Ive been working on pushing the envelope of my small wrx turbo for a wile now. And finally my quest is about over or more yet my turbo is at its limits.Thats right just yesterday my car made 302wtq @ 3500 rpm and 265 whp @5500rpm. The power band is amazing for such a small turbo. The turbo hits so hard and then just keeps pulling. I cant wait to get this thing to the track and hopefully turn some mid 12's with the new setup

The mods are:
Helix down/up pipe
custom midpipe with qtp exhaust cut out (done by me)(set open for dyno runs)
spt axle back
k&n short ram intake
worx tuning crank pully
tgv delete and port (done by me)
throttle body port (done by me)
ssac top mount (ebay)
and utec
And i had 1/4 93 octane mixed with 4 gallons 116 :devil:
HERE IS THE DYNO GRAPH:
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/thumbs/small/973850_wexrr/scan%20%28Medium%29.jpg (http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/view/full/973850_wexrr)

The red and blue are my dyno graphs and the green is a gentlemen who i believe has the stock wrx record quarter mile at 12.5@109. My goal has been to get my car into the mid to low 12's with the stock wrx turbo with no alky, nitrous.



I am absolutly thrilled with this car and the tune. IT is so smooth the power is awsome and i have everybody over at ics performance to thank for it. I would like to first thank George for helping me out with parts and helping me out with last minute dyno tuning and helping me to push the envolope with my car. I also want to thank you for helping me with the late night calls when i couldnt get my car to run right. I want to thank junior for an amazing tune, and staying late everynight i needed to get retuned after another mod. Junior is the best tuner i have ever seen. With out his tuning my car would be garbage. My car has absolutly NO knock and its running 21 psi on a stock wrx turbo. I also want to thank brian, damienfor giving me a helping hand. And i want to also thank freddy who taught me how to weld just so i can make my own midpipe and exhaust cutout. Absolutly an awsome crew over at icsperformance.

That has to be a hard hitter.... I wonder what it feels like to drive.... I like many others ditched the stocker before we knew that one could safely tune them to this level... back then, 220whp and less torque was the best one could hope for out of them...How things have changed...

What does a stock WRX put down on that dyno?

Thanks,
Mike

Stock i would say no more then 160-170 range due. At first i was amazed and thought maybe its a high reading dyno but then i remembered the first time i was dynoed there i had, up/downpipes,intake,top mount, catback and utec with base stage 2 map and made only 189whp and 216 wtq at 17psi. I have to give all the credit in the world to junior and everybody at ics. And hopefuly when the track reopens iwill go for a new stock wrx turbo record with no nitrous or alky :devil:

Awesome.

Good luck!

Mike

Dude, great numbers! Another sick stock turbo tune by Junior. I guess that is one of my graphs in green. This has me so psyched for my retune in spring. Good luck at the track and keep it in one piece until then.

Wow! I hope unabomber sees this...

Where's the EWG? That should be good for enough power to make it worth the dough. I think most guys are seeing ~20whp difference.

The fact that you'll run 116 octane fuel but refuse alcohol injection is kind of a contradiction, too - but I understand and respect where you're coming from.

Where's the EWG? That should be good for enough power to make it worth the dough. I think most guys are seeing ~20whp difference.

The fact that you'll run 116 octane fuel but refuse alcohol injection is kind of a contradiction, too - but I understand and respect where you're coming from.

I was thinking the same thing. Not knocking you at all, but why the decision on no alky? Especially with that hot turbo underneath your SSAC top mount. Doubt the turbo will spin anymore than it is, but there may still be gains in timing with air temp reduction and a EWG.

Congrats on the numbers. You made the same TQ as me with a big 16g/meth.

I have an alky kit on its way. I doubt i will make much more power though and the turbo just cant go any higher. But its still safe, no knock, fuel is still on the rich side to keep it safe. ohh yea i realized that the times that were run was 12.6 @108 and he was running alky so i am going to be going no alky and if i cant break through a 12.6 i will turn the alky on and see what happens.All i hope for is mid 12's and hopefuly to break a record and then i will go on to bigger and better turbos hahah :devil:

ohh yea all in all i only spent 2k for everything. Thats not bad for over 300tq to the wheels

Keep in mind the EWG "should" increase the exhaust flow by a HUGE amount. Meaning your turbo's max HP would be more like a td06h-13t and not that itty td04.

awesome! what mods really made the difference, or was it just the tune?

dying to see the track #s. that will say it all

the mod that made the biggest diff was the utec and juniors awsome tuning. With about 20+whp less through out the power band and the power band dying off at 5500 i was able to pull off a 13.0 @105 with me spinning the front tires till second (40,000 miles on stock wrx tires) and still coming out with a 1.79 60ft Now i have the whiteline anti lift kit, new tires, and a realy nice power band. That should deff land me in the high to low 12's. ewg would be nice but i am not trying to spend a bunch of money only to have it taken off later on, the only mods i cant use when i go with my diff setup is my up and downpipes everything else can stay. All the mods i did are to make the most out of the stock turbo plus use on the car after the turbo upgrade

nice....really good numbers you got there!
now i want to try something like this!

Wow those are crazy numbers.... Was the car tuned last time with the speed density feature or no?

Either way nice job Junior......

Damn, impressive run!

It's people like you that make me want to continue to keep my stock turbo and keep building around it:)

Interested in the MPH when you take it to the track. Do it soon. :)

ewg would be nice but i am not trying to spend a bunch of money only to have it taken off later on, the only mods i cant use when i go with my diff setup is my up and downpipes everything else can stay. All the mods i did are to make the most out of the stock turbo plus use on the car after the turbo upgrade

Why would you take off the EWG if you went with a different turbo? I've used the same UP/DP for three different turbos.

If possible could you do some pulls in 2nd/3rd gear to get an idea of how fast your car accelerates? If you could do a 2nd gear pull from 2k-7k we could extract your cars 40-60mph time and see how it compares to others. Nice numbers, I hope you have the speed to back it up!

Jeff C

PeteDucati: i am going with a rotated setup thats why
Navybluesubaru: 40-60mph is at like 4k till like 7k i can do both pulls and see how it is.
GetSideways: still maf

Nice works guys!

Oh, he saw it alright! Nice job buddy! Makes me wish I had my issues resolved so I could one up you, but maybe one day...

Any porting or clipping done to the turbo, or is it all stock goodness?

Any porting or clipping done to the turbo, or is it all stock goodness?

ALL STOCK GOODNESS....

Just for the record OppsiteLoc(davie) went 12.6@107 or so with a best MPH of 108.XX with basically the same power you see.. He made a few less FTLBS of TQ but he also has a complete exhaust and the jdm manifold.. If I had to guess I would say the TQ is lower because of the JDM manifold...

I still think Dave will hold the crown for stock turbo... John(CTRACER) needs to learn how to drive this one.. LOL... And not hit any parked cars.. :D

Interested in the MPH when you take it to the track. Do it soon. :)

The other graph that makes 28X TQ and 26X HP went 108.7...

thats sounds good, I was tuned by XXTuning and made 240whp/310wtq @17.5 psi and a perfect fuel curve. 21 psi sounds like your turbo will be melting soon, i could have made higher numbers but they knew when to back off so i wouldnt have to replace my turbo. my mods are 2.5 STi SB(forged internals), invidia V2 catless DP, cobb catless CB, helix flex UP, SPT intake, STi pink 565cc's, walbro 255lph pump, cobb AP and XX protune. I am very happy with it on stocker turbo, but soon to be SSAutochrome FMIC and FP 20G........hey Chris when i get this setup hook me up bro me and the other chris are both doing similar mods......XX FTW:D

http://www.boostedsubie.com/Photo/albums/userpics/normal_dynocomp1~0.jpg
http://www.boostedsubie.com/Photo/albums/userpics/normal_aps2.jpg
Here is what my TD04 made. 91 oct AZ gas. Tuned to 18psi.

I think I might be able to best you. Next time speedworld is open I'll be there,
I'll post up the results.
I can tell you it does take off pretty well at 3500 rpm..

That does not even compare to and EVO with a stock turbo. EVO's can make 400whp on a stock turbo...:devil:

That does not even compare to and EVO with a stock turbo. EVO's can make 400whp on a stock turbo...:devil:

And your point is?
My dads fast4r then your dad!

Junior, I definitely want to come and check you out when I get my 18g 8cm into my 02 Bugeye. The torque is neck snapping.

I am very very impressed! gives me hope for my td04.

pls post times after you go to the track

nice very nice.............

http://www.boostedsubie.com/Photo/albums/userpics/normal_dynocomp1~0.jpg
http://www.boostedsubie.com/Photo/albums/userpics/normal_aps2.jpg
Here is what my TD04 made. 91 oct AZ gas. Tuned to 18psi.

I think I might be able to best you. Next time speedworld is open I'll be there,
I'll post up the results.
I can tell you it does take off pretty well at 3500 rpm..

You can't really compare your 2 cars since you have a 2.5 liter block and the OP runs the TD04 on the pre-06 WRX 2.0 liter block.

What i dont get is why do people come in here and instead of being like nice numbers they go off about ohhh i made more then you. Well if you did make a new thread dont post it up here. Not trying to be a dick or anything just i hate when people chime in with something completly diff then the thread goes off in 20 diff ways. ohh yea 06sti I MAKE MORE Tq then you ;)

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/thumbs/small/974025_4l8w6/Picture%20061%20%28Large%29.jpg (http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/view/full/974025_4l8w6)

What i dont get is why do people come in here and instead of being like nice numbers they go off about ohhh i made more then you. Well if you did make a new thread dont post it up here. Not trying to be a dick or anything just i hate when people chime in with something completly diff then the thread goes off in 20 diff ways. ohh yea 06sti I MAKE MORE Tq then you ;)

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/thumbs/small/974025_4l8w6/Picture%20061%20%28Large%29.jpg (http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/view/full/974025_4l8w6)


Didnt know you were 2.0
I was certainly not trying to one up you. It was nice to see someone else running a td04 and maing some power with it.
Your running higher boost them me. But, Would be cool to compare track times. Same turbo, differant blocks. Sence the 2.0 can spin up faster, I wonder what your track time would be?

That does not even compare to and EVO with a stock turbo. EVO's can make 400whp on a stock turbo...:devil:


Its a good thing this is a SUBARU forum... :D otherwise we might care..




wait..........



Nope... cant seem to care..

Sence the 2.0 can spin up faster, I wonder what your track time would be?

spin faster? im lost? r u referring to the spool of the turbo?

Didnt know you were 2.0
I was certainly not trying to one up you. It was nice to see someone else running a td04 and maing some power with it.
Your running higher boost them me. But, Would be cool to compare track times. Same turbo, differant blocks. Sence the 2.0 can spin up faster, I wonder what your track time would be?


no dude i am not mad at all. I just didnt want a bunch of people with built motors and a tinny wrx turbo to chim in.
i.e. :FrodoTBaggins
Frodotbaggins:through out your comment i see little hints of doubt and stuff like saying my turbo will melt and then shooting in a xx ftw. My fuel curb is pefect as well, the turbo is taking it like a champ and still is not blowing hot air even after 20psi. 21psi is peak just so the mid range will hold out more. Junior set it so i would hit power soon and hold it so the 20-21psi is just for a split second and then it slowly tappers making the car feel perfect and pull hard. It hits hard as hell and then holds out better then if i just went with 17.5 psi or anything lower then 20psi. I would be willing to try out the two setups. I live in ct and am down for a fun race if you would like. We both have wrx turbos just you have a 2.5 and i have a 2.0 but i still say it will be a good race.

Let's please not turn this into another Shop battle. Seriously..

We all know Junior sucks.

:P

Just kidding.. He does some amazing tuning work, no doubt about it.

Merry Christmas.

no no no shop battle. I just dont want the thread to turn into that. thats why i am saying i dont like people chimming in about other shops and stuff and taking it into 20 diff directions. Every shop has its accomplishments and stuff i just wanted to show my accomplishment. Ive been wanting to max out the stock wrx turbo and show its true pottential. I see too many people giving up on the stock wrx turbo realy easy. All it needs is some good mods and a good tuner and you have one hell of a stock turbo car.

i apologize it wasnt meant to come out like that, i just am saying that when i got tuned i could have gone to 20-21psi but he knew i was going to be hard on the car after i broke it in so he toned it down. i agree the stock turbo has more potential than most people realize, same as the vf39, most sti guys want to put bigger right away but if tuned right the stocker can be pushed pretty hard. junior i hope you didnt take it as a bash, i hear you know whats up!!!! good luck to both of you!

Its no prob frodo i just didnt want people all over posting up there stock wrx plots and the thing turn into a big melting pot of egos and shops hahaha you know how that can go. I actualy set the boost and told junior to tune around it. Junior didnt even want me to have the cut out open but he agreed and tuned the hell out of it. He sure is an awsome tuner. He was able to tune it with no knock at high boost levels and the turbo still has more in it believe it or not. If it wasnt for the turbo falling off so hard because of no real boost controller it would make more in the power band. Peak would prob stay the same just more power through out the power band.

Let's please not turn this into another Shop battle. Seriously..

We all know Junior sucks.

:P

Just kidding.. He does some amazing tuning work, no doubt about it.

Merry Christmas.

But BRO.. :D

Merry christmas to all... AND TO AL A GOOD NIGHT.... :D

AND TO AL A GOOD NIGHT.... :D


I'll drink to that...

What do you think you'll go with then? I heard good things about the prodrive solenoid. My buddy has the greddy profec b and loves it. I am probably going to have to go with something like the prodrive when i upgrade.

Depends on the tuner... Some like stock boost control, where others prefer EBC...

Best bet is to go with what your tuner is most comfortable with.

Thats why we pay you guys!!!!:lol:

None of the mods are extreme, so is just some really good tuning? The open exhaust and race gas allow for much more 'risky' tuning, so with a streetable exhaust and pump gas what kind of numbers do you see?

spin faster? im lost? r u referring to the spool of the turbo?


A 2.0 block can spin faster then the 2.5 Less rotational mass.

So I would think that 1/4 mile times would show that. If we tuned to have almost the same numbers. I think he might edge out a 2.5 because of that.

WOW! Congrats on those number!!! Any ideas what it puts out on Pump gas? Also you running stock injectors/fuel pump?

A 2.0 block can spin faster then the 2.5 Less rotational mass.

So I would think that 1/4 mile times would show that. If we tuned to have almost the same numbers. I think he might edge out a 2.5 because of that.


sounds good lets all swap out for the smallest engines we can find. im gonna buy a 1.8 off of ebay and then work my way down form there

yo Dave(Oppositlock) let the games begin:D sike i doubt he can drive like you but would be interesting if he could gl on the both of you on future plans on the track and on the dyno.

-Ricky

:rolleyes: sounds good lets all swap out for the smallest engines we can find. im gonna buy a 1.8 off of ebay and then work my way down form there:rolleyes:

2nd time thinking about responding. But sence you have no clue into engines I'll leave you alone.

Very impressive numbers... seems too good to be true to be honest. 300whp on the stock turbo is definatly unheard of on the 2.0L block without N20, but im sure you're 110 octane fuel that you ended up with helped out quite a bit.

Very impressive numbers... seems too good to be true to be honest. 300whp on the stock turbo is definatly unheard of on the 2.0L block without N20, but im sure you're 110 octane fuel that you ended up with helped out quite a bit.

It didnt make 300whp.. It made 268whp and 302ftlbs.

The race gas helped, its funny because after say 5k rpms its like tuning an NA engine. I took alot of what I have learned with the QTP and Daves car and added a few tricks to it. Daves car would make the same TQ I believe as this car.... Dave knows when ever he is ready for a retune to just let me know.... I think with him trapping near 109mph he is going to drop some ET before he lets me do anything else..

whoops, sorry. I meant 300+ TQ. How you got so much torque out of that EJ205 engine is totally beyond me, I bet it must be a BLAST to drive on the street

whoops, sorry. I meant 300+ TQ. How you got so much torque out of that EJ205 engine is totally beyond me, I bet it must be a BLAST to drive on the street

Boost+Timing+race gas = Torque.

That does not even compare to and EVO with a stock turbo. EVO's can make 400whp on a stock turbo...:devil:

Just wondering if the evo may make more power because is running a nearly bullet proof 4g63 "not that you have any clue what that is", and the fact the evo
runs a 16g with a 9.5cm or larger hot side depending on model and year.
But of course a turbo that flows almost twice as much air as the tinny tdo4, is capable of making more power.:rolleyes:

But im sure your tuner told you that.


Quote of the day....

Completely different power package= DIFFERENT POWER!:huh: :huh: :eek::rolleyes:

OKEY DOKEY!


Now run along little one!

Great numbers, i envy you!

because running a nearly bullet proof 4g63

http://www.boostedsubie.com/Photo/albums/userpics/normal_crankwalk2.jpg

But im sure your tuner told you that.


Quote of the day....

OKEY DOKEY!


Now run along little one!

With your pet crank!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

With your pet crank!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

OH! NOZZEE my car is teh slower!:lol: :lol: :lol:

sounds good lets all swap out for the smallest engines we can find. im gonna buy a 1.8 off of ebay and then work my way down form there


rofl....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :banana:

With your pet crank!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

ahahahaa you guys made my X-mas :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

For boost controller i am going with the blitz dual solenoid unit. I actualy just got it for xmas so ill see what its got soon. Correct me if i am wrong junior but it made 296wtq and 246whp?? on 93 pump right before i went to the track that day and ran a 13.0 with a 1.79 60ft and a 104.5 trap (spinning front tires through second) and my peak numbers arent that much greater but in the power band i gained over 20+ whp and wtq so it will deff show next time i go.

the mod that made the biggest diff was the utec and juniors awsome tuning.

quoted for emphasis.

nice job, jr. :)

Boost+Timing+race gas = Torque.

actually all you need is the boost and timing.

the race gas is only there to keep it running for more than a few seconds. :lol:

the race gas is only there to keep it running for more than a few seconds. :lol:

Bah, who cares about the details!

quoted for emphasis.

nice job, jr. :)

Thanks... No more dyno for this car either.. new boost controller or not! To the track with it.. Atco will open soon..

Awwww no more dyno.. You suck junior. I guess to the track it is :banana: . Oh yea where were you yesterday fool?

Just wondering if the evo may make more power because is running a nearly bullet proof 4g63 "not that you have any clue what that is", and the fact the evo
runs a 16g with a 9.5cm or larger hot side depending on model and year.
But of course a turbo that flows almost twice as much air as the tinny tdo4, is capable of making more power.:rolleyes:

But im sure your tuner told you that.


Quote of the day....

Completely different power package= DIFFERENT POWER!:huh: :huh: :eek::rolleyes:

OKEY DOKEY!


Now run along little one!


Yes, I knew all of that but I have the 10.5 hotside. And one of the reasons the EVOs are bullet proof is because they have fully closed decks unlike the WRX that has a open deck.

Yes, I knew all of that but I have the 10.5 hotside. And one of the reasons the EVOs are bullet proof is because they have fully closed decks unlike the WRX that has a open deck.

That has changed with the my06

That has changed with the my06

Are you talking about your 06 sti????

with the WRX semi closed

Didnt know you were 2.0
Your running higher boost them me. But, Would be cool to compare track times. Same turbo, differant blocks. Sence the 2.0 can spin up faster, I wonder what your track time would be?

This isnt an F1 motor......so extra displacement results in a slower car? or a slower spooling turbo?

I hope your not referring to the internals of the motor......If you like we can swap your 2.5 ltr with my 2.0 ltr any day of the week

Yes, I knew all of that but I have the 10.5 hotside. And one of the reasons the EVOs are bullet proof is because they have fully closed decks unlike the WRX that has a open deck.

Unless you swapped hotsides you have a 9.8cm^2 hotside genius.

Closed deck != bullet proof either, they just take better to higher boost/CR, assuming there are supporting mods. Detonation kills motors, so if you have a massive det. problem in a closed deck, it doesn't mean everything is OK because you have a closed deck.