has anyone heard any kind of rumor or news whether or not the 2003 imprezas will have tiptronic on them?
thanks.
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I don't think alot of people know what tiptronic is. It's an only Mercedes term.

im sure people know what tiptronic is.
well if you dont its basically like a manual except there isnt a clutch. the new eclipse has it, and they call it the sport shifter i think?
i basically know how to drive stick, but i worry that laziness might kick in during those late late night drives.
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Well..........The Mercedes tiptronic is a auto with a gear shift. It still has a power robbing torque converter, and the shift quality sucks. It's long and soft just like a regular auto trans. I don't know about Mitsu's. I've heard there are some good systems out there.

I drove an A6 for a while with a tiprtronic system... (the subie dealer gave me an A6 as a loaner car... too bad they couldnt even fix the airbag prob and i wound up paying 550 to a local mechanic to fix it) anyways the Audi's tiptronic system was pretty fun to play with for a little while, but it just isn't nearly as fun as driving a real clutch. There's no feeling of satisfaction when i shift... i guess its because all you do is tap the shifter forward or backward a tiny bit :/ i'd rather drive with a clutch!

From what I have read most of these auto/manual systems will actually shift for you if you forget to shift while in manual mode, so really they are not truly manuals, in the sense that you can redline and hit a revlimiter. Personally I think they are lame and would hate to see subaru go that route with their cars.

I drove a CLK55 AMG, and I didn't even notice if it had a tiptronic setting, but let me tell you, that transmissions shifts faster than I can shift my WRX. It is awesome. Thats my favorite auto.
-A

I wouldn't mind having a semi-auto WRX. It's better than relying on some subjective calibration of "sporty"

As for automatically shifting, that's a good feature, you just lock it in the semi-auto mode and it'll bang up to the high rpm's before it shifts for you. It's essentially the Sport^2 mode.

All new Benzs have tiptronic. There better than a regular auto, but not as good as a stick!:D

I am almost positive that "Tiptronic" is a trademark of Porsche.

We could have fun listing all the other manu-matic terms, but Tiptronic belongs to the boys from Stuttgart.

I have driven a 911 with it and despite the cars awesome brakes and handling the transmission was horrible. If you left in in automode it would have you in 4th by about 65 km/h! YUK!

The shifts using the tiptronic were not smooth and not immediate. Not acceptable in my books.

Who cares really! Don't be a mindless wanker and learn how to drive stick. If you don't know, go rent a car for the weekend and teach yourself.
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I don't know about Porche, but I'm positive Benz uses the term tiptronic. I'm an auto tech for Mercedes.

We could have fun listing all the other manu-matic terms.
Acura = SportShift

Aston Martin = Touchtronic

BMW = Steptronic

Chrysler / Dodge = AutoStick

Ferrari = ? (their's is a clutchless manual, not a shiftable auto)

Hyundai = Shiftronic

Land Rover = Manual Mode Shift ? (this is actually BMW's Steptronic that was developed prior to Ford's purchase)

Lincoln = Select Shift

Mercedes = Touch Shift

Nissan / Infiniti = ?

Toyota / Lexus = ?

Porsche = Tiptronic

Volvo = Geartronic

VW / Audi = Tiptronic; licensed from Porsche (Audi CVT = Multitronic)

i feel like mentioning...

for the most part, the only people who make a real automatic manual is Ferrari, and BMW (only on the new M3, though). Those guys actually put hydraulically controlled clutches in their cars.

Most of the rest are just automatics, they just let you choose a shift point that you like, rather than totally going with the car's choice. but they still have the mushy torque converter...so it's kind of a waste, if you ask me.

As stated above, Mercedes does not use the term, nor the transmission, called Tiptronic. VW/Audi/Porsche use it.

Maserati and Austin Martin also have auto manuals.

All of these replies, and nobody even answered the original queston. :p

Scoobyboy - Sport-shift (or whatever the heck you want to call it) has been available in Japan for several years now. Haven't heard anything about it coming to North America though.

WRXFan wrote:
Who cares really! Don't be a mindless wanker and learn how to drive stick. If you don't know, go rent a car for the weekend and teach yourself.
I believe you are the mindless wanker. :rolleyes: How can you say that and you don't know anything about this person? I've been driving manuals for 12 years. However, because of a worsening condition of Chondromalacia patella, my next Sube will likely be an automatic.

Dennis

Not to sound ig'nent, but what is "Chondromalacia patella".. Just curious! Thanks - Sean

oh come on sean, didn't you ever go to school?!? they taught that to us in the 2nd grade.
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j/k - umm, that Chondromalacia patella is a knee problem people have. i don't have it but i assume that it could make it painful with a stick shift with all the clutch action you'd have to do ( especially if you had a stiff clutch ).

Originally posted by ScoobyBoy
has anyone heard any kind of rumor or news whether or not the 2003 imprezas will have tiptronic on them?
thanks.
:D

As bluesubie stated, it's available in Japan....
If you go to the japanese website:

http://www.subaru.co.jp/impreza/wrx/index.html

and go to the \mechanism\transmision section, you'll see a picture of the 4-AT called "Sport Shift E-4AT", where, similar to IS300 has two gates, one is the traditional automatic, and to the left of this gate, a simple + and - . Also, there is a + and - button on the steering wheel... I think this is something in the line of what you're talking about, right?



I'm attaching the screen shot, if it works:
http://www.me.berkeley.edu/~satrya/pics/temp2/transmission.jpg

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I work on Tiptronic trannies on Benzs everyday. I've been to many factory training courses for Merecedes, for over several years, and It's always been called Tiptronic!!!:o

Dude, I don't want to jump into this debate.. But as far back as I can remember Tiptronic has always been a Porsche/Audi/VW thing... I went on the MB website and they call their system "Touch Shift"...

Here is their site

http://www.mbusa.com/brand/index.jsp

-Sean


Originally posted by LVSUBARU
I work on Tiptronic trannies on Benzs everyday. I've been to many factory training courses for Merecedes, for over several years, and It's always been called Tiptronic!!!:o

Not to sound ig'nent, but what is "Chondromalacia patella".. Just curious! Thanks - Sean
Do a search on Google. :p
Just look here (http://veggie.org/run/chondromalacia/).

Dennis

Well, if anybody want to buy one, I saw a website for a UK breaker that has the "tiptronic" system out of a B4 for sale.

-S

Wow! Opusguru, you're right! The web site says Touch Shift. We call it Tiptronic in the shop. And that's what all the service manuels say. I'm gonna have to ask somebody about that.
They're all still automatics.....except Ferrari.

You know what it probably is.. "Tiptronic" was probably the most widely used auto-stick system at first, so every one in industry calls it Tiptronic.. Like how we call copy machines "Xerox" machines, and cola "Coke"... I would expect this to especially hold true for the german brands... It's all the same damn "useless" thing no matter what ya call it ! :) You should be buying manual in the first place!!

-Sean

Or even Rollerblades.... a term that covers all in-line skates.

--kC

I agree.

Manual transmissions are basically the only way to go with just about any car. More fun. :D (And the many other benefits.) Plus, once you get a stick, shifting and downshifting manually doesn't feel like extra work--it becomes totally second nature.
Also, Subarus are RALLY cars--you WANT to have the control that a true stick and a foot-operated clutch give you. Clutchless manual transmissions (like those found in some Ferrari's, etc.) are good for straight acceleration on a street, since these special transmissions operate the clutch more quickly than your foot would (shaving a few milliseconds off acceleration times), but in a rally or other similar situation, a pure manual is best.
As for Porshce's Tiptronic and other similar transmissions, they steal power and are less fun--l0s3z0rz :mad:

Also, Subarus are RALLY cars--you WANT to have the control that a true stick and a foot-operated clutch give you. Clutchless manual transmissions (like those found in some Ferrari's, etc.) are good for straight acceleration on a street, since these special transmissions operate the clutch more quickly than your foot would (shaving a few milliseconds off acceleration times), but in a rally or other similar situation, a pure manual is best.


Letter from SWRT
30 April 2004

Unlike the Impreza road car with its standard gearbox and differentials, the Subaru Impreza WRC2004 has a six-speed, semi-automatic transmission system with electro-pneumatically 'active' differentials at the back, front and centre. The gearbox uses fly-by-wire technology so that Petter or Mikko can shift gear using a paddle located behind the steering wheel. Pulling it away from the dash moves the 'box up a gear, while pushing it away selects a lower ratio. The transmission system allows the WRC driver to change gear in 40 milliseconds, 10 times faster than on a road car.


post digging is bad ...mmkay...

Holy mother of bumps! :eek:

....and he just joined within the last three hours. Way to go, guy. Nice entrance.

You've been warned....

Manual transmissions are basically the only way to go with just about any car. More fun. :D (And the many other benefits.) Plus, once you get a stick, shifting and downshifting manually doesn't feel like extra work--it becomes totally second nature.
Also, Subarus are RALLY cars--you WANT to have the control that a true stick and a foot-operated clutch give you. Clutchless manual transmissions (like those found in some Ferrari's, etc.) are good for straight acceleration on a street, since these special transmissions operate the clutch more quickly than your foot would (shaving a few milliseconds off acceleration times), but in a rally or other similar situation, a pure manual is best.
As for Porshce's Tiptronic and other similar transmissions, they steal power and are less fun--l0s3z0rz :mad:

Holy mother of bumps! :eek:



My thoughts exactly!