What if both car are turbo charged and with the same hp, say 250hp, which one would win if they drag?

By the way, for the celica is the 2001 model.

I would say 0-60 you would win. I think at about 80 mph he would catch you and start to pass you.

One would think the car wasting only 50% of its power to the front wheels would win.

Well, one of my friend owns a Celica GTS, and he's so confident that he'll still beat 2.5RS after both cars have turbo installed, and yet one of my friend who has a 2.5RS is really confident that he'll win after he gets a turbo installed. Basicly they've got a war going on now...

[This message has been edited by IBO (edited April 10, 2001).]

just tell your friend with the RS to run more boost. the RS will be able to run much more boost much more reliably that the GT-S, the GT-S will have trouble running ANY boost for long. even with only 250hp im gonna go with the RS, unless the GT-S driver is a really good driver. and the amount of torque the RS's get when they run boost is just retarded, 250 to 300+ lb-ft of torque coming in in and around 4000rpm in a 2800lb AWD drive car w/LSD is a force to be reckoned with.



[This message has been edited by SubyRacer (edited April 10, 2001).]

Just wondering... Can you do that on the 2002 2.5RS?? Since it's the same engine??

IBO: Most definatly

the 25rs would win, mostly due to the fact we have more tourque and can hold higher speed. also ive beaten stock gts celicas w/ my stock rs. and when i say stock i havent done anything to it.


peace out


nneves

so the they have turbo kits for the celica ?
i've went to to the celicachat at EZboard and searched "turbo" and found nothing..

SubyRacer: cool, but how do you know GTS can't take much boost ? cuz some honda 4bangers seems to do pretty well on the dragstrips(maybe it's just that there are too many of them, bound to be people that are fast http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif)

The GTS is 300~ Lbs lighter and they haul ass, it is a very fast car indeed. If both were turbo the only difference would be on how you start. If you both roll start or drag start. Your advantage would be in the later one but in a rolling start it will be hard to beat.
Efrain

Of course while both of you are wheezing away, the red s/c Mustang V8 would blast past by. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif
Why take a car which is not designed for drag to go dragging? The Impreza does much better in the twisties. but the GTS is no slouch either.

Off the line you'd obviously take him but later on it comes down to how well each car is tuned. People think you throw a turbo kit on and that's it. Those are the people that are dissapointed with dyno results and/or blow their motor up. Assuming both cars are tuned correctly (which is assuming a lot), I'd say the Celica would smoke the 2.5. HUGE weight advantage, plus higher redline and better gearing. The launch can only make up for so much.

Who gives a rats a$$! Throw them on the track both are more drivers cars than drag cars anyway! But I guess even people who can't drive need some way to race. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gifhttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Please not this again.....http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/rolleyes.gif

the GT-S will have trouble running ANY boost for long.


Oh yeah? Why is that? Any factual information to prove this statement? Why wouldn't the Impreza motor have the same trouble?

Skylab
*is in the dark*

N/A specs:

'01 Celica GT-S '02 Impreza 2.5 RS
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1.8L 2.5L
180 hp @ 7600 165 hp @ 5600
130 lb-ft @ 6800 166 lb-ft @ 4000
2500 lbs 2965 lbs

Do the math...
Turboed, I think the RS would kick the GT-S' ass, due to the torque alone. The weight wouldn't be that much of a factor with 250+ lb-ft torque pushing all four wheels.

-Chris

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Doesn't the gt-s have mad high compression? And besides it's pretty much tuned off the lot. Any sort of forced induction system would be a bad idea on the gt-s, unless you got different internals, but then why not just get a gs-r? But who cares, it's just a straight line, there's always a faster car. THe celica gt-s can't go do awd drifts in the dirt...so hah, faster or not we can still have more fun.

GTS has a VERY HIGH compression of 11.5:1. Running high boost is unlikely and unsafe on such high compression.

RS has 10:1 compression which should able to handle higher boost than GTS.

IMO, spending a similar amount of $ on turbo kits, RS will be much rewarding and should be able to edge out the turbo GTS.

what jason said. 11.5:1 is unbieveably high, (even the ITR only has 10.6:1 compression ratio) it would not far well to boost at all. and the tranny and engines its self are hardly strong enough to the stock power that the celica is putting out. the 6 speed transmissions especially need some help. i here about a lot of transmissions being blow in th GT-S with the cars bein stock and also here about vlaves cracking and springs snapping in stock cars after hard driving, cant wait to see whatll happen once you at 10 pounds of boost to that. the EJ25 how ever has been proven over and over again to be able to handle large amounts of boost very reliably. the RS's only problem also lies in its tranny, we also a have weak transimission, but ive never heard of an RS tranny being pushed to its limmit in stock when the car was just stock, more like after racing the car numberous times at 12psi, then eventually shredding 2nd gear with 280lb-ft of torque. yea soon as these turbos come out for the GT-S i predict many, many, many blown engines.

Ahh, I see said the blind man.http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/cool.gif

Sounds like a turbo on the Celica would need a good set of low compression pistons.


Skylab

I got 11.5:1 compression from Toyota.com (http://www.toyota.com/html/shop/vehicles/celica/specs/celica_specs.html)

That is awfully high for a street car.

[This message has been edited by Jason (edited April 11, 2001).]

Ive hrad bad things baout the celicas in general, warrped heads, cracked valves, stripped trannys, even a stripped, and shered drive shaft. Each insident from running boost or NOS.

The car just isnt designed to be a boosted engine. And the VVTi is no where close to being capable of handling boost properly. Plus the nuts on your chin compression isnt suited well to boost.

Pesonally i hate the stupid things. At least they arent Honduhs...which i suppose is a good thing. But its all jsut another rice boy dream no matter how you look at it.

I think if i where to mod a celica, i would uilt it as an N/A car, seeings as thats what the engine is built around as is. Same with Honduhs...ntohing beats the sound of a highly tuned N/A engine at full rev. Oh well, i guess i let the kiddies keep theur vortechs, and poorly "tuned" intakes, and noise maker exausts...ill build a real performance car.

Why, the bench racer with the bigger imagination will win, of course.

the RS, isn't toyota still having problems with the engine/tranny going boom? To many redline shifts while racing will nuke the GTS. The higher compression also gives it a hard time holding boost for a sustained time.

The Celica GT-S would win, plain and simple. Here's why:

Lets use this in the 1/4 mile. There is a guy at NewCelica.org who's name is BryanH. He used to run a 50 shot of Nos on his Celica GT-S (Which is R.I.P. BTW). He ran his best time of 13.12@106.97mph (http://www.newcelica.org/other/track/moreinfo.asp?ID=54) . I believe with his mods, he was running around 250hp. I believe a 2.5RS running at around 250hp couldn't run a time of 13.1. Also, his trap speed is pretty good and AdamRS running at around 15-17psi of boost in his 2.5RS was running around 108mph. At this boost, he is running well over 250hp.

The BryanH guy was running slicks so on street tires, chances are he would lose since with all the power and front wheel drive, he wouldn't be able to harness all that extra power.


That's why I don't care for hypothesis and theoretical situations. Get them together, let them run and let us know how everything goes. Given they both are running 250hp with no changes in suspension setup like drag slicks, I think the 2.5RS would win. There is just too many variable involved to make a good judgement on this though.

As far as turbos being made for a Celica GT-S, XS Engineering will sell you a turbo for your Celica GT-S for $6000 installed. Problem is only one person had it installed and they never ran it in the 1/4 mile. It was just a show car. Also, even when the kit is sold, there is some custom piping that needs to be added to it so it's not a complete kit.