Just put in some 8000K HID's made by Kingwood into my 06 WRX. The cutoff is really good with the stock projectors.

http://flagpull.com/free/hid1.jpg
http://flagpull.com/free/hid2.jpg
http://flagpull.com/free/hid3.jpg

That also looks like a lot of glare above the cutoff :huh:

*Edit*

Will post after fixing glare problems.

you guys must not know what a nice cutoff looks like...here you go ladies

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/wrxzboost/cutoff.jpg

edit: notice how there isn't any light above the cutoff!

That's a nice cut off, but it's still pretty crisp wit the halogen projectors. I'll take a picture against my garage door too and post it up. BTW, what kind of projectors you got? what year's your car?

i got this pic from hidplanet.com. (not my car) they are retrofitted tsx projectors. i have an 05 wrx and will be done this week with my tsx retro, and i'll definetley post up pics. but both of those HID kits on the stock 06 projectors don't produce a sharp cutoff. the 1st pic almost looks as bad as some HID kits in reflector headlights.

here are gqchynaboy's retro...for comparison

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=938552&highlight=tsx

cameras deal with light in different ways than eyes do.

judging from the pictures, those rebased H7 HIDs are godawful and i'd like to punch you on behalf of everyone who has to look at you at night.

however, the best way to do this would be to line up against some stanley projectors with a real D2S car that has OEM HIDs and take a picture of a wall that they are both shining on, maybe even a corner so that they don't contamidate eachother's walls. haha.

but yeah... judging from your pictures that's absolutely atrocious.

you guys must not know what a nice cutoff looks like...here you go ladies

Hehe, are you gonna whip it out or something? "Here's my helmet" ;)

I have 6000K McCulloch HID's on the 06 halogen projectors. I don't know what in gods name those pics are up there but my cutoff is quite satisfactory. I've even had a friend drive the car towards me at night after I installed them.

Yes -- halogen projectors do not fully eliminate all light escaping above the cutoff beam but from my conclusions drawn after this install they cutoff is extremely defined without those flower patterns pictured above.

I just installed a pair of 6000k ones, there's almost no glare in my 06 wrx. The cutoff IS really nice hehe. I love it :). This how mine turned out:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/jiggles55/DSC00591.jpg

Looks like there's noticeable glare to me...

I could really care less if there is glare... its good enough for me.

<----hopes you get ticket now

<----hopes you get ticket now

yea and your any better with stg 2 with illegal emissions... dont throw rocks when you live in a glass house.

I don't understand why people install 8000k or even 6000k bulbs. The light output from 4300k bulbs is much much better. Is it the blue color you guys like? 8000k in the rain can't be good.

Rick B.

Many individuals prefer to have color (bling) over functionality. You're always gonna have the debate between people who go with HID kits higher than 4300K and the people who are stubborn about having better light output.

What some don't realize is the HIDs that they saw in the first place was from projector units, which create the colorshift effect (purplish and bluish hues). If you have projector units, you will have even more color when straying from the OEM HID temp of 4300K. On one hand, I agree with if that's what you're happy with, then cool. Some may not need the "better lighting," but when the glare issues are apparent, it really does cause for some blinding issues for oncoming traffic - especially on two-laned roads.

I could really care less if there is glare... its good enough for me.
Wow!!

No offense, but that is a horribly ignorant statement. As long as you are happy I guess it's fine to blind people making them crash and die. :rolleyes:

You can't really make a direct relationship between glaring HID's and a stage 2 car. Besides the fact that some stage 2 cars pass emissions, they are not anywhere near the same. You are not directly effecting the people who come in contact with by driving a stage 2 car anymore than if your car was stock. Driving with blinding HID's is a whole different matter.

Wow!!

No offense, but that is a horribly ignorant statement. As long as you are happy I guess it's fine to blind people making them crash and die. :rolleyes:

You can't really make a direct relationship between glaring HID's and a stage 2 car. Besides the fact that some stage 2 cars pass emissions, they are not anywhere near the same. You are not directly effecting the people who come in contact with by driving a stage 2 car anymore than if your car was stock. Driving with blinding HID's is a whole different matter.

well im a horribly ignorant person then.... You people are hilarious. I'm sure my hids are gonna lead to tons of crashes. :rolleyes: I get blinded more often by people in large trucks with halogens then HID's. You don't see me complaining about getting hit with lights.

Yes I can draw a relationship between rebased hid's and stage 2, both are illegal.

well im a horribly ignorant person then.... You people are hilarious. I'm sure my hids are gonna lead to tons of crashes. :rolleyes: I get blinded more often by people in large trucks with halogens then HID's. You don't see me complaining about getting hit with lights.

Yes I can draw a relationship between rebased hid's and stage 2, both are illegal.
wow, ignorant and hipocritical.

you're the one getting ridiculed, you're the one who's ridiculous.

are your lights brighter? yes.

are they safer? no.

bottom line.

there is no "but you have no cats you bad baddie bad man!" that can save you from your own irresponsibility.

you put up pics, you claimed benevolence, you're wrong and you're getting heat for it. this has nothing to do with other people's illegal actions... it has everything to do with your glaring lights.

if you want this thread to go anywhere constructive, just let the criticism come. there's nothing that you can say that will disprove the glare evident in your pictures.

i don't know what it is about your hid kit, but your cutoff is obviously highly ineffective and you deserve to have fines until you put halogens back in your halogen projectors. that's the fact. you're not cooler for your HIDs, you're not safer, you're not better. you're stupid. stop defending yourself with fallacies.

:banana: http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~pdang/AA/Retard.jpg :banana:
wow, ignorant and hipocritical.

you're the one getting ridiculed, you're the one who's ridiculous.

are your lights brighter? yes.

are they safer? no.

bottom line.

there is no "but you have no cats you bad baddie bad man!" that can save you from your own irresponsibility.

you put up pics, you claimed benevolence, you're wrong and you're getting heat for it. this has nothing to do with other people's illegal actions... it has everything to do with your glaring lights.

if you want this thread to go anywhere constructive, just let the criticism come. there's nothing that you can say that will disprove the glare evident in your pictures.

i don't know what it is about your hid kit, but your cutoff is obviously highly ineffective and you deserve to have fines until you put halogens back in your halogen projectors. that's the fact. you're not cooler for your HIDs, you're not safer, you're not better. you're stupid. stop defending yourself with fallacies.
^^^Congrats on the New Award

you can get away with putting a HID kit in a haly projector, you just need to do it right. and if you get glare, fix it. dont run it that way. here is my prodrive ones with a phillips HID kit that i put a H7 base one. (this pic was before i fixed the angle of the lights)
http://www.camotoy.com/nasioc/300D/IMG_2969.JPG

Many individuals prefer to have color (bling) over functionality. You're always gonna have the debate between people who go with HID kits higher than 4300K and the people who are stubborn about having better light output.

What some don't realize is the HIDs that they saw in the first place was from projector units, which create the colorshift effect (purplish and bluish hues). If you have projector units, you will have even more color when straying from the OEM HID temp of 4300K. On one hand, I agree with if that's what you're happy with, then cool. Some may not need the "better lighting," but when the glare issues are apparent, it really does cause for some blinding issues for oncoming traffic - especially on two-laned roads.

Yeah with my philips 4300k kit the light is initially very blue but after the bulbs warm up (~30 sec) they shift to only slightly blue. No glare whatsoever and I've never been flashed by oncoming traffic.

Rick B.

That also looks like a lot of glare above the cutoff :huh:

Yep.

you can get away with putting a HID kit in a haly projector, you just need to do it right. and if you get glare, fix it. dont run it that way.

I agree. My stock Legacy halogen projectors had noticeable glare above the cutoff line when I first installed a McCulloch 4600K HID kit. After taking apart the lights, I noticed that there was a small recangle in the cutoff shield that would reflect light higher than the cutoff, most likely in an effort to help illuminate road signs with the stock halogen bulbs. I filled the holes in, and most of the glare was eliminated;

http://www.mcnproductions.com/lgt/exterior/hid1.jpg

-Mike-

Very nice looking cutoffs there, Mike :)

Actually, I wanted to get 5300k HID's initally. But when i went to the store to get my hid's, they didn't have them, so I bought 6000k's which i thought wouldn't lose too much lumens compared to 5300k's. The camera really emphasizes the glare a lot on the pictures. It seems like there's a lot of glare, and last night I checked to see if it was as serious as the picture makes it seem. My friend said it doesn't blind him when he's in the oncoming lane.

I'm very interested in "filling" the holes that Mike did with his Legacy if it reduces the glares. I'm on the forums to recieve criticism and learn from them, not to be offended by them. I would appreciate your help guys.

Very nice looking cutoffs there, Mike :)

Thanks. :p


I'm very interested in "filling" the holes that Mike did with his Legacy if it reduces the glares.

Do you have/know of a picture of the metal cutoff plate inside the '06 projector?

-Mike-

Congrats on the New Award

i'd like to personally thank you for your constructive addition to this thread :rolleyes:

it's pretty obvious that not all rebased H7 kits are created equal. the fact of the matter is, the cutoff isn't right on these and if this guy drives towards me in an oncoming lane at night, he'll be getting a healthy dose of FF1000's.

i'd like to personally thank you for your constructive addition to this thread :rolleyes:

it's pretty obvious that not all rebased H7 kits are created equal. the fact of the matter is, the cutoff isn't right on these and if this guy drives towards me in an oncoming lane at night, he'll be getting a healthy dose of FF1000's.

I've yet to get flashed and I drive a lot of 2 lane roads.

Do you have/know of a picture of the metal cutoff plate inside the '06 projector?

-Mike-

Actually, I don't even know how to take apart the 06 headlight housing. If i can get into it, i'll take some pictures of it.

I've yet to get flashed and I drive a lot of 2 lane roads.
doesn't prove a thing.

either modify your cutoff or ignore our good advice, just don't say we didn't warn you when you cause an accident, get a fine, or have to replace your crappy rebased bulb. you chose the low road, we're just trying to tell you that's not the right way to do things.

i'm done here, you're obviously not one to listen to good advice or worthwhile opinions. have fun with your stupid blingy lights. i hope someone with REAL lighting shows you what's up somewhere down the road.

have fun blinding and annoying people.

Just because no one had highbeamed you yet doesn't mean the other person isn't thinking "WTF whats up with these guys lights!?".

The way I see it though is having respect for other drivers in not having your headlamps create glare for them. Maybe you might want to try what CreoWRX did with his Legacy headlamps that way you can keep the HID kit you have and cut down on the glare.

i'd like to personally thank you for your constructive addition to this thread :rolleyes:

it's pretty obvious that not all rebased H7 kits are created equal. the fact of the matter is, the cutoff isn't right on these and if this guy drives towards me in an oncoming lane at night, he'll be getting a healthy dose of FF1000's.
Well maybe if you bought a car that came with them stock, ah just a thought, or how bout one that also adjust's the level that lights project at. Hope that was helpful
Do you drive an 06? No, neither do I. So you have a complete different head light, correct? thoughts so
Did you see the lights in person? No, but I did. Just because he has crappy camera :lol: and a very slanted drive way does not mean he has blinding light.
Think outside the box before you Flame some one, just because it makes you feel special, and your mad because he drive's 06 with a 2.5L and a better tranny, Don't hate, appreciate
http://www.altheabraithwaite.net/Feeling%20Jealous.JPG

yea and your any better with stg 2 with illegal emissions... dont throw rocks when you live in a glass house.

for all you know I have a catted downpipe. Im sure most of the people on here would rather have me driving behind them at night with a smelly exhaust rather than blinding them with my horribly cheesy 8000k hid's. if your gonna do something, DO IT RIGHT. by this I mean, either retro fit or get STi headlamps. not your uber cool purple lights that throw more light into the sky rather than the road :lol:

and your mad because he drive's 06 with a 2.5L and a better tranny, Don't hate, appreciate


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a171/IIdiceII/good-one.jpg

This thread has been very helpful. I came in here with no knowledge of HID kits/installation. I now come out knowing why some cars with HIDs blind the crap out of me while others don't. :p

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a171/IIdiceII/good-one.jpg
Congrats man, your almost as funny as his attempt to become president
http://rosecity.net/al_gore/sniveler.jpg

if he wants to blind people, let him. but if someone throws something at your car as they pass, don't get mad. i've seen it happen to a car right in front of me.


just my .02 with my illegal catted stage 2

US DOT halogen lamps are designed to throw light up towards overhead signs. they should be bright on the bottom with a cut off, dark in the middle, with a dim band up high.

of course throwing a HID in there will screw it all up for everyone anyways.

yea and your any better with stg 2 with illegal emissions... dont throw rocks when you live in a glass house.



YOU are blinding innocent oncoming traffic....and you are an assclown for being stupid trying to compare the two issues.

I hope you get hit head on by a semi that you blind with your pointless lights

Think outside the box before you Flame some one, just because it makes you feel special, and your mad because he drive's 06 with a 2.5L and a better tranny, Don't hate, appreciate

:huh:

Look at the photos jiggles posted too. Both photos show noticeable glare above the cutoff line. Look at my photo, and you'll see no such light above the cutoff. Here is how they looked before I corrected them (notice the yellow light/glare above the cutoff line);

http://deexboy.com/albums/album28/IMG_5017.sized.jpg

Also, in reality, standing at a wall and looking at the cutoff isn't going to do you much good... If there's that much glare that close to a wall/garage, it's a lot worse for on-coming traffic 25+ feet away.

-Mike-

:huh:

Also, in reality, standing at a wall and looking at the cutoff isn't going to do you much good... If there's that much glare that close to a wall/garage, it's a lot worse for on-coming traffic 25+ feet away.

-Mike-

Couldn't agree more there. For a projector lens, you should NOT have any glare/light above the cutoff.

Paintballguy: Here's a test. If you haven't done so, go stand in front of your car about 50-100 feet down the road and see if you have glare or not.

Think outside the box before you Flame some one, just because it makes you feel special, and your mad because he drive's 06 with a 2.5L and a better tranny, Don't hate, appreciate

Ummm...ok that was off topic.

Ummm...ok that was off topic.
sure and so was his reason's for flaming, I've seen the lights IN PERSON, THE ONLY GLARE YOU ARE SEEING IS THE ONE FROM HIS GARAGE, he's parked to close and his driveway has a steep incline, thus "the extra light above the cutoff" light is REFLECTIVED light :eek: , I explained this already, but apparently you only like to quote parts of what I say, some people just kill me with stupidity :furious:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/jiggles55/DSC00591.jpg
Your friend's cutoff. Doesn't look like he's that close to the fence to me and the fence isn't reflective either. That doesn't make me buy the reflected light excuse that you used to explain the first pic in the series. Care to try and explain the hotspots above the cutoff in this one?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/wrxzboost/cutoff.jpg
Proper projector HID cutoff for reference.

i refuse to believe those 3 blobs of light are reflected off the pavement. the pavement is very coarse and due to the angles, the irradiance at the ground will be relativly small, the reflactance is poor with very low specularity.

that light in that picture is light exactly where it should not be and is due to someone being a jackass.

http://flagpull.com/free/hid1.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/jiggles55/DSC00591.jpg

Two different photos of HID kits in two different '06 WRXs, and you're failing to convince anyone here but yourself. Reflected light? Sure!.. There is reflected light coming from an HID bulb in a halogen-based projector which is causing glare above the cutoff line. :lol:

-Mike-

i dono why, but the more i read the more i laugh :D

Congrats man, your almost as funny as his attempt to become president
http://rosecity.net/al_gore/sniveler.jpg

way to change the subject. point is. your arguement is dumb and stupid and has no point. you try making fun of the other guy because he drives an 02. your the typical new sti driver. had no clue what a subaru was before you saw a bright blue car with a big wing and thought hey, i wonder if that thing will get me laid and do good in the 1/4 mile :lol:

Way too much flaming and other crap in this thread. This is a technical forum not OT.