Most of you seem so concerned with performance why would you buy this car if you wanted performance?

They have 2.0 4-cilinders, why would you want to mod something with such low potential.

I have a 2001 black Z28 and I bought that car for performance and that is what I got. I have modded the hell out of it and it is very quick but still a streetcar.

I think these cars are cool don’t get me wrong. The AWD on dirt roads is cool but why race these cars on the street or in the ¼ when you did not buy a car that was built to do that.

This is not a flame I just want to know why.

I'm glad I bought 10,000 shares of Dupont last week (they make flame-proof materials).

Ka-Ching!


Ed :rolleyes:

As a famous drag racer once said,"any idiot can go fast in a strait line!"

Yeah, 2.0 liter turbo engines will never add up to a hill of beans.

Anyone catch San Remo last night on Speedvision??

Ed

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I smell a troll.


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ah... maybe not...

One question... What does a 2.0 liter 4-cylinder have to do with low potential? Not all roads are straight and flat. They aren't even all paved. Gas ain't cheap either.

First ask yourself this question before posting the question you did: Why did they cancel the F-body line of vehicles and increase the production of WRX's? There must be a reason.

Why is it that everyone who drives a Camaro can't understand that AWD is not just for 'dem there dirt roads? I have met 4 people that said the same exact thing, all drove Camaros. It's kind of hard to say these engines don't have potential. Personally, I'm going to swap my 2.5 for a 2.0 turbo eventually. Maybe a nice STi engine with about 300hp stock. Now that would be fun to play with. Subaru's are not drag racing wonders but can do quite well at it. Go watch some tarmac stages of a rally for "your AWD is not just for dirt" lesson #1. Anyone smell burnt troll?;)

Here is why.
A. To be honest, anyone car go fast with a 8 cyl. Its much more pleasing to blow away a car with double the displacment of ur car. That is something that I enjoy.
B. If I get my car down into the 12s, I can still go out and drive to work in the snow. Not only can i drive in the snow, I can do it safer than most cars out there
C. Dirt! I don't think Ineed to speak more about that:)
D. Driving in a straight line is not a subaru's home. Driving in an auto-x , rally-x, or rally...now thats where it belongs. Our cars do pretty damn well at auto-xs.
E. If we wanted to go fast drag racing, I'd buy a $2000 old V8 modifiy that with about $4000 and be running like 10s or something. Thats not important to me, I want to have a car that all around is
A. Reliable
B. Quick
C. Handles
D. Is able to handle any weather SAFELY
E. Safe
F. Rare
G. decent price.
There isn't another car out there that fits all that stuff other than the WRX (or the RS :D )
Understand now?
Keith

1/4 mile, Yep I whole heartedly agree... and My car will never see a drag strip. Though it is a very valid place to gauge performance gains while tuning a motor. The Impreza is a purpose built Rally car built to replace the legacy in World Rally. I don't have a problem with the Z-28 as long as the one realizes what it was made for. Same goes with the Impreza..

Both of these cars can do similar things well, and most times it takes quite a bit of work to make either cross over into the others specialty. So when we have an Impreza running 10's I'd say that is something to brag about, and when Chevy has a Camaro win a Rally Title, they will have something to brag about. Heck they probably already have one in SCCA ProRally.

They are different cars that do different things..

Like it or leave it. Your Choice

So if you get up and see your car and it makes you happy, good for you. When I get in and drive my car it puts a smile on my face so Hey, it was money well spent.

Later

Eric

I think I can answer this. Most people do not buy a car for one reason. Unless you are rich you wouldn't buy a car for the sole purpose of beating other people in a drag race. In other words if you can only afford one car like most people you want to get the most out of it.

The people in WRXs who race you on the street didn't buy it just to race, but they are showing you that in addition to the many things the WRX does well, it can also go fast in a straight line. When they are not racing they are flying through twisty roads with a big smile on there face (rain or shine), driving in snow, taking 3 friends for a ride and making good use of four doors, ect.

I respect the Camaro Z28, but I wanted a more balanced car that does it all, not one thing extreemly well.

...hey, I've been convinced. When I get the money, I'm gonna go right out and pick me up a 2003 Camaro Z28...

...what's that?...no, really?...they don't make that anymore, huh? go figure.

from Motortrend:
"an engine whose specific output is rivaled by only the vaunted 911 Turbo - the Porsche churns out 115 horsepower per liter versus the Subaru's 114"

You're right, no potential there! :lol:

...but I'm sure you've already researched this, so you know that the engine is capable of around 300hp. And you must know that the Camaro is almost 400lbs heavier.

from Consumer Reports:
"the Camaro is too bulky to be nimble"

Also remember that there are different types of performance!

Gads, I can't wait for the STi WRX to arrive so the mullet-heads will be forced to count something other than cylinders!

There is a mustang in Pro Rally. Never seen a Camaro or Corvette.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, umm where do I begin. Well first off, saying 2.0 l 4 cylinders have no potential. Say that to some of my DSM buddies that run low 12's all day long at the track, or my friend with the S2000 that tears house at auto-x tracks. Your almighty LS1 is meant to go straight and doesn't even do a geat job doing that. That thing handles like a boat on wheels, is uncomfortable to drive, shifter is positioned horrible, visibility is a joke, and don't get me started on foul weather reliability and drivability. I used to work at a Pontiac dealership and probably drove 15 or 20 Firebirds (same exact car) alot of them with the WS6 suspension upgrade and they still didn't impress me. Funny thing is, I have raced prolly 8 or 9 LT1's and LS1's and have only lost once. Why? Because they would sit there and spin while I was pulling 1.9 60 ft times. Some were 6-speeds some were Auto's. Those cars have serious traction problems and they couldn't launch them right, but that is not my problem. Now AWD is perfect for stoplight racing, because you have the launch advantage, handling becasue you have unnormal amounts of grip, and foul weather drivability because all 4 whells driving the car. If your car is that fast, I can guarantee It ain't fully streetable because you prolly need slicks to hook up and slicks have soft sidewalls and make your car wobble down the road and have very soft compounds and can't be driven on every day. Either way, IF you are ever in the Florida or New York area, I will be happy to show you some capable 4 cylinders. Ohh by the way, I wonder why they discontinued your car, because GM felt bad selling people a $30,000 car that was losing to a 4 door sedan with bulging headlights!!! Sorry for the long post, but this is te exact attitude I encounter every day from various rednecks and their V-8's.

Troll

Moderators, please delete this drivel.

Frankly, I don't understand the desire to drag race these cars either. However, I wouldn't tell somebody that they shouldn't do something just because I wouldn't...different people get off on different things. It makes the world a more interesting place!
I bought my car because I wanted a commuter that I could drive up to the slopes a dozen or so times a year. The turbo performance was icing on the cake as far as I am concerned!
It's a very rewarding car to drive and is super functional for my needs.

Well, let me try to explain. First I am not going to flame you for asking this or try to tell you that Firebirds and Mustangs or pieces of *****. My brother is a big time muscle car lover. His saying is there is no replacement for displacement. But a big engine doesn't make a car fast, or necessarily give it more potential. Let me give you some examples.

V8 versus flat 4

-V8 weights a ton more than flat 4
-Flat 4 has a lower center of gravity making the car more balanced (hence one major reason porsche has used flat 6's in their 911's for years)
-Depending on the V8 (Firebird, Camaro) use push rod engines, which are outdated technology and are less efficient

Camaro Versus WRX

-You said why buy a car with a flat 4 with so low potential, then I ask you why buy a sports car that weights 500lbs more? Weight to many racers is just as important, if not more important than horsepower. Weight effects braking, cornering, acceleration, and fuel economy for a car; all extremely important aspects of road or dirt (rally) racing.
-Consumer reports rates the Corvette, Camaro, and Firebird and three of the worst cars for reliability and warranty issues. Yet Subaru is rated as one of the most reliable cars on the market. Reliability tends to be important if you want to finish the race.

I work for a automotive supplier designing seals and gaskets. We supply parts to every auto maker. The level of testing and technology that the German and Japanese makers require of us is years ahead of what the US makers require.

One of GM's big engine designers, who I work with, came out to see my car at work. He knows much more about engines and design than I do. His only comment after looking under my hood for about 15 minutes was "The engineering put into this engine shows one reason why the American car companies are losing their market share."

I love all sports cars and appreciate all of them for their own unique reasons and anyone who loves cars and likes to modify them is cool in my book. There are just many different ways of going about it.

HAHA you guys scared him away!:lol:

I am not a redneck nor am I a troll. I just wanted someone to give me some insight not insults. I did not slam your car nor did I mean any insult to it.

Well then, you got your answer.

And just for the record, I think Drag Racing is just dumb and I don't understand why people drag Subarus or Hondas or any 4 cylinder.

If I we're only into 1/4 mile times, I'd buy an American V8.

I know what you mean.

This is more about your perception of this board - "Most of you seem interested in drags and 1/4 mile"...

... that's what it looks like to the outsider, there is plenty of noise about that kind of racing here, but believe me, these people are the VAST minority.

Most of us bought these cars because of all the other things you can do with them.

Dig a little deeper and you'll find most of us are a) nice ppl and b) car enthusiasts (just like you), not 16 year old children braggin about how they smoked a 'vette last night.

Dave :D

First off i would like to say i drove a heavily moddified lt1 z28 and was running low 13's @3800 feet. And it was an automatic. The car was fast as hell in the straights, but the handeling sucked, and i had good tires on it too. Second The cost of getting a z28 to great performance is freakin expensive. It cost me 5 grand to get low 13's where it would cost less than 1500 to get low 13's out of a wrx. maybe less. Guys like you make me ashemed that i even drove a z28. The all might 5.7l engine is nice and all, but its severly outdated. And yes you did bash the wrx, you asked why we would buy such a car to go fast, well truth is it halls ass, a sti or evo7 stock for stock would whip you pretty little ls1 in every catagory. And i hope you dont live where it snows or rains alot, i got rid of my car for that reason alone. Try gettin close to 400lb feet of tq the the ground with an inch of ice on the ground, its not going to happen. And what did you expect posting crap like this in our forum? Maybe i should go to your chevy forum and asked why you bought a car that handels like a boat and is being discontinued.

Originally posted by Scuby-on-dubs
I am not a redneck nor am I a troll. I just wanted someone to give me some insight not insults. I did not slam your car nor did I mean any insult to it.

come on guys be a little bit easier on him, he did not bash our cars, he just asked a simple question...

help him see the light... :cool:

As far as the potential factor goes you have to realize that a camaro or corvette is better. Not saying that a small four cylinder can't do great things but compared to a v8 they can look silly. Yes you can get a DSM that will run twelves all day but for the same price you could probably get a daily driven camaro to run 11's or even 10's. It's just a fact that when it comes right down to it there really is no replacement for displacement. I don't mean straight from the factory, but when you start modding them. A 4cyl comes with a four that is already turboed to help it achieve better power, now add a bigger turbo, intercooler, exhaust/intake, and electornics the car as far as power is concerned is maxed out. Now take a V8 bore and stroke it to 427 cu in. and it will probably be faster than most production cars, add exhaust/intake and your faster than almost all imports that are modded, add a super charger or twin turbos, and your in another world(Look at lingenfelter). As far as handling goes it's along the same route. Yes an impreza is worlds ahead of the camaro in terms of handling, but when you dump a ton of money into them the advantage starts to slip, because while 4WD is really good for us normal people and for rally people when it comes to road racing RWD is better, because it is lighter and it has better handling characteristics. Again this is not a flame agianst 4cyl cars. I used to own a camaro and because of it I woun't buy an american car anymore, there were too many problems, but don't underestimate the potential that those cars have.

"[The Subaru] is by no means fast"?? Uhhh... 60 in less than six seconds isn't fast?

"Z28 weighs almost double"? Uhhh... Let's not make it any tougher for the Camaro than it already is. It doesn't weigh 6000lbs. That'll be next year's Chevy Avalanche Camaro Sport.

The Impreza can hang with a Camaro in a straight line and stir it with a stick in any corner in all conditions, is vastly more reliable and is cheaper. Why would I want that?

Life does not begin and end at the dragstrip.

lb
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Three words:

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What prompted me to post something like this is all of the folks who show up at the street races. Also when you go on these boards where the subject of the board is 4 cl cars and all they talk about is how to make their cars go faster and talk about ¼ times you begin to wonder why they bought the car to begin with.

Let me begin with the street races for a second. Several years back when I was more into racing than I am now I frequented the races and most if not all of the folks out there were running V8 engines in either a Ford or Chevy. Then came along a few 4-bangers that would run. Now it seems that is all that shows up to these races is Japanese four cylinders. Now the street races suck and the cars have ruined what was once a place to race fast cars. I get so furious with some of those drivers. One guy in a Honda Civic approached me in my Camaro and wanted to run I blew him off and he kept pestering me and they would laugh at my car every time he and his friends passed by. My Camaro is a sleeper there is no way from looking at the outside of the car that you could tell it was modded. The only thing that would give it away was my rear tires. I finally broke down and raced him. I could not believe what I was about to do but I did it. I felt as if I had done something wrong by racing a Civic. I thought I would shut this guy up if I raced him. As you could guess I blew him away. He had the nerve to tell me he missed a gear and could have taken me. I was so mad at this guy I had to leave. They cannot even admit it when they get beat.

If you approach a 4-cl owner and ask the question as I did above you would get the responses you gave me, but his ass would be at the ¼ track that weekend messing with V8 cars. You say one thing but do another.

With respect to the board and topics all most of you talk about is how to make your car go faster in the ¼ mile. Sure there is some talk about suspension but not as much.

I like the WRX and might get one just because of the individually and the handling. I test drove one and fell in love with the ride. I just do not want to give up my V8. As far as a V8 not being able to hook up it can we just do not want it too. If I had race slicks on my car and heated them up at a good track and dumped the clutch at 5 grand I would break something if they hooked up right off. I need them to slip a bit of the line so I do not break something.

Thanks for your help and I mean no disrespect.

Seeing as I have BOTH a WRX and a '98 LS1 6M Z28, I'll throw in my .02.
For anyone that slams the Camaro for being a big a$$ heavy boat, get your facts straight. The WRX 5M sedan is 3085, My '98 Z28 weighs in at 3350. It doesn't handle quite as well as the WRX, but it certainly outhandles a bunch of other cars! I recently put Kumho 712's on & love the improvement.

After re-reading some of the garbage some of you have put up here, I'm gonna give up. I'm not going to fuel the "let's show up the V8's, they're stupid" mentality a lot of you have around here.


I'm not implying this guy's a troll, but for future reference:

What's the best way to get rid of a troll?
Ignore him!!!

hmmm, maybe i should just cancel my order on my rex and instead get on of those twin-turbo henessey vipers. hmm, or maybe i should get one of those imported r34 skylines through motorex and soup it up to 1300+hp like that aussie did. but oh crap, where the heck am i gonna put my hockey equipment, bikes and all??? honestly, if i had the money for a couple of cars, i would get a real hi-po car ( actually several ) like hmm, 360 modena, 550 marenello, aston martin vanquish, 911 turbo, henessey viper, r34 skyline, etc. etc. etc. and then i'd have my hummer for hauling.
but quite honestly, there is only 1 other car on the market in the US that I can think of that is as fun and practical as the WRX wagon is the audi S4 avant(not sure on potential ). yes i know i'm talking wagons, but how can you beat a vehicle that has good performance ( 6 or sub 6 0-60 and ~mid 14 1/4 mile times ), good handling, has good potential, built well by a reliable manufacturer, and you can actually fit 4-5 people or haul a bunch of stuff. i've been wanting something like this for a long time.
and besides, if we're talking about real performance - thats where my motorcycle comes in ;) now souping up any car to compete on that performance level is just too much $$$. for 7-10k for a new bike, you get bikes with 10-11sec 1/4 miles. yummy. today's bikes handle insane too. gotta love it :devil:

Originally posted by Me
FSecond The cost of getting a z28 to great performance is freakin expensive. It cost me 5 grand to get low 13's


Ok, you asked for it. I do not mind the ocasional insult, but this is wrong. The Camaro runs mid 13's FROM THE FACTORY! If you spent 5 grand and you only got in the low 13's you have issues and I will leave it at that. [/B][/QUOTE]



Originally posted by Me
a sti or evo7 stock for stock would whip you pretty little ls1 in every catagory.


Wrong! Why would you say something you know is wrong?



Originally posted by Me
And what did you expect posting crap like this in our forum? Maybe i should go to your chevy forum and asked why you bought a car that handels like a boat and is being discontinued.


Could you tell me how many years the Camaro has been around? Could we talk about the history in the Camaro and how many have been sold? Then can we talk about the history of Subaru?

Do you understand?

Why did you have to be so rude then lie about facts? This thread was meant to educate not insult.

I think several people went a little overboard on this guy. Relax, he just wanted some information on Suby's. What's the harm in providing intelligent, thoughtfull, respectable responses? Who know's maybe he's looking to convert? :)

For myself, I have never own a "performance" car. I have always been into SUV's. My Pathfinder has over 200,000 miles on her and is still going strong. But it was time for something new. The first time I remember noticing an Impreza was at a car show in 2000. The Impreza RS was sitting there. I really, really like the looks of the vehicle and started to do some research. Found out that this little 4 cylinder had quite the racing heritage behind and that it was more than cabable of putting out +300 hp pretty easily. (Out of a 4 cylinder!! - that's what I call potential). Through my research, I also found out that this little car handles like a dream!!! I waited for the WRX and was a little disappointed in the looks(it has since grown on me). So I went and grabbed the last 4-door 2001 RS2.5 in Colorado. And now I am starting to take this little 4-cyclinder and slowly unlock all that unused potential. Grinning the whole while:D :D :D

Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Slim,

Originally posted by brucelee
The z28 weighs almost double.....

Why would you say that? You know it is not true. The WRX is about 3000lbs and the Camaro is about 3600lbs. How in the world is you get double?


Originally posted by brucelee
I'm not trying to insult you dude, just pointing out facts.

Facts?:confused:

I have a 2001 black Z28 and I bought that car for performance

Well there is a diffrence between performance and power. Performance, atleast to me, means you can take hard tunrs, drive hard, things like that. A z28 is a drag car, speed and stright line. If you are a drager, then fine you got the right car. But WRX is a Performance car. You need to realize e could easealy take a turn harder then you, in a smaller area, and things like that.

so before you try to bash us, think about it first, you are dealing with a compleatealy diffrent class of car here. ;)

O and one othe thing, have seen wrx at 400 HP, wow now with 1/2 the waight of your car, ou might run into truble when you are smooking at the line when our cars awd got us going:D :D :D

Why was I under the impression that the Z28 weighs 3890lbs?

maybe an older one with a bunch of crap on it!:)

I have a '70 Olds 442 that might weigh that much...


...if I put it on a diet!!!

Edit: thankfully a stupid post was deleted which prompted me to edit this.

we have a little too much pride showing here on both sides.

The camaro can go fast in a straight line, and while it handles better than many cars, it's nowhere near the Subaru.

As for 1/4mi. times. Saying an EVO or STi runs 12's and the Z28's run 13's....well, those aren't something you just dream up. I haven't looked up the 1/4 mi. times of these cars, nor do I care to, but why do you question those?

Scuby:

First off, welcome. If you came here to understand, and not to start trouble, then I'm glad you are here. From your initial post, and some of your subsequent responses, I believe that to be the case. As is the case with many boards, some folks here just don't like anyone who questions their beliefs. We recently had a view of that from a guy who sold his LS1 for a WRX, and then posted the uproar it caused on LS1.com. The responses were in the same vein as some that you have received here.

Basically, as others have stated, these cars are primarily good at things other than the 1/4 mile. Hell, I don't even have a turbo, so there's no way I'm embarrassing myself at the strip! :rolleyes: But, when I'm on a rainy, slick street, and I can launch as if it's dry, then I enjoy that. My last two cars (a BMW and a Contour SVT) required major adjustment of my launch style in anything approximating slick, as I assume your Camaro does. The Impreza does not ask that of you. Just punch it and go. I'm also looking forward to driving in snow this year, which is something I can honestly say I've NEVER looked forward to before.

As for people talking about drag racing...well, yes some do. But truthfully, there are a lot of people on this board who don't care about it. Take some time, look around. You'll find a lot of autocrossers, some rallycrossers, and some full-tilt rally folks around here. Once again, as with any group, there are different folks into different things. Personally, if I was into drag racing, I'd probably be loving your Camaro. As it is, I can respect it for what it is while maintaining no desire to own one.

So, there's my $.02. Once again, welcome. Stick around, you'll learn a few things. Maybe we'll even get you to take a test drive! :eek:

yes, that is something that has been misconstrued since the coming of the WRX. The Impreza is NOT a 1/4mi. drag car.

Never was, never will be. It's a "sprinter" more than anything. It's nimble and quick, and can go, stop, change direction, and go again very well; better than most cars.

As for the 1/4 mi. comparison, that really is a minority...mostly the newer kids who are either new to cars altogether, or are coming over from the Honda scene which we talk about so much here.

To each their own, but it should be know, the Impreza is not a drag car, and was never intended to be. Most people know that, and drive their car accordingly.


Oh, and yeah, I can't wait for it to snow! :)

Wow - You guys have impressed me.
You would never get this type of content, and open conversation on other boards. This would be a flame after the first 3 posts...

I'm also glad Scuby came back, and re-affirmed his views, rather then troll and leave...

Good show!
- Kris

What is DSM?

I thank most of you for your responces to my thread. Before I started reading this site I have been spelling Honda wrong. It seems that they have changed the spelling to Honduah.

I am impressed at some of the 1/4 times these cars post. What is the fastest quoted time of the WRX? In the 1/4 mile that is?

Diamond Star Motors - Mitsu Eclipse/Eagle Talon/Plymouth Laser

DSM = Diamond Star Motors = Mitsubishi

fastest 1/4 mi. so far is a 12.01 or something like that... 12.0XX is all I can remember...

Well atleast this guy came back and tryed to get his point across. And he is right , if you want to drag, he got the right car. But we here are not a draging car, and thats it. I am just impresed with all the content I saw here. Explaining exactly how we guys love our cars. But Scuby-on-dubs, go for the WRX man. >:)= betting you would love blowing away some powr cars.

Personaly I an't a drager, but if anyone else wants to do it, go ahead, and the wrx can drag witht he best of them >:)=:D :D

for 1/4 times, the guys in the Factory Forced Induction Forum are always posting times.

like alot of the other ppl said b4 both cars are built differently, the WRX is not a drag car but a car taht is damn good in almost everything else, even though it wasnt made into a drag car, it still has some pretty impressive times. as for the STi or Evo stock for stock it will beat the Z28 hands down.

as for your question about why a 4-banger?? think about it, the Z28s are V8s and the WRX or most japanese cars are 4-cylinders, but to be able to post some impressive times like the STi in 12s stock is pretty damn impressive.

ive seen some of the WRXs Evos back at home in asian that have around 500 hp maybe even more, and those run the 1/4 in the 11s and 10s. for a 4-banger to be able to do that i think it is very impressive especially when the car was not built for drag.

hope this clarifies some things, up just b/c a car is not a V8 does not mean that it cant go faster than one ;)

Originally posted by Scuby-on-dubs

Let me begin with the street races for a second. Several years back when I was more into racing than I am now I frequented the races and most if not all of the folks out there were running V8 engines in either a Ford or Chevy. Then came along a few 4-bangers that would run. Now it seems that is all that shows up to these races is Japanese four cylinders. Now the street races suck and the cars have ruined what was once a place to race fast cars. I get so furious with some of those drivers. One guy in a Honda Civic approached me in my Camaro and wanted to run I blew him off and he kept pestering me and they would laugh at my car every time he and his friends passed by. My Camaro is a sleeper there is no way from looking at the outside of the car that you could tell it was modded. The only thing that would give it away was my rear tires. I finally broke down and raced him. I could not believe what I was about to do but I did it. I felt as if I had done something wrong by racing a Civic. I thought I would shut this guy up if I raced him. As you could guess I blew him away. He had the nerve to tell me he missed a gear and could have taken me. I was so mad at this guy I had to leave. They cannot even admit it when they get beat.





Funny story:D What an idiot.

I am not sure if you are putting the WRX in the same category as some of the other(civic, eclipse) imports, but it is different. A good example of it's potential would have to exist in World Rally Racing. The WRX is basically based on a race car. To answer your question though, I bought my car for reliability and, all condition performance. If I take it to the drag strip, it is just to weigh the performance of newly installed engine mods.

It's as easy as this.

Reveal where you live is the "states." Let someone from your area with a modded GC8 or WRX take you for a dipper ride (who doesn't like to show people what their car can do).

You can then make up your own mind.


MV
:D

the low 12's are only the fast times in the USA in Australia they have WRX's that run in the low 10's and I herd some ne just got into the high 9's even. I think it was Rigolli, or something like that.
I don't follow drag that much but it is a very good way of judging your cars output, becase it is much less effected by driver imput than say a rally time.

Scuby:
First off, thanks for sticking around and not just leaving ones the posts got a little warm.

Most everyone has said it already, but the core of this group is the love for a quick little all around performance car. While it's not the fastest car, it has some very nice replay value. This is one of those cars you really don't get bored in. Because it's fairly simple to buy, or make, a car that can go fast at blistering speeds. But I can see that getting a little old after a while. With the Impreza you get a few different levels of fun. The car can be great fun in the twisties and corners while also provides just enough pep from the engine to keep things interesting.

Now, throw a turbo on the Impreza and you get a more well rounded performance machine, you have now made up for the displacement the car was lacking to begin with. Considering that when tuned properly these engines can actually produce twice, and more, the stock horsepower that's pretty impressive.

Personally I started with one of the models of Impreza you might not be familiar with the 2.5RS. A 2.5L normally aspirated version of the car made 98-02. Now I have put a turbo on my car and it's pretty quick. And it puts a smile on my face every time I jump in and go for a spin.

It's just different needs... I could have gone the same route as you, but I think I just wanted something a little different. I also bought my car for the uniqueness it offers. There were only about 1900 cars of my particular model made the year I bought mine.

That's just my .02 cents.

Now... as far as the fastest Impreza... that would be owned by Tony Rigoli in Australia. With a 10.1 @ 140mph quarter mile time. I wish I could find some of the posts on the board about his car, but I assure you it's rather impressive. And from the info I have read about the car it's still basically a daily driver with full interiour. Of course I have a hard time believeing that... but wouldn't that be wonderful... a blistering fast car that can also corner like it's on rails.

-Nick

My Dad has had Camaro's for years, and they are great cars. The torque from that V-8 is like nothing else, and tons of fun, and what he wants. I have owned various V-8 cars and enjoyed them all.

I now have the REX, and the reason I go it was that it is the greatest urban assault vehicle out there, just what I though a rally car would be. Quick, Nimble, and immune from all the problems that sports cars have, while still being a heck of a sports car. By problems I mean, lack of storage room, low ground clearance, crappy handling in snow, rain etc. With my REX wagon, I can carry the dog, my daughter, wife and me in confort, while still having a great time. Owning a car is about compromise, and the REX hits the compromise on the head.

Other people's place of compromise is different and I respect that, and so should we all.

Welcome SCUBY, this is a great board for information.

If you had 1-2ft of snow in your driveway that`s 250ft long you wouldn`t ask that question. I live 30 min from work-university on a twisty road that`s never clean during winter. I never met a camaro on these roads in winter, but I do remember one mustang that I had to go pull out of the ditch with my John Deere. That`s just one reason. All of the above are good, gas mileage, reliability, etc.

:rolleyes:

You're car can beat mine. I won't debate that.

I don't purposely instigate races with Camaros

I did have someone in a camaro ask for a race once when I was on my mountain bike. I beat him to the 30' mark and then over the next mile. Got to love traffic lights.
:lol:

I just love the car for it's sheer enjoyment. Someone on here said "If you get in your car and it puts a smile on your face, then you made the right choice." That's a smart person.;)

I also respect you for helping to prop up the U.S. economy. That's something I've failed to do.

Who'd blame me, I haven't had an american car make it to 100,000 miles without enormous repair bills yet!!

I like domestic "muscle" cars actually. I'm sure driving the Camaro/Mustangs/Corvettes are great fun...and fast. But alas, I'm a small Asian guy...and I know I won't be able to drive one of those big cars well. :)

And yea, I love being able to do just about everything with the Subaru. So that's one reason why I got it. Though I have to admit, the main reason why is because I thought it looked good. So I've got some r!cer blood in me. :lol:

I bought an impreza not for all out brute power, but all around performance. First of all, Consumer reports recommends it, receiving great marks in all the conventional things that you want in a car such as depreciation, reliability (happy to say that mustangs and camaros got the complete opposite). And to add on to that, if you have a WRX you also have comparable(if not dominating) power toward all those muscle cars. We go the looks, now they have the power, and you won't see too many imprezas broken down on the side of the road like.... =/

bTw, aren't they discontinuing the camaro?

Let's see....why did I go from a 2000 Camaro SS to a WRX? There are way to many reasons to list all of them. The Camaro was a Kick ASS LS1.....wrapped in crap. I had to lemon law the rolling piece of junk. Got all my money back. I did love the sound and feeling of kicking it on a straight line.....but it could handle NO WHERE NEAR as good as this little 2.0 liter.

Ah...rear seats. Usable rear seats. That's such a nice thing to have for a family car. See, that's one of the main reasons I got the WRX. It can kick the crude out of most tire spinning v8's off the line.....and still have a few passengers in the back with smiles on their faces.

I had my fun with the big ole' tire spinnin' muscle car.... Now, in this stage of life, I would rather focus on cornering and handling. The WRX is the one that did it best for me. Plain and simple.

I have said it a hundred times. You could not touch the LS1 for what it was. Mine had 309 rwhp stock! ....but other than the engine....it sucked.

Here are pics of my old baby..... One day I will stop showing them off. As angry as the piece of junk made me....I still loved her......just not as much as my WRX!!!!!

http://homestead.juno.com/dustinmiller1/2000CamaroSS.html

BTW....in case you haven't seen this yet, check out the responses I got on LS1.com when I told them the car I went too. You want to see a bunch of asses.....there are pleny there. Sad to admit I used to be one of them.

http://www.ls1.com/ls1forum/Forum2/HTML/040786.html

Not that it isn't quite obvious, but I am Dustman on LS1.com.

Apples to oranges.
Why get an SUV instead of a Hummer?
Why get a Camaro instead of a Hayabusa (fast motorbike!)?
Why get the WRX instead of a STi?....Hmmmm:rolleyes:

Well, I'm sure you see what I mean. Each one has it's strengths and weaknesses, some shine more in some areas than the others. What it comes down to is what you prioritize.

Does the Camaro come in a wagon? Even been beaten by a wagon? Gimme a few months and I'll race you. :lol: :lol: :lol: J/K

P.S. - Welcom to i-club and all it's colorful glory.:D

It's Japanese.. That makes it better. As for your displaced sense of patriotisim.. Might want to check where your F-body car is made, eh?

Ok dude you asked for it. If you read my post correctly i stated that i had a l1t automatic. 93 model year, it took me 5000 in mods to get it to where it was when i sold it, and that included suspension wheels and tires, headers, lt4 hot cam kit hi stall tq converter, fipk special burned superchip and 3.73 precision gears. I also stated im almost at 4000 feet, see leavel i would be in the 12,s. If im not mistaking an sti and evo7 run low 13's stock from the factory. A non ss or ws6 fbidoe runs high 13's, sti and evo win. Handeling? forget about it, again sti and evo win, wanna do a little auto cross? u lost again, well what else is there? oh and i have 4 doors and awd so while you trying to find traction im already 2 cars ahead of you, oh and i can go to the mauntians in the snow or ice and you cant, unless you go 5 mph. forget it dude u lost. But i do love the ls1 and actually lateral acceleration of a z28 is better than a stock wrx.

Push Rods:lol:

No really, An impreza in any form has nowhere near the straightline potential of a V-8 camaro... Here is the problem with having a Camaro that runs six second 1/4 miles. Try putting 1000hp to the ground coming out of a hairpin turn with a car that has a solid rear axle. Not possible. All the talk about 1/4 mile times around here is to basically a way to tell how quick the cars will be... on a road coarse, auto-x, or rally-x. Sure, I think drag racing is kinda fun, but road or rally is soooooo much more fun. And that's why I bought my car;)

First off, welcome to our board and I apologize for those who have insulted you. As with any car enthusiast, we tend to take things to the heart and object to those who question our loyalty to whatever car or manufacturer.

To answer your question of why I bought the car, first off, I only have an RS which I think has a lot of potential to do a lot of different things and perform fairly well. Most other cars seem to be good at one thing and excel at it and that's about as far as it goes. By looking around you, you'll see that not a lot of people have them (when compared to your average Joe driving their car).

Almost any car can go fast it's just that it takes some longer to get there. I believe my car is fast (I've taken it close to 135mph), but what I want to do is make it a quick car. Quick at the launch, quick at turning in, quick at coming out of a turn, quick to respond, etc. Key word is quick for me...not fast.

Those are very typical v-8 owner attitudes. I went to that forum often, but never posted because they are pretty much morons

that was uncalled for sti, but funny:)

CHILL OUT! The guy asked a simple question! He is not an idiot. Some of you sound like Club SI. The only reason he is being defensive is because some of you flamed the crap out of him. Its called self control... it comes with maturity.

STI,
I think you just demonstrated your intelligence:rolleyes:

I'm not sure this guy is as innocent as some of you make him seem. Look at his user name.

Hey, that was just YEARS of being criticized for enjoying something that nobody else even knows about around where I live. The Camaro guy was just the spark that made me explode. :)

Why are you talking about the WRX like it's just a normal 4 banger like some of the posers in hondas and NA 4 cl? This is a flat 4, as well.

Turbo cars have a LOT of potential...especially this one.

haha, that was actually pretty funny :lol:

damn ppl on the ls1 boards are mad haters, i just read like 5 post and already there are !$%$@^^%&&^*&^#%$#@^%&##^ LOL, ppl are just so uneducated when it comes to car sometimes.

just b/c it has a bigger engine doesnt mean that it is faster, they should actually be a shamed, a 4-banger can acutally keep u with them hehe.

the hp to cylinder ratio of the camaro doesnt even come close to the WRX, just my opinion on it, u should tell them to do a research b4 they open their mouths.

but hey, american pride rite?
sorry im a japanese fan :D

wrx0r

Yes, Subaru's EJ25 has been praised for its "Steam engine-like torque" from Car & Driver. Sport Compact Car has modded up a 2000 Impie(New nick for it!), and got about 370 crank horsepower with about 11-13 psi of boost. At least thats what I remember reading. Thats a bit insane to put that much boost on, the compression ratio of 9.7:1 is too high for that much boost. But, true experts could squeeza more out of it, like the Aussie with the near 9 second Impie!:devil:

Ok that does it.

I am sorry I must bite the bait smells too good.

I wanted to learn and I did expect to get flamed but I also thought that some people would answer the question.

I was shocked that MOST of you held it together when I question your choice on cars but this Stiguy555 showed me that kids should not be allowed to play on the net when daddy is not watching.

I do not understand why you think I do not know the difference between a Honda and a Hyundai. I do know all about cars and I have been racing since you were born. Heck I could be your dad the way your mom got around.

I would rather buy a car made in Canada and the profits go to America then buy a car from a country that bombed and killed some of my relatives. How patriotic is that dude. That country thinks that we are idiots.

Yes millions of people buy GM vehicles, how many people buy Subaru? Uh? I cannot hear you? Subaru sent only 10,000 of those WRX’s to the US. I still see them on the lots as a matter of fact the dealer I went to had 7 WRX’s on the lot including the one I drove.

Why are you testing my intelligence? You own a Ford Probe! You have some nerve posting that drivel on this board when you own neither car we are discussing. You cannot afford a decent car, that my son, is pathetic.

Racing in America has to do with light to light. Most people in America and over seas are concerned with the light-to-light quickness of a car not the “Twisties” that the minority of you speak of. When you tell someone that you raced a car it is a given that it was in a straight line and not some road course.

Racing in America has to do with light to light. Most people in America and over seas are concerned with the light-to-light quickness of a car not the “Twisties” that the minority of you speak of. When you tell someone that you raced a car it is a given that it was in a straight line and not some road course.

most of us here like the "twisties and do not "drag" our cars
there will always be a exception
hell i've seen rustangs at the Rally-X too

yes they only are bringing in a small number of cars. i for one am VERRY pleased about this. this will keep this a cult car not like the RSX, Mustang, F-Body(insert any mass produced POS)

as for american build quality...... i've worked for one of the Big Three and let me tell you i will NEVER own another one of them again!

i also think you are on the wrong message board you keep trying to talk about drag racing and you keep quoting Hondas. this is a SUBARU board.

i've worked for many ProMod teams over they years and i admit there is nothing better than a Sonny's 800 Ci motor staging on the strip. i also have a 6 Sec prostock license so i know what going fast is like. :)

you need to try this right
HERE (http://forums.clubsi.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro)

tom@kartboy.com

I am sure that most of you are somewhat intelligent enough to know about physics? Eight cylinders are much better than four. If I strapped a turbo with 15-20 pounds of boost and the appropriate amount of tuning I would blow my ring and pinion smooth out the back of my car. See your engines are running at a much higher efficiency level than mine.

If you do your homework you will find the history of American drag racing once had turbos, but they were banned from the NHRA because they generated too much power on these V8 engines.

This is not a di** measuring contest I respect your cars but I do not see the reason behind making them drag racing vehicles. Sure it would be cool to beat a V8 with a 4cl but at what cost? You will spend way more money on the 4cl than I will on my V8 to generate the same HP.


For those of you who insist on saying the Camaro does not handle well and weighs SOOO much more than the WRX do your homework before you post such crap. That is an outright lie and a misrepresentation of the facts.




Tom@kartboy so you are saying that mass-produced cars are POS? What an ignorant statement.

So you have worked for one of the big three have you worked for a Japanese automaker? You are forming an opinion on one automaker? You are assuming if one dose it all do? You sound like a very ignorant individual to me.

I did not compare you to Honda’s are you feeling like you need to prove something?

If you do have your license you must know it is not easy to go straight real fast. It is more than having a quick and heavy foot.



Good luck with your cars folks.

Sorry I had to defend myself.

Sorry, I didn't mean to judge you, nut there are tons of F- car guys that dont know anything, but they criticize Imports anyways!:( Some of your posts seemed rather...well...uninformed. But, its not liked you were raised on this stuff, you were exposed to tire-smokin muscle cars, so I cant blame you for that.
My dad is 54, you are not 54, so you cant be my father.:) I believe you insulted my late mother, but I don't get that "yo momma!" BS.:mad:
I hate having to shut up for people that are over 18 just because they think they are gods compared to minors. Especially ones that say "I could be you father!" :rolleyes: :mad:

Originally posted by Scuby-on-dubs
Tom@kartboy so you are saying that mass-produced cars are POS? What an ignorant statement.

Well, I defended you earlier, but now YOU have gone too far. Those of us who have been on this board more than a day know that Tom here is anything but ignorant, and frankly may be too nice of a guy to answer your cheap insult. But Tom, help me out...what's you field of engineering specialty? Funny, I didn't hear our friend here mention one.

So, it appears that maybe it's time for you to leave. Obviously, you paid no real attention to those of us who tried to enlighten you. Beyond that, you can't seem to understand that this is not a Honda board, and for you to come here and spew all your dislike of those cars is just wrong.

Please, go back to your domestic boards and tell them what a bunch of idiots we are. Perhaps then none of them will be tempted to come visit.

Originally posted by RoadRashed
BTW....in case you haven't seen this yet, check out the responses I got on LS1.com when I told them the car I went too.


How do you cope man? I have test driven a WRX and I love it I just cannot give up the tire smoking power. Oh, and I cannot own two cars only one.


I am not dissing you I just want to know more why. I went to the link and read your comments but I still do not get it. Sure these F-body’s are common but they are fast. So few mods and so much power out of these cars, why did you go to a 4-cl? In my opinion you will be back to some V8 soon if the power is what you crave.


Granted I loved the test drive but it did not have the off the line power I need. So much turbo lag how can they be so quick? Do you all do 6 grand clutch dumps? You know on that fragile AWD system you cannot do that too many times. I paid just under a grand to reinforce my rear end how much will you all have to pay when you wreck your AWD system? Also, what is the expected life of the turbo on the WRX?

I cannot wait to see how this car holds up to the abuse the drivers will give it.

mike
i never claimed to have a engineering degree
that is mark not i
i think it'll be a lot easier to link our company bio insted of retyping it

must be us damn lazy americans LOL

Kartboy Bio (http://kartboy.com/company.html)
tom@kartboy

as for the prostock license
it was a lot easier than i thought, not simple, but comming from a roadracing background in ITA ,125 and 250 superkarts. its a whole different world.
but to each their own
who knows maybe someday we'll meet up at the track and see what happens :)
(driving a 2.5RS with 13 pounds of boost)

OK you POS Camaro lover! I think you should of waited a while before posting the subject:"Why do you like these cars"? Oh my God, give me a break! You seem so focused on sales numbers, why do you care? In fact, most people that like F-body(insert POS here) ALWAYS use that for an argument! WHY? Its so pointless! To produce more means less time spent on each car, and "cheaper" production techniques! Maybe thats why there are thousands upon thousands of POS GM owners that are stuck with lemons! Maybe thats why GM is losing its market share! Subaru has only been in the US market for 32 years, and Subaru makes high-quality cars that don't literally spend more time being repaired than being on roads like most Camaros are really doing!

Look, im 15, can't afford a Impreza yet, so I got what my $2000 from my life savings could get me! It has a Mazda engine and Tranny, and is based on the Mazda 626.... but you wouldn't know THAT!:mad:
Also, the Mazda parts are great! So that just renforces my trust in Japanese products! It has 150,000 miles on it, and could probably do 50-60 thousand MORE! My sisters 92 Firebird has only 90K, its FALLING APART! Engine, tranny, and suspension are constantly breaking down on her! I keep telling her to get something else! She regrets not listening to me in the first place.
So if you still believe imports are pieces, and GM is superior, you are obviously on some strong drug that makes you stubborn and delusional! Thats my 3 cents!:lol:
NO WAIT... Probably could do 300K! My sis' car wont make it to 100K!

Oh, and I cannot own two cars only one.



That's a great reason to own a WRX! I'm glad you said it! If you live a 6000ft and want to have fun in the summer and still be mobile in the winter there are very few choices. And even fewer at $25k. When I see an SS crossing Loveland Pass in January, then I'll reconsider.

FYI, my first mod will be supsension. Then I'll work on more power, but never will I run a 1/4mi drag. Just knowing the car will run 13.2 1/4s is still fun to brag about(not to SS owners though)! :D

Originally posted by stiguy555
Look, im 15......





:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:





Enough said.

O-K.... using age against me, eh? Well, so what if I cant drink, smoke, and access adult sites! That doesnt mean my thoughts don't matter! Its people like YOU that makes americans look bad, i'm ashamed of you...:mad:

Yes millions of people buy GM vehicles, how many people buy Subaru? Uh? I cannot hear you? Subaru sent only 10,000 of those WRX’s to the US. I still see them on the lots as a matter of fact the dealer I went to had 7 WRX’s on the lot including the one I drove.

Good logic man, now we're getting somewhere :rolleyes: Of course, I'm sure GM sells many more cars in the US than Ferrari and Porsche combined. I guess that GM is better than them, too. sweet.

I would rather buy a car made in Canada and the profits go to America then buy a car from a country that bombed and killed some of my relatives. How patriotic is that dude. That country thinks that we are idiots.

...and people like you are the reason why. Nothing like holding a grudge against a country that is now our partner in the world arena. Yeah, and I still hate the Carolinas for their role in the Civil War, but I'll get over it. Jesus, people. :lol:

...I'm also sure that you did your homework and you know that GM has part ownership, and that all Subaru vehicles except the Impreza are made in the US, right? You sound like a smart guy, of course you knew that!

Isn't there a Ted Nugent concert you're late for?

this is really stupid and pointless... someone please close this

this guy sure does have some class
lookie here (http://i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105513)

goodbye:monkey:

This is not stupid and pointless, it has to be resolved!:devil:

Enough is enough...

Ok... I take back what I said earlier...

I thought you were really trying to come here to learn something and find out more about makes us and out cars tick...

But the more you type, the more I smell troll, and the more I see someone just fishing for comments.

You, in the same breath, say I like your cars, but they are so stupid for drag racing... so I now ask that you please return to your own boards and leave ours alone.

You're like some mad man that runs into a bee hive and screams "Honey Sucks!"... gets the crap stung out of him... then comes back for more once the swelling goes away...

I was going to let it slide, but one of the moderators had issue with you being rather racist earlier today. I was willing to look past that... but no more...

So Mr. F-Body... you are the weakest link... GOOD BYE!

-Nick