Spy Shots: BMW 135ti

http://germancarscene.com/2006/12/11/bmw-135ti-spotted/

Here’s a few more pictures of BMW’s R32 fighter - the 135ti. Using the same 306 bhp 3L twin turbo unit as the 335i, it look like it’s going to be alot of fun

http://www.bilnorge.no/vis_artikkel.php3?aid=29963&tid=

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i'm lovin the shape

Man, that is sexy! I hope that they make a 3 door version!!

Man, that is sexy! I hope that they make a 3 door version!!

ummm... I think they did, the rear door handles and break point for the rear door looks drawn on. :confused:

If it has those specs, I might have to pop my collar and get one.

///M1 w00t

M1 bimmer bring it

i hope its 23k lol

ummm... I think they did, the rear door handles and break point for the rear door looks drawn on. :confused:

yea, i think they are decals... if you look at the thrid pictures, the reflections give it away, granted it fooled me frome the first pic...

when i saw the title, i thought it was gonna be a 1.3 liter... but i realized it was 135.... and that means its a 1 series, with a 3.5 liter motor... the 3.5 twin turbo motor... this is gonna be freaking awesome.

The 4-door camo is hilarious! :lol:

would the 1 series and in particular, THIS 3L TT 2 door hatch
make it to the US? BECAUSE I WANT IT

I'd rock that for sure.....

That car has "trackslut" written all over it.:devil:

Note to BMW: keep the base price under $35K, and you just found yourself a new customer.

Man, I want that freaking car! Please bring that bad boy over here so I can begin dipping into my savings for new Advans!

The side and rear of that car is uber-hot, but the nose just kills it for me. Not sure why - espesiallly since I love the 3-series.

Holy cow! They finally put some fixed calipers on one of their cars!

Holy cow! They finally put some fixed calipers on one of their cars!

Pshh.. my 320i had fixed calipers... 1981 e21, with non-vented rotors of course..

That is sexy as hell

I waaaaaant it.

The side and rear of that car is uber-hot, but the nose just kills it for me. Not sure why - espesiallly since I love the 3-series.

Totally. I *really* don't like the front view. However, I'd seriously consider buying one if they brought it over at a reasonable price.

god i wish i could afford that

That is a great looking 3 door Mazda3

How ridiculously expensive will this thing be?

Well it has to be less than the 40k they are asking for 335i so I'm guessing start at 29k and go up to almost 40k.

That is a great looking 3 door Mazda3
:lol: I was about to post the same thing! I'll bet that BMW will make the navigation and heated seats mandatory, and then charge $40k+ for it. And then price an M1 within $5k of an M3.

Make it a 135xti, and we may have a deal.

ye, beautiful, I want 3 door version..

given it's size and potential weight it should be able to kill the e46 m3 and be an auto-x monster

The side and rear of that car is uber-hot, but the nose just kills it for me. Not sure why - espesiallly since I love the 3-series.

You realize there is camo on the front right?

I'd totally rock one of those if they price it right.

That pedestrian-friendly snout is a turn off.

It is weird how neither the three door nor the convertible have made it to market yet. The 5 door has been out for several years now I think.

You realize there is camo on the front right?
:shrug: Maybe it's that, but I have seen pics of other 1-series cars and the look and proportions of the headlights versus the grill just kills it for me. Which is a shame, cuz those ultra-short overhangs plus the rest of the body is sweet.

Oh well - I don't think it matters really, since I have big doubts that this car ever comes to the US. BMW already has the Mini when it comes to the small car market.

1 series are RWD right???

1 series are RWD right???

Yep.

I think the US will be getting some version of the 1 series and the 2 series once it comes out.

:lol: I was about to post the same thing! I'll bet that BMW will make the navigation and heated seats mandatory, and then charge $40k+ for it. And then price an M1 within $5k of an M3.

x2 (Mazda3).

For some reason I'm seeing Golf in the back end.

To whoever said the comment about the pedestrian friendly noses...I couldn't agree with you more. I'm getting sick of the tall car fad. That's why I have my fingers crossed I can get into something WRX related before the new restyle comes out. I'm not holding my breath.

The M1 would be fun, but when's the last time BMW produced a value package car?

EDIT: Waitaminute...they couldn't even call it the M1. They already produced the M1...their first (and only IMO) true sports car.

yea, i think they are decals... if you look at the thrid pictures, the reflections give it away, granted it fooled me frome the first pic...

when i saw the title, i thought it was gonna be a 1.3 liter... but i realized it was 135.... and that means its a 1 series, with a 3.5 liter motor... the 3.5 twin turbo motor... this is gonna be freaking awesome.

Um, the 135 has a 3.0l twin turbo motor. BMW uses the 3.0l motor in the 325, 328, 330, 335 3-series cars. I hate when they do that.

Sign me up

Man, that is sexy! I hope that they make a 3 door version!!

that IS the 3 door version.
look carefully

um....i'll take two of those please!

I really love this car, and would buy one if it came stateside..........but one thing could kill it for me. If it doesnt have an LSD....I dont want it.

Now that's awesome but nothing compared to the 2008 Sti Hatch. (right SoA??!!)

VW what? :devil:

i love it!

*faint*

I'd bite the bullet and get a 3 door if they brought this stateside. Who cares about practicality.

Unfortunately, BMW has already stated that the 1 series is not coming stateside as a hatchback. This is me sad.

~~Quentin

if they bring it like that... i will buy, that thing is hot as hell plus twin turbo 6 cylinder rwd... plus nice ammentities... i bet that car with some wheels, coil's, sways, intake, exhaust and a tune will rip

I'd bite the bullet and get a 3 door if they brought this stateside. Who cares about practicality.

Unfortunately, BMW has already stated that the 1 series is not coming stateside as a hatchback. This is me sad.

~~Quentin
Q - They make a non-hatched 1 Series? Or is this a future model?

:shrug: Maybe it's that, but I have seen pics of other 1-series cars and the look and proportions of the headlights versus the grill just kills it for me. Which is a shame, cuz those ultra-short overhangs plus the rest of the body is sweet.

Oh well - I don't think it matters really, since I have big doubts that this car ever comes to the US. BMW already has the Mini when it comes to the small car market.

I agree, the 1 has some very interesting, if not beautiful, contours on the side and in the back. Much like the Z4, only to a lesser extent.

But the face just kills it. Something about the proportion makes the kidney grill look like a pig snout. The face destroys an otherwise interesting design. Also kinna like the Z4, but to a greater extent.

But I don't think it will conflict with the MINI in the US. The MINI is a euro B-segment car that is priced around $25K for a moderately optioned S version. (Unless you go option banzai) A level up is a 328i, (which I'm sure will become 330i in a couple years with no price increase) which STARTS at $32K and with sports pack and Xenon already pushes 35K. So I would say that BMW has a slot empty at around $30K for a decently equipped 130i, a euro C-segment car, and $35K for a 135i.

Now I don't know if BMW can actually deliver the 1 at those prices, since some say that production cost of the 1 is in fact not that far below that of the 3. But if they can, seeing that the STI costs $32K already, a $35K twin turbo 3.0 I6 RWD compact with a BMW roundel is really not a bad deal.

Um, the 135 has a 3.0l twin turbo motor. BMW uses the 3.0l motor in the 325, 328, 330, 335 3-series cars. I hate when they do that.

hahah your right, i wasnt thinking when i posted that, i was halfway looking up stuff for my wii as well as surfing nabisco.

Now I don't know if BMW can actually deliver the 1 at those prices, since some say that production cost of the 1 is in fact not that far below that of the 3. But if they can, seeing that the STI costs $32K already, a $35K twin turbo 3.0 I6 RWD compact with a BMW roundel is really not a bad deal.

And how much higher are the production costs of the 5 series and 7 series? I would imagine these products would make up for lost profits down the ladder.


-Matt

Q - They make a non-hatched 1 Series? Or is this a future model?


BMW 1-series is coming. For real this time. Just don't ask when.
Posted Nov 21st 2006 7:51AM by Damon Lavrinc
Filed under: Economy, Euro, Hatchbacks, BMW

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/11/1_series_inmotion.jpg

For those of us looking for the spiritual successor to the BMW 2002, we've been waiting patiently as the folks across the Atlantic were able to walk into their local BMW dealer and order up a 130i. BMW's excuses for not importing the 1-series to North America centered on the weak dollar and a supposed lack of interest in hatchbacks (MINI anyone?), but we've been told that's about to change.

Way back in January of this year, BMW's CEO, Tom Purves, was quoted by Automotive News as saying that the 1-series, "is absolutely coming" and up until now, that's the last we've heard.

Now, in another interview with AutoNews, Norbert Reithofer, BMW's newest CEO, says, "We will definitely bring the 1-series to the United States, but it will not be a hatchback." Instead, we should expect a coupe, sedan and station wagon (although we're not quite sure how that's different from the image above) in the future.

We're not ready to hold our breath, but it's nice to know that the possibility is still on the table.

As far as I know, there aren't any 1 series coupes, sedans, or wagons around at the moment... but I do recall the previous 1 (maybe 2 series) was available in Europe in a sedan and coupe. It was basically a dopey looking e46 era compact. I can't seem to find any pictures online, though. I walked by one daily when I was in England.

~~Quentin

that thing is awesome! I want one! That camo job reminds me of the one we did for a truck we were working on. We had 6 doors! Oh and the fuel filler door was in the middle of on of the rear doors. I love ghetto camo!

As far as I know, there aren't any 1 series coupes, sedans, or wagons around at the moment... but I do recall the previous 1 (maybe 2 series) was available in Europe in a sedan and coupe. It was basically a dopey looking e46 era compact. I can't seem to find any pictures online, though. I walked by one daily when I was in England.

~~Quentin


Yes I think there is only the 1 series 5 door. I think it is strange because we have seen them testing convertibles and 3 doors for a while now.
The car you saw in England is the 3 series compact. The US got the E36 version but not the successor. It was just the 3 door.
http://www.km77.com/marcas/bmw/serie3compact_01/325ti-p/med/3-4del.jpg

As far as I know, there aren't any 1 series coupes, sedans, or wagons around at the moment... but I do recall the previous 1 (maybe 2 series) was available in Europe in a sedan and coupe. It was basically a dopey looking e46 era compact. I can't seem to find any pictures online, though. I walked by one daily when I was in England.

~~Quentin

Yeah, the BMW compact. basically a 3 series with the rear chopped off and the previous series' rear suspension. No real performance models and built down to a price to sell to badge snobs who couldn't finance a full size 3. Garbage, really.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/1sepbmw6.jpg

And how much higher are the production costs of the 5 series and 7 series? I would imagine these products would make up for lost profits down the ladder.


-Matt

At least that would explain BMW's reluctance to sell these in the US. Not much profit while potentially upsetting the badge snobs who can't stand to be in the same dealership as "normies" like me looking at the 1. :lol:

Yes I think there is only the 1 series 5 door. I think it is strange because we have seen them testing convertibles and 3 doors for a while now.
The car you saw in England is the 3 series compact. The US got the E36 version but not the successor. It was just the 3 door.
http://www.km77.com/marcas/bmw/serie3compact_01/325ti-p/med/3-4del.jpg

Yes, that's it. I couldn't remember if it went under the 3 or another number. I could remember the headlights as clear as day, though. :lol:

I think the US market would latch onto the 1 series. The 3 really is a pretty sizable car. The interior is loads bigger than a Legacy GT. The 1 series would be great for those wanting a RWD Impreza sized car with all the things that make BMWs such nice drivers' cars. I have a MINI and it is just a hair too small for me. Right now, VW and Audi offer the only smaller cars with really nice interiors (GTI and A3).

~~Quentin

1 series + 3.0TT = win

That's hot. I want one. I want two!

^ +1 lightweight + RWD + 300+HP FTW!
:lol: :lol: at the diguise.
look good!! I love the look of the one series but then the price is a bit high and very little space in the rear half.
woa never knew a E46 Compact existed...

man that looks great...wow!

I don't remember any glowing reviews for any of the 1 series. Most of the complaints were due to its small size and crazy prices, so I'm having trouble believing that it would sell well in the US. I've yet to see a review that claimed the problem with the 130i was a lack of power.

Top Gear - 130i vs R32 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mqvHg0vf-T8)
Fifth Gear - 130i vs R32 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0rKuHe_VHM)
Kermit Drives the 1 Series (http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/11/bmw-1-series-kermit-the-frog-advertisement/)

I don't remember any glowing reviews for any of the 1 series. Most of the complaints were due to its small size and crazy prices, so I'm having trouble believing that it would sell well in the US. I've yet to see a review that claimed the problem with the 130i was a lack of power.

Top Gear - 130i vs R32 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mqvHg0vf-T8)
Fifth Gear - 130i vs R32 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0rKuHe_VHM)
Kermit Drives the 1 Series (http://paultan.org/archives/2006/07/11/bmw-1-series-kermit-the-frog-advertisement/)

In the UK the 1 is priced very close to the 3, especially when you option it with the M sport pack. I think this has been the source of much criticism, but even then the sales has been pretty good as far as I can gather.

For the 1 to be successfully in the US, I think it needs to be priced at least $4~5K below the 3, engine for engine. And it probably needs to be a coupe or a sedan, even though I would much prefer a hatch. And of course they need to do something about that gawd aweful face.

Baaaaaaaaaaad. I want it too.

The 1 has sold in 5-door livery for all this time because they sell like hotcakes in Europe. We are getting closer to one for us, but BMW in thier wisdom will bring it over in a 2002 style two-door sedan only. This will make it possible to label a perf model as the M2. They will never call a perf 1-series an M1 because of the legendary supercar's historic nature as the original M.

amazing! I love the shape of the car...looks nice! Make it AWD and then we'll be talking. :)

I can't see this car being much lighter than the regular 3-series.
130i was around 3230lbs and the newer ones are only going to be heavier.

I think I'm going to e-stab the next person that asks for an AWD BMW over the better handling RWD. Lets add weight and make it understeer! :mad:

/snobbish rant

~~Quentin

I'm with you quentin.. I actually stopped myself from responding to that earlier for fear of starting a flame war... and because I remembered that BMW is back to using the good (rear biased) AWD system from the e30 325iX. As long as it's an option I wouldn't care.

Honestly though, as much as I like the look of the 1 series and love small cars, I'd pass on it in favor of a used 3 series or a perfectly restored 2002tii any day. It's just too heavy.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Something to replace my R32 w/ ftw

Honestly though, as much as I like the look of the 1 series and love small cars, I'd pass on it in favor of a used 3 series or a perfectly restored 2002tii any day. It's just too heavy.

Yeah, but not everyone wants to/can afford to use a 10~30 year old BMW as a daily driver, regardless of how well it drives.

I think it's a good point that this thing will not be weighing in under 3000lbs. My guess is that it will be maybe 200lbs lighter than a similarly equipped 3, which is already pretty heavy. But then again, what alternative is significantly lighter these days?

Yeah, but not everyone wants to/can afford to use a 10~30 year old BMW as a daily driver, regardless of how well it drives.I can assure you that a professionally restored 30 year old 2002 is going to be cheaper and much more reliable to daily drive than a twin turbo new-age BMW... and you could even drive the 2002tii hard on the street without risking loss of your license.

Just got back from Mexico and was amazed at how many nice cars are not available in the U.S., including the BMW 1 series. If BMW brings the 1 series it would be wise to have the price point under the 3 series, closer to its VW competition.

Autoblog.it says the 1 series 3 door has arrived. BMW has been busy.

http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/bmw_serie_1_tre_porte.jpg

story and video of facelift

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/01/2007-bmw-1-series-facelift-video.html

looks like a shoe

I thought that BMW would do something to that horrible horrible front end, but apparently somebody high up the chain has a pretty twisted sense of beauty.

I hope the US version doesn't look like that.