Which one will you choose after two years?

I have already chosen the Evo VII. :cool:

Why settle when you can have both? Can you say 1 Rally X setup and 1 AutoX setup??? :D

STi, just a personal preference.

With Mitsu's reliability in the US and abroad the past few years I will choose the STi. (DUH:)) Well I had to come up with some reason! ;)

JJ
www.imprezawrxsti.com
All STi, All The Time

i would take STi if the price is the same.
so, i say the pricing is the major reason for me.
both are killer cars!!! kick ass monsters!!! :D :D :D

you know, if mitsubishi will have EVO5/6, i would take that rather than anything else, those two's stylings are much much better!

Originally posted by Raxy
I have already chosen the Evo VII. :cool:

It'll most likely be an VIII in two years, but get what you are trying to say. One things for sure... the roads are gonna be crazy once STI's and EVO's are running around spanking everyhting in their paths! :devil:

The real test will come when the prices are announced.

We can guess all day converting prices from British pounds, but when the rubber meets the road.....it will be interesting to see what price is on the windsheild.

This is just such good news for us enthusiasts, there has been so much boring crap on the roads for a while now. I am so glad to see any "real" cars get introduced here. I will be a happy day when manufacturers stop dumbing down cars for the North American market. Is anyone listening? We all don't want SUV's and Mini-vans!

You want to see crazy STi vs Evo battles? Take a trip to Hong Kong where these two cars burn up the streets like whoa!! The ratio of STi's and Evo's to other cars seems even greater than that in Japan (where drift cars like Silvias and Kei jidousha like Daihatsu Move's are more prevalent)!

Just an interesting bit of info. I read a recent Super Street that did a road test of the EVO VII and they did a conversion on the price, came out to around $38,000. That will obviousely change (I hope) Mitsu. will have to have EVO VII come in around $28K to $32K, any more and I don't expect to see very many around.

Any one know of any price rumors for the STi and when it is supposed to come out?

Originally posted by JDMScoob
Just an interesting bit of info. I read a recent Super Street that did a road test of the EVO VII and they did a conversion on the price, came out to around $38,000. That will obviousely change (I hope) Mitsu. will have to have EVO VII come in around $28K to $32K, any more and I don't expect to see very many around.

Any one know of any price rumors for the STi and when it is supposed to come out?

dude, expect both cars to be over $35K. to suggest twenty anything is just fooling yourself. Then there will of course be markup. I say you won't get one for less than $38-42K.

-C

The Evo will probably be only around 25K-30K when it gets here, Mitsubishi already had a pre-release group stunned when it displayed a supposed U.S. market EVO with AWD and a jaw dropping 183HP. Seems the U.S. car loses the intercooler...as with the bumper mount intercooler, the car could not pass the U.S. crash standards.

Rumor or fact, I do not know for sure...but the person who told me this has been rallying Mitsu's in the U.S. for 15 years...

183 HP!!! :lol: :lol: Yeah right.

The 2nd generation Eclipse turbos have 210 HP. I think its safe to say that the US spec Evo will have at least that 210 HP. I truly expect to see at least 250 HP though.

Perhaps he's referring to rwhp and not crank hp. Which would put it at roughly 25% more power than a stock WRX. :devil:

the Mazda RX-8! :)

oh wait, that's not one of the choices... hmm....

I think that Subaru and Mitsu will have to have the STi and EVO VII or VIII or what ever by that time in the high $20's to low $30's. Although seeing them begin in the $40's when they first come out will probablly be not too far off, some Honda dealerships wanted $45K - $55K for the S2000 when it first came out, a car that MSRP's a $32K. Highway ROBBERY, but don't count this out..... I think I'll buy used thankyou very much.

I also count on the EVO and STi being " dumbed down " for the N. American market, which we all know so much about anyway, but could be a factor in keeping the price reasonable.

Anyway enogh of my rambeling, anyone have any idea when the STi might come out??

:devil: EVO the rival :devil:

First of all. It is kinna stupid for Mitsu to try selling the Evo above $30 grand in the state. Yes the car pack with high performance parts, but it is still a japanese car and it is a small car, and so does the WRX.

Put your self in your pocket. Do you think you want to buy a small car for $35 grand + luxury tax + tax + licensed, instead of getting other thing ?

Enthusiast will defiantely buy at any price, but if you look it that way, then Subaru and Mitsu will loose profit, since the general market wont buy it since it is to expensive. And those car manufacturers perhaps will not continue selling those cars if their sale target wont make the mark.

Just my thought.

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Carves-
"... now where is that Evo again ?"

What does car size have to do with anything? I dont think anyone says "you know what I'm not putting that much money down for a porsche 911 unless they make it bigger."

Subaru and DSM will more than likely treat the STi and EVO like Honda did with the Type R, make a smal, limited, numbered run every year. They both already have the base cars, Lancer and WRX or RS which is where Subaru and DSM will make their $$ I don't think that there will be much profit at all for the factory with the STi and EVO. I was thinking about this and now I don't think I could afford one untill around two years after they come out, or I can find one in the low $20's ( I'll just keep dreaming ) their vaule will stay pretty close to new. ( if they are numbered in limited production ):o

1. I don't think that mitsu would sell the Evo w/ less Hp than the old eclipse turbos. I'm sure they could get at least WRX power.

2. I choose, STi. Subaru is better. Mitsu sucks.:p

Boxters rule and Evo's drool.

What kind of problems have USDM Mitsu's been experiencing? I'm in Canada and we don't get Mitsu's unless they are imported.

Don't forget that EVO trannies are very strong... heard a story about a near 600HP 10.x second EVO with a stock gearbox! I wouldn't try doing that with a stock Scooby tranny!

They have very strong trannies but the clutches supposedly suck.... oh well, it's much cheaper to get a clutch than a tranny replaced! :p

If USDM Mitsu's are prone to bad electronics then I would worry because the EVO line is chock full of electronics and would probably cost a small mint to fix if something goes wrong outside of the protective warranty bubble.

I read that Mitsu's record was blemished by some event not so long ago wrt to warranties/recalls but I can't remember what that was exactly. Anyone?

The problem that Mitsu had recently was a JDM market issue, IIRC. It had something to do with fudging warranty claim #s so that they weren't forced to enact a recall, or something along those lines. The 1G DSMs had electrical problems, 2Gs didn't seem to have those problems. I expect the Evo to be cheaper than the STi when it comes over. Remember, the Evo has to compete with the STi and the regular WRX. I would expect the base price for the Evo in the high 20K range and base price for the STi in the low 30Ks.

- Trent

The EVO7 and STiV7 are selling in other parts of the world right now and IIRC the EVO is more expensive. I would fully expect that trend to continue... if these beasties show up here true to their global form. I sure hope they don't start manufacturing the EVO at Chrysler plants.

In Japan, the Evo VII is some $2000 cheaper than the STi. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The price of the STi, if and when it comes to the US, will be directly proportional to how much of the goods they subtract and/or degrade from the domestic version. This is how it has always worked, I don't expect the STi to be any different. I, personally, would be willing to pay a premium for a left-hand version of the domestic car, as it was intended to be.

That said, I will be first in line to buy one, regardless. I just hope that Subaru will remember that the WRX is the car for the pocket-rocket-craving masses and the STi is really supposed to be the elite level.

Just to stay on-topic, I think the same is applies to the Evo. I would rather have a non-watery version and pay a little more

I think that the STi will closely resemble the model that the rest of the world gets to play with. I think that they might replace the brembo's with regular STi calipers, but as far as everything else I wouldn't be surprised to see the car close to the jdm version. Don't forget the evo is coming and will be here around oct 02 according to scc. And that will have more power than the wrx and the STi has more power than the evo and you know subaru won't want to be out done on this.

why would you want a sti? i dont know why you would want to spend that much on such a orginal car when you can pick up a wrx, spend 4.800 get a cobb tunning RT Spec High Output System (Stage 2) with 320 hp, 0-60 in 4.35 sec 12.8 at 108.3 on the quarter mile, thats insane... pick up a new clutch plate, new tires, maybe up grade the suspension and you got a corvette killer for far less. dont do the sti people! go aftermarket tunning!

I dont think you understand........ not everyone has $5000 to $7000 to just throw at a brand new WRX just so it can compete with the supposedly coming STi. Plus by the time its all said and done you'll have spent just as much if not pretty damn close to what the STi will cost anyway. The STi will and doses where its avaliable, have a mistique higher than the WRX because its a rare factory street monster, not something seen every day, can't beat a factory warranty with that kind of performance either.
Just my .02 cents on that.

no no no. For the small difference in price you get a car with alot more potential. The STi has a six speed that can hold alot more power than the stock wrx tranny. Much better brakes, suspension, variable valve timing on the intake track. A larger intercooler, water jets to spray the intercooler, projection headlights and a ton of other parts. I don't know about alot of other guys but I want the most bang for the buck and the car with more power stock, cause there is only so much you can do before you void your warranty and I don't have that kind of money to throw away the warranty on the motor.

jesse370: you put it alot better than I did, thats exactly what I was trying to get at. The WRX is already a grrat value, but the STi will be outstanding, highend Porshe (sp?) performance for 1/4 the price.

I hate the styling of Evo, so it would be STi all the way, for me. Plus, then I wouldn't have to sell my stylin' SWRT jacket. :lol:

As an aside, there's a thread above this one (again, rumors) that the Evo will get a different engine for the U.S. spec. My guess, should this transpire, is that this is because of emissions issues. This also seems to be a problem with the STi, from what I've been hearing/reading.

Mind you, if either of those cars come in at $35K and it were my money, I'd buy an S4. The new one is supposed to be even faster and cooler than the current one, for not much of a price tick. Every time I ride in an S4 I want one...for as long as it takes me to get into my WRX, that is. :D I like having that money in the bank.

Kevin

As far as the STi getting a different engine for us, no way. The only real difference between the STI and the wrx is the variable valve timing. And I really can't see that making the car fail emissions. THe wrx is a lev and I am sure that the STi could be too.

An Evo VI showed up at the AutoX yesterday with a professional race car driver behind the wheel, complete with a wife (with aftermarket headlights ;) ) Needless to say he stole the show... I have pics at this LINK (http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112962)

Mario

Originally posted by In2Deep
An Evo VI showed up at the AutoX yesterday with a professional race car driver behind the wheel, complete with a wife (with aftermarket headlights ;) ) Needless to say he stole the show... I have pics at this LINK (http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112962)

Mario

Of what? The EVO VI or the aftermarket headlights? :p

Don't think I wasn't trying to take pics of the headlights... but couldn't because Porsche914boxer4's tongue was always in the way... :lol:

You want to see crazy STi vs Evo battles? Take a trip to Hong Kong I just got back from a few days in HKG. I saw hot Skylines everywhere and a few EVOs, but only one lonely Suby - an old school WRX.

-Mark

Originally posted by jesse370
As far as the STi getting a different engine for us, no way. The only real difference between the STI and the wrx is the variable valve timing. And I really can't see that making the car fail emissions. THe wrx is a lev and I am sure that the STi could be too. In order to sell it here it'll have to have the preturbo cat. I wonder how many ponies that will kill?

-Mark

... and in order to sell it here they have to relocate that not-exactly-fragile, beautiful, massive but non-crashworthy front mount intercooler.

That'll kill quite a few ponies... that combined with North American lower grade octane fuel, the addition of strategically placed cats and extra bumper strengthening front and back should collectively contribute to a slower car. Then of course, you actually have to make it happen, those things, among others, are certainly slowing down the certification process.