Will a small shot (35 or less) on a NX Hidden system be acceptable/work to spool my VF 22 turbo faster? I don't want a wet system, a huge 5-10lbs. bottle, or to pay $500+. I have a 255L Walbro fuel pump and 816cc injectors with a very good street tune. Also, what type of adjustments do I have to do for the Utec for this to work safely? Thanks


Before I get responses, I have done searches/research and I do know the diff between wet and dry systems and I'm not interested in anyone telling me to get methanol/water injection. Sorry no attitude intended... I just want answers pertaining to my specific question. Thanks again

....d00000d....ya should be able to toon that vf22 th hit whatever boost ya can get outa it by 2500 rpm or so.....20+psi anyway....especially if it has been P&P

pm davenow about his vf22 toon

No port & polish on mine. Plus I have a 2.0L, not 2.5L. I get full boost by 3800 or so but I'd like to get it going even faster. Especially when I swap turbos soon.

No port & polish on mine. Plus I have a 2.0L, not 2.5L. I get full boost by 3800 or so but I'd like to get it going even faster. Especially when I swap turbos soon.

Wake the hell UP......d000000d.....I'm talking about the goddamned 2.0

I am not stupid and do not post at ramdom.

your 'tune' is ****

full boost can easily be had well below 3k with a vf22

the 22 on a street 2.0 is a pretty good turbo

3800????? yer toon is ****

Before I get responses, I have done searches/research and I do know the diff between wet and dry systems and I'm not interested in anyone telling me to get methanol/water injection. Sorry no attitude intended... I just want answers pertaining to my specific question. Thanks again

Besides hitting full boost at idle, does anyone or Uncle Scotty want to answer my question pertaining to the actual nitrous question?

Uncle Scotty - I'll PM Dave and talk to him about his "toon".

....deargodinheaven....

this is ridiculous......the vf22 is a tiny turbo and talking about 3800 rpms and boost is ridiculous

ya don't need nitrous to spool a vf22 :lol: :lol: :rolleyes:....all ya need is a good toon

Scratch the VF 22.... I know its small and I don't think it has much lag at all...

Answer this question Scotty - When I upgrade to the tdo5 20g will a small dry shot of nitrous from a sneaky pete or hidden system work well in order to spool the turbo up faster despite all the claims that wet systems work better????? It can't be anymore f****** clear than that...... doood

Wake the hell UP......d000000d.....I'm talking about the goddamned 2.0

I am not stupid and do not post at ramdom.

your 'tune' is ****

full boost can easily be had well below 3k with a vf22

the 22 on a street 2.0 is a pretty good turbo

3800????? yer toon is ****

Hey doooooooooooooooooood, Imo full boost(say 16-18psi) at 3800rpm in third with a vf22 in 3rd gear is pretty respectable.

You can definately use a sneeky pete to help spool the turbo. Using your utec to control when the system sprays would help make tuning for it easier. All you'd have to do is make the tune less agressive in the areas where the n2o is spraying. I have a lot to say about why you shouldn't get a small bottle and just spool the turbo with it, but you obviously don't wanna hear it.

peace

Hippy, I want to thank you for answering my questions to my satisfaction before I lost my damn mind over Scotty Boy, the apparent "Scooby Guru".... :lol:

Also, a 5-10 pound bottle isn't that large when hidden in the trunk. So I will def consider upgrading the bottle size as it really wouldn't make any sense to have the 1.4 pounder refilled every other day... Really, I just wanted a simple yes or no pertaining to whether the idea would work or not as there seems to be somewhat of a taboo against the dry shot on our cars and a lack of experience. Also, I knew people would tell me not to waste my money and get methanol. So once again, not that I didn't want to hear your opinions, I just wanted a simple yes or no. However, since you already answered my question, if you do have any advice or suggestions I'd be more than happy to hear it regarding the future setup and bottle size.

For the record, full boost is 20-21psi on my setup and isn't bad at all considering I have two high flow cats still...

N2o isn't meant to be run at really low rpms(like below 3000), and doing so greatly increases the chances of something bad happening to your engine and/or turbo(from what I've heard). Using n2o during spool also makes an engine much more prone to knock. Imo you would be better off using utecs launch control/flat foot shifting then n2o..... On top of that, there are many advantages to using a bigger tank of n2o. One would be that it doesn't cool down/lose pressure and become useless as fast as a smaller bottle. Another would be that you'd have the option to use it for longer periods of time.

I for one thought that I would use no more then a 35 shot when I got my system, and now I'm running 65. Most people don't just use n2o to spool the turbo, becaue they figure if they spend $500 on a kit(like you said), they wanna take advantage of what they have. Imo you will want to do this(run n2o on boost) if you ever get n2o.

peace

Scratch the VF 22.... I know its small and I don't think it has much lag at all...

Answer this question Scotty - When I upgrade to the tdo5 20g will a small dry shot of nitrous from a sneaky pete or hidden system work well in order to spool the turbo up faster despite all the claims that wet systems work better????? It can't be anymore f****** clear than that...... doood

....well...I had a deadbolt td05-16g on my 2.0....with a UTEC.......and I had 16psi by 2600 in 3rd.....no nitrous

there is NO GOOD REASON that the vf22 can't at least match THAT

a 20g is too big for street use on a stock ej205, IMO......and ya just gonna blow it sky high if ya use a bottle on it.

I'm callin bs..... The stock turbo doesn't even make 16psi at 2600rpm in third gear. There is no way your 16g did unless the boost was put there by god himself.

peace

I'm callin bs..... The stock turbo doesn't even make 16psi at 2600rpm in third gear. There is no way your 16g did unless the boost was put there by god himself.

peace

:lol: ....d0000d....my deadbolt td04 made 18psi by 2200....I had boost by ~1600

the boost guage needle moved so fast I thought it would break.

others have posted similar results......this is not bs....it is called tuning

by me...for me.



....and maybe a good P&P actually DOES do more than most think it does, too ;)

As Hippy eluded to. I would reconsider using N2o to spool your turbo. I did this on my 02 bugeye with a 50 shot Zex system.
I used it on a gt30r to spool it quicker and it worked great. The problem is, when something goes wrong as in my case, it goes seriously wrong about 20-30 yards from the finish I blew all 4 cylinders at the ringlands. Appearently I bumped my failsafe switch during a shift and caused the system to reactivate and boom. $10K later I sold my car.
Your tuner can get it to spool faster as Scotty stated without the N2o.
And one more thing Uncle Scoty is a great source of information.

Jay-R

Hippy, I want to thank you for answering my questions to my satisfaction before I lost my damn mind over Scotty Boy, the apparent "Scooby Guru".... :lol:

Also, a 5-10 pound bottle isn't that large when hidden in the trunk. So I will def consider upgrading the bottle size as it really wouldn't make any sense to have the 1.4 pounder refilled every other day... Really, I just wanted a simple yes or no pertaining to whether the idea would work or not as there seems to be somewhat of a taboo against the dry shot on our cars and a lack of experience. Also, I knew people would tell me not to waste my money and get methanol. So once again, not that I didn't want to hear your opinions, I just wanted a simple yes or no. However, since you already answered my question, if you do have any advice or suggestions I'd be more than happy to hear it regarding the future setup and bottle size.

Yeah I just wanted a sneeky pete to have more of an edge around town. However, as Hippy stated earlier, like modifying our cars, it starts out as a small shot then it gets out of control then next thing you know... boom! I'll probably let the nitrous idea go for now until I build the motor and get other upgrades and then I'll look back into it.

Uncle Scotty - I don't discredit you at all... your probably the man at tuning your car as you stated above. However, its just a little hard to believe since the stock turbo can barely crunch those numbers. Anyway, your absolutely right that my turbo can spool faster. I only have a street tune and hopefully within a few months get a professional tune. And by the way, if my VF22 (if I still have it on the car then) hits full boost that early, you'll be the first to see my dyno chart and I will thank you again.

Don't expect to get 18psi below 3000rpm in third gear or even fifth gear with your vf22, cause chances are it won't happen no matter how well the car is tuned.

peace

BR: I agree with hippy. Shoot for a controlled non-spiking 16-18psi by 3000RPM and seek out data logs from other VF22 owners. I suggest you send a PM to ride5000 as he has years of experience tuning his VF22 and will give it to you straight.

I'm callin bs..... The stock turbo doesn't even make 16psi at 2600rpm in third gear. There is no way your 16g did unless the boost was put there by god himself.

peace


The stock turbo 16PSI by 2600 if its tuned poorly.
Why? Couldnt you make it happen on yours?:o :lol: :lol: :lol:


My VF22 on a 2.0WRX made 14PSI by 2900-2950ish, and was at 21-22PSI by 3300ish. And 14PSI on a VF22 is flowing an assload more air than a TD04 at 16PSI.



Sounds like someone just doesnt know what the hell he is doing tune wise, but hey, what else have we come to expect from hippy but a lot of talking out his ass.:rolleyes:

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4th gear, dead flat road.

How do we know it's not 5th gear with the break on? I'd like to see a log from 1500-3000rpm in third gear.

peace

Your backup arrived Scotty... Maybe the tune and having two cats are holding me back? I'll do a data log and give you exact numbers when I get a chance or take pics like Davenow.

Your backup arrived Scotty... Maybe the tune and having two cats are holding me back? I'll do a data log and give you exact numbers when I get a chance or take pics like Davenow.

.....DING-DING-DING......

For the record, full boost is 20-21psi on my setup and isn't bad at all considering I have two high flow cats still...

Mentioned it already... I know they are holding back spool but they perform very well. They are Random Technology cats but I'm very tempted to switch to the Helix V3 downpipe as I'd like to go to the dyno next month in Fayettville but thats a seperate thread....http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1170856