http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2639467&page=1

250hp 3.2L
2 door
DSG



Sucks. I'll be keeping my MKIV, I guess...

gotta wait for the 3.6L...
so no manual for it??? stupid VW!!!

why does everyone hate DSG?? Its faster and can do auto.. If they made an SMG or DSG (even better) I would buy it in a heartbeat. having spent some time in a BMW SMG, I cant find a single thing not to like about them.

i'll keep my wrx until i can get a new paddle shifted car that isn't made by the VAG.

why does everyone hate DSG?? Its faster and can do auto.. If they made an SMG or DSG (even better) I would buy it in a heartbeat. having spent some time in a BMW SMG, I cant find a single thing not to like about them.


I wonder the same thing.... DSG is even a lot better than SMG (at least the version in the E46 M3s, I haven't driven a new version in the M5/6) Especially if you're going to be using the car for every day driver and have to deal with traffic, you can't beat it.

Try it before you knock it. I test drove an A3 and fell in love with it. When you test drive it make sure it's in sport mode. It keeps the revs high.

That V6 and DSG is an amazing combination. I never thought I'd consider auto but after trying DSG I really dug it. Great comprimise for a daily driver. It's like playing a video game.

-Alex

Not many ppl are knocking the DSG tranny, for instance, on this page only 1 person is knocking on it because lack of experience/knowledge about the dual clutch system DSG has.

Not many ppl are knocking the DSG tranny, for instance, on this page only 1 person is knocking on it because lack of experience/knowledge about the dual clutch system DSG has.

Yeah, the only people who knock it are people who have never driven one, with a few exceptions.

I wont debate the performance benefits of the DSG but having driven one I dont care for them. They seem to be better then an automatic and manual but it just doesnt give me the drivers feel.

I didnt buy a manual because it was faster then an automatic. I bought because I enjoy the mechanics of shifting.

I think on the audi it takes .02 seconds to manually shift gears using the DSG and it doesnt interupt power delivery. Very impressive, still not for me.

The current DSG can't handle that much torque and that is the problem that most people have with it. That's part of the reason why VW has to stay with the 3.2l engine.

Not many ppl are knocking the DSG tranny, for instance, on this page only 1 person is knocking on it because lack of experience/knowledge about the dual clutch system DSG has.

check out that vortex thread. all of em have their panties in a bunch about the DSG only. The R32 engine is so expensive/hard to mod anyway who cares about how much power the DSG can handle :lol:

Not many ppl are knocking the DSG tranny, for instance, on this page only 1 person is knocking on it because lack of experience/knowledge about the dual clutch system DSG has.
:rolleyes: I said that because I know there ppl out there who like to shift for themselves and would have been better for VW to put out the DSG and 6 speed as tranny option.
Yea DSG = great but just the experience of shifting yourself... I dunno just personal preference for some ppl.

Try it before you knock it. I test drove an A3 and fell in love with it. When you test drive it make sure it's in sport mode. It keeps the revs high.

-Alex

I have. I can't stand it.

Based on past experience with VW and Audi's relibility, I hope they give you one heck of a warranty on that DSG. If they cant get a coil pack or window regulator right why would I trust them with a DSG thinga ma bob.

because they didnt make them?

With regards to torque, well, the Veyron uses a DSG gearbox....but that's a whole 'nother story.

One day, manual clackety-clack gearboxes will cease winning races, sequential or not - synchromesh or not. Those who want to remain competitive will simply have to change up to the then-generation DSG or CVT or what-have-you. IMO the current gen DSG box is a step in that direction. That said, until these systems are more cost-effective and easier to maintain than the traditional 3 pedals and a stick, the plain-jane manual will always have a market.

If Subaru offered DSG, I'll buy it in a heart beat. Though not the same as DSG, driving the SMG E46 was a blast.

:rolleyes: I said that because I know there ppl out there who like to shift for themselves and would have been better for VW to put out the DSG and 6 speed as tranny option.
Yea DSG = great but just the experience of shifting yourself... I dunno just personal preference for some ppl.With VW, the shifting is the last place I'd worry about losing driving feel. If people want to spend $33k on an AWD car with some guts and driving feel, they can buy an STI or EVO. If they want to surround themselves with a cush interior, quiet engine, lots of gizmos, trendy looking body with trendy dash lighting, operated by a trendy key, they can buy the R32.
because they didnt make them?
The DSG was invented by VAG.

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With VW, the shifting is the last place I'd worry about losing driving feel. If people want to spend $33k on an AWD car with some guts and driving feel, they can buy an STI or EVO. If they want to surround themselves with a cush interior, quiet engine, lots of gizmos, trendy looking body with trendy dash lighting, operated by a trendy key, they can buy the R32.

The DSG was invented by VAG.

IBbecauseifitleakstotheVC,youcouldendupanMIA,andth enwe'dallbeputonKP

Actually the DSG was developed by Borg Warner and licensed to VAG. Most are built in Japan.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with charging what they do for the car. You hit the nail on the head: some people would prefer to sacrifice some "balls-to-the-wall" performance for a high class interior and closer attention to detail.

Also, regarding the coilpack issue, that also affected many toyota's and I believe Nissan. The window regulator problem was definately uncalled for, they neglected that issue for years.

:confused: If Subaru offered DSG, I'll buy it in a heart beat. Though not the same as DSG, driving the SMG E46 was a blast.

So far, we've seen paddleshifters on the upcoming Legacy, but they're connected to a 5EAT and not a manual. Maybe the next generation... :confused:

:rolleyes: I said that because I know there ppl out there who like to shift for themselves and would have been better for VW to put out the DSG and 6 speed as tranny option.
Yea DSG = great but just the experience of shifting yourself... I dunno just personal preference for some ppl.
werd, I dont hate the dsg...just not my cup of tea.

I dont believe the DSG technology is exclusive to VAG though. I think Borg is selling it to anyone, hence the rumors of the new evo using it.

With VW, the shifting is the last place I'd worry about losing driving feel. If people want to spend $33k on an AWD car with some guts and driving feel, they can buy an STI or EVO. If they want to surround themselves with a cush interior, quiet engine, lots of gizmos, trendy looking body with trendy dash lighting, operated by a trendy key, they can buy the R32.

Oh no! Some people don't want to drive around in a loud, harsh, flashy "rally" car, but still want AWD, decent performance, good looks, and some luxury... what fools!

I dont believe the DSG technology is exclusive to VAG though. I think Borg is selling it to anyone, hence the rumors of the new evo using it.

I don't know about this being 100% true. Porsche, I know, is planning on using it, but has had delays with working out the bugs. My guess is they are still trying to smooth it out.

Overall though, I think some manufacturers are limited by the fact that they've sunk a lot of money into their existing setups.. such as SMGIII etc. Not to mention that DSG is currently in use in lower torque producing cars.. or one mega torque monster who's tranny weights a lot all by itself.. not counting the rest of the car.

I believe part of the problem is DSG is not ready for higher torque production just yet. If I read correctly, the 2.0T ECU has a torque cap for DSG equipped cars.

I believe part of the problem is DSG is not ready for higher torque production just yet.

Correct. I think it can handle right about 300 or so.

Actually the DSG was developed by Borg Warner and licensed to VAG. Most are built in Japan.
In my google search "DSG invented by" I kept coming up with 'VAG' or 'Audi'. Not until I added 'Borg Warner' to the search did the name appear. I blame the press :lol:


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Oh no! Some people don't want to drive around in a loud, harsh, flashy "rally" car, but still want AWD, decent performance, good looks, and some luxury... what fools!
I didn't say there was anything wrong with that. ;)

well, It could very well be that BW produces the tranny based on a design by VW/Audi... hence the reason why other manufacturers don't have it.

doesn't the bugatti veyron use the DSG? I figured they solved the torque holding problem for all DSG's

doesn't the bugatti veyron use the DSG? I figured they solved the torque holding problem for all DSG's

The Veryron and Gallardo's gearbox differs in some way but, I'm unsure of the specifics

uhhh Veyron uses 7 speed DSG and the gallardo uses a 6 speed SMG.
no relations at all FOOL!! :lol: :p

why does everyone hate DSG?? Its faster and can do auto.. If they made an SMG or DSG (even better) I would buy it in a heartbeat. having spent some time in a BMW SMG, I cant find a single thing not to like about them.

Because some people will always find that rowing their own gears is more involving and just plain fun.
like me

uhhh Veyron uses 7 speed DSG and the gallardo uses a 6 speed SMG.
no relations at all FOOL!! :lol: :p

sorry, not sure what I was thinking. Kinda odd that VAG would chose to use an smg product.

^ lol don't apologize I was just kiddin!! :lol: