http://news.windingroad.com/body-stylesmarket-segment/crossovers/naias-subaru-unveils-revamped-2008-legacy-outback/

http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/legacy-08-600.jpg
http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/outback-08-600.jpg

Ugly new grille.

Um, yea, there's that topic right below this one.

Not sure I agree with the front bumper of the Legacy...

It definitely looks much better in person than in pictures. The front is a lot more integrated; the USDM bumper requirements are no longer an afterthought.

It definitely looks much better in person than in pictures. The front is a lot more integrated; the USDM bumper requirements are no longer an afterthought.

i can believe that. in addition, just give it some time, i think most people will grow to accept/like it.

i like it

very odd...

Other big news: Forester avialable in WRB!!!!!!!!

No Leggy STi :(

I actually like the new design, but have a mixed feeling to the H6 though. I know power delivery should be more smooth but I have also read that it doesn't burn as clean (more sludge in the engine I mean...) than the turbo H4.

I guess SOA doesn't even plan on introducing Legacy STi to NA at all...

"V-6"

Glad to see the author/editor are real car guys!

Michael

I like the nose job. So, is the leg wagon in fact cut from the lineup for 2008, or is that still speculation?

"V-6"

Glad to see the author/editor are real car guys!

Michael

Yeah no kidding.

I guess this part is kind of cool though, for some people.


New Paddle-Shift Transmission
In the turbo and 6-cylinder Legacy and Outback models equipped with the 5-speed automatic transmission (standard on 6-cylinder models), new steering wheel paddle shifters add a new dimension of driver involvement. The driver will be able to manually control gearshifts by using either the console shift or the paddle shifters. Adding to the driving excitement with this transmission is a new “downshift blipping control” that gives the rev-matching behavior of an expertly shifted manual transmission. This transmission also features improved shift quality and performance for 2008.

And here's a little bit of what the wheel looks like:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/bluetwo/legacy10-2008-1.jpg

nice mazda 6...uh:eek: oops, i mean nice legacy....

nice mazda 6...uh:eek: oops, i mean nice legacy....

please explain to me how these 2 cars look alike

http://www.cars.com/features/mvp/mazda/mazda6/images/main_mazda6.jpg

http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/legacy-08-600.jpg

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121771006-L.jpg
Full size (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121771006-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121771067-L.jpg
Full size (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121771067-O.jpg)

I like the new rear..
Disappointed no power upgrade on 2.5T...

No performance improvements at all... no sale.

please explain to me how these 2 cars look alike




What are you? ****ing blind?

God, both cars have four doors, a trunk, uhhhhh 4 wheels, 20 lugnuts, the similarities are uncanny! Dumbass!










:lol:

If they announced a Legacy STi, I would have gone down to the dealership tomorrow morning and put a down payment on it.
A similar power H6 should be smoother, but common, we were expecting more power!

I was going to say the same as hondaslayer except short the slight sarcasm. :lol:

I think the improvements in style are excellent and furthermore I think the Legacy line should have had a 3.0R model like this in 06 at the latest, its a good bread and butter semi-performance model feature-rich model.

Now, for the Legacy STI if they want to sell me a performance sedan. 335i Sedan is my other option. That one actually has the power I want with good driving dynamics. Subaru isn't far off the mark.

Much better pic:
http://vocuspr.vocus.com/vocuspr30/Newsroom/ViewAttachment.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset&AttachmentType=F&EntityID=102908&AttachmentID=3cf0cb17-3200-43bd-b665-ab4e757676cf&NewWindow=True

Yeah no kidding.

I guess this part is kind of cool though, for some people.




And here's a little bit of what the wheel looks like:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/bluetwo/legacy10-2008-1.jpg

I find the styling lackluster, borderline ugly. Combine that with no performance increase and I guess I'll be buying something else when we need a larger car.

Click for the full-size versions:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121803978-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121803978-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121804371-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121804371-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121804860-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121804860-O.jpg)
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http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121806099-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121806099-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121803664-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121803664-O.jpg)

Again, click for the full-size versions:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121808106-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121808106-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121809064-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121809064-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121809820-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121809820-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121810304-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121810304-O.jpg)
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Please tell me that isn't the cruise control on the left lower portion of the steering wheel. If it is I think they went back in time. It's like the one on my Protege5 which I think is lackluster. The little toggle stick on the lower right of my 05 GT was spectacularly good! Flip up down, tap to set, you name it, it was so fluid. Having to press on something is IMO a pain in the ass especially with gloves on when it's cold out.

Yes, it's CC. The whole steering wheel looks busy and cluttered. And now they are eveb too cheap to put Momo wheel there like on all USDM MY2005 LGTs, and most MY2006-MY2007.

MY2005 Legacy FTW

Please tell me that isn't the cruise control on the left lower portion of the steering wheel. If it is I think they went back in time. It's like the one on my Protege5 which I think is lackluster. The little toggle stick on the lower right of my 05 GT was spectacularly good! Flip up down, tap to set, you name it, it was so fluid. Having to press on something is IMO a pain in the ass especially with gloves on when it's cold out.

The cruise control is now on the right side, on the face of the steering wheel (opposite the stereo controls which are now all on the left side).

I agree that the separate cruise control stalk that Subaru has been using forever (at least since 1992) was great and I'm sad to see them changing.

I'm not sure what the controls at the lower left are... Maybe controls for "intelligent" cruise control?

Lower left controls are for the display on your dash to cycle through the different modes/screens whatever like trip and all that awesome stuff.

I'm not sure what the controls at the lower left are... Maybe controls for "intelligent" cruise control?

SI-DRIVE has been added to the steering wheel (in addition to the center console) for 2008 models.

Ryan Douthit
Subiesport Magazine
http://www.subiesport.com

SOA should have used this front bumper for the NA Legacy:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/LegacyGrille.jpg

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845452-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845452-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845166-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845166-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845537-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845537-O.jpg)

Thanks for the pictures. Where does Subaru post these pictures?? They aren't on media.subaru.com.

Also, interesting to note is the MOMO symbol on the LLBean Outback steering wheel, and none on the 3.0R Legacy one.. What's with that?

Thanks for the pictures. Where does Subaru post these pictures?? They aren't on media.subaru.com.

They're from Subaru's global media site and SoA's media site on Vocus.com.

Also, interesting to note is the MOMO symbol on the LLBean Outback steering wheel, and none on the 3.0R Legacy one.. What's with that?

There were similar discrepancies with the 2005 & 2006 models.

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121850400-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121850400-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121850668-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121850668-O.jpg)

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121849995-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121849995-L.jpg)
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http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121847957-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121847957-L.jpg)

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121848168-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121848168-L.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121848045-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121848045-L.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121848288-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121848288-L.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121849658-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121849658-L.jpg)

If they don't show the 08 sti soon my head is going to explode.

Goodbye then. The STI will be unveiled in Sept. lol

Outback wheels look cooler than Legacy wheels.

Legacy wheels = WRX wheels..

That wood trim just reeks of 'cheap'.

I really like the SUV injection with the new Outback grille... but absolutely hate how the new grille looks on the Legacy. The rest of the facelift looks very nice, but that grille is just hideous. The same grille on the JDM cars never looked that bad. :confused:

Here's the JDM version of the same face:
http://www.subaru.co.jp/legacy/bsportlimited/imgs/top.jpg

Notice how the entire badge/wing thing is located up against the top of the grille... not dead center, as if imitating a Ford Mustang's shnoz.

I remembered the pics from SubieSport several months ago, of the JDM 2007 cars, with the new hood bulge. They'd estimated that the USDM cars would get that, for 2008.

I love the paddle shifters, but hate the Chrysler grille. Oh well, rip it out and slap in the old JDM honeycomb one. If it'll fit.

Is that rear fogs on the sedan or just a reflectors?

Dam it, I was thinking maybe, just maybe we'd get the rear wiper on the sedans.

Question, am i missing something?

It seems the only things the new 3.0R Limited gains over the Spec B are the engine (negligible), perforated leather, and softer suspension settings? Is that right? Hope the price difference isn't too drastic.

It's not terribly disappointing or anything but I was expecting the radar intelligent cruise control from the JDM models. And maybe a few more luxury features.

It's nice to have the 3.0R over here, but it's not terribly thrilling. My money is still on the GT Limited.

Let's see a turbo H6 Legacy STI for the win.

Please excuse a question from a poor noob. Does anybody know if the 2.5i will get the steering wheel controls?

Thanks.

Please excuse a question from a poor noob. Does anybody know if the 2.5i will get the steering wheel controls?

Thanks.

Don't know. But the SpecB steering wheel with audio controls can be easily retrofitted to 2005-2007 GT and 2.5i.

Don't know. But the SpecB steering wheel with audio controls can be easily retrofitted to 2005-2007 GT and 2.5i.

I thought the cost out weighed the justification though. I will ask my dealer when the time comes.

Thanks.

I thought the cost out weighed the justification though. I will ask my dealer when the time comes.

Thanks.

The SpecB wheel costs $300 shipped online. The install is DIY and can be done with one, max two hours.

GT owners have Momo leather wheel which easily fetches $150, so it's about $150 all said and done.

Worth it!

Here is the walkthru: http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26232

Sorry for hijack.

I really like the SUV injection with the new Outback grille... but absolutely hate how the new grille looks on the Legacy. The rest of the facelift looks very nice, but that grille is just hideous. The same grille on the JDM cars never looked that bad. :confused:

Here's the JDM version of the same face:
http://www.subaru.co.jp/legacy/bsportlimited/imgs/top.jpg

Notice how the entire badge/wing thing is located up against the top of the grille... not dead center, as if imitating a Ford Mustang's shnoz.


They seem to be pretty much the same...just different lighting and angle....with the USDM grille all lit up, you can see more of whats behind it...and it looks kinda funny. In the JDM pics, its darker behind the grille (I guess due to lighting) and it looks different.

I just noticed that the DRL are now on the high beams.
Good for those who wish to add HIDs...

I am wondering if the DRL module would fit on a MY05 LGT?
If so, I am happy! (DRL are mandatory up here in Canada)

All I want is a Spec-B wagon.

Or a GT wagon with a manual.

Is that too much to ask?

IIRC, the MOMO logo disappeared starting in MY07 from the non Bean/spec.B cars.

I'm just happy that they now have telescopic wheels. Maybe my arms are just shorter than normal, but I could never get as comfortable in a LGT than a WRX when it comes to driving position.

Surprised nobody is talking about the rev-matching downshift abilities of the GT's 5EAT. I still prefer a stick but the automagic is getting closer.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/Fuzz541/ORLegacY.jpg

Ugh. Very disappointing. Did Subaru draw inspiration for that front bumper from Pixar?

http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/legacy-08-600.jpg

http://www.gear6.net/images/apr06/cars_pixar1.jpg

Ugh. Very disappointing. Did Subaru draw inspiration for that front bumper from Pixar?

http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/legacy-08-600.jpg

http://www.gear6.net/images/apr06/cars_pixar1.jpg

I didn't notice that, but the new leg does look like it's smiling!

Compared to the JDM models, ours seem to have two big holes in the bumper for where the reflectors are located... :huh:

JDM:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9036/legacyb4ps6.jpg

USDM:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121771067-L.jpg

Compared to the JDM models, ours seem to have two big holes in the bumper for where the reflectors are located... :huh:



That's because SOA has to extend the bumper like they did with the 05/6/7 and ruin the shape of the JDM bumper.

That's because SOA has to extend the bumper like they did with the 05/6/7 and ruin the shape of the JDM bumper.

Rear fogs vs. reflectors

I think the US rear bumper is a little longer, hense the deeper hole...

I like it. An STi version should look really good.

I think the US rear bumper is a little longer, hense the deeper hole...


because the reflectors need to be mounted directly to the body????
Why not just put the reflectors on the bumper.

The Outback front looks too much like the Forester. Really do not like the chrome surrounding the whole opening. Interesting that they justified a seperate hood and bumper for the outback when compared to the legacy, not just the bumper.

I guess it is asking too much to have a legacy wagon at the shows. Anyone know if it gets the legacy grille or the outback thingy?

I thought "08 was supposed to be a big deal. What am I missing?

Also, anyone associted with the shows, could you get them to at least power up the seats so you can see if you fit. Sorry for the hyjack, Thanks.

Peace,

Greg

So, a "flagship sedan" with no HIDs?

So, a "flagship sedan" with no HIDs?

of course at 33-36k who needs HIDs? ;)

The Legacy looks like it is smiling. I HATE cars that look like they are smiling! :furious:

Anybody else think the Outback grille would have looked much better as a one-piece?
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121940349-L.jpg

I like it. An STi version should look really good.

From your lips to SOA's ears (and our garages)...

I hope that Grill makes it to the b9

IIRC, the MOMO logo disappeared starting in MY07 from the non Bean/spec.B cars.

I'm just happy that they now have telescopic wheels. Maybe my arms are just shorter than normal, but I could never get as comfortable in a LGT than a WRX when it comes to driving position.

Surprised nobody is talking about the rev-matching downshift abilities of the GT's 5EAT. I still prefer a stick but the automagic is getting closer.

Is good to see you around here!

Anybody else think the Outback grille would have looked much better as a one-piece?
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121940349-L.jpg

Yep. A subtle but significant improvement.

Bob

The Legacy looks like it is smiling. I HATE cars that look like they are smiling! :furious:

lol the only car that comes to mind for me...

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/917/2003mazdamx5miata6spd3kns2.jpg

meh....I'm kinda neutral on the changes. I like the non-contrasting body cladding on the Outback and how they toned down the fog lights a little. But I prefer the hood/grill of the Legacy. And someone PLEEEEZE tell me that they will do a Legacy wagon.....and with a manual tranny! :huh:

This is the look of the front end/fascia on the next gen Impreza. I'm so close to the truth!!

because the reflectors need to be mounted directly to the body????
Why not just put the reflectors on the bumper.
They are not reflectors.

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845452-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845452-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845166-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845166-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845537-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121845537-O.jpg)

:banana: :banana: :banana: NICE!!! Its got more of a Tribeca-styled wrapping interior though there is still some traditional Legacy interior as well! I thought for sure Subaru would throw away this gorgeous layout for something less stellar! :banana: :banana: :banana:

Its hard to miss that hazard button now isn't it! :lol:

The Outback grille threw me for a loop a bit. I saw the Stella grille on a Tribeca way back when except it did have the swooping wind thing integrated as well though less pronounced as the final product. This is different still from what i saw. i sawn't expecting this much of a change, but I like it!

I think it looks cool.
Not as good looking as the JDM one though.

WTF !! Suby.. get a damn Legacy STI already !! Evo X is gonna really hurt STI sales..

Well the outback now looks like the suv/crossover vehicle it's been pretending to be. Hopefully it'll attract some new buyers

WTF !! Suby.. get a damn Legacy STI already !! Evo X is gonna really hurt STI sales..
:rolleyes:

The 08 Imprezas are coming, stop fretting.

lol the only car that comes to mind for me...

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/917/2003mazdamx5miata6spd3kns2.jpg

http://images.consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/autoreview/400x266/1995-99-Mitsubishi-Eclipse-96808091990109.JPG

O K , I must be missing something here ... It is a 2008 model veh , but they are still using those CRAPPY RE92 tires from the 90's ! Can't they at least use the G-009's (great in the rain and dry) ????? WTF ,Subaru must have bought up all the stock at lowball prices and are sticking us with CRAP TIRES ! I do not want to buy a new car and HAVE to replace the tires first thing out the door ,cause up here that means 2 sets (1 of snows ). I can't believe it .... Oh well , I guess I'll go back to Honda when my current lease is up . Wake up SOA and demand BETTER skins for us !

JMHO .....:furious:

Actually, many Subarus are now rolling on RE92A's. And Honda doesn't exactly splurge on rubber for their normal-level vehicles either. :)

Is good to see you around here!

*waves*
Hi Eric! :p

I think the Navi-screen is too small. Is it touch screen?, does the system recognize voice commands?

It's interesting that the USDM will get the "old" shifter surround, while the rest of the car is updated.

I think the "old" surround looks better on the auto...although the new one does look good on the manual models.

Also the paddle shifters seem to be smaller than other markets.

http://www.subaru.co.jp/legacy/b4/interior/01/imgs/p1.jpg

The new shifter surround also means that the silver trim that goes down the sides of the center console don't go all the way to the end...I think I prefer the old one :/

:banana: :banana: :banana: NICE!!! Its got more of a Tribeca-styled wrapping interior though there is still some traditional Legacy interior as well! I thought for sure Subaru would throw away this gorgeous layout for something less stellar! :banana: :banana: :banana:

Its hard to miss that hazard button now isn't it! :lol:

The Outback grille threw me for a loop a bit. I saw the Stella grille on a Tribeca way back when except it did have the swooping wind thing integrated as well though less pronounced as the final product. This is different still from what i saw. i sawn't expecting this much of a change, but I like it!

Interesting... the LL Bean doesn't get paddle shifters. Now that I think about it, the Bean didn't have steering wheel shift buttons before either.

Bob

Anybody else think the Outback grille would have looked much better as a one-piece?
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/121940349-L.jpg

Big time improvement w/the photoshop grille, looks higher quality, more substantial.

Overall, the new OB grille definitely looks more "trucky". Will take some getting used to.

SOA should have used this front bumper for the NA Legacy:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/LegacyGrille.jpg

Absolutely right. Cleaner, and helps the foglights look less like recessed "can" lights. Wonder what that bumper'd cost?

I think the Navi-screen is too small. Is it touch screen?, does the system recognize voice commands?
Its just right, and yes its a touch screen. Go a dealership and try it out, its pretty good.

Interesting... the LL Bean doesn't get paddle shifters. Now that I think about it, the Bean didn't have steering wheel shift buttons before either.

BobAccording to Subaru's NAIAS press release:New Paddle-Shift Transmission

In the turbo and 6-cylinder Legacy and Outback models equipped with the 5-speed automatic transmission (standard on 6-cylinder models), new steering wheel paddle shifters add a new dimension of driver involvement.

Subaru likes to go just far enough to allow their ad copy to look good:

Projector headlights! [but they aren't HIDs]

Paddle Shifters! [but it's still an automatic]

:(

http://www.landsmen.biz/Outback.jpg

Are these two chrome grill pieces not identical? :confused: Or is it just the angle?

SOA should have used this front bumper for the NA Legacy:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/LegacyGrille.jpg

I would totally buy this front bumper if they made it.

Did Subaru draw inspiration for that front bumper from Pixar?
http://www.gear6.net/images/apr06/cars_pixar1.jpgYeah, I see it now too ... astute observation. :p

SOA likes to go just far enough to allow their ad copy to look good:

Projector headlights! [but they aren't HIDs]

Paddle Shifters! [but it's still an automatic]

:(

fixed... and for the price projectors are not all that common in the segment. Accord doesn't have 'em, Highlander doesn't have 'em, even base model 3-series BMWs don't have projectors. I do believe that HIDs should be an option though.

HID's wont be in maNy new vehicles due to efforts by public intrest groups to prevent new cars from having HID's.

HID's wont be in may new vehicles due to efforts by public intrest groups to prevent new cars from having HID's.

Edit: Is that supposed to say "many" or "any"... 'cause there are vehicles coming out with HID's for the first time still, the '08 Jeep Grand Cherokee for one, off the top of my head.

:p many

HID's wont be in maNy new vehicles due to efforts by public intrest groups to prevent new cars from having HID's.

I'll see their anti-HID stance and raise them a set of Hella driving pattern lamps loaded with 100W bulbs.

it sucks!

my rim monopoly will be over come 2008

the only set in the US

and they are nothing like the cheap ones on the wrx
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/423426/rbarty1web.jpg

*waves*
Hi Eric! :p

Hey foo! :D

Any new info on the diesel? I'm keeping my '96 Outback until they release an oil burner...

Nope, no new diesel news.

it sucks!

my rim monopoly will be over come 2008

the only set in the US

and they are nothing like the cheap ones on the wrx
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/423426/rbarty1web.jpg

hey,I think I know this car,u ever been in New London,Ct for service?

:banana: :banana: :banana: NICE!!! Its got more of a Tribeca-styled wrapping interior though there is still some traditional Legacy interior as well! I thought for sure Subaru would throw away this gorgeous layout for something less stellar! :banana: :banana: :banana:

Its hard to miss that hazard button now isn't it! :lol:

The Outback grille threw me for a loop a bit. I saw the Stella grille on a Tribeca way back when except it did have the swooping wind thing integrated as well though less pronounced as the final product. This is different still from what i saw. i sawn't expecting this much of a change, but I like it!

HB_Dad, do you think subaru is gonna move the family face to the wing like grill as seen on the 08 legacy and outback? or will subaru stick with the winglike grill for the impreza/leg/OB and have a different grill (stella like) for the B9 and forester? for a while i thought it couldn't be incorporated into the forester, impreza and B9, but after seeing these pics, the legacy looks great with the wing like grill and why wouldn't the impreza? and now after seeing the more SUV like look of the Outback, i don't think it would be too hard to add that massive grilled to the forester and B9 now that i think of it.....

HB_Dad, do you think subaru is gonna move the family face to the wing like grill as seen on the 08 legacy and outback? or will subaru stick with the winglike grill for the impreza/leg/OB and have a different grill (stella like) for the B9 and forester? for a while i thought it couldn't be incorporated into the forester, impreza and B9, but after seeing these pics, the legacy looks great with the wing like grill and why wouldn't the impreza? and now after seeing the more SUV like look of the Outback, i don't think it would be too hard to add that massive grilled to the forester and B9 now that i think of it.....

In all honesty... I'm not sure on this one. The last minute grille changeup on the Outback surprised me to say the least. My thoughts are it could go two ways:

1) The Legacy and Outback demo the two grilles going forward. Legacy and everything smaller will have one grille. Outback and everything larger will have the other.

2) Each vehicle will have a very distinct grille, but all will share only the wing concept in the middle of the grille as seen on the new Legacy and Outback, but the background of the grille can vary. With that in mind, it is possible we could see the Stella grille still come here, but it will hav the wings smacked over the front of it instead.

Either scenario would work and establish a "family look" as the wing to insignia thing is the identifying mark now, NOT the whole grille. Keep in mind the overhaul of the Subaru website awhile back seemed to prominently focus on the wings themselves, so the subliminal advertising is already there...

Just my two cents...

http://www.subaru.co.jp/legacy/b4/interior/01/imgs/p1.jpg

The new shifter surround also means that the silver trim that goes down the sides of the center console don't go all the way to the end...I think I prefer the old one :/[/QUOTE]

This newer surround also has the newer cupholders with illumination rings...
http://accessory.subaru.co.jp/legacy/catalog/index.html

Absolutely right. Cleaner, and helps the foglights look less like recessed "can" lights. Wonder what that bumper'd cost?

+2 along with those wheels. very clean and much more upscale looking than the current bumpercovers being used.

http://www.subaru.co.jp/legacy/b4/interior/01/imgs/p1.jpg

The new shifter surround also means that the silver trim that goes down the sides of the center console don't go all the way to the end...I think I prefer the old one :/

This newer surround also has the newer cupholders with illumination rings...
http://accessory.subaru.co.jp/legacy/catalog/index.html[/QUOTE]

that's the jdm model. the usdm's trim extends all the way to the past the shifter and retains the covered cupholders

Any new info on the diesel? I'm keeping my '96 Outback until they release an oil burner...

Just drive your '96 long enough and it'll become and oil-burner...HOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAH!!!1 :p

I wouldn't hold my breath on any diesel passenger cars right now...I mean if Mercedes-Benz is having trouble selling them in all the states (i.e. pollution standards), I don't know who will be able to without problems.

VW developed a catalytic converter system that will work for CA emissions for diesels, so it should be soon that we start seeing more being sold in the US...

HID's wont be in maNy new vehicles due to efforts by public intrest groups to prevent new cars from having HID's.

I hope your joking?

He's wrong. HID's won't be coming on new Subarus because SoA is full of crap. Every other manufacturer is free to do as they please.

He's wrong. HID's won't be coming on new Subarus because SoA is full of crap. Every other manufacturer is free to do as they please.

hey the STI has HIDs

My '96 is holding up well. It has the 2.2-liter and a 5-speed, fortunately, and doesn't burn any oil at 140k. I haven't had any engine problems and everything still works great, including the A/C. The 2nd gear synchro gets a little cranky when it's cold out, but that's fixed with a quick double-clutch.

I want another Subaru, but am waiting until the MPG jumps from the low 20s to the high 30s. The ability to run biodiesel is very appealing to me as well.

Those new fog lights look a lot like the ones on my Tribeca. I hope they are much more stronger than the ones on Tribeca. The fog light lens on Tribeca aare notorious for easily cracked by smallest stone you encountered on the road. My previous 97 Outlook and current WRX never have this problem.

hey the STI has HIDs

^^Exactly. And when the first new-style Legacy models came out without them, I always figured they were holding it back as a feature for that 300hp 6MT STi Legacy Wagon that just had to be right around the corner.:lol:

I'm still waiting to buy that car... :lol:

I hope your joking?
No, theres public pressure to prevent new cars from having HID's because of the glare. Lots of complaints to US Goverment organizations about it.

hey,I think I know this car,u ever been in New London,Ct for service?


i stopped off there when i was on vacation last year.

i got bored and bought some pop-its from the service department.

does any one know for sure that telescpic steering wheels will be standard on all leagcy and outbacks in 2008?

LED taillights possibly? I hope soon.

i stopped off there when i was on vacation last year.

i got bored and bought some pop-its from the service department.


thought so,love ur car !

*Still praying for Satin White LGT Spec.B*

With leather interior, lol

Any release of info on this?

I thought I read that the G35's do not rotate.

Any reviews on how well the paddle shifters perform with the 5EAT?

wait... confused. rears = fog lights or reflectors??
nice JDM Legacy wheels that whoosh has FTW!!!!

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/123985899-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/123985899-O.jpg)
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/123986033-L.jpg (http://www.smugmug.com/photos/123986033-O.jpg)

Ugh. Very disappointing. Did Subaru draw inspiration for that front bumper from Pixar?

http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/legacy-08-600.jpg

http://www.gear6.net/images/apr06/cars_pixar1.jpg

no...
i was thinking more of this...
http://www.autospies.com/images/7-14-05/m3.JPG

Looks a bit too "happy" and smiley for my taste.

Haha, Subaru wishes its cars could look like that :lol:

Seriously though, the 08 H6 is very uninspiring. I've been waiting to upgrade my 02 to something resembling a Legacy STi, but Subaru's just not doing it. I will likely move on to another brand. Hopefully the 08 Spec B will look more like its JDM counterpart.

no...
i was thinking more of this...
http://www.autospies.com/images/7-14-05/m3.JPG

i think the wing grill on the new legacy and outback will be the new face of subaru... the proof? look at the top right corner of this picture on the slideshow

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/01/subaru-legacy---4.jpg

yay the legacy is getting a 6 cyl! :banana: gooooooooo 2008. Year of the Japanese beasts.

Year of the Japanese beasts.

Godzilla, Gamara, Mothra, etc?