I know, these cars have about a $10,000 price difference, but they both are about the same weight and HP. What I really want to know is the potential out of each motor! I'm trying to tell my wife that even though the WRX is lacking in the "flash" department (not what I think) with the money I save I can do a lot to it! What do you people think about the TT??

Who cares what you wife thinks!:lol: If you bought you car for performance then you made the right choice. If you want something that looks fast (TT) and wanted to make you wife happy, well sorry man you messed up. For ten grand you could do some serious mods to this car.

You right, f- her!!! This is my car!!! She can go to hell!!! Wish me luck in the next 2 weeks, when I go to pick up my 02 WRX.
Nice knowing you guys!:(

ROTFLMAO!

Originally posted by flegg
Nice knowing you guys!:(

Don't let the door hit you in the ....

All, I'm trying to figure out, is head to head, which is faster, the TT or WRX...also, what motor can you get the most HP out of!!!
That's it!

WRX is definitely faster. and has much more potential

They are evenly mached but its cheaper to mod a Suby.

MV

I believe that they both have the same potential in theory, but aftermarket tuning, the WRX takes the cake absolutely. You'll definitely be able to find a huge load of tuners for the REX, where there are very few, emphasis on the VERY FEW, aftermarket tuners/parts for the big TT. I like fancy overpriced bugs, but I love my WRX and the aftermarket potential. I think if you went to a TT forum though, they would say the opposite :lol: ...

$10k? more like a $17k difference for the AWD 225HP version...

all that for a car that is a fancy Golf/Beetle with Front Wheel Drive "UNTIL" the non-fancy Haldex system senses rear slippage and sends power back there... neat...

the 225hp version is pretty worked already... remember it has 0.2 less litres and not much racing heritage... you won't be pulling 300hp NEARLY as easy out of the TT...

It definitely has a stiff chassis and a very fancy interior... horrible, horrible resale value too!

If she really wants a german car tell her to get a real one like
the Benz SLK 32, that's one fast MF'r!

upside down bathtup or squashed Beetle, do you really think the TT is worth all its cracked up to be?

i'll pass,
RJ
just a regular mf'r tellin' it like it mf'n is...
:p

Around where I live the TT is mainly driven by yuppies and hairdressers. More of a posers car than a drivers car.
/Mikael

Audi TT has no back seat. My WRX can carry 4-5 people in a pinch, and I can fit all
Kinds of things (like a mountain bike with the wheels and seat removed)
into the trunk too. yes, its a 4-door sports car, as contradictory
as that sounds. you get similar performance with the option of carrying a lot more
people and gear. And my guess is that WRX ground clearance will save your ass
many times when you get some snow on the roads.

uh, guys the 225hp quattro TT weighs about 400 lbs more than the WRX. its not nearly as quick or nimble. the WRX would leave it in the dust, stock for stock.

the audi quattro weighs in at 3475lbs...
and usually gets lower places in the roadster tests vs the Z3, s2000, boxster and mercedes...
its fancy, but its the least "driver's car" from those, and less of a driver's car than the WRX...

Speaking of TT's... some old man was in one and kept staying even with me the other day. I swear he was instigating a race w/ a 20 year old! I would have gunned it but the road was under construction ahead so there was no way. But man, if it was all clear, I would have made him sell his car :) BTW it was a base model... :D

uhh. you have a car with a rally heritage! a little construction zone lacking asphault shouldn't stop you.

yeah why TT? if you want a real car, get a S4! Now you have the audi flash, and wrx like carrying capacity. I think that is what you need. Since you are welling to plop down the extra 17k, S4 is well worth it.

If you want German flash, save your $$$ from the Audi, answer:
330xi

...though...the Rex has way more potential...And 10K will buy you a lot... a lot of tuning that is :o....

--C

Drove it, the 225 hp version. MUCH more lag, nowhere near the kick when it finally does dial in, feels like you are riding in an upside down bathtub! The convertible is great but if you want to drive, it is not the car for you. Get the wagon!
BD

Originally posted by HongKongBeef
uhh. you have a car with a rally heritage! a little construction zone lacking asphault shouldn't stop you.

hehe, ya, I know... thing that sucks, the law in Cali says that a construction zone (most of them, anyway) has a 35mph speed limit.... and double fine for ANY offense! ouch! :D

The shameful thing about the VW TT is that it really does have the potential to be a fun car... but these things would have to be done...

1) The engine should be a 2.0 with a bigger turbo... the weak KKK K03 turbo is max'd too easily...

2) loose alot of that luxo stuff and ridiculous heavy metal trim inside and out... basically get the weight down to 3000-3100 lbs... at least!

3) put the real ALL the TIME Haldex system or MINI-quattro system in the dang thing...

4) shave about $8-10,000 off the price... It shares so much from the Beetle they really shouldn't have to charge that much to recoup the R&D and Manufacturing setup costs!

5) oh yeah, and put a real shifter in it... :P

RJ
woohoo!

TT looks nice but i read some reviews about them are not very impressive as thought to be Audi...


Ya i wish i have extra 10k to spend on aftermarket bodykits and mods!!!!!!! i'm jealous!!

for right now my wrx is naked hehehehe

If you are worried about looks, I'd get an S2000, or just wait a year for the 350Z. The TT is ugly IMHO.

Yeah, I too like the way the TT looks especially the convertibles.
It's eye-catching and definitely a status symbol. Sweet design
compared to the WRX.

I don't know about the performance / engine side though.

the tt feels downright sloppy. i test drove a couple of tt's when i had my wrx. the power wasn't too impressive, and neither was the handling. it felt heavy, and if you think the turbo lag in the wrx is bad...yikes...the tt wasn't much to brag about either. besides all that, you have 5 seats, a real trunk, enough room for a 6+ ft tall person and a superior AWD system...all for $10k less? what decision really has to be made? :confused:

We own both. Both are modified and both are driven quite hard regularly. The TT is a Mark I car, for the benefit of those who might know what that means.

Do any of you above read EVO? Happen to remember ECOTY results last year? Happen to notice where praise was lavished and where the criticism's fall? How 'bout the article comparing the TT Coupe with the GC8 Impreza Turbo? Remember those words?

Why is everything quoted above about sound bites and statistics read instead of fun quotient felt via seat of the pants? A "couple of test drives" makes an expert? If it was so bad, why drive more than one?

BTW, there are several mis-representations above..but what would you expect, I guess? About the same thing (and believe me when I say this isn't saying much) that you would get from the oposite side on the TT forum of AudiWorld.

There are weaknesses on both sides, quite different cars to be comparing. Haldex isn't my preference but "non-fancy" it most definitely is not. Anyone saying so lacks understanding.

If you'd like somewhat more objective commentary feel free to email me.

:)

JamesC
jcorell@cisco.com

If power is your top concern, forget about the 330xi, it was totally whooped in the shootout amoung the WRX, S4, and the 330xi. The S4 won overall by one poit, but if you look at the entire detailed score card, the WRX actually won. All catagories were scored between 7 and 10. One of the frea'n judges gave the WRX a 4 for aminities, which allowed the S4 to win out.

S4 and WRX performances are close. Add $1100 in mods to the WRX, and the S4 gets dusted.

Buy a TT only if you like the way it looks.

Originally posted by metoo
If power is your top concern, forget about the 330xi, it was totally whooped in the shootout amoung the WRX, S4, and the 330xi. The S4 won overall by one poit, but if you look at the entire detailed score card, the WRX actually won. All catagories were scored between 7 and 10. One of the frea'n judges gave the WRX a 4 for aminities, which allowed the S4 to win out.

S4 and WRX performances are close. Add $1100 in mods to the WRX, and the S4 gets dusted.

Buy a TT only if you like the way it looks.

add 1000 dollar into the S4, the wrx is toasted. :rolleyes: But I don't think that is what he is looking for.
If you want best of both worlds, which means between wrx and TT, get a S4. If you want to save 17 grand, get a wrx. If you don't care, get a TT.

Add a $1,000 of mod to an S4 = New Chip that pushes turbos to limits and power goes from 250 (arguably 265) to 307hp in a car that weighs 3600lbs...

If one were allowed to spend $1000 to improve the engine performance of the WRX one would only need to increase it by 40hp to achieve the same hp to weight ratio as an S4 with 307hp... I believe one can increase the WRX by 40hp for that amount and remain WAY more reliable than the S4 that was admittedly "rushed to market"... something that was told by more than one AoA person my friends and I have conversed with...

chalk another WRX sale up to me... I convinced ANOTHER S4 owner in Colorado to ditch his VW POS for a WRX...

RJ
hehehe... :lol:

I raced a chick in a TT on the 5 highway and that thing was slow... i was just blowing by her... it eventually got boring staying in front of her and i was just teasing her by letting her go in front of me and slowly catching up and waving at her...

Yeah, but the TT is a georgeous,
absolutely stunning combination of engineering, sheetmetal, and
aluminum.

If I had the bucks, I'd be toolin' around in a Turbo TT or a
Boxter S.

Since I'm a working guy like most of you,
I "settled" for a WRX:D :D :D

Originally posted by RocketJohn
Add a $1,000 of mod to an S4 = New Chip that pushes turbos to limits and power goes from 250 (arguably 265) to 307hp in a car that weighs 3600lbs...

If one were allowed to spend $1000 to improve the engine performance of the WRX one would only need to increase it by 40hp to achieve the same hp to weight ratio as an S4 with 307hp... I believe one can increase the WRX by 40hp for that amount and remain WAY more reliable than the S4 that was admittedly "rushed to market"... something that was told by more than one AoA person my friends and I have conversed with...

chalk another WRX sale up to me... I convinced ANOTHER S4 owner in Colorado to ditch his VW POS for a WRX...

RJ
hehehe... :lol:

Right, one can say pushing a 14psi turboed engine can be safer than pushing v6 twin turbo low psi engine. That makes a lot of sense :rolleyes:
Either way, I don't see why we should constantly bashing other brands. I have no respect for people who say this brand sucks just because. Flame on. :D

YOU are correct, it DOES NOT make alot of sense... but Audi rushed the S4 design to market and it has some inherent flaws...

like the engine bay is so crammed with engine, heat issues occur...

issues like the intercooler piping is a joke requiring these strange small y shaped rubber hoses that blow with large amounts of boost...

issues like the stock lil' itty bitty turbos overspooling and failing caused by aggressive "chips"

issues like you have to remove the front end, drop the front clip and engine to replace the turbos...

issues like positioning the two intercoolers right behind two big housings for the itty bitty fog lamps that cause a measurable increase in air temperature as they obscure at least 25% of each intercooler

you are right... someone who spends that much on a car shouldn't have issues... I personally know many people that have had trannys replaced, turbos replaced, two guys on their third set of turbos and the list goes on and on and on...

not bashing the VW brand, just not impressed... if someone is gonna do a comparison, I just want the facts straight... i've lived those facts for the last two years...

RJ
ex-S4 owner... President of the He-Man-VW-haters club! :lol:

:mad: i think anyone who knows rally herritage should understand the potential of any turbo'd quattro audi, must i remind you that audi was banned for dominating the rally industry several years ago? i think not. and when it comes to present day road racing, audi's not exactly lacking - they're constantly leading the pack. must i remind you of audi's 1 2 3 finish at their first return to le mans? that doesn't happen every day, unless it's audi. IMHO german engineering is the sh_t, and we need not forget that our beloved subies are based on the GERMAN engineering of porsche. but honestly, you can't go wrong either way, audi or subaru. here's a comparison - top of the line sports wagons: rs4 vs wrx. hands down, wrx comes up short. oh yeah, the tt has very little to do with the beetle, that's just ignorance talking, although 50% of it's parts are shared w/ the golf/gti platform.

:) i'm really not an as_hole, i just love cars:p

Must I remind you... hehehe...

Uhm... let's review why Audi "ACTUALLY" kicks butt in LeMans racing... must I remind you... they have zero competition... BMW which handed Audi its ass before it went on to try its hand against the big boys in F1... Ferrari has proven with the help of Schum that BMW isn't going to come in and dominate... The same year BMW left, Toyota backed out of LeMans racing...

Audi races against freakin' Cadillac... hehe... very impressive!

Audi engineers no doubt have made some awesome technology... but from their latest creations, Mercedes Benz must have hired them away! hehe...

Its hard for me to figure out how a manufacturer can make such an amazing AWD system but can't for the life of them make a decent shifting mechanism???? I'll never understand that...

Maybe Pontiac and Buick will join Cadillac in trying to overtake Audi in the much underwhelmed LeMans series... hehehe

Impressive indeed

RJ
is it possible to have less people in the stands at a lemans rACE?

The TT is not a bad car, just not the bargain for enthusiasts that a WRX is. If you have $$ to burn and want some "luxury", get the TT. If driving is more important, get the WRX. On second thought, if you got money to burn, buy the rex and send the leftover dough to me;)

If you want something topless, S2000 is fun.

This black TT was in my class at a race this weekend and my RS (stock engine and exhaust) sent it and a few beemers home wimpering :devil:
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/038/R9/NU/yC/6a19383.jpg

One of my friends has a TT 225hp roadster. Totally different animal to my wrx wagon. You get what you pay for in each vehicle. His is a drop dead gorgeous car with plenty of giddyup. He has open air fun and a grrrreat interior. He can stop on nearly any corner and women will lineup for a ride. I'm faster, more reliable, and can carry way more stuff. My interior and styling quality is lacking but I paid a lot less. I personally think his car feels faster, especially top down. The turbo comes in later with more 'punch' instead of the more linear progression of the wrx. To each their own. We both love our cars and besides drivetrain similarities they're not even comparable.

Ryan

Have you considered this; if you get the TT, which your wife likes the looks of, you will probably find the keys gone every time you want to go for a drive... She won't touch the WRX with a 10ft pole!

Its up to you!

A friend of mine has a chipped 225hp TT and that thing feels faster than my rex. We haven't raced, but I have a feeling I would be caughing fumes.

-anders