I also posted this in the Vendor Announcement forum:

DENT Sport Garage of Norwood, MA is proud to announce the acquisition of a Dyno Dynamics AWD chassis dynamometer. DSG has teamed up with Matt Koestner of MKTuned to form what could be considered an industry powerhouse. DSG is now capable of handling your entire Subaru project from start to finish under one roof. No more taking cars out of the shop to tune. We are currently offering custom in-house developed Subaru reflashes and custom tuning for all Subaru models. For any questions, please contact Matt, his email is MattK@dentsport.com. For more info on Matt, check here: http://www.dentsport.com/?p=186

We are looking at a 6-8 week time line as far as delivery and setup is concerned. Keep checking the DSG website (www.dentsport.com) for more info!

Awesome. A Dyno Dynamics is not cheap. Congrats guys - you're on fire.


-Paddy

Just in time for my 1st baseline dyno, hella sweet!

Congrats & good luck

Nice.

Fantastic... now i have a treadmill for my fat ass.

sweet. any idea of how it will be setup? Cell being built? good air flow?

thanks
-Eric

Sweetness, an even shorter drive than Ayer.

sweet. any idea of how it will be setup? Cell being built? good air flow?

thanks
-Eric

Probably not a dedicated cell right away, but I can tell you that we will have one of the most advanced fume extraction and cooling airflow systems in the area. There are plans for top-mount specific ducting to insure proper airflow through the core for Subarus and other top-mount setups. We [DSG] have a lot of experience with Subaru vehicles and can promise you the best service in the area.

I can't wait. Congrats DSG!!!

A buddy of mine went there and told me they're new dyno runs low...

IBtypicalNASIOCnitwit

Awesome news ... Congrats on the new toy ...

We are currently offering custom in-house developed Subaru reflashes and custom tuning for all Subaru models.

Any plans for the not so custom ecu programs? ... ECUTek, AP, UTEC etc. ...

A buddy of mine went there and told me they're new dyno runs low...

IBtypicalNASIOCnitwit

That wont be possible with the new calibration software. :D DD to read like DJ now.

Awesome news ... Congrats on the new toy ...



Any plans for the not so custom ecu programs? ... ECUTek, AP, UTEC etc. ...

No to ECUTek and Protuner. Matt can provide a comparable tune without the expense of licensing and the inconvenience of the AP, although you won't be able to brag to your friends about that shiny new ECUTek license. We can do UTEC. No problems tuning a StreetTuner if you buy it and bring it to us, we already have some local guys happily running DSG Tuned ST setups.

To the people who complain about low numbers: Do you want a 'big bragging number' or do you want an accurate, repeatable tool for calibrating an engine management system? A DD will not deliver the inflated numbers a Dynojet does, however trap speeds don't lie.

so, what is your tuning software of choice at DSG?

<Borat>Very nice.</Borat> Also curious about your preferred tuning software. COM allows ECU tuning, but not piggybacks, I think. Not 100% sure.

To the people who complain about low numbers: Do you want a 'big bragging number' or do you want an accurate, repeatable tool for calibrating an engine management system? A DD will not deliver the inflated numbers a Dynojet does, however trap speeds don't lie.
I think REDrum was being facetious. Check your sarcasm meter, it's b0rked.:banana:

Raj

nice!

now, the kicker. how much for dyno time? (i do most of my own tuning, but hate road tuning due to the ludicrous speeds i have to drive to get a good datalog)

Raj, we can burn directly to your ECU. It's legal 'cause Ryan was running a similar setup this season. We know that Niall was being sarcastic but since the general audience may have had the same reaction in a non-sarcastic way we decided to give him some credit and treat the response with some thought in case others were actually concerned with that issue.

I love you.

Al

PS- Jasper, we're working on that. It'll be inline with our competitors.

[QUOTE=re92;16300892 I think REDrum was being facetious. Check your sarcasm meter [/QUOTE]

It was DSG's FACETIOUS meter that was 'bOrked'; thats why they didn't get it. I was there last week and their sarcasm meter was fully calibrated and spot on.

Raj- I should elaborate on that flash thing.. the rules of COm (and I'm going to be hit with a Miata tomorrow if I'm wrong) are that you can reflash/reprogram the ECU as long as you don't raise boost.

There are still major advantages to be had without touching the boost, especially with drive by wire that Ryan took advantage of to make more power. I suggest that you do it, whether it's with us or otherwise.. your car will be a lot faster.



AL, at home snuggling with Niall.

Oh I agree. The rule is:
CHG B. In cars using computers, software or hardware replacement or
CHG changes of the factory ECU is permitted. Ignition coil may be
upgraded. Any ignition may be used as long as the stock spark trigger
CHG (distributor) is used. Forced induction cars must use stock boost
CHG levels.

That seems to make it seem like piggybacks are legal as well as ECU reflash/reprogram. FTW! I would like to do it but I don't know if I can afford to.

Raj

I could see someone protesting a piggyback in ST since its a non-stock 'spark trigger.' You could also argue that the spark trigger is the crank/cam position sensor, thereby making a piggyback legal.

Good pick on the DD. They're hands down the best dyno for tuning. They're not so good at inflating the horsepower balloon.

~Pete

i got dibs on the first run on the dyno for customers!:banana: If dsg allows it.

Alex and bill, you guys should have a dyno day now instead o:) f just a dsg bbq

If I have an ecutek license and tune, could you still tune my car? Would a DSG tune be comparable in cost to a new Ecutek tune? Feel free to pm me with a rough estimate if so. I finally installed the headers that I bought from you over the summer and ported and wrapped.

Foxboro, absolutely we can do that. I'll have Matt PM you today about detalis. The cost would be comparible. For a customer without Ecutek, the savings would be great if they were considering either our flash or Ecutek since we're not selling a license to use our product.

wait are you guys tuning ecutek im a little confused.

http://www.timberlinegreetings.com/_images/TEL-3.jpg

We are not tuning Ecutek but we can present you with options. We do not have an ecutek license. If you'd like to call to talk about the options give us a call.

Alex

this sounds great guys!!! i'm glad everything is starting to take off with DSG!!!

Erik

Oh I agree. The rule is:
CHG B. In cars using computers, software or hardware replacement or
CHG changes of the factory ECU is permitted. Ignition coil may be
upgraded. Any ignition may be used as long as the stock spark trigger
CHG (distributor) is used. Forced induction cars must use stock boost
CHG levels.

That seems to make it seem like piggybacks are legal as well as ECU reflash/reprogram. FTW! I would like to do it but I don't know if I can afford to.

Raj
Ask your parents for some seed $$. :D Congrats guys. :)

--kC

wait are you guys tuning ecutek im a little confused.

It sounds like they have some sort of open source programing for reflashing (and reflashing over Ecutek). Its probably exactly like Ecutek, without the licensing fees or a big banner for the shop. Hacking an ECU shouldn't be very hard for a talented progammer/engineer/tuner. Matt is all of the above.

It sounds like they have some sort of open source programing for reflashing (and reflashing over Ecutek). Its probably exactly like Ecutek, without the licensing fees or a big banner for the shop. Hacking an ECU shouldn't be very hard for a talented progammer/engineer/tuner. Matt is all of the above.

Probably this stuff: openecu.org

This is great software, and is 99% as capable of tuning as the more expensive stuff.

Congrats DSG!

this sounds great guys!!! i'm glad everything is starting to take off with DSG!!!

Erik

sell ur damn acura and buy another black STi and build it even better than before!!!

Congrats DSG! ...I wonder how your neighbors are going to feel about this :devil:

ya...that dynos going to be LOUD

It sounds like they have some sort of open source programing for reflashing (and reflashing over Ecutek). Its probably exactly like Ecutek, without the licensing fees or a big banner for the shop. Hacking an ECU shouldn't be very hard for a talented progammer/engineer/tuner. Matt is all of the above.

Exactly Pete. Every marque has it's own version of this software, and there are many platforms for the most part. (this isn't my forte by a longshot and Matt can step in for me anytime once my palms get sweaty) It's our contention that this is a great alternative to Cobb or Ecutek if a customer were doing comparison shopping.

sweet...when you guys get your dyno, if you could delete my ecutek that would be sweet. I want sumthing a little more accessible. I believe you guys are going to tune with openecu right?

Congratulations guys! For a LONG time now I've heard nothing but good feedback on the skills of your mechanics, now you'll be able to provide full "mod to tune" service...SWEET!. I hope it works out really well for you.

I just had my car at KTR to get some major work done. The main reason was that I went to KTR vs you guy's is I really didn't want to take the car anywhere with all the engine mods done and not have the ECU updated/reprogrammed before it left the shop. Good luck with the dyno.

When does OMH make it onto the Dyno?

They make one for big rigs but not our model. OMH pounds down the power to the tune of probably 100whp.

yeah, but 350 wtq

yeah, but 350 wtq

We would be sad if Ye 'Ole Mother H broke the dyno on day zero :p

-Matt

If you guys are using an Openecu type software package, what will happen when ECUtek drops the legal hammer on the major users of this software? Rumor from the UK is that they are deep in the paperwork and are charging hard to target facilities and distributors of the Openecu type stuff. Too bad too since it is sure a heck of a lot cheaper to obtain. Congrats on the dyno and we'll probably be contacting you about usage when we return from PRI.

The short response for now is that there's already established case law that states, in effect that there is no copyright on data contained on the ECU. Ecutek's license may speak otherwise as to the use of their licensed ECUs but there is no precedent that lays foundation for them to tell a non Ecutek user what they can or cannot do with their car.

Should they somehow win the issue would only concern customers who are Ecutek users, not someone who has a factory stock ECU and wants a reflash. Ecutek has no control over that.

A major hurdle that they would have to overcome is that they're trying to control what a customer does with a product that they bought, in a car that they own with no signing away of specific rights over the issue. I think that their case is a long shot to say the least. They'll bury themselves in legal fees.

I'm not a lawyer, and I respect the importance of such software as Open Ecu, it and others have been around for over 10 years, Matt has been making Honda chips since he was in college.

I also respect the market effect it will have on Ecutek but I feel that customers can do what they want, especially since Ecutek and the like aren't being sued for the exact thing by Subaru or Mitsubishi, who's code they have stolen and copied, who's ECUs they have cracked, to make this software in the first place.

That's my personal opinion, not necessarily the one of the shop. If a company told me that I couldn't reprogram my Evo's ecu, when I've had no prior contact with the company that I'd be quite surprised. Like I said though, I'm not a lawyer, I'm a former business student that took like 3 courses on business law. I'd be upset as a business concern if I was able to charge customers over 600 dollars every time they needed my product, then one day comes along a better product, with the same features and there is no license fee. To win a case against that would be my primary goal as my market exclusivity has disappeared and I can't charge premium pricing, my entire business plan folds as there are now options for customers. It's called a competitive market, as we all know. I'd like to add that we're also tuning with Cobb street tuner, Utec and systems similar to the above for marques other than Subaru. We're not trying to be tuning renegades, just trying to offer as many solutions as possible to the customer.

well put ... very "official" like

hey guys, gonna be around tomorrow?
probably gonna be in that area around 4pm-ish

Probably not at 4pm. We have some morning appointments but that's about it for a Saturday.

Alex

cool, catch you some other day.

if anyone is around, I'll be there around 6pm it seems.
The guy I'm meeting there (central location so i can get a stereo for my car) is interested in finding a local tuner to install his 20G turbo
I pointed him your way

yay for DSG dyno

I would never go to you guys... pssss lol see you guys soon

yay for DSG dyno

I would never go to you guys... pssss lol see you guys soon

wait...
did he put sarcasm on top of sarcasm that was in a sarcastic sentence?
****ing internet...

when's the first dyno day?

I live and eat sarcasm (doesnt taste good though)

Can't we all just be happy

DSG Dyno Day, count me in. Rather go to my 2nd home than XX

A dyno in Norwood is awesome for me. Subscribed. Please update this thread when you get it in. Your dyno and my car need some UTEC speed density lovin. Got any preliminary prices on DIY tunes (as in I rent the dyno for an hour or two)?

We'll be getting our act together by the end of the week and posting prices for all different types of services including the above. Sorry about the delay. This process has been a long one!

Alex

The short response for now is that there's already established case law that states, in effect that there is no copyright on data contained on the ECU. Ecutek's license may speak otherwise as to the use of their licensed ECUs but there is no precedent that lays foundation for them to tell a non Ecutek user what they can or cannot do with their car.

Should they somehow win the issue would only concern customers who are Ecutek users, not someone who has a factory stock ECU and wants a reflash. Ecutek has no control over that.

A major hurdle that they would have to overcome is that they're trying to control what a customer does with a product that they bought, in a car that they own with no signing away of specific rights over the issue. I think that their case is a long shot to say the least. They'll bury themselves in legal fees.
.....
.....

I'm no lawyer either and I could be totally off the mark with this but.....

I'm not sure if they hold any patents or copyrights in the U.S. I didn't see anything on Ecutek's website regarding copyrighted or trademarked material.
However, the Digital Millenium Copyright Act's claws and attack on fair use is not out of the realm of possibility here.

DMCA is very good at controlling what we can and can't do with copyrighted/licensed work. While it was meant to curb internet piracy, it could be used for other means.
all your maps are belong to us.
all your maps are belong to us.
all your maps.
all your maps.
DMCA is bad (http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences.php)


/subscribed
looking forward to some dyno time/tune.

Good insight man. Yeah I'm sure that the industry will be waiting to see how this plays out. We heard today that it might be here at the end of January, which is a little ahead of schedule.

Alex

Good insight man. Yeah I'm sure that the industry will be waiting to see how this plays out. We heard today that it might be here at the end of January, which is a little ahead of schedule.

Alex

Ahead of schedule?!?! When does that ever happen?

Yeah, well we won't hold them to that. Nothing ever seems to be ahead of schedule but they're working hard to make it happen.

We discussed our rates. We're posting them here first, probably by the end of the week on our website www.dentsport.com

Dyno Rental- per hour with operator (self tune) $150.00

Dyno Rental with Matt per hour ($200)

Standard reflash of base map on dyno with wideband verification $200

Full Custom dyno Tune for Evo and Subaru- $500

Full Stand Alone tunes ranging from $700 to $1500 depending on car and system.

Matt is a factory trained AEM EMS tuner and EFI 101 graduate.

Any questions please call. We'd like to hear from you.

-Alex

Competitive to say the least (http://www.ktrperformance.com/dyno_tuning/dyno_pricing.htm)
Any ideas for group rates and baselining with no tuning?

We did our research! :)

A few power pulls will run $80 bucks, off and on.

Alex

Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Matt!!!!!!!! This is awesome news.

Raj

so, when do we get to break this thing in as a group day?

I heard from a little birdy that the new dyno will be here somewhat soon! w00t!

End of Jan is what we're being told. Shigga ding dang!

End of Jan is what we're being told. Shigga ding dang!

Hell yea, I'm there.:banana::banana:

Oh
Hell
Yes

Might have to come down before school one day and check out the new building and dyno. . .

aw.. so you're getting rid of this dyno?

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=41

So how long does it take for a openecu tune of an )6 with say just a TBE, with specific octane requirements?

Thanks

Ray

Ray, Matt will shoot you a PM tomorrow or tonight. It won't take too long but we've worked out a fixed reflash price for both custom dyno reflashes and off the shelf reflashes.

Alex

So how long does it take for a openecu tune of an )6 with say just a TBE, with specific octane requirements?

Thanks

Ray

Probably 2 hours or so. It could take longer though, depending on if you want multiple maps for the differing octane fuel.

Probably 2 hours or so. It could take longer though, depending on if you want multiple maps for the differing octane fuel.

any update on when the dyno will be in?

Not yet. The window for building to delivery was quite large so we're hoping by spring.

did you get your dyno yet?

Not yet man. Still waiting. We had some speed bumps along the way that are all sorted out now.

Al

BTW, congrats on making the cover of Sport Compact!!!

Damn! I am dying to know if all 160 ftlbs/hp goes to my 1 front wheel! I need to know!!!

:)

Paul G.

can you do diesels?

Yes, we can.

Can you do electrics?

Raj

Raj, yes we can. :)

do you do free diagnosis on transmissions

Rob, just send us a PM.

-Alex

Alex,
Def interested in getting some baselines and then stepping up to STg 2 Cobb.
You guys hooked me up last year, 06 Blue STI with STg1 and some other goodies.
Let me know when this thing is up and running.


Congrats....

Thanks,

Guys, the dyno arrived today! We're setting it up now. Should be operational soon although construction of the cell will take a few weeks.

:banana: :banana:


Alex

Guys, the dyno arrived today! We're setting it up now. Should be operational soon although construction of the cell will take a few weeks.

:banana: :banana:


Alex

And the madness begins...post pix now!

Awesome.

It already reads low.

Hmm, should I drop my car off tonight for the unrelated maintenance.

Guys, the dyno arrived today! We're setting it up now. Should be operational soon although construction of the cell will take a few weeks.

:banana: :banana:


Alex

Nice! Congrats!! I can the fun factor exponentially increasing at DSG this season :)

nice ill be down there soon as its ready to start having cars run on it. I need to see what kinda numbers im putting down with this dyno.

We're building the cell over the next few days. This isn't the final iteration of our setup. We have big plans to make the cell a quiet and efficient space.

http://www.dentsport.com/gallery/d/6564-1/10.jpg

http://www.dentsport.com/gallery/v/dsg/dynoinstall/

http://www.dentsport.com/gallery/d/6574-1/15.jpg

oh oh tittywops! ^^^

Very nice DSG! I wanted a DD over any other brand when we opened up F1DYNO. The boss had the final word on that. Too bad. Enjoy your new toy guys!

Dave

It already reads low.

Sounds like someone is trying to make excuses for his car's performance ahead of time. ;)

I think Josh knows the full performance of his car better than a lot of people in the area.

ie- he can drive the wheels off it.

Word! Congrats...

Very nice DSG! I wanted a DD over any other brand when we opened up F1DYNO. The boss had the final word on that. Too bad. Enjoy your new toy guys!

Dave

wat ever happened with the dyno from their?

oh and ive been watching a local shop rebuild that silver sti you guys gave back to the owner in pieces:rolleyes: it runs awsome now...

On topic....

Dyno is looking good guys....ill have to get in touch once i pick up street tuner....i talked to Matt when he was at ESP tuning a wrx and a megasquirt eclipse a few weeks back havent had the time to get all my **** together:lol:

Nice man! Sounds good. Whenever you're ready let us know.

Alex

I think Josh knows the full performance of his car better than a lot of people in the area.

ie- he can drive the wheels off it.
I don't doubt that he can drive his car well, I was just referring to his apparent obsession with collecting dyno numbers...

and it wasn't that serious a comment as I used the wink smiley.

Alex is just cranky cause I have become the official recieving dock for DSG.

The low dyno numbers is a joke, a play on the people that bitch about that kinda crap.

BTW, I only drive well once and year and in the rain.

I have become the official recieving dock for DSG

You said you were too sore for that.

That's what I told you cause I prefer Bill.

wat ever happened with the dyno from their?

oh and ive been watching a local shop rebuild that silver sti you guys gave back to the owner in pieces:rolleyes: it runs awsome now...

On topic....

Dyno is looking good guys....ill have to get in touch once i pick up street tuner....i talked to Matt when he was at ESP tuning a wrx and a megasquirt eclipse a few weeks back havent had the time to get all my **** together:lol:


Good job- why not throw some salt in the wound? I'm sure Dave wanted to be out of a job....It's not like he chose to close the shop down.

Anyway, congratulations DSG! I can't wait to see the dyno. Will there be a 'no pants' rule like the rest of the times I've come for service in your shop?


Mike

Good job- why not throw some salt in the wound? I'm sure Dave wanted to be out of a job....It's not like he chose to close the shop down.


We all know BlackSTI2006 is the most intelligent poster in NASIOC :rolleyes:

I finished as much of the car as I could before the doors closed. I acually worked on it right up to the time my toolbox got loaded into the back of my friends truck. I made right with the owner of the car when it left. You should have seen it before I got it! Anyway......... congrats to DSG! You guys have one hell of a shop and a great staff too. Keep up the good work.

Dave

Oh, he was criticizing F1Dyno for leaving a car incomplete when the shop was closing!!!?!

What an ass :rolleyes:

any chance you can tune an emanage ultimate?

IllNasty, yes we can do that. Sent Matt an email at mattk@dentsport.com

-Alex

good to know ! my engine will be DONE by summer.....soon as I get back from Army training. Ive heard lots of good things about your guys. I think my budy @ work knows one of you guys...

anyway. I'm probably gona get the bitch initialy up and running. But would LOVE to go for a decent dyno run/tune to see if I can get a couple different maps..... HP, and fuel econemy :)

......just hoping my tranny makes it through THIS year !

Nice!!! I'll have to go down and check it out ASAP....

The shop is awesome and these guys are cool as hell. Can't wait to put my car on the dyno.

hmmmm.. maybe it's time that I put my car on the dyno for once.

http://www.dentsport.com/gallery/d/6574-1/15.jpg
I like the human tornado in the middle. When will you guys start tuning?

Raj

Right now baby. Right now.

first group dyno day?

How about in April sometime?

I am the human tornado raj! ("el brusco's master")
Sorry for ruining the picture...
Can't wait to see Alex's evo on the roller for numbers. Its going to have a great power to weight ratio.

I was the first customer to get a dyno tune! :banana:

I was the first customer to get a dyno tune! :banana:


and.....how'd you do??? post up the dyno sheet!

Dentsport, I have a new toy to bring around. I shall be consulting you guys soon for my first round of mods. ;)

and.....how'd you do??? post up the dyno sheet!

Dentsport, I have a new toy to bring around. I shall be consulting you guys soon for my first round of mods. ;)

Voila

http://www.dkomm.net/wrx/pics4/dyno.jpg

Mods:

VF34
STi Pinks
Walbro FP
ERZ Uppipe
SSAC TMIC
Stromung Shorty Downpipe
SPT Single-Tip Catback

whats your setup ? ^

I can vouch for matt's tuning skills since he's tuned a bunch of turbo hondas for me. Great tune with no motors blown up whatsoever. He's pulled much more power out of several cars that have been to other tuners in the area prior to matt touching them. He definitely knows what he's doing. DSG are great guys that i've met before too and helped me out with some good advice. Keep up the great work fellas.

whats your setup ? ^

I've edited my post with mods

What engine management?

DSG performed a custom tune for me

What engine management?

The tune was performed using ECU Flash for reading/flashing the ECU and Enginuity 0.4.1 for logging and adjusting the various maps utilizing the Tactrix cable for both operations.

Our hats go off to the Open ECU community for all of their hard work and relentless development. DSG is an active vendor on the Enginuity.org board and makes regular donations to the community, we hope to help get the word out about these great products.


-Matt

The tune was performed using ECU Flash for reading/flashing the ECU and Enginuity 0.4.1 for logging and adjusting the various maps utilizing the Tactrix cable for both operations.

Our hats go off to the Open ECU community for all of their hard work and relentless development. DSG is an active vendor on the Enginuity.org board and makes regular donations to the community, we hope to help get the word out about these great products.


-Matt

Matt,

This is Chris with the Black 06 Sti that talked to you at ESP when you did the megasquirt eclipse and that bugeye with the bad boost solenoid. Im assuming itd be better if i set up the appointment and came there to get tuned instead of you comming to ESP like planned before now that youve got a dyno to use there :lol: Id like to discuss a few things since im still debating to get Streetuner or use Open ECU to tune and get rid of my V1 accessport. I also have some questions about maybe upgrading my boost solenoid and a few other things before tuning. Ive also got a set of step-colder plugs waiting to go in.

Btw did they figure out if the solenoid was bad in that silver bugeye and did you get to retune it?

-Chris

BlackSTI2006 - You should just email Matt directly at MattK@Dentsport.com with your questions. He doesn't have a lot of time these days to post on the message boards...

I'm curious if I should consider this OpenECU over the ECUtek I have now...

I'm curious if I should consider this OpenECU over the ECUtek I have now...
BlackSTI2006 and Chapel, all these engine management systems have their merits. Probably the first decision to make is to make a commitment to who is going to tune your car. Once that's set, decide with your tuner what your goals are with your car and go with what they would recommend and like best to work with. And those conversations are best discussed one on one.

This sort of question pops up all of the time on the Honda boards where there are choices of Hondata, the fancy expensive AEM and Motec systems or a socketed ecu with a choice of Crome, Uberdata and Neptune software programs. And for the best end results, it's finding a good tuner first and then going with his advice. :cool:

well, that's the thing. I want the ability to CHOOSE MY GOD DAMN MAPS!

Just email Matt... lol

Chapel, please call us with specific tuning questions. With open Ecu or a similar reflash of any kind you will not be able to switch maps.
If you are happy with whatever you have, keep it. If you find it absolutely imperative to switch maps, for whatever reason that may be, then use Cobb or the like.

Ultimately if you want a car that runs perfectly everytime, and with safety and consistency then you should let Matt tune your ECU once and leave it alone.

We've also had a lot of inquiries on when we're going to do a dyno day for Subaru. We just want to finish our dyno cell before doing an entire day of runs so we don't smoke the shop up too much. The ventilation system is underway and the cell is almost done after 14 days straight of building so it should be very soon.

Patience with the dyno day guys. Let them do whatever that is need to be done, the dyno day will come anytime soon afterward.

We've also had a lot of inquiries on when we're going to do a dyno day for Subaru. We just want to finish our dyno cell before doing an entire day of runs so we don't smoke the shop up too much. The ventilation system is underway and the cell is almost done after 14 days straight of building so it should be very soon.can you hook up to a 5 inch exhaust?

I am sure, based on being there every other day since they started construction, that they can accommodate any setup.

The fan they are getting is 15hp!!! OMGhi2U!!

well, that's the thing. I want the ability to CHOOSE MY GOD DAMN MAPS!

How about you do some research then....switching maps is overated....i mean get a good tune that somewhat conservative for daily driving....if you want to have a race gas or pump gas race maps then get your own laptop, download ECU Flash and Enginuity yourself and buy a Tactrix cable....

since you probably have a laptop this will only cost you $80-$100 for the cable.....youll be able to have Matt @ DSG or any Open ECU tuner tune the car and make multiple maps that you can save on your laptop......at anytime it is necessary you can flash a different map, if you go to the track or whatnot and want to switch....if you did some research you would see the Open ECU guys are on the verge of releasing realtime tuning/maps which will be nice....

but honestly save your money, go with Open Ecu.....and if you decide to research you could even tune the car yourself....you could even fiddle with maps after someone tunes the car....

hope this helps you out Chapel.



and cant wait for the DSG dyno day I'd love to come check out the shop....

More cell progress we just bought a "fan." It's a doozy. Probably overkill.:lol:

More cell progress we just bought a "fan." It's a doozy. Probably overkill.:lol:

Tittywop muther****er!

You're going to have to wait! :)

question:
I've only ever used Dynojets. I always liked that I get my dyno charts as a file format that I can then bring home and install the Dyno chart reading program and really look at the whole picture (wheel speed, power, torque, AFs, Boost, etc...) on a mappable graph
Does the Dyno Dynamics thing have a similar program?

Yeah, no.

But I'll ask Matt cause I'm not really the expert in this department.

I just wanted to say that I was very impressed with your shop guys. You took care of my car well.....even though I'd be pissed if I were you. You should have made me wash my car before doing my compression test. I'll be back for my eletrical stuff next time Emre goes down. All I need is to check why I'm not getting lighting and a to have a "dimmer" mode. Thanks again guys!

-Derek

hey DSG.

I already have an AccessPort V.1, I was planning on buying the Street Tuner software and learn to tweak maps. My question is how much experience do you have tuning via AccessPort Street Tuner? (05 LGT)

First round will be nothing major, Just a TBE, Headers, Bigger TMIC, Intake.

Down the road Turbo, Pump, Injectors,(maybe meth)

I'm gona get my ultimate up and running...but then I would like some help from someone who knows what they're doing...

how much does your average dyno tune cost ?

hey DSG.

I already have an AccessPort V.1, I was planning on buying the Street Tuner software and learn to tweak maps. My question is how much experience do you have tuning via AccessPort Street Tuner? (05 LGT)

First round will be nothing major, Just a TBE, Headers, Bigger TMIC, Intake.

Down the road Turbo, Pump, Injectors,(maybe meth)

Matt has no problem using Street Tuner to tune as far as I know, and he told me it was one of my options. When I was going over my tuning options I had the choice of getting Street Tuner or getting rid of the Accessport and going with Open ECU.

Matt is on the board of developers for the Open ECU stuff i believe. I've watched him tune before, knows quite a bit. Street Tuner is very easy to learn, read Cobb's PDF manual online for it and you might be allset. If your unsure at all I would have Matt do it and maybe he can give you some pointers.

Just thought I'd throw my personal opinion out there since I have talked with Matt and seen him tune.

While Open ECU is a great thing, I wouldn't recommend everyone to just download it and try their hand at it. You gotta know what you're doing in there because you CAN blow your engine up if you're just clicking buttons. From what I've heard Matt knows his stuff so I'd let him do it no problem, but I wouldn't just read a .pdf file and assume I can tune my own car no problem.

Good to see the dyno cell is coming along guys, Good luck. Maybe I'll be able to get my car there and get the lowest power reading.

While Open ECU is a great thing, I wouldn't recommend everyone to just download it and try their hand at it. You gotta know what you're doing in there because you CAN blow your engine up if you're just clicking buttons. From what I've heard Matt knows his stuff so I'd let him do it no problem, but I wouldn't just read a .pdf file and assume I can tune my own car no problem.

Good to see the dyno cell is coming along guys, Good luck. Maybe I'll be able to get my car there and get the lowest power reading.

I was referring to reading the .pdf file from Cobb for using Street Tuner. Street Tuner is pretty easy and not as complicated at Enginuity, ECU Flash, ECU Edit and other Open Ecu type programs. Many many guys without much experience have taken little steps and progressed with tuning on Street Tuner. Ive seen a couple guys tune their GT35r setups with meth with it and make stupid power.

But like I said best thing to do is talk with Matt, he is very knowledgable and I am sure if you went with Street Tuner he would give you some pointers and help. But like I said until your 100% sure of yourself dont begin to tune, its a lot of numbers and stuff but you get used to it and start to comprehend a lot of things after research and having fun!

Hey! Your English is getting better!

Raj

Hey! Your English is getting better!

Raj

I am working on it for you. Every now and then bad grammar plagues me like a foreign accent and I blurt out something stupid.

BTW where is the picture of this gigantic fan for the dyno cell, sounds pretty badass, will the dyno cell function as a wind tunnel as well:devil:

I was told they won't tittywop.

turbo tecnica, Bill already has the lowest record with his Tercy at 50whp. Sorry man! :)

IllNasty- Average custom tune is $500. Sometimes less if it's cleaning up someone else's.

05WrB WRX- we can definitely help you out with street tuner. Matt's done a few cars already with that software and is very good with it. We could do the installs, then the tune in one stop.

Alex

Thanks Alex,
I'll do the install. sorta pissed i had you guys install my RSB when you did my brakes cause it was to damn easy.

now when the clutch goes thats another story.

^ whats a rsb ? :)

The fan they are getting is 15hp!!! OMGhi2U!!


15 hp? :rolleyes: I expected so much more from you guys!

It's really the best we could do. :)It has an axle and CV joint driving the fan from the motor though, which is pretty cool.

turbo tecnica, Bill already has the lowest record with his Tercy at 50whp. Sorry man! :)

Alex

:lol:

turbo tecnica, Bill already has the lowest record with his Tercy at 50whp. Sorry man! :)wait 'til summer
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/ssnh/misc/IMGP0648.jpg

The dyno doesn't measure manliness, just output.

:lol:

Did you guys call up Amanda at http://www.bigassfans.com/

If not, no extra points for you!

[just designed a garage exhaust system capable of 150K cfm (per code)]

Paul G.

Paultg, the CFM expert!

We just re tuned a 2004 STI that was previously tuned elsewhere. This is the plot an Axis motor, installed here with a GT30 and 800c injectors, external wastegate on pump gas at 20lbs boost. We can produce a better scan if people want to read the X and Y axis. The car picked up over 1 stock WRX worth of power in one day.


This was just the pump gas tune. At over 20psi this turbo really comes into it's own. Sometime this summer we'll do a race gas tune. This particular tune is playing it safe on pump.

See below for image.

Wow.5

How much more boost could you realistically run on pump gas? Is 22psi out of the question? That'd put you a healthy amount into the 400s.

good tuning - crummy scanning - let's see those gradations on the plot - nice result with the car!!!

http://www.dentsport.com/gallery/d/6875-2/DSCF3865.JPG

Wow. Did you guys move the rev limiter forward? Looks like it could spin to 7k+ without losing too much power :D

Raj

That thing will only keep going for sure revs or boost or both. It's not something Matt was shooting for though. It was just the power that the car ended up making.

That thing will only keep going for sure revs or boost or both. It's not something Matt was shooting for though. It was just the power that the car ended up making.

Which hotside did it have?


Thanks!
Mike

Did you kill the pull at 6300? Like to see the rest! Impressive.

Whose 30R kit, and what did it baseline when you started?

Somewhere like 260 at the start plus it ran like ass. It looks like he ran it up to 6800-6900- not sure what the turbine housing is. I can check tomorrow.

Can't wait for my tune tomorrow!

was pleased with my dyno and tune on the 18th

I also was very pleased with the dyno tune. Cool shop. Great group of guys.
Thanks,
Ted
www.rensport.net
RA #66
CARS # whatever ;-)

Thanks a lot Ted. Our goal is to meet the expectations of fellow racers. Having you be happy is really good for our shop. Best of luck this year in PGT.

Alex