Well I could not find anything on nasioc to support or refute this rumor so I figured I would open it up to discussion, if it has already been posted be accept my humble apologies. There are many sources that support this I don't think i'm at liberty to divulge them here, but it has been said the 08 sti will only be available in a 5 door (wagon) just like the mazda speed 3. Rumor is also that this is being refuted very strongly and that certain people would like to see the wagon as well as the sedan. Your thoughts? Mine are if it is only available in a wagon we will see a decline in sti sales and a big increase in evo sales. Dare i make such a terrible statement.

That last statement is blasfamous. Wagons rule and EVO = POS no matter what the STI looks like.

That last statement is blasfamous. Wagos rule and EVO = POS no matter what the STI looks like.

fanboy

There may be more factors for prospective owners to consider than body type.

Example: The newest EVO looks like it will be offered with a real live SMG, so (if Subaru sees fit to not offer one) preference for one might not be only a wagon v sedan sort of thing.

I didn't think we'd even ruled out a 3-door STI yet, let alone a sedan. AFAIK, there's not enough info out there to productively speculate. Anyone have any facts?

hell I'd buy a 5 door STi over the EVO carp anyday....


Jamie

i know the freakin wrx will be a F#%$# 5 door wagon like the mazda 3 (i don't care if people say hatchback it LOOKS LIKE A F.....G WAGON no matter what)
maybe and hopefully!! the STI will be sedan to compete with the evo X.
This is the last chance subaru has not to screw up.
I'm tired of liking subarus only because what they do while obligating myself to ignore the looks, I want a car that looks really nice inside out while it performs the same way. its not that hard and the price doesn't need to go up because of this. its just a thing of taste from subaru which seems to lack.

hopefully and it should be 3 door..
wrx will be 5 door and some other flavors..
NYIAS cant come soon enough

hopefully and it should be 3 door..
wrx will be 5 door and some other flavors..
NYIAS cant come soon enough

I heard that is kind of like that!

why does saying its a 5 door assume its going to be a wagon? sedans are also 5 doors.

^^ :huh: :lol:

Sedans are 4-doors, hatches and wagons are considered 5-doors per 4 or 5 doors or direct cabin access. That is the general consensus.

There are many sources that support this I don't think i'm at liberty to divulge them here, but it has been said the 08 sti will only be available in a 5 door ...You have good sources.

I think, internally, SOA scrupulously terms it a 5-door, but I think everyone else will call it a hatch/hatchback when it's finally unveiled in Frankfurt this September.

Maybe we'll see a mini B11S - that's a five-door, sort of.
http://www.subdriven.com/gallery/albums//Automobiles/Concept%20Cars%20and%20Design/B11S/011.jpg

^^^that would be nice...:disco:

Maybe we'll see a mini B11S - that's a five-door, sort of.Subaru actually called that a coupe. :)

i hope the sti is a 3 door hatch and the wrx a 5 door

after thinking for a few more seconds i will say the sti IS probably gonna be a hatch why? why else did they kill the legacy wagon? to reduce redundancy across the lineup... so from subarus performance thinks of it like this

Impreza STI (hatch)
Legacy STI (sedan)
Forester STI (SUV)

^this makes valid sense

Sedans are 4-doors, hatches and wagons are considered 5-doors per 4 or 5 doors or direct cabin access. That is the general consensus.

well... what is this...?:lol:
http://images.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/vehicles/gallery/M6H/pho_gallery_M6H_ext2.jpg
it's a mazda...:lol:

That last statement is blasfamous. Wagons rule and EVO = POS no matter what the STI looks like.

Exactly evo X is on the same platform as the Dodge Caliber!LOL! a 3door STI would be awesome; short wheelbase and the only way it would be lighter, also the only way to compete in WRC, and I don't car what it will look like.

well... what is this...?:lol:
http://images.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/vehicles/gallery/M6H/pho_gallery_M6H_ext2.jpg
it's a mazda...:lol:

It's a 5 door hatchback.

why does saying its a 5 door assume its going to be a wagon? sedans are also 5 doors.

The fifth door is actually called a trunk door. Since it leads to enclosed place called a trunk it's not counted the same as the rest of the doors that lead to the interior of the car.

I like my 5 doors...

http://www.autobytel.com/images/2006/Audi/A3/400/2006_Audi_A3_exfrdrvr342.jpg

well... what is this...?:lol:
http://images.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/vehicles/gallery/M6H/pho_gallery_M6H_ext2.jpg
it's ghey?...:lol:

fixed...

I did read somewhere that the 08 would be hatch only.

I personally wouldn't buy one. I upgraded from 02 WRX sedan -> 06 STi but would not have done it if the STi was only avail as a hatchback in 06.

ya a five door would be dope but according to certain people in the company it is basically a version of the current wrx wagon. Im not saying either they should not offer it in a wagon, i think that would be sick, i just think it would be wiser from a business standpoint to offer both. As for the comment on the legacy wagon, i think subaru figured one legacy wagon is enough they call it the outback.

If the 08 arrived as a Mazdaspeed3-esque 5-door, or even a proper wagon, I would be sorely tempted to upgrade from the WRX wagon to it. If it's a 3-door or a sedan, no dice.

5 door... 2 coupe doors and 2 suicide doors ala RX8, and a hatch.

--kC

I would go for a 5 door hatch STI myself. Having speed and practicality is what I love about the MZ3, but no AWD so I won't buy it.

Off Topic: Some of you need to stop hating on Evos so much. The Evo is not a caliber platform. It was a joint project. If you have seen the latest "prototype x" you'll see that the Evo has come a long way.

If the 08 arrived as a Mazdaspeed3-esque 5-door, or even a proper wagon, I would be sorely tempted to upgrade from the WRX wagon to it. If it's a 3-door or a sedan, no dice.

X2 It's still a huge step back in usefullness for often unused improvements in on road performance.

I'd love to have a badder, newer hatch to complement the bugeye that will be staying until it's end.

I will never, ever get tired of witnessing

1) Subaru fans who are insecure about the way their car looks
2) People who are insecure about driving a wagon or hatch, but love 4-door cars.

Off Topic: Some of you need to stop hating on Evos so much.

^ Well...I really like the Evo's since from the beginning:

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/08.mitsubishi.evolution.x/mitsubishi.evo.x.f34.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/08.mitsubishi.evolution.x/mitsubishi.evo.x.r34.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/08.mitsubishi.evolution.x/mitsubishi.evo.x.int.2.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/08.mitsubishi.evolution.x/mitsubishi.evo.x.det.500.jpg

-> I like the pre-production (aka. near-final) Evo X Concept, but after seeing this...

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/08.mitsubishi.evolution.x/mitsubishi.evo.x.shifter.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/08.mitsubishi.evolution.x/mitsubishi.evo.x.paddle.500.jpg

...thats a HUGE minus on the fun factor in my opinion, and since the STi is more fun to drive than the CT9A Evo's already.

;)

While I agree with you about the lack of fun... (no clutch pedal = no deal) the DSG has been in the plans since before the "pre-production" car was even revealed.

I saw the EVO X concept at the NYAS last year and I sorta liked it. But there is no way the production car will look the same. And no matter what, it will still be made by DSM and have ZERO reliability. I actually love the way Evos drive, but the fact of the matter is they're built like only candy asses will own them. Like I said... EVO = POS.

I expect the new STI will look like the car Subaru enters in WRC. The issue, I suppose, would be whether they also offer it in other configurations as a street car to satisfy demand. I rather doubt it, and from a purist point of view that would be a good thing. Let the STI look like the rally car(in terms of its basic number of doors)--take it or leave it!!!

I'm not really sure what you are saying, as I'd expect the WRC entrant to be unveiled after the new STI is shown.

i hope the sti is a 3 door hatch and the wrx a 5 door

after thinking for a few more seconds i will say the sti IS probably gonna be a hatch why? why else did they kill the legacy wagon? to reduce redundancy across the lineup... so from subarus performance thinks of it like this

Impreza STI (hatch)
Legacy STI (sedan)
Forester STI (SUV)

^this makes valid sense

Totally agree. I know I've said this many times on this board, but I see it going as:

WRX (5-door hatch)
WRX STI (possibly 3-door hatch?)
Legacy (sedan)
Outback (Wagon)
Baja (Small Pickup - currently discontinued)
Forester (Small SUV)
Tribeca (Mid-Sized SUV)

In The future (theoretically):

Vehicle W (Mini commuter car - Stella?)
Vehicle X (Large SUV - Tribeca may grow to fill this need like the Honda Pilot did)
Vehicle Y (Minivan)
Vehicle Z (Large Sedan ala BMW 7 Series based on Tribeca platform)

Totally agree. I know I've said this many times on this board, but I see it going as:

WRX (5-door hatch)
WRX STI (possibly 3-door hatch?)
Legacy (sedan)
Outback (Wagon)
Baja (Small Pickup - currently discontinued)
Forester (Small SUV)
Tribeca (Mid-Sized SUV)

In The future (theoretically):

Vehicle W (Mini commuter car - Stella?)
Vehicle X (Large SUV - Tribeca may grow to fill this need like the Honda Pilot did)
Vehicle Y (Minivan)
Vehicle Z (Large Sedan ala BMW 7 Series based on Tribeca platform)

HB_Dad all this would literally perfect the subaru line up such as adding a small car, minivan, and large sedan.. and POSSIBLY a convertible:D i will never forget that someone in subaru had said the B9 chasis opens up a chance for a large sedan.. i really hope so, something in the size of a toyota avalon would be phenomenal.. either they will come out with a bigger car OR they will just move the Legacy to the 108in wheelbase of the B9, and this would also help further the size difference and possible cross shopping bw the Impreza/Legacy.

3dr hatch sti... and ill be trading in my 05 for it.

3dr hatch sti... and ill be trading in my 05 for it.

i hope the STI is a 3 door hatch as well.. don't forget, subaru kept on saying that the STI is gonna be so unique you won't be able to build up a WRX to make an STI.. most people can't make a 3 door hatch out of a 4 door ;) BUT the other thing is that notably most of the STI chops have all been 3 door.. even tho they may not look accurate, most of them have the 3 door hatch in common

think shape of a b5tph as a possibility.. and to take it a step further, subaru said the B5tph is NOT the next impreza but could it be the STI? ;):confused:

5-door STI, just like the WRX. If they couldn't be bothered to test a hatch version of a STI up 'til now (when all the parts were already available and, if it didn't work, parts and bodies could just be used to be the previous models), why would uber-cautious Subaru make the STI that unique now?

I actually love the way Evos drive, but the fact of the matter is they're built like only candy asses will own them. Like I said... EVO = POS.While I normally wouldn't trust a Mitsubishi as far as I could push it, the EVO VIII & IX have been fairly reliable cars and have proven to take a lot of abuse.

I'd still trust a Mitsu over a VW.

Since I currently drive a wagon and am financially set to buy an STi this spring... I'd be fine with buying one if it came as a wagon or even a 3 door hatch. Its still an STi. But depending on how it looks... I may just go for an 07 STi.

I'm reaaaally hoping this comes to pass. The only reason I chose the wagon over the STI was the practicality of it. I wanna have my cake, and eat it too! :banana: :banana:

While I normally wouldn't trust a Mitsubishi as far as I could push it, the EVO VIII & IX have been fairly reliable cars and have proven to take a lot of abuse.

I'd still trust a Mitsu over a VW.

I guess you own a tech fund too. :lol:

Yes, VWs are even a bigger hunks of crap and I wouldn't buy them either but that still doesn't make EVOs more reliable.

And having first hand knowledge of friends who've owned EVOs and traded them in for STIs after they blew a tranny or motor and had a hard time getting factory support... I'm sticking with Subies.

I guess you own a tech fund too. :lol:

Yes, VWs are even a bigger hunks of crap and I wouldn't buy them either but that still doesn't make EVOs more reliable.

And having first hand knowledge of friends who've owned EVOs and traded them in for STIs after they blew a tranny or motor and had a hard time getting factory support... I'm sticking with Subies.
Wait, how many WRX trannies have we seen blown again?

Refresh my memory on what the 02-04 WRX's popular nickname for the tranny was? And how many denied warranty claims on those trannies was there? How fast does the STi's stock clutch wear out again?

Or are you that blind to "subaru's superiority" that you totally forget?

Yes, VW's and Mitsubishi's have problems, but don't walk around like Subaru's farts don't stink.

Vostok 7

I am talking about comparing stock to stock. I cannot speak about people who pushed their WRX beyond their intended limit, who poorly maintained their cars, dumped clutched, drove like asshats, raced, or lacked any decent level of sense in regards to car care.

Sure, no manufacturer is perfect and the reality is that no manufacturer wants to build a perfectly reliable vehicle. It's bad for the economy! If they did then the dealership shops and other repair shops would all go out of business for lack of service needs. Then the dealers sales would decline because no one would ever need to buy another car again. Luckily for them Mitsubishi and VW will still be making cars. ;)

I'm not saying my Subaru is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but in the ocean of choices out there I am confident in what I drive, I take good care of it, it's SAFE for my children, and I'll own it a lot longer than I would a VW or DSM.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6060915.002/country/other_jcf/subaru/spy-photos-all-new-subaru-impreza

sorry but the new lancer looks a lot better imho

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2070109.009/country/jcf/Mitsubishi/2008-mitsubishi-lancer-unveiled-at-naias

Since I currently drive a wagon and am financially set to buy an STi this spring... I'd be fine with buying one if it came as a wagon or even a 3 door hatch. Its still an STi. But depending on how it looks... I may just go for an 07 STi.I hope you realize that the 2008 STI 5-door hatch won't go on sale in the US until Jan, 2008.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6060915.002/country/other_jcf/subaru/spy-photos-all-new-subaru-impreza

sorry but the new lancer looks a lot better imho

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2070109.009/country/jcf/Mitsubishi/2008-mitsubishi-lancer-unveiled-at-naias

I also think the new lancer looks ALOT better

The spyshot is not revealing enough to gather an honest opinion.

a lot

;16631181']I hope you realize that the 2008 STI 5-door hatch won't go on sale in the US until Jan, 2008.


It woulda been nice for it to come out before I had to pay for the leaky fuel lines in my WRX wagon outta my own pocket, but them's the breaks, and the car does have 97,000 miles on it now.;)

Hopefully they will allow IMBA discounts right out of the gate.:devil:

;16631181']I hope you realize that the 2008 STI 5-door hatch won't go on sale in the US until Jan, 2008.

May-September '07 sometime if they stay consistant with their past.

If it was 5/07, I think we'd have caught an uncamouflaged glimpse by now...

Maybe we'll see a mini B11S - that's a five-door, sort of.
http://www.subdriven.com/gallery/albums//Automobiles/Concept%20Cars%20and%20Design/B11S/011.jpg

Great a Mazda RX8 bastard clone:(
http://www2.uol.com.br/bestcars/carros/saloes/detroit01/mazda-rx8-5.jpg

if the sti is a 5 door hatch, subaru just lost a loyal customer

i dont want a family car, i want a race car

just give me a legacy sti and i'll be happy.

if the sti is a 5 door hatch, subaru just lost a loyal customer

i dont want a family car, i want a race car

How is a hatch more of a family car than a 4 door sedan? How is either a race car

;16631181']I hope you realize that the 2008 STI 5-door hatch won't go on sale in the US until Jan, 2008.May-September '07 sometime if they stay consistant with their past.Huh? :huh:

The world autoshow premier of the 5-door STI hatch won't happen until this September, at the Frankfurt Auto Show.

;16632265']Huh? :huh:

The world autoshow premier of the 5-door STI hatch won't happen until this September, at the Frankfurt Auto Show.

The rest of the impreza family will be hitting dealer showrooms may-sept timeframe... he didn't know/forgot the delayed release of the sti ;)

Great a Mazda RX8 bastard cloneSubaru unveiled the B11S at the 2003 Geneva auto salon. Hardly a R8X clone. Subaru's only fault is that I can't buy one of those 400 PS beasts today.

The rest of the impreza family will be hitting dealer showrooms may-sept timeframe... he didn't know/forgot the delayed release of the sti ;)Yeah, the new 2008 Impreza won't hit dealers' showrooms until this August. And, yeah, the introduction of a new STI has traditionally lagged that of the base Impreza by about half a year.

Hatchbacks/wagons rule, as they can carry cows.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c47/BigFatGeek/hatchback-cow.jpg

<< Hatchbacker for life.

;16631181']I hope you realize that the 2008 STI 5-door hatch won't go on sale in the US until Jan, 2008.

um november of 07 actually

November's supposed to be start of production, not sale date, from what I've seen.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6060915.002/country/other_jcf/subaru/spy-photos-all-new-subaru-impreza

sorry but the new lancer looks a lot better imho

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2070109.009/country/jcf/Mitsubishi/2008-mitsubishi-lancer-unveiled-at-naias

+1, plus I hope Sub aint benchmarking the GTI

oh boy, i feel nervous. I might just go for teh '07 and be done with all of this mess. While a wagone/ hatch, [whatever you want to argue it to be] would be beneficial, it should not be the only choice. I am hoping for a sedan for the kids.

hmmm..guesstimates of '08 STI weight? I think it's going to be porky.

fanboy

no, you just can't change the poor engineering ****subishi does

I want to see an STI coupe!

i want no doors, open wheels, and 1500 LBS less than we get now. then maybe i buy!

--keith

the b11 should come here as an SVX!!

this lends considerable to my theory of one impreza body style
no sedan/no wagon just a 5 door

bummer

Make sense from a manufacturing point of view, even a few Subaru-fan type people here have tried to claim, "It's good for you!". I don't buy it.

If the performance is there to parallel the usefullness than I hold no oposition.

I would prefer a 5 door wagon. A hatch's rear is generally sloped too much and is thus very annoying (think Infiniti FX35...ugh!). Also, I am not a fan of suicide doors as they make side-impact protection suck, and they look like they just did a halfass job completing the car.

something similar in design to the GTI (3 door hatch) would be acceptable, but I've got an affinity for function and lower insurance...thus, I want the doors.

;16632496']Yeah, the new 2008 Impreza won't hit dealers' showrooms until this August. And, yeah, the introduction of a new STI has traditionally lagged that of the base Impreza by about half a year.

That's not what I've heard from my salesman, but I haven't talked to him since before the holidays. I wanted a new car last year, but held on for the STI LTD (which didn't have enough headroom) so now I'm looking at the next generation. If it's going to be another year, I may as well buy an '07 STI and then pick up an '09 after the first year bugs are worked out.

Ed

That's not what I've heard from my salesman, but I haven't talked to him since before the holidays. I wanted a new car last year, but held on for the STI LTD (which didn't have enough headroom) so now I'm looking at the next generation. If it's going to be another year, I may as well buy an '07 STI and then pick up an '09 after the first year bugs are worked out.

Ed

That's what I did!! ;)

Maybe we'll see a mini B11S - that's a five-door, sort of.
http://www.subdriven.com/gallery/albums//Automobiles/Concept%20Cars%20and%20Design/B11S/011.jpg

I do like this!

I don't think people should pass judgement on whether or not they are going to like the 5 door until they see it in person. I have heard VERY good things about it.

Maybe we'll see a mini B11S - that's a five-door, sort of.
http://www.subdriven.com/gallery/albums//Automobiles/Concept%20Cars%20and%20Design/B11S/011.jpg

Looks liek the bastard love child of a three-way between a Focus, a Z4, and an RX8

i hope the sti is a 3 door hatch and the wrx a 5 door

Ok. PM me and I'll tell you where to send the thank you card.

- Christian

According to a Japanese website, AGN:

- There will be a JDM hatchback and a 5-door sedan.
- The hatchback will be NA, and abt 1760mm (69.3in) wide.
- The sedan will receive a turbo.
- Sedan dimensions increase slightly from existing model. (LWH) = 4480mm (176.4in) x 1770mm (69.7in) x 1450mm (57.1in)
- Its unclear whether WRX and WRX-STI will be the names used
- The top end model will definitely be tuned and outfitted by STi
- The top model will be powered by a EJ20 turbo

According to a Japanese website, AGN:

- There will be a JDM hatchback and a 5-door sedan.
- The hatchback will be NA, and abt 1760mm (69.3in) wide.
- The sedan will receive a turbo.
- Sedan dimensions increase slightly from existing model. (LWH) = 4480mm (176.4in) x 1770mm (69.7in) x 1450mm (57.1in)
- Its unclear whether WRX and WRX-STI will be the names used
- The top end model will definitely be tuned and outfitted by STi
- The top model will be powered by a EJ20 turbo


the current dimensions for the sedan are (LWH)=175.8 x 68.5 x 56.7
versus "future":176.4 x 69.7 x 57.1

thats hardly a difference at all:confused: luckily they widened the car a bit for hopefully more shoulder room.. come on subaru give us more rear seat room!!

according to that info...the base models are gonna be hatches.. the STI is gonna be a sedan vs the evo sedan (that kinda makes sense).. i'm kinda clueless as to what to expect with the whole hatchback thing.. yea i've got nothing.....

what's wrong with a 5 door...?
maybe it's going to look like a mazda3...

I prefer the 04-05 style over anything personally

I have always liked the EVO and STi equally, but the fact that mitsubishi makes crappy products that break even if and when you take the proper care of them made my decision of which car to purchase.

All that new tech that the EVO X offers looks great and all on paper but it seems like alot of stuff that can break that they won't warranty because of abuse/racing. The SMG tranny looks cool and while doesn't give you the same driving feel as the traditional manual it is a great performance item. All cars have their goods and bads but the track record that I have encountered personally with mitsubishi is just terrible so many problems just spring out of nowhere.

I would like to see a 3door hatch STi or a 2door coupe but I really think that the 5dr wagon or another sedan is far more likly to occur. I would like to see what subaru does to keep the competition with the EVO going. As something that I was thinking about with the new evo is that they finally bring the USA the active yaw control which is suppose to make it handle significantly better than current model and the STi, but the JDM and euro models have always had it and the STi didn't trail but by a couple of seconds (granted those have the 2.0 and various other things that the USDM doesn't but nothing really technologically more advanced).

http://www.pifiu.com/vortex/uploads/2007-jan/sticoupe.jpeg
http://solberg.umd.edu/trips/temp-japan/DSC_0735-resized.JPG
http://www.pifiu.com/vortex/uploads/2007-jan/bilde.jpg
http://www.pifiu.com/vortex/uploads/2007-jan/fdrt.jpg
http://solberg.umd.edu/trips/temp-japan/DSC_0284-resized.JPG
http://www.pifiu.com/vortex/uploads/2007-jan/alex4zv.jpeg

what's wrong with a 5 door...?
maybe it's going to look like a mazda3...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The STI will have to look on par with the new EVO X concept unveiled at the Detroit Auto Show. That is there main and only competition here in the US. That car looks phenomenal! They certainly have there work cut out. Hopefully they will make it more powerful then the 320hp 325lb tq of that car just like they did back when they first were unveiled in the states.

Can't wait for the 3 or 5 door hatch. Going to be sick....i hope!!!

I think the US must be the only country in the world that attaches such a strong stigma to hatches and wagons, and I just don't get it. Why deny yourself the extra utility?

I have a friend with this anti-hatch/wagon problem, and he bought a sedan. "It's no problem, I can still get my drums in there" Yea, but I just open the hatch, flatten the rear seats, and toss my all my gear in and go. He has to flatten his seats, coax the hardware box through the trunk and through the folded seats, then put the kick drum in the front seat, the toms on the other side of the back seat, and then no room for his girlfriend....:rolleyes: it's ridiculous. Here's me, ridiculing it!

and nevermind what happened when he needed a new living room chair....


Of course we went through this once already when the coupe was dropped. ZOMG the WRX is a family car! Oh Noes!!

I think the US must be the only country in the world that attaches such a strong stigma to hatches and wagons, and I just don't get it. Why deny yourself the extra utility?

I have a friend with this anti-hatch/wagon problem, and he bought a sedan. "It's no problem, I can still get my drums in there" Yea, but I just open the hatch, flatten the rear seats, and toss my all my gear in and go. He has to flatten his seats, coax the hardware box through the trunk and through the folded seats, then put the kick drum in the front seat, the toms on the other side of the back seat, and then no room for his girlfriend....:rolleyes: it's ridiculous. Here's me, ridiculing it!

and nevermind what happened when he needed a new living room chair....


Of course we went through this once already when the coupe was dropped. ZOMG the WRX is a family car! Oh Noes!!

Yup, I don't get it either. My fiancee's MINI is more useful for carrying things than my Impreza. 5 door hatches are the best though. I really hope the next Impreza STI is a 5 door hatch. There's a chance I'd buy one in that case. ;)

~~Quentin

Not that I'd be able to afford an STi, but a wagon would be great. The weight is my only issue with the STi, and I don't see it getting any lighter.


Mick

I saw the EVO X concept at the NYAS last year and I sorta liked it. But there is no way the production car will look the same. And no matter what, it will still be made by DSM and have ZERO reliability. I actually love the way Evos drive, but the fact of the matter is they're built like only candy asses will own them. Like I said... EVO = POS.

SMACK! Sorry dude, but Diamond Star Motors dissolved in 1998. Yes that's right, for all intents and purposes, the 1999 Eclipse was not a DSM.

None of the Evos are DSMs.

That being said, I agree with your statements about Mitsubishi's build quality as of late. If the new STi is a hatchback, it makes you wonder whether or not the Evo vs STi rivalry will continue. The part about this that does not make sense is that Subaru has already stated that their intention with the production STi is to compete with cars such as the M3.

if the sti is a 5 door hatch, subaru just lost a loyal customer

i dont want a family car, i want a race car

Then buy a corvette/porsche/viper..

Id like to see Subaru expand the STi line a little maybe. Keep the sedan but offer a 3 door hatch or a coupe version. But we will see wont we? I hope they dont drop the sedan..

I have always liked the EVO and STi equally, but the fact that mitsubishi makes crappy products that break even if and when you take the proper care of them made my decision of which car to purchase.

All that new tech that the EVO X offers looks great and all on paper but it seems like alot of stuff that can break that they won't warranty because of abuse/racing. The SMG tranny looks cool and while doesn't give you the same driving feel as the traditional manual it is a great performance item. All cars have their goods and bads but the track record that I have encountered personally with mitsubishi is just terrible so many problems just spring out of nowhere.

I would like to see a 3door hatch STi or a 2door coupe but I really think that the 5dr wagon or another sedan is far more likly to occur. I would like to see what subaru does to keep the competition with the EVO going. As something that I was thinking about with the new evo is that they finally bring the USA the active yaw control which is suppose to make it handle significantly better than current model and the STi, but the JDM and euro models have always had it and the STi didn't trail but by a couple of seconds (granted those have the 2.0 and various other things that the USDM doesn't but nothing really technologically more advanced).

I'll argue that Mitsubishi makes poor products all day long.
Based on my personal experience with both.
My 02 wrx was terrible, it stopped running several times, it had all the injectors replaced (the no.3 twice), the ecm was updated then replaced, the drivers seat back broke, the right rear sway bar link went, the left front headlight harness was pinched in the front fender sheet metal, and lets not forget that raw fuel smell on cold day's (Subaru insisted nothing was wrong but later came out with a technical bulletin and parts kit to fix "nothing").

My 03 evo has had it's brembo calipers replaced because the clearcoat was coming off (4 new brembo calipers at 28,000 miles) the recaro drivers seat suede was wearing so they replaced that (a new drivers seat at 31,000 miles), the rear drive shaft was replaced at 22,000 miles because of a clunking noise and the thermostat gasket was replaced during a 30,000 mile service.

I'm a big fan of both cars and will be buying one or the other in 08.

In my opinion both have their strengths and faults.

One more thing, in the june quality reports mitsubishi was rated higher than subaru.

Anyway, here's to hoping both cars will better than thier predecessor's.

Hatches don't sell well in the US. It would be foolish for them to make a five door hatch and I doubt they will. It will be a sedan just like the EVO X but hopefully with more power. If not I will be trading in my 05 STI for an Evo or a BMW 335i.

One more thing, in the june quality reports mitsubishi was rated higher than subaru.



the EVO, having way less sales than the regular lancer (and every other mitsu for that matter) would not impact their quality rating as far as a subaru problem would(since like 1/3 of their line up is an impreza based car).
if the regular lancer had the chassis and everything of the EVO, then it's be more of an apples to apples comparison.

when you get an impreza recall lookout! theres millions to recall in each variation of that model. let alone the possibility that the forester and legacy could be affected as well.

that makes a big difference in overall brand quality rating vs. specific model ratings.

--keith

what is with all these high tech looking cars? it sickening, nothing ever stays simple and plain, it's all high tech now. i think we shouldve kept the gc8 styling myself. and that new evo concept is awful looking. i like evos the way they are now why change? i always like hatchbacks but not for an STi. i don't thnk they should shy away from sedans.

what is with all these high tech looking cars? it sickening, nothing ever stays simple and plain, it's all high tech now. i think we shouldve kept the gc8 styling myself.

but the gc8 looks like this...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/68/Accord_se_coupe.jpg/800px-Accord_se_coupe.jpg

Oh c'mon........

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/Siper2/Subaru%20Impreza/DSC00162.jpg


My car's pissed, now. :lol:


But I'm all about progress, for sure.

I think the US must be the only country in the world that attaches such a strong stigma to hatches and wagons, and I just don't get it. Why deny yourself the extra utility?

I have a friend with this anti-hatch/wagon problem, and he bought a sedan. "It's no problem, I can still get my drums in there" Yea, but I just open the hatch, flatten the rear seats, and toss my all my gear in and go. He has to flatten his seats, coax the hardware box through the trunk and through the folded seats, then put the kick drum in the front seat, the toms on the other side of the back seat, and then no room for his girlfriend....:rolleyes: it's ridiculous. Here's me, ridiculing it!

and nevermind what happened when he needed a new living room chair....


Of course we went through this once already when the coupe was dropped. ZOMG the WRX is a family car! Oh Noes!!

I'm with you! I had three cars that were hatchbacks. I missed that, a LOT, when I got the RS.

I still do.

=S2=

if the sti is a 5 door hatch, subaru just lost a loyal customer

i dont want a family car, i want a race car

I agree with the others, who've replied to you.

You drive an '04 STi. Which is nothing more than a small family sedan, spruced up.

With the unique relationship with the WRC, the Impreza is designed to be very race-worthy. But it not, and will never be, a legitimate sports car.

Doesn't make it any less CAPABLE, in some examples, but it's still a sedan with a performance badge.

Doesn't make it any less CAPABLE, in some examples, but it's still a sedan with a performance badge.

Sorry to have to do this:

<:devil:>
But what about the BMW M5. Is it just a sedan with a performance "M" badge?
</:devil:>

(That was me turning on/off the Devil's advocate mode)

Hatches don't sell well in the US. It would be foolish for them to make a five door hatch and I doubt they will. It will be a sedan just like the EVO X but hopefully with more power. If not I will be trading in my 05 STI for an Evo or a BMW 335i.

wait you cant say hatches don't sell well.. look at the new dodge caliber that replaces the neon.. its a hatch..

and to the guy that wanted the expansion of the STI line, i agree.. and i REALLY hope the STI is a 3 door hatch... why? product differentiation

Impreza STI-3 door hatch
Legacy STI 4 door sedan
Forester STI compact SUV
Outback STI wagon

I had these pictures saved in my comp. for a few months now. I hope they really look like this. Id love to sport a STi hatch.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g57/engz/STihatch2.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g57/engz/STihatch.jpg

I had these pictures saved in my comp. for a few months now. I hope they really look like this. Id love to sport a STi hatch.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g57/engz/STihatch2.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g57/engz/STihatch.jpg

Unlikely to be realistic.

well... what is this...?:lol:
http://images.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/vehicles/gallery/M6H/pho_gallery_M6H_ext2.jpg
it's a mazda...:lol:

Correction; it's a fancy boy who just won a rousing game of musical chairs and was so proud he kept the chair.

also the chairs match the colour of his car :lol:

Sorry to have to do this:

<:devil:>
But what about the BMW M5. Is it just a sedan with a performance "M" badge?
</:devil:>

(That was me turning on/off the Devil's advocate mode)

I think it is, though.

Again, doesn't make it less capable than a "sports car" by definition, particularly with today's tech, but yeah the M5 still isn't a "sports car."

I would love a 3 or 5 door hatchback impreza. I hope they
don't sacrifice too much cargo room from the wrx wagon
though, as the wagon is already 'perfect' for my needs.

I would love a 3 or 5 door hatchback impreza. I hope they
don't sacrifice too much cargo room from the wrx wagon
though, as the wagon is already 'perfect' for my needs.


Don't be worried to much about the terminology being thrown around on nasioc. The spyshots have already shown the basic format of the new car is similar to the existing Impreza wagon.

Oh c'mon........

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/Siper2/Subaru%20Impreza/DSC00162.jpg


My car's pissed, now. :lol:


But I'm all about progress, for sure.

this is what i am talking about. that is the best styling and it should still look like that.

but the gc8 looks like this...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/68/Accord_se_coupe.jpg/800px-Accord_se_coupe.jpg

Oooh, the 93 SE. I tried for months to find the SE spoiler before mine went into the shop to be de-rusted.

Anyways, I'm hoping against the 5-door blob thing myself. I mean...it seems like all cars are just looking blobby now anyways, but still. I mean, i do like the WRX wagon, my best friend has one, but I feel like they should still be building it in the proper sedan instead of trying to cater to the largest possible audience. I'm just worried there won't be any 07's left when I go for mine in Sept-Nov 07.

for those wagon/hatch haters...
see the trend...?
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/ford-focus-rs-wrc-3.JPG
http://static.flickr.com/47/129501260_e21f169c39_m.jpg
http://www.damox.com/cars/thumbs/Peugeot/Peugeot_206_wrc.jpg
http://homepage3.nifty.com/okuruma/citroen/cxsa-6004.jpg
http://www.toys-hobbies.co.uk/trolleyed/images/products/090457.jpg
http://www.autobytel.com/images/carpics/testDrv/Mazda3/500/04Mazda3.jpg

A 2 door is not a Wagon.

ive heard that the us will get a sedan for the STi

A 2 door is not a Wagon.

yes... a 2 door is a coupe...:p haha... i know what you mean...
but see the above example i put out...
of all those wrc cars... which ones actually has no 5 door version...?
(the ford focus has 5 door version, same body... the peugeot also has 5 door version, same body...)
5 door version won't look ugly... as proven by these wrc cars (although they could be 3 doors, they are the same body as the 5 door street versions)
ps... what really make a hatch/wagon look ugly... is the length of the rear overhang...

Can't Subaru just copy the 206 and bring that over here? 206= hawtness.

the ford focus has 5 door version, same body... the peugeot also has 5 door version, same body...)which you did not post. Hell the Impreza has a wagon as well.

which you did not post. Hell the Impreza has a wagon as well.

you know how hard it is to find the pictures from google...
oh well... if you insist... here they are...
http://www.eberlein-family.com/lennart/Bilder/ford_focus_st_2005_01_b_01.jpg
http://www.peugeot.com/mediatheque/commun/modeles/206/berline/images/off_800_03.jpg

That's not the WRC entrant. What is the point of your post?

That's not the WRC entrant. What is the point of your post?

why are you insisting they have to be wrc entrant...?
it's not as if you can purchase one...:lol:
if you can purchase a wrc car... then you can have your point...
the street versions are the best we can get...
and they are the same body... just different number of doors...
what i am saying is... hatch/wagon is a trend... take it or leave it...:devil:
edit: you can purchase that suzuki sx4 here in states, it will enter wrc in the near future...

because you posted almost entirely WRC cars, the only one you posted that wasn't a WRC car, was the only one we can even buy in the states.

not a bad looking 5 doors huh...
http://response.jp/issue/2007/0117/article90183_1.images/132587.jpg
it will be competing in wrc...
what? still have the fit about 5 doors?

Christ almighty, I've got no problem with 5 doors. I just don't see the point of your ramblings.

not a bad looking 5 doors huh...
http://response.jp/issue/2007/0117/article90183_1.images/132587.jpg
it will be competing in wrc...
what? still have the fit about 5 doors?
That car actually won't see any competition. I've seen it in person and it is (as it says on the side) a concept. It was at the new york auto show last year, and it is only a shell. No drive train or working parts. Something similar may work it's way to racing, but not that car.

http://images.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/vehicles/gallery/M6H/pho_gallery_M6H_ext2.jpg


dude, what is he wearing? a ghey arse button shirt over a ghey arse v-neck over a t shirt? hes mazda ghey:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Christ almighty, I've got no problem with 5 doors. I just don't see the point of your ramblings.

:lol:
you sure is persistent...
as long as you have no problem with 5 doors, like you just said...

originally, i was directing to all those with problems with 5 doors,
so i gave examples of all other competitions of impreza, all being 5 doors,
(well... you'll say they are 2 doors... but they are the same body...:furious: )
and i said, it's a trend, whether you like it or not...
obviously, the spy shot of impreza is a 5 door,
who know if they'll use the same 5 door to compete in wrc...
i was just trying to persuade people... 5 doors are not ugly... 5 doors are not scary...
as long as you have no problem with 5 doors... world will be peace...:lol: