I go to www.subaru.com and pick OUR wrx... which every knows to be 23k. Then I add every single little feature.. then IT"S $36,340



For a WRX!!!! OMG!!!!http://www.masterclan.com/duh.bmp

I just took the Aussie prices for their WRX and the same US price for the WRX, put them to a proportion wheel, and then compared how the STi would fare. it looked like a US-spec Sti (all things being equal) would come in around $32K, give or take a little.

Bob

Okay I just spent the last 20 minutes reading this new forum. When is the STi version coming over to our shores? I think that Subaru is playing a bit of a waiting game in phases just to see how well they could sell over here and how much they could reasonably charge for one. First phase bring the WRX over monitor their sales. Second Phase, who else is game? Is the Lancer EVo coming? Who will compete with the STi? How much will Mistu be asking for it? Third phase bring the Damned thing over and quit teasing US!

As far as pricing goes... I think that they want to stay competitive in this niche and if they bring it over before any competition from (Mistsubishi or Nissan etc...) then they will be forced to guess how much they could expect to charge. Take for instance the STX, it's been in development for years, posted on theier webiste for at leat 2 years and then GM beats them to the punch with their version. Why? Maybe to see how the US market would react and release a competitive version.

My 2 cents on that topic. As far as dealer predictions go, I think that's all they are. If you go to 5 different dealers, you'll get five different answers about the STi. Trust me, I've done just that.

It's time to wait and save $$.

Sorry for the long winded post.

:eek:

umm, GM owns 20% of FHI (subaru). i wouldn't call it their own version.

What happened to the Evo VII post in this forum?

For those of you confused as to what a sports car is...Check it out. VERY Few production cars are actual sports cars BTW.

http://www.sportscargraphic.com/scg/whatsa/WhatsaSportsCar.htm



Spyder owner, and soon to be a WRX owner to (wifes car) :lol:

according to that definition, a 911 GT2 isn't a sportscar :rolleyes: open top my ass.

I guess you did not read the article, If ya had you would of realized that Porsche knows what a sports car is and what a "GT" car is. Hence they call it the "911 GT2" as you posted. :o

IMHO I can only think of 2 production cars that are actual sports cars sold in the US.

Catherham
Super Seven SCCA E-Production Racer
http://www.uscaterham.com/sccaspecs2.html

Lotus
ELISE MOTORSPORTS CARS
http://www.lotuscars.com/motorsports/motorsports.html

In the true meaning of a Sports Car I would not even consider my Spyder a true sports car. It may be closer to being a Sports car when compared to the WRX, but they are both much more related to "GT" cars. To many creature comforts. AC, Power windows, carpet, air bags... I have installed a roll bar, among other things and I do Hit the track as often as possible. How I use the car, and what it is capable of does not change what it is as a production car.

:D

IS this the "What's your opinion of a Sportscar" post? I remember somebody saying something about the STi a while back.

Well, IMNSHO a STi is most definetly a sportscar, so let's talk STi...

JJ
www.imprezawrxsti.com
All STi, All The Time

GT Car: A closed vehicle equipped to be comfortably driven long distances at high speed on public roads.

ah yes, the 911 GT series is all about this. that's why the GT3 (uh oh, there are those letters again) has no A/C, no sound-deading, and race seats. not to mention a super stiff suspension and rides so low its easy to bottom out. and forget about rough roads or weather. maybe to some this is the height of comfort and ready for a road trip, but i would consider this to be a sports car, but i guess i'm just not eletist enough.

anyway, i digress. i'll stay on topic from now on.

I would suspect that STI prices will be on the lower end of the quoted ranges in North America. However, I suspect that we will loose some of the trick bits, as was already the case with the WRX, e.g., aluminum control arms, brakes, wheels.

So I would expect Subaru 4-pots rather than Brembos and no LSD's front and rear. Also, I am dubious whether it will actually be called STI unless Subaru pays, I believe Peugeot, a lot of money for the STI moniker.

By the way, I have read in a european magazine article article that the LHD STI in Germany will be coming with the RA style wheel/switch to select bias to front and rear wheels. Anyone able to confirm this?

i can't imagine that it won't have at least a rear LSD, just like the WRX and MY00-01 RS. there's just no way an STi won't have something a WRX does. front one, you may be right about.

Subaru Impreza WRX SPT :eek:

I should have been more specific. It is my understanding that the STI diffs are different from the WRX, i.e. they are sure-tracs. Correct me if I am wrong.

I would be surprised if we see that kind of spec in North America but I may be wrong and I hope that I am.

ahh, i see what you are saying, and you are probably right. although, i'm not certain. they may really need the diffs with th power output. we'll see.

Oo! Oo!

I heard it'll be here next year, at around $30k, but possibly de-tuned and not really worthwhile. Better to just take a stock WRX and throw a few bucks at it.

Originally posted by Alleggerita

By the way, I have read in a european magazine article article that the LHD STI in Germany will be coming with the RA style wheel/switch to select bias to front and rear wheels. Anyone able to confirm this?

Not what I heard... If I have understood correctly only the RA will have this type of feature, because it lacks ABS.

If the Sti comes in the US with the 4 pots, don't be all that happy. It's better then the 2 pot, but any serious drivers is changing to AP or tarox here. For normal street these brakes work ok, as long as you get rid of the standard pads and upgrade to f.i. Pagid Blue RS4.2.

Nico

Originally posted by rogue
Oo! Oo!

I heard it'll be here next year, at around $30k, but possibly de-tuned and not really worthwhile. Better to just take a stock WRX and throw a few bucks at it.

If it has the six speed, the big brakes, some more power, better suspension, better interior then it will be worth the extra money.

IMNSHO, the most important feature on the STi is:

(drum roll please) :)

The Six Speed tranny. Just ask any RS-T :) or WRX owner and they will tell you why.

Pure and simple- if we get that, a little extra power, the big brakes, maybe a better interior, and the front LSD, I doubt that many will be calling it a rip-off at around 30K.

We may not get the full 280, or even those great seats- but it will still be worth it if we get the 6-Speed..

JJ
www.imprezawrxsti.com
All STi, All The Time

Originally posted by rogue
Oo! Oo!

I heard it'll be here next year, at around $30k, but possibly de-tuned and not really worthwhile. Better to just take a stock WRX and throw a few bucks at it.

Or a 2002 2.5RS increased to 2.7 with a huge front mount intercooler and twin turbo's! :devil: 500+hp :D Starting out with an $18,000 car and sinking $12,000 into it will destroy anything from the factory that costs $30k

i think that would cost more than $12k in mods, and that would be just engine stuff. not to mention reliablity. a funny car would smoke me in a 1/4 mile, but i might beat it in a 10 mile race b/c by 1/2 mile it would be broken. it could coast aways starting at 300+ mph though :)

btw, the LHD euro model has 260bhp. this is probably a similar figure as to the US spec (if applicable)

STi will be kicking ass since it's 0-60 and 1/4 mile time will be very very attractive... :cool:

STi will be kicking ass since it's 0-60 and 1/4 mile time will be very very attractive...

espeacially in the dirt :D
lets see a viper do 5sec 0-60 in gravel :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol:

- Steve

You can always ask a dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sports+car) what a "sports car" is.

As far as the STi goes... I'm wagering that SOA will find a way to skim some of the "unnecessary features" off of it and sell it for $29.5k. Personally I'd pay the extra $1500 to have whatever they're going to be skimping on (like the heated seats/mirrors for US WRXs, 4-pot brakes, 17" wheels, spoiler standard like in England, etc)... but I'd buy the STi regardless. As long as it gets the 6-speed! Of course, a couple of extra ponies won't hurt either :D

--jeff (This HP/torque addiction doesn't ever end, does it? :eek: )

I know this has been reported elsewhere, so isn't news per se, but a birdie just told me:

Quantity: 700
Deliveries start: August 2003

Of course, this could be mis-information.
No word on price/specs.

Glenn

As far as dealerships go, its been my experience that the info they get/give varies by manufacturer. When I was tight with the VW/Audi guys here in So. Cal. they didn't know jack until the cars were actually on the lot. In fact, I was usually able to find stuff out before them regarding future models. Honda enthusiasts are still awaiting news about the possibility of the 3 door Civic Si, while Focus aficionados have known for months that a bumped up RS version is in the works. On that note, the Subaru dealership here has been spot-on with their information so far. They told me the WRX was coming way back, they were right about the STX, and they confirmed with me that the STi will be coming in 2003. They don't know its price, hp, or whether it will be offered in a wagon or not, but they said that it's coming. Does anyone know if they brought the wagon STi over to the UK?

Wow, STi wagon.... it will be the hottest car ever (affordable to most of ppl) ;)

Only as a grey import. Never officially.

Nico

i thought it was offered in the UK, just not the rest of europe.

Glenn:

That little "birdy" is almost a year later than the birdies that other people have heard. What's the deal? imprezawrxsti.com seems to think more like October 2002. Makes sense as far as competing with the EVO anyway.

Is your info from Joe Spitz, regional rep, or ?? I've been hearing more late 2002. Ugh! Guess that's why you didn't wait, huh?

Dan

We have so many little birdies running around, I don't even know which to believe. :D

But yes, I do think October 2002, maybe May-June 2003 at the latest. I think we are getting close, though, when it seems we have some test STi's running around. :) If Mitsubishi releases Lancer EVO VII (VIII maybe) then we will really know. I think whoever shoots first, the other will shoot right back in VERY quick order.

SOA said that depending on sales they might bring the STi over here last January- Sales have spoken...

JJ
www.imprezawrxsti.com
All STi, All The Time

Just to clear up the whole "Has there been an STi wagon outside of Japan? question, please check the following threads. It's pretty much what I wish I had.:(


No pics, but good reading!;)
http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1735&highlight=STi

If you want to see pics, look here:
http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=41102&highlight=STi

I have a feeling I am not the only one that _really_ wants a STI wagon... (hello SOA, are you listening?) I don't think I'll buy one unless it's a wagon...
AO

I have a feeling I am not the only one that _really_ wants a STI wagon... (hello SOA, are you listening?) I don't think I'll buy one unless it's a wagon...

And it has fender flares! :D

does anyone have a date when the sti is gonna be released here????

November 11th, 2002. The boat will be here at 2:51 PM.

With headwind or tailwind??:lol: ;)

Nico

I'm got a boat and plenty of scuba gear... anyone up for some covert ops? hehe :D

straight up yo:lol: I'd love to snag some of that STI!

Guys and Gals:

I really don't think we will see an STi wagon here. I just don't think it is going to happen. SOA's attitude with the wagon seems to be more or less not as performance oriented as the sedan.

I'm not saying that I don't like wagons, for I would like a STi wagon also. Talk about sleeeeeperrr...

American "sports car" owner: What the hell was that??

American "sports car" owners sig other: it was a STATION WAGON.. :devil:

JJ
www.imprezawrxsti.com
All STi, All The Time

if the STi is coming, i think the wagon will be introduced as well, there is a market there for wagon now in US.
moreover, if the B4 is coming, i think some of us will go for it (more excited about) rather than the STi...