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RonBang
09-23-2006, 01:29 PM
Well it was my first time at the track and i sucked ass...iv never been on the track before my first run i got a 13.813 at 102.14mph my 60' was 2.420 and my next run i messed up lining up and couldnt get lined up right and i didnt get a time then i went home...ill get better if i keep going right...cause im stage 2 protuned sti and 13.8 i think sucks ass...i gotta learn to launch better what ya think?

turbo tecnica
09-23-2006, 01:37 PM
Well yeah, the more you practice the better you'll do. I haven't seen anyone go out there and cut a 1.6 60' time their first time at the track. My first time at the track w/ my stock STi I ran 14.0, 13.8, then 13.3.... next time there I had pulled a couple 13.1's, with some 1.7 60' times. Stage 2 was better than that. Just get your 60' down and you'll be fine. Judging from your trap, your shifts seem to be fine... just the 60' is bad. Aim for a 1.7~ and you'll get there. Protuned stage 2 should be running 12's all day long. What was your launch technique?

Edit: Forgot you werent stock... that trap is low for a protuned stage 2.. so maybe your shifts are strugging as well.

559to916
09-23-2006, 01:41 PM
yup :D. My first time i was running 14's w/ stage 2. My last run was for the night was a 13.3. Not too bad for the first time but i was expecting a little better. Launching is probably the most important part. You will need good shifts as well.

RonBang
09-23-2006, 01:44 PM
I was shifting at like 6500...i meant to be shifting at around 5500 but i guess i was nervous and all phsyched up and just almost was redling it around 6500-6800...my launch technique well i had no technique...i guess im used to racing on the road from a stop light not all revved up...i kinda bogged out the first time...ill do better next time I HOPE

vanskater
09-23-2006, 01:47 PM
launch form about 3k and dont hold it there. to get confiterbal
because can spool ur turbo if you keep going form about 2k to 4k

soon2bblackongold
09-23-2006, 02:08 PM
^^^^huh?

Sypher
09-23-2006, 03:50 PM
Protuned Stage 2 STi only trapping 102? Damn dude even with that horrible horrible horrible launch I would think youde trap alot higher then that. And dont listen to bozo up there launch at 4500-5k

jigga
09-23-2006, 03:55 PM
I was thinking the same thing.. trap speed is low. In other words, you are missing a few horsies under the bonnet

RonBang
09-23-2006, 05:52 PM
i wasnt really revving when i launched...cause i wasnt sure on what was going on and stuff...

turbo tecnica
09-23-2006, 11:27 PM
My launch technique when I had my car was blipping the throttle between 4500-5000rpms, and slipping the clutch very fast (basically letting off it as fast as you can)... trying to be on an "up" rev when letting off the clutch. Netted a lot of 1.7 60's. Not sure what the crazy 1.6 and 1.5 guys do, but that way worked for me. 1-2 shift, shift at 7000 (I don't think you have time to react otherwise anyways), 2-3 I did 7000 as well, and then 3-4, 4-5 I had my shift light set at 6600rpms. My best with an off-the-shelf Cobb stage 2 with stock catback was 12.8 @ 106, so you should be able to better that with a Protuned setup. Good luck and have fun

V6TurboTA
09-24-2006, 12:50 AM
My launch technique when I had my car was blipping the throttle between 4500-5000rpms, and slipping the clutch very fast (basically letting off it as fast as you can)... trying to be on an "up" rev when letting off the clutch. Netted a lot of 1.7 60's. Not sure what the crazy 1.6 and 1.5 guys do, but that way worked for me. 1-2 shift, shift at 7000 (I don't think you have time to react otherwise anyways), 2-3 I did 7000 as well, and then 3-4, 4-5 I had my shift light set at 6600rpms. My best with an off-the-shelf Cobb stage 2 with stock catback was 12.8 @ 106, so you should be able to better that with a Protuned setup. Good luck and have fun

This is good advice.

Last night I launched my car at 4500 but I held the rpm steady there for about 5 seconds before I went.(i used to do the blip blip method in the WRX and it worked great, but I feel the STi with a much larger amount of torque available off boost does not need to be blipped [but it wont hurt im sure]) I did the quick drop clutch method (but not as quick as in my wrx iirc. It was more of a quickly dropping the clutch to the engagement point, then waiting for the car to start moving before quickly comming the rest of the way up on the clutch.
*I would be willing to bet that if this technique is done incorrectly you can fry your clutch EASILY. Especially if it has some decent miles/abuse on it.* noobs might want to practise this before going buck wild cause you can smoke the stock clutch and quickly be out a grand or so. I suggest you try it from a lower rpm without dragging the hell out of the clutch until you get the hang of it. Or you can do what I did in my WRX which was to practise this technique in the rain as it will not have as much traction and you will be much more likely to spin your tires as opposed to smoking the clutch.
This netted me a 1.77. I shifted a little higher than normal, but if you are stage 2 you might want to be shifting lower. It all depends on the powerband of the car.
Most of the time I shift my cars by feel, not by the numbers. I usually run pretty well so I feel that it works very well.

~v6

turbo tecnica
09-24-2006, 12:56 AM
Yep first time I was at the track I recall smelling clutch a couple times.... worst smell. After I got my technique down, I wasn't smelling it after that. I wish I got to hit the track when I was protuned with alky injection, but my clutch was slipping and my 5th gear synchro was pretty shot. Would've been hell to try and race that at the track.

V6TurboTA
09-24-2006, 12:57 AM
my 5th gear synchro was pretty shot.


Whats a 5th gear syncro? You mean its not supposed to go "CRRRRRRRRUUUUNNNNCH" when you shift? :lol: ;)


~v6

turbo tecnica
09-24-2006, 01:05 AM
Whats a 5th gear syncro? You mean its not supposed to go "CRRRRRRRRUUUUNNNNCH" when you shift? :lol: ;)


~v6

Haha man that synchro sucked. I didn't know it was a problem with the '04 STi's til I already had work done. I would've gotten it covered under warranty if I had still been stock, but I don't think dealerships take too kindly to a 1-gal tank in the trunk with alky in it. I had one or two runs where I had run like 13.0 @ 96 or 97mph due to a crap 5th gear shift thanks to that synchro haha

V6TurboTA
09-24-2006, 01:10 AM
:lol: Why thats a normal thing for 04's? You think I can get it fixed under warranty? The car is 99.97% stock.

That would be a dream come true.


also I brought my car in for service ONCE and they must have done something to it. The car would NOT come out of first gear without a SERIOUS yank when i picked it up and the syncros have been screwed since. Probably the same guy that took me for a test drive and redlined my car twice before letting off the cltuch too soon and hitting the limiter before letting off the gas! :mad: Stupid ass... He also told me he would "Show me how to drive, teach me to double clutch and all that" which he CLEARLY had no idea what he was talking about. Then suggested that I tell the hot secratary that I "scared him" and "wont get back in the car with him" :huh:

I'll go back there soon....





NOT!

~v6

turbo tecnica
09-24-2006, 01:15 AM
I had done some searches on the 5th gear synchro, and noted from others that if it's still under warranty, they should replace it for you. I only had about 23k~ on the car when I had to get rid of it, so I was still well under warranty. I believe they all come with a 36k warranty? If you're basically stock (K&N filter shouldn't matter... if the tech says it does... end his existance instantly) you should be able to.

V6TurboTA
09-24-2006, 01:15 AM
I'll have to keep that in mind. Thanks for the info.

~v6

turbo tecnica
09-24-2006, 01:18 AM
I'll have to keep that in mind. Thanks for the info.

~v6

No prob, hope you can get it fixed. Wish I could have. When I got the estimates for my clutch job and synchro, I became mentally paralyzed for a few days and then decided that $2k worth of work, plus saving for a down payment on a condo, amongst many other financial goodies, and decided to part out and trade in. Too bad. I miss the 1.7 60's!

Sypher
09-24-2006, 04:06 AM
**** Imma make a how-to video on how to launch here pretty soon. I used to be HORRIBLE at launching till I just said **** it and stopped listening to everyone and did it my own way. And yah know what it worked 1.599999 BIOTCHES. 4500-5000RPM with constant blipping and watch your boost gauge, when you let off make sure you let out gradual and fast, with constant pressure lifting your foot. Meaning be smooth, dont bang off(if that makes sense).As soon and I mean as soon as you feel the car move go back on the gas full throttle. This is a "running the clutch" technique and you shouldnt get any wheel spin if the track is prepped well. This'll work with a WRX idk about an Sti though, but worth a shot.

V6TurboTA
09-24-2006, 07:38 AM
**** Imma make a how-to video on how to launch here pretty soon. I used to be HORRIBLE at launching till I just said **** it and stopped listening to everyone and did it my own way. And yah know what it worked 1.599999 BIOTCHES. 4500-5000RPM with constant blipping and watch your boost gauge, when you let off make sure you let out gradual and fast, with constant pressure lifting your foot. Meaning be smooth, dont bang off(if that makes sense).As soon and I mean as soon as you feel the car move go back on the gas full throttle. This is a "running the clutch" technique and you shouldnt get any wheel spin if the track is prepped well. This'll work with a WRX idk about an Sti though, but worth a shot.


Oh now its clear as day! :huh:

~v6

Turn in Concepts
09-24-2006, 10:15 AM
My launch technique for the sti. 6000-> dump clutch-> go. WOrks every time.

RonBang
09-24-2006, 03:45 PM
yeah ok bye bye clutch...

turbo tecnica
09-24-2006, 05:08 PM
Launching at 3000rpms or less isn't going to do you any good because it's going to cause a lot of drivetrain shock. It isn't enough to spin the tires on takeoff, so your tranny and drivetrain is eating it. Launching isn't good for anything, but you might as well make it worse on the less expensive parts (ie, the clutch).

Sypher
09-24-2006, 11:32 PM
Oh now its clear as day! :huh:

~v6

lol!!