Combo:

Element Tuning GT49
Element FEW Competition Up-pipe with EWG
Stock Boost control w/ ProDrive Boost Solenoid
PE 850cc Injectors
APS DR525 FMIC
Borla Hush Exhaust (crap)
Stock manifolds
Cobb Protuned by XX Tuning

362whp 382wtq
22psi 93 Octane

Baseline was a previous tune the car came in with.

The car was dyno'd on our Dynapack, in 5th gear, SAE corrected..

The spool up of this turbo was awesome, great power and torque for pump gas and the combo of parts used. With a true 3" turbo back, this car should have no problems breaking the 380/400 barrier on pump.

The best thing about this turbo is the price, when we get the car back with a good exhaust, I think this turbo is going to be one of the best bang for the buck setups for a mild street tuned STi. 22psi by 3500rpm is insanely fun on the street.

http://skiewert.com/temp/gt49_pump.jpg

Boost and A/F

http://skiewert.com/temp/gt49_pump_boost.jpg

hey chris - what's the setup on the GT49 - 8cm or 7, clipped or unclipped wheel?

I assume at GT49 is similar to a Green?

Nice numbers, was it tuned before for this setup?

hey chris - what's the setup on the GT49 - 8cm or 7, clipped or unclipped wheel?

http://elementtuning.com/Turbochargers/elementgtseriesturbochargers.htm

Everything you need to know, right there.. I'm going to be contacting Element, I'm definitely interested in offering this turbo at our shop.. It's a perfect replacement for the SR55 for those who don't want to spend the $.

I assume at GT49 is similar to a Green?

Nice numbers, was it tuned before for this setup?

Exactly, I was impressed. I don't normally brag on here, but since Phil is a sponsor, and I couldn't find many results with the GT49 on here, I figured I'd post up.

Doug, YES it was tuned prior to coming to us. We retuned it, took the EBC out and put in the prodrive.

why the GT49 over the GT52?

so this is flywheel? If so, those are not great numbers.

so this is flywheel? If so, those are not great numbers.
Combo:

Element Tuning GT49
Element FEW Competition Up-pipe with EWG
Stock Boost control w/ ProDrive Boost Solenoid
PE 850cc Injectors
APS DR525 FMIC
Borla Hush Exhaust (crap)
Stock manifolds
Cobb Protuned by XX Tuning

362whp 382wtq
22psi 93 Octane

why the GT49 over the GT52?


Customer chose the parts, we just tuned it.. I believe he wanted some quick spool up time.

Not bad. The Timing curve needs work however.

Clark

so this is flywheel? If so, those are not great numbers.


XX's Dynapack reads out as flywheel but it is to the wheels. It has to do with the software.

Not bad. The Timing curve needs work however.

Clark

Not entirely. I was having a tough time with this car due to the restricted exhaust system, the car just wouldn't cooperate with me. The timing curve, although not exactly ideal, isn't the problem. This customer will be back with a new exhaust, and this will allow him to run an ideal map that should get him a nice smooth looking graph.

- Chris

XX's Dynapack reads out as flywheel but it is to the wheels. It has to do with the software.

Agreed. I got my car tuned at XX-tuning by Chris. Very pleased with results.

^^very good - thanks for pointing out the whp. Nice spool. Sounds like the gt49 is a clipped 7cm.

Why the hell would you run it in 5th gear? That would seriously exagerate the spoolup and torque.

Why the hell would you run it in 5th gear? That would seriously exagerate the spoolup and torque.

You're supposed to run closest to 1:1, which has always been said to be 5th for STis and 4th for WRXs.

You're supposed to run closest to 1:1, which has always been said to be 5th for STis and 4th for WRXs.

that's right. but sometimes ppl run in 4th just because 5th will be a bit fast.

that's right. but sometimes ppl run in 4th just because 5th will be a bit fast.


On our dyno, speed is not an issue since we bolt the car to the hubs.

5th gear in an STi is the closest gear to 1:1. Ny other lower gear will inflate numbers due to the gearing in the transmission. Some choose to tune in 4th, and few tune in third, I tune in the the gear that will most closely give realistic numbers.

Agreed. I got my car tuned at XX-tuning by Chris. Very pleased with results.

Thanks!

On our dyno, speed is not an issue since we bolt the car to the hubs.

5th gear in an STi is the closest gear to 1:1. Ny other lower gear will inflate numbers due to the gearing in the transmission. Some choose to tune in 4th, and few tune in third, I tune in the the gear that will most closely give realistic numbers.

Chris you must realize that what you said has no truth to it what so ever on a load bearing dyno.....

CLark

Chris you must realize that what you said has no truth to it what so ever on a load bearing dyno.....

CLark

I don't consider a dynojet load bearing and it still inflates the numbers. XXChris....You are wrong dude. 5th gear will inflate the torque numbers severely. With the gearing on the STI it's comonly done in 4th gear regarldless of 1.1. Most dyno operators aren't too fond of 100mph+ pulls with no road wind and cooling capabilities. A fan is one thing, but wind and open air at 100mph is another.

For example at TopSpeed in 4th gear my car made 452lbs. On another dynojet in 3rd gear I couldn't even break 400lbs. And to top it off, it was almost 1,000 rpms later on the tq peak when done in 3rd. I'm sure doing a pull in 5th gear would make for awesome spool......... on paper.

Oh, and personally I would never put my car on a dynopack. I think taking the wheels off is uber gay. I'm certain it can't be real world. I mean come on you take the wheels off for crying out loud. When you are on the street the drag of the weight and rolling resistance doesn't just disappear!

Chris,

Congrats on the tune and I'm glad you are happy with the GT49.

General,

In regards to a Dynapack it really doesn't matter what gear is used in regards to power. A Dynapack's settle time, and ramp time are set within the software. The length of the dyno pull isn't affected by the gear. This isn't a Dynajet.

Exactly....

Clark

Chris you must realize that what you said has no truth to it what so ever on a load bearing dyno.....

CLark
Clark - take it easy on the boy !

On our dyno, speed is not an issue since we bolt the car to the hubs.

5th gear in an STi is the closest gear to 1:1. Ny other lower gear will inflate numbers due to the gearing in the transmission. Some choose to tune in 4th, and few tune in third, I tune in the the gear that will most closely give realistic numbers.

On a fully adjustable dyno it is irrelevant which gear you dyno in with a Subaru

Some cars look for wind speed to match vehicle speed - e.g. BMW - not an issue on a Subaru

I don't care about specifics. Fact is that 5th gear puts more load on the motor and will spool faster as a result inflating spool time and tq numbers. That's my whole point.

I don't care about specifics. Fact is that 5th gear puts more load on the motor and will spool faster as a result inflating spool time and tq numbers. That's my whole point.


How can you say that when you have absolutely no idea what I set the ramp rate too? Your point is wrong, and specifics do matter. I can run a car in fifthe gear and set the ramp rate to 5 seconds, putting no load on the car at all, or, I can set it to 30 seconds and make it seem like it's climbing Mt Everest.

Here is a fact, when we tune STi's, we tune them in 5th gear, we set the ramp rate and settle time the same for all them. When tuning an STi in 4th gear, using the same parameters as fifth, the cars numbers magically make about 20hp/tq more. Is it because of the ramp settings that we use? Sure it could be.

Sorry for the confusion.

I don't care about specifics. Fact is that 5th gear puts more load on the motor and will spool faster as a result inflating spool time and tq numbers. That's my whole point.

Are you forgetting the fact that dyno's are just tools!

You seem to be to hung up on the fact that different tuners use different dynos. A Mustang will read different than a Dynojet which will read different than a Dynodynamics and so on.

If the base line numbers were taken in 5th gear and all pulls after tha base line were done in 5th gear where is the problem?

I agree that comparing numbers taken from a dyno pull where the car was run in 4th gear shouldn't be compared to a car done in 5th gear. I don't see the issue with comparing numbers from the same car, run on the same dyno in the same gear.

If Topspeed tunes in 4th that is their choice, it doen't mean that if someone else tunes in 3rd or 5th it is wrong. As long as the same gear is used for all comparisons the info should be comparable.

Your comment about the b0rla hush catback, I assume the reason you're saying that its not true 3" is because it was installed with the 2.5" stock donut flange, as opposed to the optional 3" flat flange adapter?

That's my dyno Graph. The element kit is an unclipped turbine. Chris and the guys at XX Tuning are awsome. Drove two and a half hours to get this thing tuned and I couldn't be happier. Thanks for the help guys.

PS It's the borla single tip not the Hush. The flange is not the stock donut. I had a 3" flange welded to the exhaust.

PS It's the borla single tip not the Hush. The flange is not the stock donut. I had a 3" flange welded to the exhaust.


Ah, sorry about that, why did I think it was a hush?

Either way, glad your happy... Hey, I may be getting an LCD TV, I may need an install at the house soon ;)

Hey chris,

doesnt this gt49 work and look identical to a blouch turbo / fp green
cause there gt52 my buddy bought and his friend has the blouch dominator and they look identical.

i could be wrong but it looks like element just put there name on it and bumped the price.

what are your thoughts???

thanx

Hey chris,

doesnt this gt49 work and look identical to a blouch turbo / fp green
cause there gt52 my buddy bought and his friend has the blouch dominator and they look identical.

i could be wrong but it looks like element just put there name on it and bumped the price.

what are your thoughts???

thanx


I don't want to start a pissing contest between two turbo manufacturers. I will tell you that we spoke to Phil (Element Tuning) yesterday, and we are going to begin to distribute his turbos. I was VERY impressed with the spool up of this turbo along with the power it made. The price is less then an SR series from APS, and the results were about the same minus the lag of the SR55. I'm sure some like the Dominator, but I personally have not had great results with it.

- Chris

so why was the borla crap? what is wrong with that exhaust? :eek:

PS It's the borla single tip not the Hush. The flange is not the stock donut. I had a 3" flange welded to the exhaust.

hey man, it's justin from precision, glad to hear finally got the car tuned and running well.

Thanks man. Did Shane ever resurface or is he still missing from the planet? Who recently left the shop? I saw that Rich was hiring.

Hey chris,

doesnt this gt49 work and look identical to a blouch turbo / fp green
cause there gt52 my buddy bought and his friend has the blouch dominator and they look identical.

i could be wrong but it looks like element just put there name on it and bumped the price.

what are your thoughts???

thanx

From what I was told the GT-49 is largly the same at a Deadbolt SZ-49 minus the clipped wheel.

Chris now knowing which exhaust I'm actually using do you still think that was the weak link? Give me a couple of exhaust systems that you recommend.

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Thanks man. Did Shane ever resurface or is he still missing from the planet? Who recently left the shop? I saw that Rich was hiring.

Still haven't heard from shane. Don just left last week. He started a job closer to his house.

Keep fishing guys. LOL! We have changed turbo suppliers a number of times. As stated in the past Element Tuning does not manufacture turbochargers and never plans to. The GT49 and GT52 are very similar to other manufacturers offerings but there are differences. While these differences may seem minor, everyone is pulling from the same pile of parts from Mitsubishi and Garrett. The devil is in the details.

Thanks,
Phil
www.elementtuning.com

From what I was told the GT-49 is largly the same at a Deadbolt SZ-49 minus the clipped wheel.

Chris now knowing which exhaust I'm actually using do you still think that was the weak link? Give me a couple of exhaust systems that you recommend.

From what I've seen, the best exhausts that seem to work are:

Cobb 3" TBE
APS 3" TBE (3.5 is nice for Stg 4 cars, but can get loud)
Nvidia (Loud)

Those are the top three favorites.

cool thanks. Chris read the PM I sent you.

From what I've seen, the best exhausts that seem to work are:

Cobb 3" TBE
APS 3" TBE (3.5 is nice for Stg 4 cars, but can get loud)
Nvidia (Loud)

Those are the top three favorites.

Chris,

Which NVidia Downpipe do you like? Divorced or Bellmouth?

Bellmouth.. But I'm sure others will disagree.. I actually love the Cobb and APS downpipes.

How does the GT49 compare to a deadbolt SZ49?

Same price range? Yes

Compressor Coating? Deadbolt not sure about Element?

Monster Port? Both I believe

Cipped wheel? Element only I think unless deadbolt offers as an option?

Is this really the only difference? How do the dyno charts compare to SZ49 that XX has tuned?

Love my GT52 :banana:

sz49 comes clipped. Blouch Dominator I does not have the clip. Interesting to see any difference in spoolup/topend.

When it comes to these 50trim turbos, you typically seem them clipped when you have an internal wastegate. This setup has an external gate, so an unclipped wheel makes more sense.

Just because the Dominator I and the GT52 look the same doesn't mean they are. The housings are the same, so from a glance, they should look very similar.

Phil is not a turbo builder. He's a tuner. The turbos he sells are made by other manufacturers to the specs he asks for. Similar to what Prodrive does on some of their products. Prodrive doesn't make their wheels, but their wheels are made to their specs.

It'd be interesting to see what that will do with a meth injection kit...like the Hydramist on 50/50. I'd bet the spool would be sweet......

I agree, either Meth or 104 unleaded would make this car much more fun on the street ;)

Looks like its time for a trip back to XX, Jay just picked up a set of perin headers and an aps 3.5 TBE. Lets hope he can break 400 this time around.

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