I just need to come here and make sure of something.
Had anyone in I-club heard that the STI that coming in 03-04, it gonna only 40 of them going to be here??

Here's what it looks like, except it has Altezza interior lights and 22" Neeper deep dishers:

http://www.vidavision.com/entertainment/vgizmo/images/gizmo14.jpg

it gonna only 40 of them going to be here.

Easy, Grasshopper. Stay in school, do well, and it shall be yours' in due time.

Ed


Mmmmmmmmmmmm.....Altezza's.........

As early as beginning of 2002 according to one dealer here with a very short waitng list,(only getting 2.) I know i know,this sounds like the same rumors,but this time it came from a source i can rely on, so if we start getting them in 6-8 weeks just remember you heard it here first!

I feel sorry for everyone waiting on an STI. By the time they get here, most of our rex's will be so modified they stomp on the STI.

STI *THIS*!!!! :devil:

:)

-jb

I know i know,this sounds like the same rumors,but this time it came from a source i can rely on, so if we start getting them in 6-8 weeks just remember you heard it here first!

The source is so reliable you won't mention who it is. Can you give us one good reason why they would release it so soon?

-anders

all the while, your WRX's are throwing CE lights! :lol:

please, the STi (if it actually comes) will poop all over almost all modified WRX's. Hate to say it...but it's true.

I'd love it, I'd go out and buy one for $40 grand if it came here, no problem. But, our luck, we'll get an STI thats just a WRX with fancy seats and pink badges.

-jb

all the while, your WRX's are throwing CE lights

^^ :lol::lol::devil::)

I don't hate to say it, but the WRX-STi will be a better base performance wise then a WRX. Not sorry, but true. :) I will be willing to bet that NO ONE with a modified WRX that has spent 30-33K including car and mods will be able to beat an STi. We will have to have a contest.. :)

JJ

So by that you are saying that a US Spec Sti will be able to pull high 11 second passes off the show room floor.

That sounds hard to beleive:rolleyes:

You know in Australia where they can buy both a standard WRX and the STi, the fastest cars are normal WRX's that have been highly modified. Hell, in Japan and Australia STi parts are pulled off of cars and replaced with better stuff. I am not trying to knock STi stuff, because it is better than what we have, but it is true. I have talked to too many people overseas that have said the same thing...everyone in the know buys normal and spends the saved money on mods, then they go burn Sti's on the track and the street.

So by that you are saying that a US Spec Sti will be able to pull high 11 second passes off the show room floor.

No I am not saying that but (I would be happy with mid 13's off show room floor)-

Then you show me a WRX (24,000) with 7,000 in mods INCLUDING labor that can do it without something breaking, check engine lights going off, dealer service problems, etc. Additionally, it needs to out handle, and out brake the STi (priced Brembos lately??)....

Or are you, like many Americans sadly just interested in straight-line performance? :lol:

You know in Australia where they can buy both a standard WRX and the STi, the fastest cars are normal WRX's that have been highly modified.

Templar, you should have put more emphasis on highly there... ;)

Me, I am a total package person. I want the total package. Different strokes for different folks. ;)


JJ
www.imprezawrxsti.com
All STi, All The Time

Originally posted by imprezawrxsti.com


Or are you, like many Americans sadly just interested in straight-line performance? :lol:



No that is not it at all, and in fact I resent that comment.

I too agree that a car should be able to handle as well as have straight line performance. I do not however consider 13 seconds fast by any means, but if you do hey that is your opinion.

I on the other hand have a vision of an Impreza that can rip off 11 second quarter miles, yet corner so hard it lifts the inside rear. A car that plants you in your seat with power, but corners like an Amtrak.

Above I was simply responded to a very close minded statement that you had made. I am not trying to start an arguement here. I am just making sure that my point is clear on this.

In your previous post it did sound like you were just interested in straight-line performance, sorry if I misinterpreted it. :) Also sorry if you resent that statement but the point that I was trying to make is with the STi you don't just get faster accelleration, you get better braking, handling, etc. A total package.

I do not however consider 13 seconds fast by any means, but if you do hey that is your opinion.

Again, fast to me IS NOT JUST straight-line performance, and I'm sure it is not to you but it is to others...

I just think that the STi is a better base for performance- it is the enitre package. And if you want to upgrade, like I said it is a better base. Why is it a better base?

-Stronger engine. Forged internals, sodium-filled valves, titanium springs, etc. 80% of EJ20 in STi is new from EJ20 in WRX.

-Stronger 6-speed transmission. Read where Subaru has been running this tranny on thier US Pro Rally open-class car.

-Front LSD

-AVCS

-Brembos

Should I go on?? :)

JJ
www.imprezawrxsti.com
All STi, All The Time

What tranny came on older STi s and how much stronger than what we get on the WRX?

Facts, the STi is not as great as people make it out to be. I have driven them (not the New Age though), so I know. It's also a fact that many people will modify their STi's. The suspension is good, but not adjustable. The turbo is good, but not ball bearing. The wheels are good, but not original. The exhaust is good, but could be better. A new ECU could get more power. Cats are no fun...if the WRX has 3 than so will the STi...maybe more! The intake is restrictive, gonna have to change that. Some gauges would be nice too. And when your doing all this, you're gonna spend a lot of money and throw on CEL's too.

EDIT:

I wanted to add something so that people don't think I'm biased.
I am gonna buy an STi when/if it comes out. It is better than a WRX...but to say the potential of a WRX isn't the same as an STi is bull poop. The only thing the new STi has going for it that would cost big bucks to improve on a WRX is the supposedly awesome tranny.

I wanted to add something so that people don't think I'm biased. I am gonna buy an STi when/if it comes out. It is better than a WRX...but to say the potential of a WRX isn't the same as an STi is bull poop. The only thing the new STi has going for it that would cost big bucks to improve on a WRX is the supposedly awesome tranny.

the VVT and semi closed block are also high $$ enhancements.. as well as the 4 pot Brembos.


However... I still can't see where people are getting this $31k price tag for the STi... for what everyone is saying you're going to get, I see no way for Subaru to sell it that cheap. I'd expect more in the $35k range...

so comparison-wise.. you'd have $10-12K for "upgrades" to beat an STi... not 7k.

Originally posted by Rebellion
the VVT and semi closed block are also high $$ enhancements.. as well as the 4 pot Brembos.


I never said to get it to STi spec. I said to make it as good, and buying a new block and all the needed parts to make the VVT system work is not necessary.

Also, the brakes...some slotted rotors, good pads, lines, and fluid do wonders to the stock brakes. If I were to do a major upgrade though, I'd get the M2 kit...it's much better than the Brembos...but almost 4k.:eek:

but with the VVti and stronger engine internals...it can easily be made to be much better than the WRX.

yes it starts off more expensive, but it also has a MUCH better base to work off of.



and since when is tri-podding considered good handling? sorry, no matter how hard my car can handle, I want all four on the ground. Plus, the only time a car should tri-pod is when both braking and turning hard...

Originally posted by Ant WRX


I never said to get it to STi spec. I said to make it as good, and buying a new block and all the needed parts to make the VVT system work is not necessary.

Also, the brakes...some slotted rotors, good pads, lines, and fluid do wonders to the stock brakes. If I were to do a major upgrade though, I'd get the M2 kit...it's much better than the Brembos...but almost 4k.:eek:

I hear ya... I guess I'm looking at it like where each car can go... sure the WRX can go past the stock STi... but the STi can also be dramatically improved...

Originally posted by JGard18

but with the VVti and stronger engine internals...it can easily be made to be much better than the WRX.


like it was said above the improved internals will give you a lot stronger base to build up on.

How much tuning are you really planning on doing though? If your like Al and Imprezer, the STi is a much better choice, but for me, the WRX is plenty fast. My only plans for engine mods are a much broader power band. My ideal setup is a small BB garret turbo that could spool faster than stock and move air a little better...it's no biggie to me have a little weaker block.

I can understand the need for the better internals though, but for me, it doesn't matter at all. I'm either gonna buy a new STi and barely mod it (engine wise) or (depending on the state of my WRX) wait for some ass to wreak his and buy his interior and brakes.;)

My main reason for owning a STi over a WRX is bragging rights.:devil: The WRX is shun by fools b/c 'the STi is better though'. It's the same thing RS guys are going through now...idiots who say 'it's not a turbo though'...who cares, it's still an awesome car.:)

Will we be getting the Prodrive style STI?
It looks much nicer than the regular STI.

It's an option in the UK and doesn't add any performance features, so I don't see why not. I like the stock one though.:)

I think it all comes down to how big your wallet is. I am very pleased with my Rex and yes I would like to own a STI but as far as spending $35-40,000 on one is just not in my budget, if I want to go out do a Rex and a STI on the street I will just jump in my racecar and have at it. But I think I could spend the extra money from the STI on my racecarand have more fun. Now I won't be biased to a STI owner because after all it's a Subaru, but I am sure there will be that one guy that get's a STI and decides to go out and run every Rex out there and put them down because they are not drving a STI, but just remember that no matter how fast you think you are there is always someone out there that's faster. Just have fun with what you have and enjoy it and stay safe.:cool:

IMO, the front LSD, 6 speed and brembos are the true selling points for the STi. You can add the headlights and seats in a non performance catagory. The suspension is not as good as top quality coil overs and the power can be matched or exceeded with the base EJ20. I doubt the smoothness and redline of a modded WRX motor would be as subjectively pleasing as the STi, but the power will be.

Since most people seem to have purchased their WRX for straight line performance, rather than for rally as it was designed, I have come up with a 10-second quarter mile bolt-on. Call your Chevy performance dealer and buy a 500-HP 502 CID big block motor. Remove the pathetic little lawn mower engine that is in there now. Next, raise the motor at least ten feet above the engine bay and let it drop. It will make its own space. A little creative machine work and voila! an engine with a car wrapped around it. Of course you will never be able to turn a corner at over 20 MPH (44 KmH for you Canadians, eh?). But, who cares ... its just like the 70's again. Muscle cars on their roof at every sharp corner! You don't want to go there, again.

So true. I'm buying a wrx because it is a great allaround rocket. The car was never meant to be a 1/4 mile car. It was meant to rip up and down mountain roads and go like hell in all conditions. I would get a STi when they come out BUT the cost to buy the car and insure it in jersey would be insane.