Well it is a long story but here goes.

First Ill start by saying Ive got a 2005 Subaru WRX 2.0 L with
-Injen CAI
-Helix uppipe
-Maddad V2 downpipe with cat
-Borla Catback exhaust
-Ecutek

And My new additions as of todays tune
-Walbro Fuel Pump
-One step colder spark plugs

So I started the whole thing off going to a tuner my friend recomended to me. Here I bought the Ecutek and had the uppipe installed. This tuner claimed to have protuned my car and sent me home under that assumption. To tell the truth I had my doubts but I took it for granted. About three weeks into It I threw a CEL, went to get it checked, and it turned out to be a misfire. No big deal. another week after The Shop in Norwalk CT had a free dyno day which I could not pass up. The dyno graph of my car was troubling and one of the men working at The Shop, Al, informed me it would be best if I got retuned. Here was my graph

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Any way, I went ahead and told him that i would like the tune. Worried about my car I put a bottle of octane booster in which turned out to be a hassle because Al called me the next day to set up an appointment. Week leading up I threw a CEL which would occasionally start blinking; fairly nerve racking. Day of the tune I had to get all that fuel drained ::doh:: but it was a learning experiance. So I go to The Shop, where everyone is waiting for me. After about 4 and a half hours of tuning time and about 20 dyno pulls not to mention the new sparks and pump which Jimmy installed speedily, staying to help with my car despite how he needed to get home after a long day, my car was running at its optimal performance. Heres what my car looked like after the excellent job Al and Jimmy did tuning and fixing my car after the damage done by my original tuner:

http://photos-009.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v55/10/108/1380060125/n1380060125_30055009_773.jpg

Just to give you an idea of the crappy job done by my original tuner (he just threw in a basemap for the ecutek after promising a protune) check out my old spark plugs

http://photos-005.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v55/10/108/1380060125/n1380060125_30055005_5981.jpg

http://photos-004.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v55/10/108/1380060125/n1380060125_30055004_5699.jpg

http://photos-003.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v55/10/108/1380060125/n1380060125_30055003_5426.jpg

As you can see they are nice and burnt and orange from my car running so lean. Also the EGT probe in my uppipe is deteriorating and im going to have to get it plugged now. Still The guys at the shop have set something up. Now my car runs great and I have the great service, car knowledge and love of cars from Al and Jimmy to thank for that. Thank you also to those working at The Shop and to those who hung out with me for the time I waited.

Paul

P.S. The drive home was a blast, my car has never accelerated so well. (kept it under the speed limit) but in a pull if I hit a bump the tires would torque hard as I lifted a tiny bit. I did a quick 0-60 closer to home and man did it pick up fast. Ill time it and post tmrw.

Who was the original tuner? I'd like to never go there. PM me if you don't wanna tell the board.

Glad you are enjoying your machine

One of the great things about our new evening tuning hours at The Shop is the that we can take as long as we need to get a car really dialed in as close to perfect as possible.

I really enjoyed meeting you and appreciate your taking the time to make a post about your experience

Al

Wow, 270 wheel on the stock turbo? Great numbers!

Wow, 270 wheel on the stock turbo? Great numbers!

The Shop's dyno reads VERY high... look at their other dynographs.

Ah I see. Maybe 240-250ish on a Dynojet or so?

Who was the original tuner? I'd like to never go there. PM me if you don't wanna tell the board.

Id like to know as well..... Al what are you rates like for tuning? Come spring i will be hopefully doing a turbo upgrade to my 04 wrx and was wondering what the rates are like?

268hp is way high for a stock wrx turbo... but reguardless of the numbers AL made some huge gains over the original.

Good Job.

The Shop's dyno reads VERY high... look at their other dynographs.

more like VERY VERY VERY high...my stage 2 (tuned & NO CATS) WRX put down 210whp on Vishnu Tunings dyno dynamics and 225whp on Tuning Technologies dynojet.

was this done on race gas?

nice job on the gains Al

he just threw in a basemap for the ecutek after promising a protune

A protune is only done to Cobb's AccessPort. You do not have an AccessPort, so he promised you a custom tune, if he even promised that.

This was on pump gas - 17 psi peak boost tapering to 13 psi

As I have said before the number in the dyno sheet is not relevant to us

We look for gains or losses and the dyno has great resolution to pick up even the slightest variation

I personally feel the numbers are comprable to a dynoi jet - BUT - My STI will be done next week and I will be taking it to several local dynos to make a good comparision

I wont name the other tuner - but I will say it was regretable to see the customer invoiced for a full custom tune, street tuning, dyno tuning and then discover the reflash "count" at "1" in the ecutek which means it was only given a base map (and one that did not work very well apparently)

A protune is only done to Cobb's AccessPort. You do not have an AccessPort, so he promised you a custom tune, if he even promised that.
I wasnt there so I have no idea what if anything the customer was promised

Uhhh, something is STILL "wrong" with that car, 200ft-lbs not until 3400:huh: ....and it is actually less since this dyno his high reading.
That's 16g/vf34 spoolup based on that graph. Correct me if I'm wrong in my logic.

I wasnt there so I have no idea what if anything the customer was promised

Yeah I know Al, no worries. But for the future, no need to even bring up the other tuner. We know how few EcuTeK tuners there are, especially in your area. I think it would be better if you would just say that it came in with a tune and it left with a better tune from you. Then you can post the graph. I know you're not bashing anyone specific but those of us who are aware will know that the possibility of who tuned it can be counted on half a hand.

Lastly, I would advise the customer who was promised a custom tune to go post in the vendor review. Maybe there should be a tuner review created? I'm not sure, but either way 99% of the tuners work for a shop so it could fall under there. Then we will be able to see who did the less than stellar tune or who did not come through on their word. It's better as a complaint by the customer then for it to look like Al is slinging mud at the tuners of the area.

Just my $.02,
Chris

Yeah I know Al, no worries. But for the future, no need to even bring up the other tuner. We know how few EcuTeK tuners there are, especially in your area. I think it would be better if you would just say that it came in with a tune and it left with a better tune from you. Then you can post the graph. I know you're not bashing anyone specific but those of us who are aware will know that the possibility of who tuned it can be counted on half a hand.

Lastly, I would advise the customer who was promised a custom tune to go post in the vendor review. Maybe there should be a tuner review created? I'm not sure, but either way 99% of the tuners work for a shop so it could fall under there. Then we will be able to see who did the less than stellar tune or who did not come through on their word. It's better as a complaint by the customer then for it to look like Al is slinging mud at the tuners of the area.

Just my $.02,
Chris
Just note two things - # 1 I did not craft this thread - it was the customer's idea

#2 - this customer is a classy guy and I dont think he is the type to come on the internet bashing a particular vendor. I think he just wanted to vent his frustrations and relief that its now sorted out well.


Al

Id like to know as well..... Al what are you rates like for tuning? Come spring i will be hopefully doing a turbo upgrade to my 04 wrx and was wondering what the rates are like?

PM sent - Vendors are not allowed to quote prices in the tech sections

Just for reference - we spent 22 tuning pulls and nearly 4 hours to tune this particular car

After all that dyno tuning, Jimmy and I went out on the street and carefully data loged and fine adjusted the maps on the road in every forward gear

I dont finish any tune until its perfect

I take a lot of pride in my work and I make sure every car that leaves my hands is as good as it can be as I enjoy what I am doing and want to make sure that what I have done can represent my name out in the community

This is the kind of attention to detail and service you can expect at our facility

Al, informed me it would be best if I got retuned

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Guess he grabbed another one. Way to suck them in "DYNAMPER"

If I was you I would pull the plugs again. i bet they look the same if not worse.

I personally feel the numbers are comprable to a dynoi jet

Are you kidding? Show me another stage 2 WRX dyno chart from a dynojet that makes more than 240-250whp on pump gas. I guess its just your amazing tuning that accounts for that extra 20-30whp huh? :lol:

Uhhh, something is STILL "wrong" with that car, 200ft-lbs not until 3400:huh: ....and it is actually less since this dyno his high reading.
That's 16g/vf34 spoolup based on that graph. Correct me if I'm wrong in my logic.


Indeed... what RPM were these pulls started at? Is the car really this laggy or is your RPM calibration just off as usual?

-- Ed

you didnt hear? "DYNAMPER" doesnt use any of that. he uses his EARS!

if i play an audio clip online, he will be able to tell me the exact AFR of the car.

thats how he knows if the car is tuned properly.

EARS!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I have never laugh so hard in my life. and yet people go to him for tuning. i dont get it!

I have never laugh so hard in my life. and yet people go to him for tuning. i dont get it!

What do you mean?? He just tuned a 270whp stock turbo WRX on pump gas!! :lol:

In all seriousness... maybe you should start labelling these numbers "Crawford HP" ;).

What do you mean?? He just tuned a 270whp stock turbo WRX on pump gas!! :lol:


OMFG!! :lol: :lol:

How foolish of me to forget :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just note two things - # 1 I did not craft this thread - it was the customer's idea

#2 - this customer is a classy guy and I dont think he is the type to come on the internet bashing a particular vendor. I think he just wanted to vent his frustrations and relief that its now sorted out well.


Al

Al, I know you didn't make the thread. And the guy being classy has nothing to do with him not receiving the service he was supposed to get. I was dicked over HUGE by a NASIOC vendor, and the only reason I haven't posted publicly is because the matter hasn't been solved yet. It is important for people to know that even well liked vendors on here **** some people over hardcore.

The orange plugs have nothing to do with running lean. The orange color is from manganese. So, where did this come from? Octane booster. The good octane boosters use MMT.

It would have been interesting to see the before and after AFRs and boost pressures. It would also be interesting to see the dynamic advance your car will be using once summer hits and the TMIC gets heat soaked.

t

btw... since Al keeps saying he's only interested in the gains these charts show, I'll mention another tidbit about very high reading dynos.... they exaggerate the gains as well!.

Lets look at an example. Al's dyno reads approximately 22% higher than most Mustang dynos and the lower reading DD dynos. That would put this car with the most recent tune at 268/1.22 =~ 220whp. It would also put the baseline pull at 238/1.22 = 195whp. So going from this same baseline to this same tune on a lower reading dyno would show a total gain of 220-195 = 25whp. Don't get me wrong, that's a very nice gain, but then look at the gains displayed by Al's high reading dyno... 268 - 238 = 30whp. Where did that extra 5whp gain come from? Simple... the 22% inflation of the dyno (25 * 1.22 = 30whp). Now some of you might be saying... ehh its just 5whp no big deal. That's true, except for the fact that this gap will increase significantly with higher hp cars.

Lets take another example to show this. Imagine a stock STI puts down 225whp on a Mustang dyno without tuning and then it makes 275whp after installing a TBE and custom tuning. That's a respectable gain of 50whp. Now lets see what kind of gains Al's dyno would show. The baseline would be 225 * 1.22 = 274whp (remember the bone stock 07 sti? ;)) and after the TBE install and tune, it would show 275 * 1.22 = 335whp. So Al's dyno is showing a 60whp gain for the same car.

These are both relatively low power examples. Now imagine the differential once you get into big turbo cars on race gas. Anyway... this is just meant to show that inflated dyno numbers inflate the absolute whp gains as well and people need to keep this in mind when looking at posts like these. In a fair world, gains would all be expressed as a % change instead of absolute whp. And even then, some dynos like the Dynapacks measure power very differently and such a method wouldn't necessarily be appropriate.

Thanks
-- Ed

The orange plugs have nothing to do with running lean. The orange color is from manganese. So, where did this come from? Octane booster. The good octane boosters use MMT.

t

Yep... when I saw that orange color, the first thing it made me think of was what my plugs looked like after running a couple cans of torco which is highly concentrated with MMT.

Since the claim here is that the car was running lean on the original tune, lets see an a/f comparison chart to confirm this. Now that I mention it, I haven't seen a single a/f chart from Al to date.

If you look at the original dyno graph from the base map that I had before Al tuned me youll notice a big divit right in the middle of the graph in my horsepower. Looking at the A/F map (i know I dont have from the tune but I saw it) the A/F started at 14 and droped until it hit the same area where the divit in my horsepower is. Here it jumped to about 14 again (from about 10) then dropped all the way down to like 8 and back to 10 where it continued to fall at a natural pace. Doesnt seem normal to me. Also I dont want any one to get the impression that im bashing my old tuner Im simply saying that I didnt get what I paid for (when i said protune I meant custom tune kinda just threw a word out there) but now everything is running great. As far as the sparks go (being orange and all and my claiming the car was running very lean) there is another thing which suggests my car running lean that being the week leading up to my car being tuned. I threw a CEL which proceded to start blinking on and off as I drove. I would stop and start when it blinked and took all necissary precautions I could think of, without going overboard. At the shop I found out the CEL was for the EGT in my uppipe showing that there were very high temps which were begining to deteriorate the sensor. I would think this is sign of a lean engine.

btw... since Al keeps saying he's only interested in the gains these charts show, I'll mention another tidbit about very high reading dynos.... they exaggerate the gains as well!.

Lets look at an example. Al's dyno reads approximately 22% higher than most Mustang dynos and the lower reading DD dynos. That would put this car with the most recent tune at 268/1.22 =~ 220whp. It would also put the baseline pull at 238/1.22 = 195whp. So going from this same baseline to this same tune on a lower reading dyno would show a total gain of 220-195 = 25whp. Don't get me wrong, that's a very nice gain, but then look at the gains displayed by Al's high reading dyno... 268 - 238 = 30whp. Where did that extra 5whp gain come from? Simple... the 22% inflation of the dyno (25 * 1.22 = 30whp). Now some of you might be saying... ehh its just 5whp no big deal. That's true, except for the fact that this gap will increase significantly with higher hp cars.

Lets take another example to show this. Imagine a stock STI puts down 225whp on a Mustang dyno without tuning and then it makes 275whp after installing a TBE and custom tuning. That's a respectable gain of 50whp. Now lets see what kind of gains Al's dyno would show. The baseline would be 225 * 1.22 = 274whp (remember the bone stock 07 sti? ;)) and after the TBE install and tune, it would show 275 * 1.22 = 335whp. So Al's dyno is showing a 60whp gain for the same car.

These are both relatively low power examples. Now imagine the differential once you get into big turbo cars on race gas. Anyway... this is just meant to show that inflated dyno numbers inflate the absolute whp gains as well and people need to keep this in mind when looking at posts like these. In a fair world, gains would all be expressed as a % change instead of absolute whp. And even then, some dynos like the Dynapacks measure power very differently and such a method wouldn't necessarily be appropriate.

Thanks
-- Ed

You are fascinated by all these dyno numbers..huh? Who gives a ****? If the dyno is set-up the same from the first pull to the last the results are consistent. If the customer is satisfied, what does it matter to you? If this is the way DD calibrated his dyno, then what do you want him to do? Stop tuning cars because some internet crybaby on nasioc is going to jump up and down about the numbers?

If the car drives better when it comes off the rollers, is safe, and makes good power, who cares what it reads? I am sure the customers are impressed with the higher numbers, but if the car runs like **** the numbers wont mean much to them.

Mabey if subaru owners spent as much time at the track as worried about dyno numbers, we would have more fast subarus outside of PR..:lol: You proved your point, why not move on with your life, rather then follow him around? Why don't you post up where you work, mabey Al can come down there and heckle you.:lol:

Yep... when I saw that orange color, the first thing it made me think of was what my plugs looked like after running a couple cans of torco which is highly concentrated with MMT.

Since the claim here is that the car was running lean on the original tune, lets see an a/f comparison chart to confirm this. Now that I mention it, I haven't seen a single a/f chart from Al to date.

Here my friend got tuned the week before he has A/F from Al

Well I can't thank Al and Jimmy enough for all the help with my car!!!! I am still in shock at the numbers they got for me and the great driveability for my car on the street... Well enough said here are the numbers

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crump47/300whp222.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/crump47/mycar-2.jpg


Btw the tourqe is not on there, but it was 320.

BTW I am running ECUTEK, VF39, Sti Pinks, TurboXS FMIC and 3" TBE. NO meth or anything else.... ON 93 Stop and Shop pump gas :banana:

So I go to The Shop, where everyone is waiting for me. After about 4 and a half hours of tuning time and about 20 dyno pulls not to mention the new sparks and pump which Jimmy installed speedily, staying to help with my car despite how he needed to get home after a long day, my car was running at its optimal performance.



4.5 hours and 20 pulls to tune a Stage II WRX?

Ed (Vaus), it's not worth it, seriously..

4.5 hours and 20 pulls to tune a Stage II WRX?

Ed (Vaus), it's not worth it, seriously..


Chris

and it continues :lol:

and yet like i said before people still go to him - that place is jiffy lube with a dyno :lol:

and yet like i said before people still go to him - that place is jiffy lube with a dyno :lol:

probably the biggest diss on this thread. GG

I was going to say...who told you those plugs are from running lean? Those plugs look fine to me. Your center electrode would be eroded if you were running lean...

To add on to the "JIFFY LUBE TUNING"

Look what I found surfing the web: ;)

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=238663

What a bunch of crap! But then again, JIFFY LUBE :lol:

Let me hear the excuse for this one :lol:

Members SuperSTI and Vaus

Clearly neither of you want to utilize my services and have your own tuner of choice

It seems you both choose to polute every thread that mentions my services with insults and attacks such as the remark that we have a dyno in a "jiffy lube"

I sincerley hope that the members who are following this diatribe will sift through this barage of misinformation and slander and realize what these two members are trying to interfear with the dignified, civil and orderly interchange of ideas and information by basically the internet version of screaming profanities in the middle of a civil conversation

I direct this situation to the moderation staff and hope that appropriate measures will be taken so that customers and vendors can express view points and opinions that may differ from those of Vaus and SuperSTI without this sort of child like diatribe

4.5 hours and 20 pulls to tune a Stage II WRX?

Ed (Vaus), it's not worth it, seriously..

XX - if the customer wants a faster tune I am sure that they know how to reach you

I seriously do not think you should be on here responding to my customer's comments with such remarks, its not professional

I take pride in taking my time and making sure the job is done properly no matter how long it takes me

Just FYI the car had a stock fuel pump (not recomemded) and was at 105% IDC

Also it had the original spark plugs with 18,000 miles and they were misfiring - time to change them

We don't care HOW LONG it takes - we will finish the job properly

We don't charge any additional fees if it winds up taking a bit longer to get it right and I find most customers appreciate it when we take a little extra time to make the tune as good as it can be

You won't see us taking out cars for quick "street tunes" and taking guesses about the quality of the tune or how the car is running

Doing a job properly and with pride does not involve watching the clock to see how fast it can get done

btw... since Al keeps saying he's only interested in the gains these charts show, I'll mention another tidbit about very high reading dynos.... they exaggerate the gains as well!.

Lets look at an example. Al's dyno reads approximately 22% higher than most Mustang dynos and the lower reading DD dynos. That would put this car with the most recent tune at 268/1.22 =~ 220whp. It would also put the baseline pull at 238/1.22 = 195whp. So going from this same baseline to this same tune on a lower reading dyno would show a total gain of 220-195 = 25whp. Don't get me wrong, that's a very nice gain, but then look at the gains displayed by Al's high reading dyno... 268 - 238 = 30whp. Where did that extra 5whp gain come from? Simple... the 22% inflation of the dyno (25 * 1.22 = 30whp). Now some of you might be saying... ehh its just 5whp no big deal. That's true, except for the fact that this gap will increase significantly with higher hp cars.

Lets take another example to show this. Imagine a stock STI puts down 225whp on a Mustang dyno without tuning and then it makes 275whp after installing a TBE and custom tuning. That's a respectable gain of 50whp. Now lets see what kind of gains Al's dyno would show. The baseline would be 225 * 1.22 = 274whp (remember the bone stock 07 sti? ;)) and after the TBE install and tune, it would show 275 * 1.22 = 335whp. So Al's dyno is showing a 60whp gain for the same car.

These are both relatively low power examples. Now imagine the differential once you get into big turbo cars on race gas. Anyway... this is just meant to show that inflated dyno numbers inflate the absolute whp gains as well and people need to keep this in mind when looking at posts like these. In a fair world, gains would all be expressed as a % change instead of absolute whp. And even then, some dynos like the Dynapacks measure power very differently and such a method wouldn't necessarily be appropriate.

Thanks
-- EdOk so he only gained 25 whp instead of gaining 30 whp - fascinating insight

For those two guys who seem totally fixated on how our dyno reads

I intend to get my STI on two or three seperate Dyno Jets next week and then take it with the same exact tune and gas to our dyno and compare

If any significant variation is shown, we will contact Dyno Dynamics and have them re-calibrate the dyno

Based upon my experience and data our dyno is dead on with actuall dyno jet numbers - although it may read a bit higher than older DD dynos

I must say I am somewhat surpized by the "fixation" these individuals have with my dyno - but having been in the tuning world for several years I realize that many people become fan boys of one vendor or another and will attack anyone who questions their preferred vendor

Thanks

I am posting information regarding you and your services.

I am posting previous posts from other customers and from you about you and your services.

There for you can not get madd at us for mentioning things you have done and call up on moderators to lock up threads so you cant get bashed on.

For those two guys who seem totally fixated on how our dyno reads

I intend to get my STI on two or three seperate Dyno Jets next week and then take it with the same exact tune and gas to our dyno and compare

If any significant variation is shown, we will contact Dyno Dynamics and have them re-calibrate the dyno

Based upon my experience and data our dyno is dead on with actuall dyno jet numbers - although it may read a bit higher than older DD dynos

I must say I am somewhat surpized by the "fixation" these individuals have with my dyno - but having been in the tuning world for several years I realize that many people become fan boys of one vendor or another and will attack anyone who questions their preferred vendor

Thanks

LOL

All the other tuning facilities with a dyno dynamics dyno state that stock sti's dyno between 200-210 and maybe 1 or 2 that do 220whp on a dyno dynamics at most. But 270whp. Come on.

I am posting information regarding you and your services.

I am posting previous posts from other customers and from you about you and your services.

There for you can not get madd at us for mentioning things you have done and call up on moderators to lock up threads so you cant get bashed on.
Actually if you review your posts - such as the one about the "jiffy lube" "Way to suck them in "DYNAMPER" AND "OMFG!!

How foolish of me to forget " it is clear to me that your agenda is to impose your personal opinions upon other's discussion

By not co-incidence a review of your posting history shows your opinion that AUTO MASTER is your tuner of choice. It is a frequent pattern that i have seen that certain vendors have internet fan boys who spend most of their time bashing other vendors.

Examining your posts contained in your newbie status account shows you have contributed very little to a on line "dialouge" and instead have attacked a lot of people with insults.

What do dynos tell us? They give us computed numbers based on an artificial condition. There is no way for a dyno can replicate conditions found on the streets. As such, they still make a good tuning tool to show changes in an easily repeatable environment. With conditions outside the car remaining essentially static, tuners can see the effects of their handiwork

What do dynos tell us? They give us computed numbers based on an artificial condition. There is no way for a dyno can replicate conditions found on the streets. As such, they still make a good tuning tool to show changes in an easily repeatable environment. With conditions outside the car remaining essentially static, tuners can see the effects of their handiworkGood point

My main objective in using a dyno is to load the car in a controlled setting in order to see how the ecu responds to changes in tunable parameters.

The ultimate power figure is interesting but not the goal of the process - the gain or loss in power and shape of the curve is what I look at

I think id just like to make this clear. I am not impressed so much with my "numbers" as I am with the huge increase in responsiveness of my car, faster accelerations, and smoother running engine. The difference I feel from Al's tune over my old tuners over stock is a night and day change. I get power all throughout my RPM range, tapering off near the end. Also while the dyno graph may show that my car is a little laggy in the low RPMs lets be honest. when your getting on the gas auto-x-ing, or draging, or any sort of car based performance scenario your only in the low range RPMs about once. With this tune after each shift I have a full and powerful powerband to accompany me through the gear. That meaning I hit and hold hi power after each shift when driving for performance. No complaints at all, Al and Jimmy did a great job.

I was going to say...who told you those plugs are from running lean? Those plugs look fine to me. Your center electrode would be eroded if you were running lean...

I dont know if you can see it in the picture but each center electrode is needle thin, I needed new sparks regardless because I have enough horses over stock where one step colder plugs become a sound (not necisity) but definatly smart mod.

Its thin because that is the way the plug was designed...I am sure there is some electrode erosion from being driven, but those plugs do not demonstrate a lean condition at all.

Looks good!

BTW Al, this is the INTERNET and people are going to bash regardless until you back it up with track times, next season, try to post up time slips w/ the dyno graph, that should take care of alot of uncertainty...

Al, Not a problem. I will stop by one of my friends whose evo you broke (which we wont get into). The reason for having a problem with you is because of what you did to him and his car. And to answer your question online. Yes, Automaster is my tuner and tuned my STi almost a year now without any issues. I dont see how me getting tuned by another shop has anything to do with anything.

As far as me being a noob. LOL. Look at the joining date between me and you not to mention how long I have owned an subaru compared to you.

We will settle this despute when I come by.

try to post up time slips w/ the dyno graph, that should take care of alot of uncertainty...

Agreed.

Al, Not a problem. I will stop by one of my friends whose evo you broke (which we wont get into). The reason for having a problem with you is because of what you did to him and his car. And to answer your question online. Yes, Automaster is my tuner and tuned my STi almost a year now without any issues. I dont see how me getting tuned by another shop has anything to do with anything.

As far as me being a noob. LOL. Look at the joining date between me and you not to mention how long I have owned an subaru compared to you.

We will settle this despute when I come by.

I see that you support Auto Master http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16014084&postcount=10

And bash other tuners

BTW - this account has not been active that long, but for those who remember I was one of the first of the USDM WRX owners

Those who may recall I was the winner of the 1st Subaru Shootout - 9/14/2002

http://www.scoobymile.com/slips/Allan_Friedman.jpg

I have been there and done that long ago


As for settling our dispute - I look forward to that, please do come by when you have time

Like I replied to your PM we will discuss with my boy with his EVO when I come by

Like I replied to your PM we will discuss with my boy with his EVO when I come by

Great, see you both soon !

SuperSTI=CRYBABY:furious: If Al hasen't tuned your car stop crying!!

I think id just like to make this clear. I am not impressed so much with my "numbers" as I am with the huge increase in responsiveness of my car, faster accelerations, and smoother running engine. The difference I feel from Al's tune over my old tuners over stock is a night and day change. I get power all throughout my RPM range, tapering off near the end. Also while the dyno graph may show that my car is a little laggy in the low RPMs lets be honest. when your getting on the gas auto-x-ing, or draging, or any sort of car based performance scenario your only in the low range RPMs about once. With this tune after each shift I have a full and powerful powerband to accompany me through the gear. That meaning I hit and hold hi power after each shift when driving for performance. No complaints at all, Al and Jimmy did a great job.

Happy customer.

/thread

Al - what's the STi doing now? I recall seeing you were getting one or got one. What kinda base numbers did it make?

Al,

I tune my own car ;). I honestly don't know you or any other tuners in your area personally. I'm in california. I've just been seeing all these boastfull posts about these huge gains and most of the dyno charts you posted look a bit strange. None of them seem to have a propper RPM scale and all of the actual numbers are ridiculously high. Maybe have a talk with DD and confirm your calibration as I don't believe this is how the dyno was intended to run. Anyway, I'm glad your customers are happy, overall your curves look pretty good and it sounds like you are meticulous with the tunes. I'll leave it at that.

BTW, if you want to do the comparison with my road dyno software as mentioned in the PM, please let me know as this would indeed be interesting and educational for both of us.

Thanks
-- Ed

Al - what's the STi doing now? I recall seeing you were getting one or got one. What kinda base numbers did it make?


I am having a load of fun with the STI

Its amazing, my modification illness is getting worse and worse

I had planned to try and go fast on the stock turbo, trying to go 11's

The car was making 410 TQ and 363 whp on our dyno with 104 octane unleaded and a EWG (Tial 44) and EBoost

Basically, I grew tired of the stock turbo, it seemed to have way too much exhuast restriction when the EWG was closing and the turbine wheel / housing could not flow even close to support the kind of power I wanted to make

After shortly considering the possibility of cliping the turbine wheel, I decdied to throw the stock turbo in the junk heap it belongs in and get going on the Ultimate Racing Gt35R kit

This is the set up I am working on now

UR Gt35R turbo kit
AP header
AP fuel rail
Helix injectors
Greddy Evo 2 Exhuast
Perrin Big MAF
Ecutek Reflash
Utec MAP based high octane mapping
Buschur HP fuel pump
DF tumbler delete and ported TB

ACT clutch and flywheel

I have been doing a lot of tuning work so the project got put on the side track but I hope to have it done by this week

AL

Al,

I tune my own car ;). I honestly don't know you or any other tuners in your area personally. I'm in california. I've just been seeing all these boastfull posts about these huge gains and most of the dyno charts you posted look a bit strange. None of them seem to have a propper RPM scale and all of the actual numbers are ridiculously high. Maybe have a talk with DD and confirm your calibration as I don't believe this is how the dyno was intended to run. Anyway, I'm glad your customers are happy, overall your curves look pretty good and it sounds like you are meticulous with the tunes. I'll leave it at that.

BTW, if you want to do the comparison with my road dyno software as mentioned in the PM, please let me know as this would indeed be interesting and educational for both of us.

Thanks
-- EdI will send you the data you have requested as soon as I get the car up and running

BTW - have you used "Delta Dash" road dyno function? I find it very useful

I will send you the data you have requested as soon as I get the car up and running

BTW - have you used "Delta Dash" road dyno function? I find it very useful


I used that quite a long time ago. It was useful, but I was frustrated with the poor smoothing algorithm they used as well as the general lack of refinement. I understand that this was just a small feature of deltadash, but since I used to primarily do road tuning, I found myself using it all the time. After a couple months using that, I decided to just write my own road dyno software to my picky specifications ;). When all the parameters are set propperly, the peak numbers as well as the overall shapes of the curves have been shown to be extremely close to the local lower reading Mustang Dynos. The numbers are also very cosistant as long as the road used for the pulls is nice and flat. I generally like to get a couple pulls in each direction on the same stretch of road to verify its flatness.

Thanks
-- Ed

I am so happy to hear this... I am going to get my car tuned and I think that I can get right about those numbers... I am going to run COBB AP with street tuner and a gutted UP but I think I might go the fuel pump route and I was hoping, with the stock intake I can pull around 250... I might throw the one step colders in as well... but not until the day of the tune...

I personally feel the numbers are comprable to a dynoi jet.

I just want to quote this as i feel it marks history.

For the first time in history a DynoDynamics Dyno operator says his #'s are comparable to a DynoJet. :lol:

Al Friedman you are a true piece of work. How you continue to do business at all is beyond me. :huh:

I just want to quote this as i feel it marks history.

For the first time in history a DynoDynamics Dyno operator says his #'s are comparable to a DynoJet. :lol:

Al Friedman you are a true piece of work. How you continue to do business at all is beyond me. :huh:

Maybe you are behind the times but let me inform you

Dyno Dynamics has released a new version of its operating soft ware which re-calibrates the dyno to have it read higher

Our dyno is nearly brand new so it incorporates the newer calibration

I will be conducting a test of various local dynos in the next couple of weeks which should prove interesting

I will be conducting a test of various local dynos in the next couple of weeks which should prove interesting

Are you planning on including ICS' DynoJet in this test?

Are you planning on including ICS' DynoJet in this test?

Perhaps, I will speak with George and see if he wants to be on the list

I am having some delays with my STI - I have a warped upipe flange - But I should be in action within 10 days or so

Al

I dont know if you can see it in the picture but each center electrode is needle thin, I needed new sparks regardless because I have enough horses over stock where one step colder plugs become a sound (not necisity) but definatly smart mod.

NGK Iridium plugs info page:
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/products/cars_trucks_suvs/iridiumix.asp?nav=11420&country=US

good plugs, btw.

So I started the whole thing off going to a tuner my friend recomended to me. Here I bought the Ecutek and had the uppipe installed. This tuner claimed to have protuned my car and sent me home under that assumption. To tell the truth I had my doubts but I took it for granted.Was it road- or dyno-tuned?

Was it road- or dyno-tuned?
I belive it was claimed to be road tuned and tested with a dyno pull

lolz those plugs got ****ted on lolz! great numbers!

I was just loookin at my graph and i think I figured out why it seems that I have no low end. The pulls were done in early third gear, starting at about 35-40 mph so Id think the graph would start low and go higher. I dunno just a thought.