http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51809


"Until a month or so ago, the Passat wagon wasn't available with the 6-speed manual. That has changed, except that it is by what VWOA calls "Sold Order Only." That means it's a factory build, with an 8-12 week lead time. Expect to pay a deposit. You will not find this on the VWOA web site, nor on Edmunds. The model code is 3C55K2, and this has only been available since 10/20/06, so YOUR dealer may not have heard of it, so be persistent.

In answer to several inevitable questions, yes, the MT wagon can be ordered in any configuration and with any accessories in the VWOA catalog, except that it's only available in the 2.0T model. And, yes, you do get a price that reflects $1075 less for the MT, just like the sedan. "

Why Subaru cannot do this with Legacy GT wagon?

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51809
wheres the proof the leg wagon is dead?

There is no solid proof, but more and more sources seem to indicate so:

http://cars101.com/

http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost.php?p=942095&postcount=6

You can always buy one in Canada :)

You can always buy one in Canada :)

It will be interesting to see if Canada will retain wagons for MY2008.

...says so, most likely it's true. He often has an inside line on pending Subie stuff.

Also, when was the last time you saw Subaru advertise a Legacy wagon? Surely that's a sign of death...

Finally, the new Outback grille (sorta) looks like a Legacy grille. I'm sure this was done to capture those on the fence between a Legacy and Outback wagon, as well as to appeal to those who prefer the Legacy grille look.

Bob

I dunno...I doubt Subaru will drop Legacy wagons entirely. I think they sell MANY 2.5i wagons...moreso than the 2.5i sedan, thats for sure.

I can see them dropping the GT wagon....possibly...but not the 2.5i wagon.

^^I dunno. I live in New England, which is big Subie country. I see lots of Outbacks, a few LGT wagons, and almost no Legacy 2.5i wagons. Most people seemingly would rather pay more money for worse handling. :huh:

Canada is a somewhat different market btw; it would not surprise me if they still got wagons.

BTW I rented a 6MT 2.0t Passat wagon in Europe last spring. Very nice car but also spendy and iffy reliability.

Interestingly in NJ I see about the same number of LGTs/2.5i wagons (combined) as any OB wagons. The rarest is OBXT.

Genius marketing at Subaru. Pretend you gonna get rid of the wagon, then everyone goes and buys them, thinking they will be no more.

Genius marketing at Subaru. Pretend you gonna get rid of the wagon, then everyone goes and buys them, thinking they will be no more.

Yeah, the sales of Baja skyrocketed after they killed it.

Problem is, it's very hard to find 2007 Legacy wagons, especially GT.

Does the passat wagon come in AWD? If so I probably can just buy that and stop saving for the V70R.

-Allen

^^I dunno. I live in New England, which is big Subie country. I see lots of Outbacks, a few LGT wagons, and almost no Legacy 2.5i wagons. Most people seemingly would rather pay more money for worse handling. :huh:

Canada is a somewhat different market btw; it would not surprise me if they still got wagons.

BTW I rented a 6MT 2.0t Passat wagon in Europe last spring. Very nice car but also spendy and iffy reliability.

Yeah...its probably because the Legacy is so stupidly overpriced here in Canada...nobody can afford (or want to pay for!) a $43,000 LGT wagon :rolleyes:

Around here, the only Legacy's I see are 2.5i models (most being wagons), Imprezas (90% 2.5i models...some WRX's and a surprising amount of $50,000 STi's) and of course Outbacks and Foresters.

SOC wont be pleased if there are no 2.5i wagons...its one of their bread and butter cars.

sounds like VW news to me. Move this POS.

Frankly I'm tired of hearing people whine about this, becuase when/if it does happen, then the whining gets rehashed again........LNC (lame not cool).

Why Subaru cannot do this with Legacy GT wagon?

Subaru of America does not understand the concept of giving their customers choices. I think they'd be happiest if Subaru cut their model line down to one car with one trim level and no options. Easier for them to deal with inventory that way. :p

Subaru of America does not understand the concept of giving their customers choices. I think they'd be happiest if Subaru cut their model line down to one car with one trim level and no options. Easier for them to deal with inventory that way. :p

Getting rid of the wagon Legacy makes the wagon Outback more special without the redundancy. They need to kill the Outback Sedan to bring the redundancy killing full-circle though...

That way, Legacy is always a sedan, Outback is always a wagon, Tribeca is the larger SUV, Forester the small SUV, Baja (if it returns) is the pickup, and the Impreza is always a coupe/hatch (soon).

Getting rid of the wagon Legacy makes the wagon Outback more special without the redundancy. They need to kill the Outback Sedan to bring the redundancy killing full-circle though...

That way, Legacy is always a sedan, Outback is always a wagon, Tribeca is the larger SUV, Forester the small SUV, Baja (if it returns) is the pickup, and the Impreza is always a coupe/hatch (soon).

i agree! that helps reduce the redundancy in the line up... hopefully with the next forester redesign that will FULLY separate buyers from cross shopping between the outback and the forester.. from a sales standpoint its always nice to show someone something else in the line up that fits their tastes, but people ALWAYS asking to look at a forester and an outback is ridiculous

if people do really want the legacy gt wagon, i would honestly ask subaru to kill the Outback XT and only have a LGT wagon... but if the OBXT sells better than the LGT, then why not just kill the LGT wagon altogether?

So, what if Subaru offers an touring or street edition Outback wagon (in MT & AT) that merely has cladding and an Outback badge? Legacy wagon buyers still get their car, and Subaru still gets their simplified lineup & reduced cross-shopping. They haven't announced their '08 lineup yet, so maybe they anticipated the needs of Legacy lovers (wishful thinking?).

^^I dunno. I live in New England, which is big Subie country. I see lots of Outbacks, a few LGT wagons, and almost no Legacy 2.5i wagons. Most people seemingly would rather pay more money for worse handling. :huh:

Canada is a somewhat different market btw; it would not surprise me if they still got wagons.

BTW I rented a 6MT 2.0t Passat wagon in Europe last spring. Very nice car but also spendy and iffy reliability.

Really? :confused:

They're pretty common in my experience. We counted 5 in the Okemo parking lot last week and I see them quite often down in MA too.

i agree! that helps reduce the redundancy in the line up... hopefully with the next forester redesign that will FULLY separate buyers from cross shopping between the outback and the forester.. from a sales standpoint its always nice to show someone something else in the line up that fits their tastes, but people ALWAYS asking to look at a forester and an outback is ridiculous

if people do really want the legacy gt wagon, i would honestly ask subaru to kill the Outback XT and only have a LGT wagon... but if the OBXT sells better than the LGT, then why not just kill the LGT wagon altogether?

Or, they could market the OB-XT to it's niche, and the LGT to it's niche, and sell more of both!

:furious:

-=Allen

So, what if Subaru offers an touring or street edition Outback wagon (in MT & AT) that merely has cladding and an Outback badge? Legacy wagon buyers still get their car, and Subaru still gets their simplified lineup & reduced cross-shopping. They haven't announced their '08 lineup yet, so maybe they anticipated the needs of Legacy lovers (wishful thinking?).

A "touring or street edition" of the outback wagon, would be a Legacy GT trim Outback wagon... the Outback is a Trim of the Legacy.

A Legacy trim of an Outback trim of a Legacy seems silly.

HOWEVER, I wouldn't be against buying it.

The only thing I don't like about the Outback XT is I think the cladding is ugly, and I don't like the suspension setup/ride height. (And the exhaust tips and what not)

-Allen

Well, since I can't buy a Legacy wagon in the US with a manual tranny NOW...they've already lost me. Especially as I watch the Outback get more and more SUV like (i.e. the new grill IMHO). :furious:

I like the idea of having a "street" version of the OB. That is a fantastic idea! If I did buy an Outback, I would want to lower it several inches anyway.

A Japanese site, Auto Gallery Net, claims in a 1/10 article that there will be no more Legacy touring wagon from 2008 in North America. Outback and sedan choices only.

Outback to be offered in wagon only.

http://www.carview.co.jp/news/0/28617/

A Japanese site, Auto Gallery Net, claims in a 1/10 article that there will be no more Legacy touring wagon from 2008 in North America. Outback and sedan choices only.

Outback to be offered in wagon only.

http://www.carview.co.jp/news/0/28617/

unclemat hates you :lol:

Dumb decision especially if they sell Legacy wagon in non-US markets. May be they should make Legacy wagon as the new Outback "sport".

Well, since I can't buy a Legacy wagon in the US with a manual tranny NOW...they've already lost me. Especially as I watch the Outback get more and more SUV like (i.e. the new grill IMHO). :furious:

I like the idea of having a "street" version of the OB. That is a fantastic idea! If I did buy an Outback, I would want to lower it several inches anyway.I heard them in the press conference list the Outback as an SUV. :rolleyes:

Subaru, it's still a car even with jacked up suspension. It was a stupid move with the OB a couple years ago and we still don't think it's any more SUV now than it was then.

A Legacy trim of an Outback trim of a Legacy seems silly.

HOWEVER, I wouldn't be against buying it.

Does sound silly when you put it that way. :lol: The key part, though, is that you'd consider buying it. :D Besides, Outback won't be a trim of Legacy anymore, at least not in the US, it'll be a unique body style, so a unique model.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/urabus/d415/ob.jpg
http://www.legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17080&d=1144896135

I heard them in the press conference list the Outback as an SUV. :rolleyes:

To cheat on CAFE credits, they jacked it up to sell as SUV. This precludes any chance for "lowered", "sport" trim of the Outback.

I heard them in the press conference list the Outback as an SUV. :rolleyes:

Subaru, it's still a car even with jacked up suspension. It was a stupid move with the OB a couple years ago and we still don't think it's any more SUV now than it was then.

hey its 8.4in off the ground.. with its approach and departure angles its an SUV ;) its more so an SUV than a RAV4 or highlander :D

To cheat on CAFE credits, they jacked it up to sell as SUV. This precludes any chance for "lowered", "sport" trim of the Outback.

You are a fanatic... and I don't mean that in a good way. Despite what some special interest groups have made a big deal out of... the Outback was not lifted to dodge CAFE... The vast majority of Outback sales are 2.5i models... The H6s and turbos don't sell in anywhere near the numbers to make an impact. The Outback was lifted from 7.3" and 7.9" to 8.4 and 8.7 for one single purpose... to improve its case as an SUV alternative. Any "benefit" from the light truck classification was a side effect.

You are a fanatic... and I don't mean that in a good way. Despite what some special interest groups have made a big deal out of... the Outback was not lifted to dodge CAFE... The vast majority of Outback sales are 2.5i models... The H6s and turbos don't sell in anywhere near the numbers to make an impact. The Outback was lifted from 7.3" and 7.9" to 8.4 and 8.7 for one single purpose... to improve its case as an SUV alternative. Any "benefit" from the light truck classification was a side effect.

If it were a Honda, I might buy that argument, but let's face it...Subarus are not the most fuel-efficient vehicles in their class by any means. I think it's a good strategy from both the CAFE and non-SUV SUV marketing standpoints. :)

Any "benefit" from the light truck classification was a side effect.

Oh, yeah, totally unimportant "side effect". C'mon.

yeah...I mean no disrespect but I find it hard to believe that they raised it only to improve the approach angle. :huh:

On the other hand, I LOVE that black OB posted above. I want more info! :banana:

So explain why the Forester has also been raised... and it keeps it's designation. It's not CAFE.

So explain why the Forester has also been raised... and it keeps it's designation. It's not CAFE.

Smoke screen? :lol:

Maybe Forester does not meet other criteria to be sold as light truck?

Regardless, if CAFE was unimportant I guess they could have sold OBs as cars, riiiiight?

Legacy Wagons are hot, i dont see why they are killing them off, stupid rumors

I wonder why nobody raised a stink when the 2003 Forester was classified for CAFE purposes as a light truck when all previous Foresters had been classified as passenger cars.

It was a stupid move with the OB a couple years ago and we still don't think it's any more SUV now than it was then.

They sell more outbacks than non outback trim Legacy's so I don't think it was that stupid of a move.

people are stupid... the forester and OB get nearly the same mpg city and highway... how would CAFE standards make much of a difference!? CAFE makes no real impact for subaru's gas mileage...

On the other hand, I LOVE that black OB posted above. I want more info! :banana:

That's owned by "drewster" on the legacygt.com forums.

people are stupid... the forester and OB get nearly the same mpg city and highway... how would CAFE standards make much of a difference!? CAFE makes no real impact for subaru's gas mileage...If Subaru sold some subcompact cars (R1/R2) it would have an effect. Otherwise, not so much. If anything, moving the non-turbo models to truck status hurt the CAFE rating.

If Subaru sold some subcompact cars (R1/R2) it would have an effect. Otherwise, not so much. If anything, moving the non-turbo models to truck status hurt the CAFE rating.

bingo. If OB's/Foresters were in classified as cars we may actually get more hotted up STI products like an LSTI. In the car class we have the legacy and impreza... total the turbo trims outnumber the n/a's 2:1. I think this is a case of "shot-our-own-foot-itis".

CAFE rating definitions be damned

a truck or suv is a body on frame vehicle that can haul much more than kids and groceries, 'nuff said

That's owned by "drewster" on the legacygt.com forums.

Thanks!!! I'll check it out. :)

people are stupid... the forester and OB get nearly the same mpg city and highway... how would CAFE standards make much of a difference!? CAFE makes no real impact for subaru's gas mileage...

The CAFE standard for light trucks is lower than for cars, so reclassifying some vehicles as "trucks" improves Subaru's overall score. That said, AFAIK Subaru did not have a CAFE problem to begin with and improving CAFE was not the main reason for making the Outback a "truck."

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/CAFE/overview.htm

Uncledoormat strikes again. :lol:

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wagon

wagon

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Too funny!!

:lol::lol::lol:

bumps always appreciated

thank god, maybe they get rid of wagons altogether... :devil: