http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/10/31/2007-honda-civic-mugen-si-sedan-revealed/

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/1-2007-honda-civic-mugen-si-sedan.jpg

you should've just posted it in the existing thread about the Mugen Civic Si:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1126270&highlight=mugen

you should've just posted it in the existing thread about the Mugen Civic Si:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1126270&highlight=mugen

I was surprised I didn't see it here, now I know why.

For the money the dealers will be asking for it, I'd rather buy an Evo or STI

w0w, thats just ignorant. its a frigg'n 30k civic. what is the point?
oh yeah, I forgot... mommy and daddy will pay 600 dollars a month for your civic for you.

w0w, thats just ignorant. its a frigg'n 30k civic. what is the point?
oh yeah, I forgot... mommy and daddy will pay 600 dollars a month for your civic for you.

30k for a Impreza? What is the point?


See how it feels? People are into different types of cars, stop hating just because Honda wants to sell a upgraded version of the Civic.

I dont see the point for a 30k impreza. Thats why I will never buy a new car....
I didnt pay half that for mine.

Buy your car cheap, mod it the way you want it. Buying a cookie cutter expensive econo car defeats the purpose.

30K civic = 20K civic + wheels, suspension and body kit

35K impreza = 25K impreza + wheels, suspension, body kit, big brakes, 6 speed transmission, Active center diff, front LSD, upgraded rear LSD, larger turbo, reworked head, better exhaust and HID headlights.


Seems like your 10K gets you alot more when you spend it with subaru.
I love the new civic Si, but that mugen package is a rip off.

Hondas are very nice cars..imo...I have one and enjoy it more on a daily basis than my Subaru...yeah its a Honda but its fast, yeah its fwd but its fast, yeah its an H-Badge but Honda quality is bar none...subarus are very nice cars as well, I lover both my Suby and my Honda but am just fond of my 240 (it hasn't gotten the royal treatment yet)


If they put Brembos on it I would be sold...oh and white...with HID's

30K civic = 20K civic + wheels, suspension and body kit

35K impreza = 25K impreza + wheels, suspension, body kit, big brakes, 6 speed transmission, Active center diff, front LSD, upgraded rear LSD, larger turbo, reworked head, better exhaust and HID headlights.


Seems like your 10K gets you alot more when you spend it with subaru.
I love the new civic Si, but that mugen package is a rip off.

Well said. I'll even add it's easy to get an STI for well under 35K.

Sharp looking Civic though.

But think about the MPG!!! I want my MPG!!!! oh wait, that's slogan for Toyota...hehe. Anyway, the new civics are really nice...the interior is top notch and it's a cool looking car!

Why did they choose to make the special-edition model a four-door? The coupe has better lines in the rear--this just looks like a rental car with a big wing on the back.

i actually kinda like it.. my roots are with hondas :cool:

any word on the power? who makes the wheels? i see the interior has the classic 'type r' red stitching.. and the rear end kinda reminds me of the TL.. with a bigger wing..

eh just answered my own question...

Most of the MUGEN changes are provided for handling improvements and visual enhancement, which means the 197-horsepower, 2.0-liter i-VTEC four-banger from the base Si was left untouched. The six-speed manual transmission has also been carried over. What's new is a unique cat-back exhaust system that lessens back pressure and, subsequently, improves the engine's power curve. Under the skin is a track-tuned suspension system with sport-tuned shocks and springs, aimed at providing exceptional handling balanced with a comfortable everyday ride.

Honda should have gotten their act together about 5 to 6 years ago when the FWD market and Honda itself was still in the limelight. Those times are long gone for me as well as thousands of other serious enthusiasts who are spoiled with AWD turbo.

Too little, too late Honda.

too little?! the effort you moron..

(sorry.. had to throw in the mallrats quote)

nice looking car and you know the quality is top notch but Im just not feeling it for that kind of money.

Rob

30K civic = 20K civic + wheels, suspension and body kit

35K impreza = 25K impreza + wheels, suspension, body kit, big brakes, 6 speed transmission, Active center diff, front LSD, upgraded rear LSD, larger turbo, reworked head, better exhaust and HID headlights.


Seems like your 10K gets you alot more when you spend it with subaru.
I love the new civic Si, but that mugen package is a rip off.

+12345

Honda should have gotten their act together about 5 to 6 years ago when the FWD market and Honda itself was still in the limelight. Those times are long gone for me as well as thousands of other serious enthusiasts who are spoiled with AWD turbo.

Too little, too late Honda.

IDK about that, the dealers can barley hold on to these cars (current civic Si coupe). The demand for these cars is pretty high.

Honda should have gotten their act together about 5 to 6 years ago when the FWD market and Honda itself was still in the limelight. Those times are long gone for me as well as thousands of other serious enthusiasts who are spoiled with AWD turbo.

Too little, too late Honda.

:rolleyes:

Get off your high horse. The FWD market is still going strong. Especially with upcoming cars like the SI and the new Mazdaspeed 3.

IDK about that, the dealers can barley hold on to these cars (current civic Si coupe). The demand for these cars is pretty high.

Never said demand wasn't high. I just believe Honda dropped the ball on retaining it's customers who helped propel them to the forefront of the sport compact car scene in the '90s. I have owned 6 Hondas in the past 13 years.

:rolleyes:

Get off your high horse. The FWD market is still going strong. Especially with upcoming cars like the SI and the new Mazdaspeed 3.

I like my horses high- it gives me a clear view on where I'm heading- and who's behind me.

Just as I stated in my above post, I, like many others who have owned Type Rs and Civic Sis in the past, have moved on. It would have been nice if Honda used Acura as an outlet for some sick performance cars- that just hasn't been the case(excluding the NSX).

Yeah, I'm SURE someone who wants true sports car performance is going to buy an RDX. :rolleyes:

30K civic FTL

I don't want to agree with the asshats talkin crap, but honestly Civic Si for 30k is rediulous unless it hits 60 in under 5 seconds. FWD = ew my opinion pretty sure other people will enjoy it though. Knowing Honda I don't think they would put that thing up for sale at 30k.... but hell u guys say they are they must be.... Poor move on their part, but ima look more into this Mugen Si, check out some specs n stuff to get more knowledge then come back and stand by my word.

EDIT: God damn that is sucha high price for nothing special at all... personally i think its one ugly peice of machinery. haha. Looks like a snow plower in front, and the STi style wing is kinda odd looking on it... the body is just so boring, no curves at all.

Why did they choose to make the special-edition model a four-door? The coupe has better lines in the rear--this just looks like a rental car with a big wing on the back.

1) The Civic coupe is not available in the japanese market
2) MTEC/Mugen does aftermarket stuffs for JDM vehicles

I am kinda surprised Honda decided to bring this out, they could have brought out the US market only Civic coupe Type-R in its place.

1) The Civic coupe is not available in the japanese market
2) MTEC/Mugen does aftermarket stuffs for JDM vehicles

I am kinda surprised Honda decided to bring this out, they could have brought out the US market only Civic coupe Type-R in its place.

Wishful thinking.. That thing is probably faster than the s2000 :lol:

Honda should have gotten their act together about 5 to 6 years ago when the FWD market and Honda itself was still in the limelight. Those times are long gone for me as well as thousands of other serious enthusiasts who are spoiled with AWD turbo.

Too little, too late Honda.
I STRONGLY agree with this. Acura/Honda had such a stronghold on the import scene, but they still neglected to bring over their big guns for whatever reasons. It's bad enough that they shafted us by not giving us a proper Civic Type-R (which used basically the same motor as the RSX Type-S, already certified for the U.S.) or an RSX Type-R, yet they expect people to drop $30k in 2006 for a 197 hp Civic Si sedan? In a market where cars that price will eat it alive? Even cars several thousands less?

I was very much a Honda guy in my younger years, thinking they were the greatest creations ever. If this had been offered in 2000, I probably would've jumped on it, since at the time it would've obliterated most offerings at the time. This no longer applies after the first and second wave of factory turbocharged performance cars in the 21st century, which is why I have an Evo. And it's not like the Civic Si gets incredible gas mileage anymore either; 22/31 mpg (or 23/31, I forget) is decent, but I feel that it's on the thirstier side for a naturally aspirated 2.0-liter four-cylinder. The Golf GTI will eat it alive.

Just as I stated in my above post, I, like many others who have owned Type Rs and Civic Sis in the past, have moved on. It would have been nice if Honda used Acura as an outlet for some sick performance cars- that just hasn't been the case(excluding the NSX).

Yeah, I'm SURE someone who wants true sports car performance is going to buy an RDX. :rolleyes:

+1

RSX Type-S followed by the anemic Civic SI hatch and now this? This mugen civic is a total rip off. Bring over another real type-R rather than this crap. They are already fully devoloped FFS.

These kind of moves remind me of Ford. They have awesome cars(recent focus rs, old cogsworth comes to mind) in europe but what do we get? $46k shelby mustang...F-150 SVT...Focus SVT... blah.

I STRONGLY agree with this. Acura/Honda had such a stronghold on the import scene, but they still neglected to bring over their big guns for whatever reasons. It's bad enough that they shafted us by not giving us a proper Civic Type-R (which used basically the same motor as the RSX Type-S, already certified for the U.S.) or an RSX Type-R, yet they expect people to drop $30k in 2006 for a 197 hp Civic Si sedan? In a market where cars that price will eat it alive? Even cars several thousands less?

I was very much a Honda guy in my younger years, thinking they were the greatest creations ever. If this had been offered in 2000, I probably would've jumped on it, since at the time it would've obliterated most offerings at the time. This no longer applies after the first and second wave of factory turbocharged performance cars in the 21st century, which is why I have an Evo. And it's not like the Civic Si gets incredible gas mileage anymore either; 22/31 mpg (or 23/31, I forget) is decent, but I feel that it's on the thirstier side for a naturally aspirated 2.0-liter four-cylinder. The Golf GTI will eat it alive.

mazdaspeed 3 will eat both of em alive111:banana:

mazdaspeed 3? The base 2008 impreza will eat that car alive and cost 13,000 less!

mazdaspeed 3? The base 2008 impreza will eat that car alive and cost 13,000 less!

you're kidding right?

mazdaspeed 3 will eat both of em alive111:banana:

I agree, but this is a Honda. They will sell all they send. Put a cardboard box on wheels and badge it a Honda or Toyota and it WILL sell.

+1

RSX Type-S followed by the anemic Civic SI hatch and now this? This mugen civic is a total rip off. Bring over another real type-R rather than this crap. They are already fully devoloped FFS.


If I remember right, the EG (92-95) Civic Si hatch was faster than the EP3 Civic Si, and it gave up 35 hp. Let's hear it for weight. Even the 99-00 Si with the beloved B16 wasn't super fast in stock form (though it wasn't a snail). I've actually read some interesting reports about that car. From what I've heard, Honda had a bunch of B16's left over from the 94-97 del Sol VTEC that didn't sell very well (again, a weight issue...it was a poor replacement for the CRX, though a pretty cool car IMO), so they put it into the Civic to exhaust the supply.

From what I've been reading, the CTR is at 197 hp right now, which puts it at the same hp as the 06 Si. So there is no sizeable jump in performance between the model, and you get the (arguable) goofy hatchback. I mean, I'm not sure if they've done anything to to the body to reinforce it (similar to the chasis/body tweaks on a DC ITR vs a DC GSR), but still...most Type R's had a sizeable hp jump over their non-type R counterpart.

I agree with what's been said, Honda has dropped the ball IMO. My Accord is my first car and I love it to death, it's really brought me into the tuning world, and there are other Hondas that I wouldn't mind (Integra Type R comes to mind), but their new offerings, I dunno. I was eagerly awaiting the new Si becuase I was thinking it might be high up on my list to buy. Then I see what the bring out...a spaceship looking thing that still isn't a 14 second car in stock form. To add insult to injury, I was at the dealer a few weeks ago, and the sticker on all their cars was just a little over 25K. That's absolutely ridiculous since my friend paid 24K for his WRX wagon in Sept.

So anyways, that's why I registered here to learn about WRX's instead of learning more about the new Si. 227 hp > 197 hp.

Now only if Subaru would put HID in the base WRX :lol:

I've actually read some interesting reports about that car. From what I've heard, Honda had a bunch of B16's left over from the 94-97 del Sol VTEC that didn't sell very well (again, a weight issue...it was a poor replacement for the CRX, though a pretty cool car IMO), so they put it into the Civic to exhaust the supply.
That's really interesting, and it makes a lot of sense. It would've been cool if Honda had offered that engine in the hatchback.
I agree with what's been said, Honda has dropped the ball IMO. My Accord is my first car and I love it to death, it's really brought me into the tuning world, and there are other Hondas that I wouldn't mind (Integra Type R comes to mind), but their new offerings, I dunno. I was eagerly awaiting the new Si becuase I was thinking it might be high up on my list to buy. Then I see what the bring out...a spaceship looking thing that still isn't a 14 second car in stock form. To add insult to injury, I was at the dealer a few weeks ago, and the sticker on all their cars was just a little over 25K. That's absolutely ridiculous since my friend paid 24K for his WRX wagon in Sept.
I also had an Accord as my first car... a 1995 Accord EX coupe with the F22 SOHC VTEC motor. Originally I had planned to swap in an H22A Prelude motor, but that got completely canned once I went to college. I was really interested in the 2006 Civic Si when information first started to leak, but when I started reading about all of the performance specs, I wasn't impressed. And the $9k dealer markup wasn't very pleasing either.

I also had an Accord as my first car... a 1995 Accord EX coupe with the F22 SOHC VTEC motor. Originally I had planned to swap in an H22A Prelude motor, but that got completely canned once I went to college.

OT: I'm still toying with putting the H in mine. The JDM H22 with the LSD tranny should be good for mid 14's with proper tuning and some good driving. Not really fast per say, but definitely a great way to cap off a 6 year run with the car before I pick up a WRX once I get a job after college. (The H would be my graduation gift to myself) Actually a few of my friends that have Accords are getting some impressive numbers out of them using turbo parts sourced from DSM's. 8.8:1 and an iron block makes for some good potential. People are figuring out how to make the non-VTEC and VTEC DOHC heads swap onto the SOHC blocks now as well.

On topic:

If Honda wanted to build a 30K Civic and sell it in America, I think they should have brought the Mugen Civic Dominator into production. It's got the K20a, but it's supercharged, which makes it good for 300 ps.

http://www.carview.co.jp/tas/2006/just/mugen_c_civic_dominator/images/01_l.jpg

Mugen Civic Dominator (http://www.mugen-power.com/concept/dominator/)

I'm sure many on here have seen the link already, so I apologize for any repost.

The car is way over priced...but @ only 500/year, I don't think it is really about the money. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing in the long-run, but it does give Mugen a good foot in the U.S. It may breed some good competition between manufacturers, BUT, some unfortunate competition between ricers.

$5 says this car will get ranked as the 2007 car most likely to be stolen.

haha.. civics and tegs are ALWAYS most likely to be stolen.. for the past 10 years integras have always been 1st or 2nd

thanks for that link 'this is not mike' i hadnt seen that yet

ill stick with my suby

Too much money for too little kit, but it's nice to see Mugen in the dealerships.

Especially considering Hirotoshi Honda *founded* the company, and all....