I sold something to a fellow i Club member and was played. Now I am out for 3k and don't know what to do. The person isn't picking up his cell phone and that was the only peice of information I have now as far as contacting him. The address on the check and the house phone number is old/disconnected. What I do have is the actual check that bounced twice. It has the evil doer's SS# and DL# and the account # of course.

What can I do to get my $ back and teach that guy a lesson?

-Alex

call the police?

Hehe, send them where? I dont have the address. ;)

If I did, I would send my 400lbs Samoan friend who has tattoos all over his body and looks like he is from WWF over to that guys address. When I was first introduced to him, I was THAT close to having a heart attack. ;)

If ay of the sending went through the US postal service then go see them. They react to mail fraud, its federal. If he sent the bad check through the mail thats a place to start.

Can't you do something nasty to him since you have his DL and SS numbers? Legally that is. Since he did scam you of what seems like a lot of money.

Step one - Police. The mail fraud angle is an excellent idea. If you spoke with him on the phone, it's also wire fraud.

If he's been on the board, perhaps he's on a static IP...

LaterZ!
Darren!!

if you know his name & what state he lives in...go to www.switchboard.com and look his ass up.

i would call the police & report it, and his bank and possibly contact a collection agency (i know some take 10% of what they collect, but ONLY if they collect, otherwise its free)

good luck to you man....

you've got an address ... we've got an i-club meet! :devil: :devil:

www.peoplesearch.net
It's free.
It's PRETTY good about finding people. Not always, but fairly good. Go to the Peoplesearch Deluxe, then unselect some of the silly things, unless you have lots of horsepower and a few minutes to spend. Peoplesearch sent my buddy's computer (Gateway pentium something with 64mb ram) to its knees, but it runs fine on PII and higher machines that have lots of ram.

1) Do your best to let the guy know you're pursuing legal action against him and let him pay you w/cashier's check/MO before you actually do file charges.
2) Contact the police about mail/wire fraud, theft, whatever you can.
3) If that doesn't pan out you can contact a collection agency. Realize you may only get 80% or less, probably 50% if they collect. Again, let the guy know his credit is in jeopardy (but if he's bouncing checks, he probably doesn't care).
4) Contact an accountant and submit it as a bad debt. You may get a bit of a tax write-off, and he will have to pay income tax on it. At least he's got to deal with the IRS. :) You'll get a little personal gratification from that.
You need to work it from this angle I think:
You loaned the guy $3000 to buy used parts, which he bought, and never repaid you for. Nevermind the fact that he never got the money and that you loaned it to him to buy from you. ;)

If you can't get your money back, do us all a favor and screw him over. 1) threaten legal action. 2) murder his credit rating with collections or bad debts. 3) Sick the IRS on him. :)

Holy ****! 3k ...

what did you give this guy???
for 3k...I would have made damn sure the check was cleared before I did anything...hell I'd make him do money order or paypal...

just a question...why did you trust this guy???

Assuming the SSN and ID are valid, he's not going to get away with it. If you can't track him down with the above good advice, PM me and I'll put you in touch with one of the best skip tracers in the country.

I don't know if the local police there can do anything; the sheriff's department may be more helpful. I once read somewhere the best way to go about this kind of thing but I can't recall it at the moment. Did you do this through eBay? If so then they may be able to help. If not, try contacting them and seeing if they will give some suggestions on where to start. Even though it is unfortunate that people are this dishonest, I am certain that they have dealt with this before and know how to get started on the right track.

Good luck! Hope you get your man.

1 - authorities...
2 - lawyer

they will find him...
it took me 12 months, but they found the guy i was after...
lawyers duked it out and settlement was made.. in my favor of course...

it can be done... it may take time...

man i hope you get this guy :mad:

j.
www.subiegal.com

Originally posted by Imprezer
If I did, I would send my 400lbs Samoan friend who has tattoos all over his body and looks like he is from WWF over to that guys address. When I was first introduced to him, I was THAT close to having a heart attack. ;)

I like that Idea...if you had the adress of course:D Seriously though call the police and tell them your situation. I used to have to deal with this stuff quite frequently when I worked at a specialty watch store.

Russian Mafia. The guy's got kneecaps, right?

Seriously though, to get back $3K, I'd call a detective agancy/lawyer/bounty hunter type, or at least look into what those guys could do for you. That's a lot of rubles, comrade.

My brother lives in Brooklyn.......and he knows people.

**wink**

:devil:

All joking aside.

Most states have a consumer protection department that is part of the states Attorney Generals office. You can file a complaint with them. The will attempt to contract the individual. If they are unable to contact him and the price is as high as you say, they will file a warrant for him. He will be arrested and charged with fraud, and again if the amount is over $3000, maybe theft. I have a right to legal action against him. You best bet is to contact the states attorney general and follow the legal paths. Do not do anything malicious to him. If you need any more help, please feel free to email me. I have gone through this before, and am actually in the middle of this with a company back east.

Jeff

Actually, since the purchase originated over the internet, you should, and may have to, contact the FBI's division that deals with internet fraud. I had a similiar problem that I need to have resolved, but their website is a little tricky to navigate, it takes a bit of time once you get where you need to be on it, and my stupid computer doesn't like to stay on that long. Anyway, PM me and I will send you the address. I need to find it and unless I am PMed, I'll forget
:confused: :rolleyes: Me trying to remember what I had to do!

Later,
Pete

You mean too stupid? You're not being nice to anyone by letting them get away with ripping you off.

Good luck Imprezer, I hope his info (SSN, DL) is correct, you're pretty set if that's the case.

One way to possibly help get the word out that you're looking for the guy would be to contact local autox, rallyx, etc event organizers and warn them that the guy passes bad checks. Ask them to notify you if he shows up. I don't know if that is a viable solution for you but it's an idea nonetheless. My thinking is if he is an i-clubber he could be an event attender. Word travels fast when people are asked to lookout for someone who is skipping on debt. He at least wouldn't be able to show off whatever he just bought from you for 3k (turbo?)

I sent you a pm over this. You need to go to your District Attorneys office. If they prosecute hot checks they can pursue him and throw his bitch ass in jail and make him pay you restitution. In addition to adding a mark onto his record. Theft by check isn't a good thing to have on your record.

DrBiggly can attest: when somebody gets me pissed off at them, I get very even. How may I be of assistance, Alex?

{evil grin}

Where are the Migs!!! :p


Anyway, I dont know what you can do now any better than what anyone else has suggested... But I do know that you need to remember to check their acounts from the bank BEFORE you give them the goods from here on out man! :( In fact, make them go to the bank with you if its a check, and its pretty easy to tell if its not legit if they get up-and run on you :p

Originally posted by Rebellion
you've got an address ... we've got an i-club meet! :devil: :devil:

:lol:

hehe... some humor to a dreary situation...
gl getting the money... i agree with the people about trying the authorities... but try the authorities in HIS state... the authorities in your state probably can't do much.. :rolleyes:

and... as long as he is still in the US, and not in MD, he will be REALLY easy to find with DL and SSN... every state (except MD) takes SSN for DL.... :D

GL

Alex-

First, know this: Writing a bad check is a criminal offense, and is punishable by jail time. While we might not have debtors prison, the authorities can slam someone's arse in the big house for writing bad checks.

If the SS, and DL# are correct, this dude is screwed. Most likely you will have the police in your area contact the police in his area, and serve a warrant. It most likely will make him crap, possibly on the spot, and he will be very wise to give you your $3K or whatever part(s) back.

Call the cops, now. It's the simplest route. Hell, it's the only route, really. You're not going to get the feds involved on some mail/wire/internet fraud charges. I think they have more important cases right now. But your local boys will take a report, pass this on to detectives, and they will have this guy's location within an hour. They have the authority to run DL and SS#'s. I doubt any bank would allow people to print fake info on their checks.

For reason's I won't go into, let me just let you know how simple it is to collect on somone who has given you their SS#. Through my business, I've been on both sides. If you want details on how this works, just let me know. I can tell you that a check is a "bearer instrument" that constitutes a bilateral, and binding contract. With his SS#, you can go through the legal process, and freeze every bank account he has in whatever state he's in. EVEN if he doesn't answer a summons. The motion that allows you to do that allows you to remove funds from those accounts.

Anyway, I hope you first call your local police, non emergency #. Never hurts to get to know a few cops. THey should tell you what's up, and pass this on to a detective. I'd bet they'll handle it before you have to go through much of anything.

Josh
Once had a "very cold" bank account

Why don't you just say which member he is (you should exploit his ass...not help him).

Then offer an I-club member a reward (all you'd have to offer me is a ride in your car;)) if they know who he is and turns his name/address/whatever over to you. Someone must know him.

Then you could send your friends after him.:cool:

EDIT:
Or you could go Cartman style, and feed his parents to him!:devil: j/k

Originally posted by LttLDGN



and... as long as he is still in the US, and not in MD, he will be REALLY easy to find with DL and SSN... every state (except MD) takes SSN for DL.... :D

GL

NH doesn't, and in MA you can request a different # than your SSN. :)

Originally posted by m750


NH doesn't, and in MA you can request a different # than your SSN. :)

NC doesn't either and neither does MI or WA.

So whats the outcome?

If you have his SS#, get a couple of credit cards with his name on them, then go on a shopping spree for scooby mods!
Then when you're done shopping, destroy the cards and the subsequent bills.
You are in the clear, and he's out however much you can spend.

Not the nicest (or most legal) way to do it, but payback is a *****!

Well,

I'm not sure WHAT the situation was, but I wonder if this individual also committed fraud with other members of the board? It might be to your benefit to post his/her name.

There are people that specialize in finding someone - usually they just scour the internet, so I'd take that route yourself first. I find that searching for their name in quotes on Google does a wonder...

Ask the moderator to back trace his posts. Does the I-club have any info on the person. Some one on this board may know the person and help you find them.

Blue

Originally posted by m750


NH doesn't, and in MA you can request a different # than your SSN. :)

Yeah but in NH your DL# is your name and birthdate in this order....month of birth, first letter of your last name, last last letter of your last name, first letter of your first, year of birth, day in the month, and a 1 on the end. Go figure.;)
Tara

He really is not exaggerating. His wrath is nearly endless. But it takes a lot of ignorance and/or idiocy to tick him off so no worries if you don't do anything dumb. :)


Any luck on getting hold of the perpetrator? Or getting even?
:devil:

Originally posted by tcs007
If you have his SS#, get a couple of credit cards with his name on them, then go on a shopping spree for scooby mods!
Then when you're done shopping, destroy the cards and the subsequent bills.
You are in the clear, and he's out however much you can spend.

Not the nicest (or most legal) way to do it, but payback is a *****!

The only problem with this, is that this guy is most likely using someone else's SS#. You'd have to be mighty stupid to pull such a ballsy move while using your own SS#.

I wouldn't be surprised if the DL and SS were fake or someone elses. Not only that, but I'll bet check was stolen. This just happened to my friend and he ended up having to open up a new bank account because someone was writing checks from his account.

OTOH a person dumb enough to rip someone off like this often lacks the degree of intelligence needed to get away with it.

Good luck with this Alex...Let us know what happens.

$30,000 could be something worth while to get any actions against this guy, but just $3,000, i don't know if you will get any big support from anybody....
good luck

$3,000 is like $30,000 to a lot of people. Something will be done, it is federal law. It doesn;t discriminate over the amount

Eric

Alex, where'd you go? You call the cops yet? What is going on? And why do I care so much?

update??????

Yeah I want to know what is going on!?:)

is this guy dead yet or what?
AO

don't u track ip's ... can't u track that back to a service providor and then to a customer? Just a thought. I can't believe someone would rip off our prez. whats this club coming to

wOW. It's been quite some time on this one.

Wanna fill us in on what happened?

Dori Dori is rignt ?

Why don't you just say which member he is ?

Sorry for y !

Thats su... !

:mad:

Eric


note: 3k for canadian is like 300 000 $ !!!