http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/16/enter-the-rumormill-subaru-in-the-near-future/?CFID=11642094&CFTOKEN=26127625

There have been some minor rumblings, as of late, about Subaru's future offerings, including information about the Impreza WRX and its STI variant. The new Impreza will likely debut in New York this April, with sales beginning in August of this year, while the STI will probably bow in Frankfurt, and go on sale in early 2008.

The other rumor making the rounds is that the Legacy wagon will no longer be available starting in 2008, however the Outback wagon will still be around for those of you who prefer its higher ground clearance and off-road cred.

Also coming to NY will be the '08 Tribeca, complete with 3.6-liter H6 and a revised look (thank God). Sales of the new Tribeca are rumored to begin in June.

Considering that Subaru's appearance in Detroit was kind of a let down, we're looking forward to seeing more compelling product coming down the pike.

i am betting the sucker will look nothing like what we are expecting....

We've known all this for 6 months now.

i am betting the sucker will look nothing like what we are expecting....

i'm betting it looks like the camo'd white car in the 'spyshots'

We've known all this for 6 months now.
Actually it reads like this is where they got thier information from.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/16/enter-the-rumormill-subaru-in-the-near-future/?CFID=11642094&CFTOKEN=26127625

There have been some minor rumblings, as of late, about Subaru's future offerings, including information about the Impreza WRX and its STI variant. The new Impreza will likely debut in New York this April, with sales beginning in August of this year, while the STI will probably bow in Frankfurt, and go on sale in early 2008.

The other rumor making the rounds is that the Legacy wagon will no longer be available starting in 2008, however the Outback wagon will still be around for those of you who prefer its higher ground clearance and off-road cred.

Also coming to NY will be the '08 Tribeca, complete with 3.6-liter H6 and a revised look (thank God). Sales of the new Tribeca are rumored to begin in June.

Considering that Subaru's appearance in Detroit was kind of a let down, we're looking forward to seeing more compelling product coming down the pike.

If you look at the bottom of that Autoblog post you will see that they got that info from "Karl on Cars" blog from Edmunds—in which Karl had promped a certain Edmunds community host (me) into posting the Subie info—which Autoblog then picked up! :)

I had posted that info, and within 5 minutes I got an e-mail from Karl thanking me for doing so. They also linked to my blog entry on Straightline too—and ultimately most of my Subie info posted there came from NASIOC. It just goes to show that what goes 'round, comes 'round... Pretty funny I think. :)

Bob

If this info is true I am amazed at how well Subaru has kept this all new Impreza under wraps, seeing that its only a few months away.

If you look at the bottom of that Autoblog post you will see that they got that info from "Karl on Cars" blog from Edmunds—in which Karl had promped a certain Edmunds community host (me) into posting the Subie info—which Autoblog then picked up! :)

I had posted that info, and within 5 minutes I got an e-mail from Karl thanking me for doing so. They also linked to my blog entry on Straightline too—and ultimately most of my Subie info posted there came from NASIOC. It just goes to show that what goes 'round, comes 'round... Pretty funny I think. :)

Bob
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you look at the bottom of that Autoblog post you will see that they got that info from "Karl on Cars" blog from Edmunds—in which Karl had promped a certain Edmunds community host (me) into posting the Subie info—which Autoblog then picked up! :)

I had posted that info, and within 5 minutes I got an e-mail from Karl thanking me for doing so. They also linked to my blog entry on Straightline too—and ultimately most of my Subie info posted there came from NASIOC. It just goes to show that what goes 'round, comes 'round... Pretty funny I think. :)

Bob

All that tells me is that you should be more cautious with the veracity of the information that you disseminate on your blog. Your position with Edmunds gives you a false aura of legitimacy.

What we have here is rumor being passed on in more mainstream media outlets as though it were truth, because they believe that you have access to an accurate source of information.

That's simply irresponsible, in my opinion. Of them and of you.


Nothing personal... just my $0.02.

Actually it reads like this is where they got thier information from.

seriously. every "breaking" rumor in that article has been said here for months

All that tells me is that you should be more cautious with the veracity of the information that you disseminate on your blog. Your position with Edmunds gives you a false aura of legitimacy.

What we have here is rumor being passed on in more mainstream media outlets as though it were truth, because they believe that you have access to an accurate source of information.

That's simply irresponsible, in my opinion. Of them and of you.


Nothing personal... just my $0.02.

I agree

Well, I think if people don't pay close attention to what they're reading, then of course it can be misinterpreted to being 'accurate' and/or 'official'. It is a blog for crying out loud!

We may have known it for some time already but given the exposure it now carries, more people will know about it... isn't that the idea?!

This just in:

OMGZZ all the subarus are all-wheel-drive this year!!

This just in:

OMGZZ all the subarus are all-wheel-drive this year!!

OMG now for realz!?!?! i'm soooo getting one now!

All that tells me is that you should be more cautious with the veracity of the information that you disseminate on your blog. Your position with Edmunds gives you a false aura of legitimacy.

What we have here is rumor being passed on in more mainstream media outlets as though it were truth, because they believe that you have access to an accurate source of information.

That's simply irresponsible, in my opinion. Of them and of you.


Nothing personal... just my $0.02.

It's the nature of the beast (blogging that is).

If you read my posts carefully, I always note that if the information is not "fact," I word it accordingly, and that was the case here. Nowhere in my posting did I say it was fact. I used terms like "on the street," "rumor mongering," and so forth.

If I post something that is a fact. I will say so. If not I always leave some doubt in the wording of the blog. If readers can't pick up on that, or distinguish between the two. it's not my fault.

Bob

It's the nature of the beast (blogging that is).

If you read my posts carefully, I always note that if the information is not "fact," I word it accordingly, and that was the case here. Nowhere in my posting did I say it was fact. I used terms like "on the street," "rumor mongering," and so forth.

If I post something that is a fact. I will say so. If not I always leave some doubt in the wording of the blog. If readers can't pick up on that, or distinguish between the two. it's not my fault.

Bob

Suggestive writing pwns you :)

Ny auto show, 4 months before the car goes on sale, is the latest I ever seen a new car being unveiled. WTH?! Is subaru that confident that people like the car. What if they unveil it and people revolt at the sight of it. OH $hit the car is in production already. F-ing subaru and their secrecy will bite them in the azz, sooner or later.

Sooner or later?
http://www.autowire.net/originalpics/2002impreza.jpg
http://www.autogoda.com.ua/img/cars/2004/Subaru_Impreza.jpg
http://www.edmunds.com/media/seo/500/2006.subaru.impreza.wrx.sti.jpg
http://www.boerse-online.de/static/bilder/auto/subaru/subaru_b9_tribeca/subaru_tribeca_1_bg.jpg
been there, bit that :) You'll get used to whatever is made.

Ny auto show, 4 months before the car goes on sale, is the latest I ever seen a new car being unveiled. WTH?! Is subaru that confident that people like the car. What if they unveil it and people revolt at the sight of it. OH $hit the car is in production already. F-ing subaru and their secrecy will bite them in the azz, sooner or later.

Exactly. Its like a new movie that isn't released first to the critics before it opens to the public. 99.9% of the time the movie is a massive steamy POS. Hence, adjust your expectations accordingly...

If it was sure hit, you thinkyou would have know something about it already (SOA isn't that stupid are they???.....nevermind:rolleyes: ).

No Hype pwn3s SOA.

Exactly. Its like a new movie that isn't released first to the critics before it opens to the public. 99.9% of the time the movie is a massive steamy POS. Hence, adjust your expectations accordingly...

If it was sure hit, you thinkyou would have know something about it already (SOA isn't that stupid are they???.....nevermind:rolleyes: ).

No Hype pwn3s SOA.

What's fun is they make a HUGE deal of keeping things secret and then spend the next two (post-introduction) years explaining that sales will go up once more people know about the car.:lol: :alien: :huh: :rolleyes:

Yep......
SOA = One-legged man in a asskicking contest!

Sooner or later?
http://www.autowire.net/originalpics/2002impreza.jpg
http://www.autogoda.com.ua/img/cars/2004/Subaru_Impreza.jpg
http://www.edmunds.com/media/seo/500/2006.subaru.impreza.wrx.sti.jpg
http://www.boerse-online.de/static/bilder/auto/subaru/subaru_b9_tribeca/subaru_tribeca_1_bg.jpg
been there, bit that :) You'll get used to whatever is made.

Sooner or later?
http://www.autowire.net/originalpics/2002impreza.jpg
http://www.autogoda.com.ua/img/cars/2004/Subaru_Impreza.jpg
http://www.edmunds.com/media/seo/500/2006.subaru.impreza.wrx.sti.jpg
http://www.boerse-online.de/static/bilder/auto/subaru/subaru_b9_tribeca/subaru_tribeca_1_bg.jpg
been there, bit that :) You'll get used to whatever is made.

Not me, I still drive by 99 impreza rs waiting for more stylish looking STI. I was in the market for a car for past 2-3 years. If subaru puts out another Fugly STI, I[m not waiting anymore and probably get the new turbo 3 series beamer. The spy shot looks promising - at least not obviously disgusting.

My loyalty to subaru has been tested to its limits.

Sooner or later?

been there, bit that :) You'll get used to whatever is made.

you my friend have a beautiful point...

Ny auto show, 4 months before the car goes on sale, is the latest I ever seen a new car being unveiled. WTH?! Is subaru that confident that people like the car. What if they unveil it and people revolt at the sight of it. OH $hit the car is in production already. F-ing subaru and their secrecy will bite them in the azz, sooner or later.
A) It probably won't be unveiled at NY.
B) It probably won't be available for sale 4 months after that.

What you're taking as fact is just a bunch of unsubstantiated internet rumour.

My loyalty to subaru has been tested to its limits.

Gimme a freaking break. :rolleyes:

If the reason you are driving a '99 RS is simply because you think it is better looking than any of the GD / GG bodies, you really are missing the point. And you're missing out.

I agree that the GC is the best looking car. I had a '99 as well. Killed me to trade it in on my WRX. But the other improvements were well worth the aesthetics. Trading from the WRX to an '04 STi was a no brainer. And, in fact, I put the '04 styling up there near the GC.

Cars should not be purchased purely on looks. Adversely, cars should not be entirely written off due to looks. Unless you have done some serious work on your RS along the lines of an STI swap, etc (and you may have, what do I know), you owe it to yourself to drive an STi. Especially if you consider yourself to be "a loyalist" in the least.

I assume the next WRX will not look all that great--none of them have so far so why should the next one be any different? Give me a direct injection 260hp motor, a new beefy tranny, upgraded rotors with 4 pots, improved suspension and handling and a better interior and I'll be a happy camper who is not overly concerned with the looks or whether it has 4 or 5 doors....

What you're taking as fact is just a bunch of unsubstantiated internet rumour.
You are incorrect.

Anyone with a Subarunet login could have gotten that information.

when is the NY auto show then?

when is the NY auto show then?

Freaking APRIL. I hate waiting.

and Frankfurt isn't until September or something. :(

You are incorrect.

Anyone with a Subarunet login could have gotten that information.
Subaru's auto show schedule and model shipping dates are not published on Subarunet. Certain information can be inferred from the allocation data and included searchable model information, but only very late in the game and not in the way that you suggest.

Subaru's auto show schedule and model shipping dates are not published on Subarunet. Certain information can be inferred from the allocation data and included searchable model information, but only very late in the game and not in the way that you suggest.
:insert orly owl pic here:

Gimme a freaking break. :rolleyes:

If the reason you are driving a '99 RS is simply because you think it is better looking than any of the GD / GG bodies, you really are missing the point. And you're missing out.



In spite of the budget performance I found the new designs revolting. It's like I wouldn't have a girlfriend who in spite of great personality I find unattractive.

And I'm not even looking for a beautiful car, make it plain - econo sedan like the evo. But NO, subaru has to go out of their way to UGLY up the car.

If the new design looks like the mazda or A3 - I'm in heaven.

And you're missing out.

Not really.

You can put most of the not-really-that-much-better interior into an older chassis.

An 05+ legacy would be worth the upgrade in terms of interior/exterior aesthetics, and hopefully the 08 Imprezas can reach near that level as well.

I really can't see why people complain so much about the looks. First, IT'S NOT THAT BAD, dang look at the GTI, i think that thing is ugly. Besides, these cars (STI especially) are so much fun to drive. Judge these cars by the smile factor...so much fun to drive. So, to some, its a little bit ugly but it sure makes up for it performance...enough to win you over. Not to mention, for supposely be such an ugly car, all the compliments i get makes me feel like I'm driving a $100,000 car. Name one other car that this relatively cheap, has supercar performance, and styling so different than other cars. If you want something designed a little more conservatively designed there's an accord or cute get a vw bug... with a daisy...

Stop being a cry baby.
There were leaked scans of release dates directly from Subaru with release dates.. So everything Bobn said is valid..


All that tells me is that you should be more cautious with the veracity of the information that you disseminate on your blog. Your position with Edmunds gives you a false aura of legitimacy.

What we have here is rumor being passed on in more mainstream media outlets as though it were truth, because they believe that you have access to an accurate source of information.

That's simply irresponsible, in my opinion. Of them and of you.


Nothing personal... just my $0.02.

Exactly correct, STi unveiling..
BMW 135 is coming to states early 2008.
That STI better be amazing!!

and Frankfurt isn't until September or something. :(

I really can't see why people complain so much about the looks. First, IT'S NOT THAT BAD, dang look at the GTI, i think that thing is ugly. Besides, these cars (STI especially) are so much fun to drive. Judge these cars by the smile factor...so much fun to drive. So, to some, its a little bit ugly but it sure makes up for it performance...enough to win you over. Not to mention, for supposely be such an ugly car, all the compliments i get makes me feel like I'm driving a $100,000 car. Name one other car that this relatively cheap, has supercar performance, and styling so different than other cars. If you want something designed a little more conservatively designed there's an accord or cute get a vw bug... with a daisy...


The problem with the STI is not that it's ugly, the problem is it's juvenile.

Gimme a freaking break. :rolleyes:

If the reason you are driving a '99 RS is simply because you think it is better looking than any of the GD / GG bodies, you really are missing the point. And you're missing out.I would have purchased a new '99RS.. (or an '00RS Sedan) if I hadn't been a poor kid in college at the time. We've had Subaru wagons in our family for years, and I'd been turned onto Colin McRae in the WRC around '95... so I was eagerly awaiting the arrival of the RS... I only bought one a few years ago (a: because I'd always wanted one and happened to stumble across one while in need of a car, and (b: because I still wasn't financially ready for a WRX.

While I'm driving a '99 RS for financial reasons (vs an '06/'07 STi), I don't consider myself missing out on a thing. With the exception of the STi, Subaru hasn't made anything in the last 7 years that's made it worthwhile to go beyond a '99 RS. I can swap in the engine, transmission, suspension and interior I want for cheaper than it would cost to buy a new car... and I'd have the same thing.. just lighter and different looking. I don't consider extra airbags and more weight (for a little extra stiffness) worth the thousands I'd spend in taxes, insurance and financing.

I agree that the GC is the best looking car. I had a '99 as well. Killed me to trade it in on my WRX. But the other improvements were well worth the aesthetics. Trading from the WRX to an '04 STi was a no brainer. And, in fact, I put the '04 styling up there near the GC.I think my RS is downright dorky looking from most angles. It looks like a fun toy, and it is.. but it's awkward in every way. The greenhouse is too big.. the coupe's doors don't match up with anything and make the roof look like it's pitched forward in some bizzare clowncar impression. Lets not even get into panel gaps and paint quality. By no means is it beautiful.

I've always liked the bugeye styling, abhor the '04-'05 peanut eye/downs syndrome styling (always have, always will), and like the '06-'07 hawkeye most of all (impreza-wise)... but it's not enough.

The only thing I'm missing out on is the ability to run in STU (tire width due to narrow wheel wells) and to do 100mph down public roads at will. I can already outrun experienced drivers in STX WRXs on the right autocross course, and the car is fast enough to be scary on any of the tight windy back roads in my area (with a stock engine). I just don't see what I'm missing out on.

A new 2.5i would be a major downgrade in a lot of areas, a new WRX would be softer and either have less amenities (TR) or too many (Leather/sunroof) and an STi is in another league entirely. If it's just the STi that I'm missing out on, I'm also missing out on several new Porsches, BMWs and Ferraris... they're all beyond my budget too.

I'm really hoping that the '08 Impreza will provide the reasons to upgrade (vastly better transmission, suspension and interior)... because the GD sure didn't.

^^^ I Agree (didn't want top quote all that.) lol

I had a MY02 WRX, modded it mildly and loved the way it drove and the overall "solidity" of the chassis. The I bought a MY98 L to save some cash and realized just how mush I missed the MY99 RS.

Sold the L and now I have a MY00 swapped RS (for sale) and a MY95 swapped L sedan.

As Beaverboy said, the only car I would upgrade for now is a MY06-07 STi and it's out of my price range.

-Mike.

I was disappointed with subaru in detroit :(

I'm with mpaone and Beaverboy. (Hi guys! :lol: )

Thus, I have a Forester XT with lowered suspension. Best of all worlds. :D

Gimme a freaking break. :rolleyes:

If the reason you are driving a '99 RS is simply because you think it is better looking than any of the GD / GG bodies, you really are missing the point. And you're missing out.

I agree that the GC is the best looking car. I had a '99 as well. Killed me to trade it in on my WRX. But the other improvements were well worth the aesthetics. Trading from the WRX to an '04 STi was a no brainer. And, in fact, I put the '04 styling up there near the GC.

Cars should not be purchased purely on looks. Adversely, cars should not be entirely written off due to looks. Unless you have done some serious work on your RS along the lines of an STI swap, etc (and you may have, what do I know), you owe it to yourself to drive an STi. Especially if you consider yourself to be "a loyalist" in the least.

I've driven and STi and it's a helluva lot of fun to drive, but my car's still more fun to me. Power's not there, but it feels more lively. When you combine that with the very "meh" reaction I've had to each new look, it's a no brainer. And loyalty shouldn't be an issue when it comes to buying a car to begin with. The manufacturer couldn't care much less about who buys their cars, so why should we put energy into buying them out of loyalty?

And loyalty shouldn't be an issue when it comes to buying a car to begin with. The manufacturer couldn't care much less about who buys their cars, so why should we put energy into buying them out of loyalty?

+1, sometimes I read these "suby screwed this up so bad, but I'll keep waiting for what I want" comments and all I can think is "have you considered another brand?" Subaru is not going to make a sub 2,800lb car with 300+hp and JDM seats for the US market, EVER!

If you bleed Subaru WRB (or require AWD) then deal with what they come out with or switch brands, but forget about a new "99 RS", it's not happening. But I think Lotus may have something your interested in :devil:

+1, sometimes I read these "suby screwed this up so bad, but I'll keep waiting for what I want" comments and all I can think is "have you considered another brand?" Subaru is not going to make a sub 2,800lb car with 300+hp and JDM seats for the US market, EVER!

If you bleed Subaru WRB (or require AWD) then deal with what they come out with or switch brands, but forget about a new "99 RS", it's not happening. But I think Lotus may have something your interested in :devil:
Defeatist attitude alert!

:lol:

3 months to wait on news about the new impreza... What are the chances that they will announce at NY auto show and actually release for the 2008 model year (i.e. this year)?

We haven't really seen any definitive spyshots testing the car so this seems unlikely?

Defeatist attitude alert!

:lol:


So I've been told, I prefer realist :cool:

3 months to wait on news about the new impreza... What are the chances that they will announce at NY auto show and actually release for the 2008 model year (i.e. this year)?

We haven't really seen any definitive spyshots testing the car so this seems unlikely?
Um, it is the 2008 model they will be debuting...

There will be a few spyshots and such out before the debut. And I believe we will see a little more info here next month.

+1 for Porter's solution.. the FXTs are worth jumping ship for... or at least to another deck on the same ship, I suppose.

+1, sometimes I read these "suby screwed this up so bad, but I'll keep waiting for what I want" comments and all I can think is "have you considered another brand?" Subaru is not going to make a sub 2,800lb car with 300+hp and JDM seats for the US market, EVER! Probably not.. but I can settle for much less HP.. and 3,200lb.. as long as I can still bolt in JDM seats and still get a manual transmission with a basic mechanical AWD and the basic Subaru character.

If you bleed Subaru WRB (or require AWD) then deal with what they come out with or switch brands, but forget about a new "99 RS", it's not happening. But I think Lotus may have something your interested in :devil:I'm certainly not hoping that they'll build another 99RS.. I'm just hoping they'll make a car worth leaving one for. It won't take much.. it'll just have to be very different.

At the same time, I really want as much of the mechanicals to be the same in the spirit of new-age Subaru/Lego... It's a complex issue in my head, to say the least.

All I know is that I hope the new STi blows the doors off of the new Evo X, both in performance and looks.

Okay, so if it is "better" it probably won't be by much, but either way, I hope it at least stays right there with the Mitsu. I just love seeing those two cars go at eachother, helping to raise the bar as the years continue.

I've driven and STi and it's a helluva lot of fun to drive, but my car's still more fun to me. Power's not there, but it feels more lively. When you combine that with the very "meh" reaction I've had to each new look, it's a no brainer. And loyalty shouldn't be an issue when it comes to buying a car to begin with. The manufacturer couldn't care much less about who buys their cars, so why should we put energy into buying them out of loyalty?

Why shouldn't loyalty play a part in a car purchase? It does with everything. And, all in all, buying a car is a big deal. Loyalty (or history, at very least) should play a role, IMO.

Further more, I was referring to a guy that stated his loyalty had been tested on the basis that he thinks the cars they have been designing recently are ugly. But, purely IMO, that shouldn't be a reason to "forgo loyalty" to an otherwise superior product. If you want a Bimmer, buy a Bimmer. By all means.

Um, it is the 2008 model they will be debuting...

There will be a few spyshots and such out before the debut. And I believe we will see a little more info here next month.

If anything like the Tribeca debut, MAYBE they will launch a "sketch" a month or so prior. ;)

he thinks the cars they have been designing recently are ugly.

Trust me I'm not the only one. :rolleyes: Akward azz styling, and hey - there is an idea, make the "look at me coppers" wing OPTIONAL. YEs, yes I know it's functional - at illegal speeds.

Driven by what's inside because it's not much to look at on the outside.

All I can say about fugly Subarus is this. My '05 STI is soon going to be 3 years old, and blue booking the car (low miles) it's still worth a lot more than I ever would have imagined.

That's good enough for me, nevermind how much damn fun I have with it.

-James

Why shouldn't loyalty play a part in a car purchase? It does with everything. And, all in all, buying a car is a big deal. Loyalty (or history, at very least) should play a role, IMO.

Further more, I was referring to a guy that stated his loyalty had been tested on the basis that he thinks the cars they have been designing recently are ugly. But, purely IMO, that shouldn't be a reason to "forgo loyalty" to an otherwise superior product. If you want a Bimmer, buy a Bimmer. By all means.

We'll have to agree to disagree, as the question I ask is 'why should loyalty play a part?'. In my mind, loyalty's a 2 way street. Now, if you're judging products on their merits, that's fine. But it's also independent of loyalty. Maybe I just think of loyalty as a rather important thing and others equate it with familiarity.

All I can say about fugly Subarus is this. My '05 STI is soon going to be 3 years old, and blue booking the car (low miles) it's still worth a lot more than I ever would have imagined.

That's good enough for me, nevermind how much damn fun I have with it.

-James

All true, thery are incredible bargains for perfomance - no question, no doubt. I and many others couldn't get past the exterior, that's all. I just hope for plain looks on the 2008, nothing fancy. It ain't have to be pretty...

+1, sometimes I read these "suby screwed this up so bad, but I'll keep waiting for what I want" comments and all I can think is "have you considered another brand?" Subaru is not going to make a sub 2,800lb car with 300+hp and JDM seats for the US market, EVER!

If you bleed Subaru WRB (or require AWD) then deal with what they come out with or switch brands, but forget about a new "99 RS", it's not happening. But I think Lotus may have something your interested in :devil:

Right on. I had a '00 2.5RS, it was a fun car but without a swap, it's very limited in many ways. Doing things like engine swaps is not a consideration for me - too many headaches and too much time to mess with so I can shave a few pounds or because I like the look of the exterior better.

If I want a beautiful exterior I'll go elsewhere. If I want an all out sports car I'll go elsewhere. But for a cheap, fast, reliable, fun, AWD, practical compact wagon with a warranty, I'll go with Subaru. Subarus aren't beautiful but if you question the wisdom of Subarus products, look at where they've come from and where they're going to. Look at all the awards they've been given over the past 5 years and go to some other forum and see how often they all compare their products to Subarus.

Why shouldn't loyalty play a part in a car purchase? It does with everything. And, all in all, buying a car is a big deal. Loyalty (or history, at very least) should play a role, IMO.

Further more, I was referring to a guy that stated his loyalty had been tested on the basis that he thinks the cars they have been designing recently are ugly. But, purely IMO, that shouldn't be a reason to "forgo loyalty" to an otherwise superior product. If you want a Bimmer, buy a Bimmer. By all means.

If subaru was loyal to their AMerican base, then they would release some of those goodie cars they keep for themselves on the island. THe point is they are just out there to make money, and that's fine. But then give me something I am willing to spend money on. You already got me interested in your product, give me something I want and you'll get more of my money.

Right on. I had a '00 2.5RS, it was a fun car but without a swap, it's very limited in many ways. Doing things like engine swaps is not a consideration for me - too many headaches and too much time to mess with so I can shave a few pounds or because I like the look of the exterior better.

If I want a beautiful exterior I'll go elsewhere. If I want an all out sports car I'll go elsewhere. But for a cheap, fast, reliable, fun, AWD, practical compact wagon with a warranty, I'll go with Subaru.

Beautiful?! :lol: Forget it, I just want it to be NOT FUGLY. 06 Evo is not beautiful, it's a plain econo box looking car. That's fine b/c it's also a bargain performance BUT it's not FUGLY that's for sure. I won't go in to reasons why I didn't choose to pick one of those up, this is too much O/T as it is.

Trust me I'm not the only one. :rolleyes: Akward azz styling, and hey - there is an idea, make the "look at me coppers" wing OPTIONAL. YEs, yes I know it's functional - at illegal speeds.

Driven by what's inside because it's not much to look at on the outside.

I agree the wing should have been optional, altho given the choice at the time I don't honestly know if I would have opted-out. It's more of a heritage thing to me, I guess. But now, I am looking for someone to trade trunk lids with that wants the big wing or possibly buying a new blank trunk lid from the factory, so...

The LTD is now another option as well.

Clever editorial on the slogan, but didn't they do away with that as well?

If subaru was loyal to their AMerican base, then they would release some of those goodie cars they keep for themselves on the island. THe point is they are just out there to make money, and that's fine. But then give me something I am willing to spend money on. You already got me interested in your product, give me something I want and you'll get more of my money.

I can also see this point. Altho, I think maybe the market is just larger for the "goodies" on the island. I know I'd buy one, but that would hardly make the effort worthy.

Also, the ones over there look exactly the same as the ones here, so you'd still be disappointed...

I agree with Fuquad. If all you are looking for is styling, then Subaru has not been catering to you. I think that most of us purchased the WRX or STi/I for the mechanical parts, not the styling.

I am in marketing, and "Loyalty" as defined by marketing research over the past decade or so, does play a role in many, many purchase decsions; particularly high involvement purchase decisions like vehicle purchases. Most leading market research organizations (Gallup, Harris Interactive, etc.) have developed loyalty indicies that have proven to be highly effective predictors of consideration and hit-rate for organizations that sell consumer products.

Subaru is a niche player in the automotive industry, although they are trying to go more "mainstream" with vehicles like the new Legacies and the Tribeca. Thier core market buys cars for the mechanical portions of the cars, not for the styling.

My $.02

So are you saying Subaru can't produce a high-perfromance, STYLISH car?

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/legacytunedbysti/catalog/exterior/imgs/top.jpg

Now, that's a inside out beauty.

THAT IS WORTH WAITING FOR...not that it will ever come to US looking like this. But it does prove that subaru can put out car stylish enough to compete with bmw and audi.

So are you saying Subaru can't produce a high-perfromance, STYLISH car?

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/legacytunedbysti/catalog/exterior/imgs/top.jpg

Now, that's a inside out beauty.

THAT IS WORTH WAITING FOR...not that it will ever come to US looking like this. But it does prove that subaru can put out car stylish enough to compete with bmw and audi.

OK, so buy a Spec B and mod it (slightly, even). Wouldn't take too much. I think the only person that suggested they couldn't make a good looking car was you (or at least insinuated).

Not sure what you are trying to say in all this. First you say you're driving an RS because all the other Subarus (Imprezas, at least) have been hideous. Then you suggest they release some of the JDM-available lines here (which look exactly the same as the USDM and only differ on performance levels, but are still pretty much comparable for the most part). Then you post a pic of a car that is available in the US (aside from a few upgrades that are easily attainable after-market).

I'd say get a Bimmer. Just because it doesn't sound like you'll be happy with anything SOA does.

Wasn't trying to be venomous on the last message. I think the thing to keep in mind here is this (sorry for the cliche, but it fits):

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Physical appearance is highly subjective. You ask me, I think all Imprezas look awesome. Some more than others, yes (modification does help). But NO car manufacturer makes a car that looks exactly the way I would design it. Doesn't keep me from moving into an otherwise far superior car, though.

I hear ya, Audi and BMW can make some sweet looking cars. But if that's what you like, then you don't want a Subaru. You want those cars.

In my opinion, all of these (Imprezas, EVOs, 3-series Bimmers, A4 Audis, Legacys) ALL fall into your "econobox" classification. All have their own take on it. I just happen to like Subaru's vision, while you clearly do not.

So are you saying Subaru can't produce a high-perfromance, STYLISH car?



No, that is not what I am saying at all.

There is a reason to build different cars for different buyers. That one may appeal to you more than the current SOA offerings.

I think we understand that you do not like Subaru styling, that is fine.

I, on the other hand, don't care what it looks like as long as it has what I want mechanically.

Subaru makes different cars for different buyers. They still give the "mechanically interested" market cars like the STI and the WRX, they give the "budget/pratical/versitle minded" folks things like the Outback Sport, Impreza i, etc. Now that they have the ability to make cars like that pic, and that they have been reasonably assured that people will actually buy that type of car, they will make that one, too.

OK, so buy a Spec B and mod it (slightly, even). Wouldn't take too much. I think the only person that suggested they couldn't make a good looking car was you (or at least insinuated).

Not sure what you are trying to say in all this. First you say you're driving an RS because all the other Subarus (Imprezas, at least) have been hideous. Then you suggest they release some of the JDM-available lines here (which look exactly the same as the USDM and only differ on performance levels, but are still pretty much comparable for the most part). Then you post a pic of a car that is available in the US (aside from a few upgrades that are easily attainable after-market).

I'd say get a Bimmer. Just because it doesn't sound like you'll be happy with anything SOA does.

I am STILL driving the the RS b/c I didn't see a ANY (beyond subaru) car worth upgrading to.

I love subaru budget performance, especially the STI, but I found the styling below average in comparison to other cars, including those made by subaru itself - new legacy, old imprezas.

I am anxiously awaiting the unveiling of 2008 sti. If subaru keeps on insisting that Americans don't have a sense of style and puts out another hideous beast - you better believe that this OFFENDED potential buyer will takes his business elsewhere. 335Ci here I come...

Then you post a pic of a car that is available in the US (aside from a few upgrades that are easily attainable after-market).



:huh: Are you saying USDM GT becomes a B4 with a few upgrades that are easily attainable after-market?
Isn't that like saying my RS becomes a 22B with a few upgrades that are easily attainable after-market?

I am anxiously awaiting the unveiling of 2008 sti. If subaru keeps on insisting that Americans don't have a sense of style and puts out another hideous beast - you better believe that this OFFENDED potential buyer will takes his business elsewhere. 335Ci here I come...

Mmmm K... Enjoy. I can see this isn't going to go anywhere productive. Over and out.

:huh: Are you saying USDM GT becomes a B4 with a few upgrades that are easily attainable after-market?
Isn't that like saying my RS becomes a 22B with a few upgrades that are easily attainable after-market?

Um, no... I'm saying (EXACTLY) that a Spec B could be what an STi B4 is, or at least very close, with some modifications. Not sure if you're aware, but there ARE a significant amount of after market options available for the Legacy (just like any other Subaru). Also, they did just make the big addition of a 6-speed on the Spec B, which is a huge improvement.

The N/A RS is no where NEAR what a 22B was, so no, that is not a comparison I would make. Ever. Is the Spec B an STi? No, but it is close enough to get there fairly easily.

It may not be an official BADGED "STi LEGACY," but it could be very close. Or, if not, even better in many ways.


EDIT: This is not to say you could not also make your RS into a 22B. Maybe you should look around at what some others have done on this site alone. The upgrade path would be substantially shorter for 'Spec B to STi Leg' than 'N/A RS to 22B', though.

:huh: Are you saying USDM GT becomes a B4 with a few upgrades that are easily attainable after-market?
Isn't that like saying my RS becomes a 22B with a few upgrades that are easily attainable after-market?

Of course. JDM Legacy "tuned by STI" doesn't have more power than standard JDM GT. Has the whole accessory parts bin from STI slapped on and that's pretty much it.

USDM GT in fact is better thanks to 2.5L engine (same block as STI) - JDM Legacy has 2.0L with twinscroll turbo and out of factory makes slighly more power then ours 2.5L, but the 2.5L of course is way more potent motor.

The only issue with USDM GT is the suspension - we get the cheapo pieces that regular JDM NA Legacy gets. No Bilsteins, no aluminium control arms, links, etc. USDM SpecB has all that, plus 2007 has 6MT as mentioned above. Pretty much few bolt ons (expensive mind you, like STI trimmed seats) and voila, "Legacy tuned by STI". Well, USDM SpecB Bilsteins are the softish Bilsteins exactly same as found on JDM GT Rev.C, so for fully upgrade JDM SpecB Bilsteins are needed (more aggressively damped).

2007 USDM SpecB is a very, very nice package. Too bad the leather and navi are mandatory. Plus, no wagon :furious:

We'll see pics of the new chassis before NYAS I would guess. Also, keep this in mind (pardon self quoting here):

"To win, Subaru needs a hatch, and to run one in the WRC they have to build it for the public, too."
http://mag.subiesport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=41

Ryan Douthit, Publisher
Subiesport Magazine
http://www.subiesport.com

I really don't understand how you guys beat up on someone who thinks there was nothing really 'worth' upgrading to and still has an RS. Loyalty can only take you so far... stop kidding yourselves here; the fact is that Subaru's designs have been mediocre, at best. So much talent gets lost into making a vehicle radical to shake the feathers of the public and see what response it'll get once the vehicle's design is heading to the production table. Guess what - it's stupid for Subaru and bad for business... heck, this is not Ft. Knox we're dealing with...sometimes keeping things too much of a secret ends up back firing like it has been for several years now. Don't believe me.. count how many facelifts the Impreza has received in the last 5 years.

I for one, didn't feel it was worth 'upgrading' to the bugeye Impreza from my RS. I eventually sold it and got my wife the Outback wagon. So what if I couldn't see past bulging eyes of the WRX. Would I have liked the turbo, of course. But I like my cars to have a decent look, to say the least. If all you really think about is the mechanics of the vehicle and not the design, you're either in denial or bought the car with your eyes closed. But either way, if it makes you happy, then thats what counts. But you people who pounce on someone because they don't share your views, need a serious reality check and stop being so self-absorbed.

Liked the old Impreza a lot. Was horrified when Bugeye appeared. Now love Bugeye, and cringe every time I see peanut Impreza. Hawkeye is acceptable, but doesn't grow on me. So Bugeye ironically is my favorite. But what do I know, I drive a LGT wagon :lol:

Surely, Subaru has problems with looks of their cars. I am biased, I think they got it right with 4th gen Legacy, especially with JDM bumpers. But then many Impreza enthusiasts call it bland...

Ooops, if off-topic don't slap me.

Liked the old Impreza a lot. Was horrified when Bugeye appeared. Now love Bugeye, and cringe every time I see peanut Impreza. Hawkeye is acceptable, but doesn't grow on me. So Bugeye ironically is my favorite. But what do I know, I drive a LGT wagon :lol:

Surely, Subaru has problems with looks of their cars. I am biased, I think they got it right with 4th gen Legacy, especially with JDM bumpers. But then many Impreza enthusiasts call it bland...

Ooops, if off-topic don't slap me.

* slap *

Liked the old Impreza a lot. Was horrified when Bugeye appeared. Now love Bugeye, and cringe every time I see peanut Impreza. Hawkeye is acceptable, but doesn't grow on me. So Bugeye ironically is my favorite. But what do I know, I drive a LGT wagon :lol:

Surely, Subaru has problems with looks of their cars. I am biased, I think they got it right with 4th gen Legacy, especially with JDM bumpers. But then many Impreza enthusiasts call it bland...

Ooops, if off-topic don't slap me.

Gen 3 styling pwnes gen 4 ;)


too bad we got screwed on the power

Gen 3 styling pwnes gen 4 ;)


too bad we got screwed on the power

Agreed. Gen 4 Legacy is nice and modern, but somewhat on the bland side. Personally I still find the gen 3 looking classier.

Btw... this thread is now major OT... :lol:

Back to the main topic, if the new Impreza should debut around April/May, then we should see a disguised test car on Nurburgring pretty soon. The bugeye WRX and the current Legacy have all been spotted testing at Nurburgring before the debut, and I am a bit surprised that the new Impreza hasn't been seen there yet (even the new GTR has been testing there rather publicly).

Unless... they decided not to test there but instead in the US with that California plate as seen in those controversial "Mazda-WRX" spy pics. :lol:

:huh:

You think this:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2002/Subaru/100002713/2002.subaru.legacy.9853-E.jpg

Is better than this:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2005/Subaru/100396965/2005.subaru.legacy.30041-E.jpg
?

Now, I am a fan of the Gen 3 Legacy (I had a generation 3 Legacy/generation 2 Outback) but IMO, the Gen 4 was a huge step forward in styling.

4th gen is a step forward. However our analysis is skewed because of SOAs relentless attempts at butchering the usdm bumpers.

although the 4th gen is cleaner more elegant design, it comes off cheaper and less subaru-ish. it doesnt have that bold presence and solid look the 3rds had. this is of course purely as a result of usdm hack job SOA did on the poor car.

3rd gen jap vs 4th gen jap, yeah the 4th gen gets the nod, although the 3rd can be sexy in its own subaru way. really depends what you look for in a car.http://www.bestjapancar.com/OTHERMAKE/b4FR.JPG

3rd gen usdm vs 4th gen usdm, its a toss up. i want to like the 4th, but the bumpers really kill it for me. although as you see in the pic above, the 3rd gen usdm got shafted on the bumper aswell, atleast it fits with the rest of the car.

What they really need to do is start designing the cars from the ground up to meet the safety requirements of *all* markets, including North America. Hacking on a bumper after the fact just won't work well.

4th gen is a step forward. However our analysis is skewed because of SOAs relentless attempts at butchering the usdm bumpers.

although the 4th gen is cleaner more elegant design, it comes off cheaper and less subaru-ish. it doesnt have that bold presence and solid look the 3rds had. this is of course purely as a result of usdm hack job SOA did on the poor car.

3rd gen jap vs 4th gen jap, yeah the 4th gen gets the nod, although the 3rd can be sexy in its own subaru way. really depends what you look for in a car.http://www.bestjapancar.com/OTHERMAKE/b4FR.JPG

3rd gen usdm vs 4th gen usdm, its a toss up. i want to like the 4th, but the bumpers really kill it for me. although as you see in the pic above, the 3rd gen usdm got shafted on the bumper aswell, atleast it fits with the rest of the car.
Is it just me, or does that thing look alot like an Impala.

What they really need to do is start designing the cars from the ground up to meet the safety requirements of *all* markets, including North America. Hacking on a bumper after the fact just won't work well.

Just to clarify: The North American (actually Canadian) bumper requirement that resulted in the extended bumpers on recent Subarus has nothing to do with safety. It's all about insurance companies and the cost of repair.

:huh:

You think this:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2002/Subaru/100002713/2002.subaru.legacy.9853-E.jpg

Is better than this:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2005/Subaru/100396965/2005.subaru.legacy.30041-E.jpg
?

Now, I am a fan of the Gen 3 Legacy (I had a generation 3 Legacy/generation 2 Outback) but IMO, the Gen 4 was a huge step forward in styling.

Of course not the US version. It's a wonder SOA managed to make the whole car look cheap with those bumpers (the same goes for Gen 4 too), and diminished side molding stripe. Personally I like gen 3's overall proportion and less contemporary look, just a matter of preference.

SOA should already know that their bumper design has caused some complaints among enthusiasts. (Longer bumper doesnt have to be ugly though, some aftermarket gen 4 bumpers are extended probably more than the US version but still look awsome). The 08 bumper is an improvement, it's still extended but they managed to make it less obvious. But if longer bumpers are really needed, they should work with SOJ on a universal design for the next gen Leg to solve the issue for good.

A) It probably won't be unveiled at NY.
B) It probably won't be available for sale 4 months after that.

What you're taking as fact is just a bunch of unsubstantiated internet rumour.

Itll be avaliable this fall.

I really don't understand how you guys beat up on someone who thinks there was nothing really 'worth' upgrading to and still has an RS. Loyalty can only take you so far... stop kidding yourselves here; the fact is that Subaru's designs have been mediocre, at best. So much talent gets lost into making a vehicle radical to shake the feathers of the public and see what response it'll get once the vehicle's design is heading to the production table. Guess what - it's stupid for Subaru and bad for business... heck, this is not Ft. Knox we're dealing with...sometimes keeping things too much of a secret ends up back firing like it has been for several years now. Don't believe me.. count how many facelifts the Impreza has received in the last 5 years.

I for one, didn't feel it was worth 'upgrading' to the bugeye Impreza from my RS. I eventually sold it and got my wife the Outback wagon. So what if I couldn't see past bulging eyes of the WRX. Would I have liked the turbo, of course. But I like my cars to have a decent look, to say the least. If all you really think about is the mechanics of the vehicle and not the design, you're either in denial or bought the car with your eyes closed. But either way, if it makes you happy, then thats what counts. But you people who pounce on someone because they don't share your views, need a serious reality check and stop being so self-absorbed.

Um... the attacks for "not sharing the same views" goes two ways here. We're not attacking him, anyway. Just trying to share a different point of view, which has sparked some retaliation (for what reason, I am not sure).

I did not make the switch from L to RS to WRX to STi (and additionally an LGT about the same time as the STi) due to looks in the slightest. Each was a move to a superior car, or more specifically, what was more important to me (performance). I hated losing the looks of my GC8 RS to those of the WRX, but the performance outweighed that in my opinion (and the facts concur with that theory).

As I conceded in one of my above posts, to each his own. But I think it's asinine to shun an otherwise top-notch piece of automotive engineering, or for that matter an entire auto manufacturer, just because their designs aren't exactly your cup of tea as of late.

But I think it's asinine to shun an otherwise top-notch piece of automotive engineering, or for that matter an entire auto manufacturer, just because their designs aren't exactly your cup of tea as of late.

Really. So imagine if someone transplanted all the interior parts from the latest rally destined subaru, I mean top of the line suspension, drivetrain, brakes etc... concocted an incredible on track and off road machine and...

















































































somehow managed to make it work in this shell...
http://www.sunmanford.net/arrival_photo/Ford%20Pinto.jpg

Would you seriously drive this thing around?

Don't believe me.. count how many facelifts the Impreza has received in the last 5 years.In case you haven't noticed, all Subaru model lines (except Baja) get a new face every two model years.

What they really need to do is start designing the cars from the ground up to meet the safety requirements of *all* markets, including North America. Hacking on a bumper after the fact just won't work well.

AMEN.

That's what most other foreign makers do like Audi or BMW. Their cars don't look AKWARD in comparison of their country of origin equivalents.

I wonder why Legacy is the only Subaru with that problem. Forester and Impreza seem to be fine through out the world.

Really. So imagine if someone transplanted all the interior parts from the latest rally destined subaru, I mean top of the line suspension, drivetrain, brakes etc... concocted an incredible on track and off road machine and...

somehow managed to make it work in this shell...
http://www.sunmanford.net/arrival_photo/Ford%20Pinto.jpg

Would you seriously drive this thing around?

Again... give me a freaking break. That would never happen.

I seriously don't know what you're trying to prove here. I simply disagree with your point of view. Get over it. (Beginning to remember why I stopped coming here so often. These debates are pointless.)

I said it before, you don't like it? Buy a Bimmer. Enjoy.

PURE SEX!

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/legacytunedbysti/catalog/exterior/imgs/top.jpg

I wonder why Legacy is the only Subaru with that problem. Forester and Impreza seem to be fine through out the world.

Currently it's probably because Imprezas and Foresters are imported from Japan to North America, so in order to streamline manufacturing, they probably designed the cars to be as similar as possible for all destination markets.

On the other hand, the Legacy/Outbacks for North America are currently manufactured in North America, so they were probably designed to be as similar as possible for all destination markets (Asia, Europe,...), while the North American market was totally ignored because they have their own factories and can do whatever they want to better customize the car for the NA market.

;16746435']In case you haven't noticed, all Subaru model lines (except Baja) get a new face every two model years.
And in case you hadn't noticed, the 2 year facelifts to other Subaru models have been ever so slightly less extreme than on the Impreza. BigElm's comment is COMPLETELY valid. There is a differnce between updating a design, and almost completely re-doing the front and rear quarters (sheet metal and light wise).

In retrospect I actually quite like the 2002-3 Impreza design.

Beautiful?! :lol: Forget it, I just want it to be NOT FUGLY. 06 Evo is not beautiful, it's a plain econo box looking car. That's fine b/c it's also a bargain performance BUT it's not FUGLY that's for sure. I won't go in to reasons why I didn't choose to pick one of those up, this is too much O/T as it is.

Agreed...and you're the one leading the charge.

Subaru's...not goot for you. You need something German, overpriced, overrated but smashingly beautiful!

Really. So imagine if someone transplanted all the interior parts from the latest rally destined subaru, I mean top of the line suspension, drivetrain, brakes etc... concocted an incredible on track and off road machine and...





somehow managed to make it work in this shell...
http://www.sunmanford.net/arrival_photo/Ford%20Pinto.jpg

Would you seriously drive this thing around?

God damn right I would.

Would you ever see that comming at a stoplight?

Total sleeper.

God damn right I would.

Would you ever see that comming at a stoplight?

Total sleeper.

:lol: Imagine the looks if you did 4s 0-60 from the light.

Um... the attacks for "not sharing the same views" goes two ways here. We're not attacking him, anyway. Just trying to share a different point of view, which has sparked some retaliation (for what reason, I am not sure).

I did not make the switch from L to RS to WRX to STi (and additionally an LGT about the same time as the STi) due to looks in the slightest. Each was a move to a superior car, or more specifically, what was more important to me (performance). I hated losing the looks of my GC8 RS to those of the WRX, but the performance outweighed that in my opinion (and the facts concur with that theory).

As I conceded in one of my above posts, to each his own. But I think it's asinine to shun an otherwise top-notch piece of automotive engineering, or for that matter an entire auto manufacturer, just because their designs aren't exactly your cup of tea as of late.

Hell, I agreed to disagree. Although, the go buy a Bimmer line did sound a little bit snotty. ;)

And if we're still agreeing to disagree, you can't separate the engineering under the hood from the skin that covers it. The phrase lipstick on a pig comes to mind, though it's not applicable since the lipstick is inside of the pig in this instance. At any rate, when you start putting lipstick and pigs together, the end result is never going to deliver.

Hell, I agreed to disagree. Although, the go buy a Bimmer line did sound a little bit snotty. ;)

I only said that because he said he was going to go buy a BMW if Subaru did not design their next line to his liking. And, as I also said, if you like the Bimmer's look, you probably won't like the way Subarus look. (Altho, I like pretty much all sport compact sedans, etc.) It's just a difference of style / opinion.

For the record, I am a designer. Not an automotive designer, nor do I claim to be an expert in auto design. But I certainly have an eye for what looks good. I will concede that Subarus are somewhat homely and are an acquired taste to some. But it is that "homely-ness" that makes them what they are and, IMO, cool / attractive. And they still attract new customers all the time with their "ugly vehicles."

As I also mentioned, there isn't a car manufactured by any company (that I could afford, at least) that is designed 100% to my specs. I will always tweak the look of any car (wheels, springs, body additions / subtractions, clearing headlights, etc, etc, etc) that I own.

Lipstick on a pig? I can see your point. But IMO that isn't what is happening here (yet). Nor are any of the next Imprezas going to look like a Pinto. Just isn't going to happen. Will they design a new car that EVERYONE UNDER THE SUN WILL INSTANTLY LOVE THE LOOKS OF? No chance in hell. But I can almost guarantee it won't ever get THAT bad. And the majority of people will really like what ever they release.

I will also say this: I was one of the many people that threw a huge fit when the MY04's were unveiled and they only changed the front end. I could be quoted as saying that I would "not trade in my MY02 WRX for an MY04 WRX," because there just wasn't enough change to warrant it. There was, however, enough to warrant me trading it in for an MY04 STi. So I did. But will I get an MY07 STi? Hell no. The next thing they release should be a complete redesign (or at very least, a similar jump from The GC8 to the GDA). If not, though, I have no problems with the way my car looks and will be happy to mod the piss out of it and hold on to it until they come out with something *really* new / cool.

THIS is loyalty in my opinion. And it most certainly is not settling.

All I know is that I hope the new STi blows the doors off of the new Evo X, both in performance and looks.

Okay, so if it is "better" it probably won't be by much, but either way, I hope it at least stays right there with the Mitsu. I just love seeing those two cars go at eachother, helping to raise the bar as the years continue.

I don't know if that's going to happen. That EVO X has some serious technology, stuff that people knew was coming because of sourcing etc. What has anyone heard about the new STi other than that it will be a whole new chasis, and probably lose some of its aluminum parts for steel....

Subaru has never been that open to letting the cat out of the bag, but back in the day we knew the wrx was coming, later we knew the STi was coming... If Subaru had an EVO X killer up their sleeves, I don't know how theyve kept it under such tight wraps.

Points aside, both brands are leaving the whole "its a rally car for the road" branding with each update.

I don't know if that's going to happen. That EVO X has some serious technology, stuff that people knew was coming because of sourcing etc. What has anyone heard about the new STi other than that it will be a whole new chasis, and probably lose some of its aluminum parts for steel....

Subaru has never been that open to letting the cat out of the bag, but back in the day we knew the wrx was coming, later we knew the STi was coming... If Subaru had an EVO X killer up their sleeves, I don't know how theyve kept it under such tight wraps.

Points aside, both brands are leaving the whole "its a rally car for the road" branding with each update.

My guess is nothing new will come out of Subaru this year. Nothing of consequence, anyway. I think they are taking their time to make sure what the do release will slaughter the competition and everyone's expectations. That's just my guess, though.

Subaru has never been that open to letting the cat out of the bag, but back in the day we knew the wrx was coming, later we knew the STi was coming...

Well, in THIS day, we know that the WRX is coming in April and the STI in September...


If Subaru had an EVO X killer up their sleeves, I don't know how theyve kept it under such tight wraps.

They did a pretty good job of it with the '04 STI. The 300hp rumor did not surface until a day or two before the launch and even then people were shocked.

Although, I have to admit the spy shots of the upcoming Impreza don't look too promising. If I wanted a hot hatch, I'd buy a GTI (and an extended warrantee :lol:)

But it is that "homely-ness" that makes them what they are and, IMO, cool / attractive. And they still attract new customers all the time with their "ugly vehicles."This is the way it's always been with Subaru, since its earliest days.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~superpom/oldsite/images/flyier.jpg

Maybe all they need to do is substitute FAST for CHEAP, a picture of the new Impreza for the 360, and 0-60 time for the fuel economy and they'd have a retro advertising campaign for the new Impreza. :)

Well, in THIS day, we know that the WRX is coming in April and the STI in September...

We DO know this?? How??!

;16767276']This is the way it's always been with Subaru, since its earliest days.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~superpom/oldsite/images/flyier.jpg

Maybe all they need to do is substitute FAST for CHEAP, a picture of the new Impreza for the 360, and 0-60 time for the fuel economy and they'd have a retro advertising campaign for the new Impreza. :)

w3rd. Exactly.

My guess is nothing new will come out of Subaru this year. Nothing of consequence, anyway. I think they are taking their time to make sure what the do release will slaughter the competition and everyone's expectations. That's just my guess, though.
What??? This is the biggest year for Subaru in a looooong time... Everything but the Forester has changes coming, and there still could still possibly be something like a limited edition Forester for '08...

What??? This is the biggest year for Subaru in a looooong time... Everything but the Forester has changes coming, and there still could still possibly be something like a limited edition Forester for '08...

Like I said above... how do we KNOW this? Not trying to sound like a smart ass, I just wanna know! Me excited! I haven't seen anything concrete to back this.

Like I said above... how do we KNOW this? Not trying to sound like a smart ass, I just wanna know! Me excited! I haven't seen anything concrete to back this.

Well, there is this:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/124875680-L.gif

Now, it's not confirmed that it is official (and it's even got a typo - see the STI "On-Sale" date) but the Legacy/Outback facelift introduction was correct.

Well, there is this:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/124875680-L.gif

Now, it's not confirmed that it is official (and it's even got a typo - see the STI "On-Sale" date) but the Legacy/Outback facelift introduction was correct.

OK (just being a skeptic) but where is THIS little gem from? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person that this is news to...

We DO know this?? How??!He was speaking of auto show debuts and we know this because of:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1052811

OK (just being a skeptic) but where is THIS little gem from? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person that this is news to...

Take a look at the thread Jon posted a link to. That graphic was posted last summer and discussed for a while before it disappeared. Some of us saved the image though and it has resurfaced since.

As far as I know there was no real confirmation that it is accurate, but Bob was asked by SOA to remove it which does lend it some credence.

Very interesting guys. VERY. Keeping my hopes up now (even though I can't buy a new one for a while anyway). Just anxious.

Here's an alternative perspective for fleet buyers. I guess if you buy in bulk you can get to the head of the queue for delivery.

http://www.donlen.com/buildstart_subaru.asp

Well, there is this:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/124875680-L.gif

Now, it's not confirmed that it is official (and it's even got a typo - see the STI "On-Sale" date) but the Legacy/Outback facelift introduction was correct.

I think there is a mistake with the new STI on sale date. The onsale date is listed as Jan 07, but I think its meant to be Jan 08.

how do we KNOW this?
I dont really care if anyone else knows it, I just know I know it and thats all that matters :p

I think there is a mistake with the new STI on sale date. The onsale date is listed as Jan 07, but I think its meant to be Jan 08.

Everyone expcets "WRX STI" when they say STI? IMHO that could mean a number of different "all new" introductions..Forester STI, Legacy STI...or WRX STI. FWIW.

Ryan

I think there is a mistake with the new STI on sale date. The onsale date is listed as Jan 07, but I think its meant to be Jan 08.

Hence this in the original post:

(and it's even got a typo - see the STI "On-Sale" date)

;)

Everyone expcets "WRX STI" when they say STI? IMHO that could mean a number of different "all new" introductions..Forester STI, Legacy STI...or WRX STI. FWIW.

RyanYeah, in theory, it could. But when the rollout schedule calls for Impreza/WRX on one line and STI on the next and given there have no STIs in the US other than the Impreza WRX STI, I think it's a safe assumption that the STI in question is a Subaru Impreza WRX STI. This was, afterall, part of a newsletter directed by an SOA region to its dealers.

Well, there is this:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/124875680-L.gif

Now, it's not confirmed that it is official (and it's even got a typo - see the STI "On-Sale" date) but the Legacy/Outback facelift introduction was correct.OMG, you've doomed this thread to oblivion by posting that image. It already happened to one of my threads last year.

At any rate, when you start putting lipstick and pigs together, the end result is never going to deliver.

Oh, I don't know... it worked for the Muppets. :lol:

;16768433']OMG, you've doomed this thread to oblivion by posting that image. It already happened to one of my threads last year.

yep IBTL

OK (just being a skeptic) but where is THIS little gem from? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person that this is news to...

It was leaked from SOA or FHI last summer. My guess is SOA. It appeared here, which is where I got it from, and then posted it over on Edmunds. Within a 1/2 hour of my posting, I got an e-mail from someone I know who is high up at SOA asking me to please remove it, which I did. It was also yanked from NASIOC too.

Keep in mind those dates are now at least 6 months old and are "tentative." Even so, it gives you a pretty good idea of what to expect.

Bob

Well if this thing accurately predicted the legacy facelift, it does lend it some credence. Are you sure you guys have seen this last year or did someone just type this up on the computer and scanned to make seem more legit, right after the Detroit show.

NY auto show totally makes sense... that's where the new legacy was introduced - I was there!

The STI comes kind of late....SOP Sep 07 and sale Jan 08... but I guess better late than never.

Well if this thing accurately predicted the legacy facelift, it does lend it some credence. Are you sure you guys have seen this last year or did someone just type this up on the computer and scanned to make seem more legit, right after the Detroit show.


We definitely saw it and discussed it last summer. I saved that file to my hard drive on July 25th.

Are you sure you guys have seen this last year
Seriously, this is getting annoying...

Yes, we saw it last year.

;16768230']Yeah, in theory, it could. But when the rollout schedule calls for Impreza/WRX on one line and STI on the next and given there have no STIs in the US other than the Impreza WRX STI, I think it's a safe assumption that the STI in question is a Subaru Impreza WRX STI. This was, afterall, part of a newsletter directed by an SOA region to its dealers.

Yes, but while we're just speculating anyhow... :D

Seriously, this is getting annoying...

Yes, we saw it last year.

Easy, man. Some of us don't spend as much time on the boards and just wanted a little confirmation.

There is a dealer meeting on the 2008 model year vehicles this week and my salesman says he should have more info to share next week.

Ed

We definitely saw it and discussed it last summer. I saved that file to my hard drive on July 25th.

Good enough for me! Most people were suspecting the New York show for Impreza unveiling anyway since the new legacy was introduced there. It is also the only major show before the cars go on sale. I estimate 90% probability for NY auto show unveiling.

I have a feeling subaru has something special planned too. They had plenty of time to engineer a new rocket..

I'm sure it will make me wish I had waited on the '08 STi now that I have bought a spec.b

IM going to go to the show when it comes to D.C. What if it is a Subaru version of the Prodrive P2.

IM going to go to the show when it comes to D.C. What if it is a Subaru version of the Prodrive P2.A kei car based 2 seater? Dream on.

:( I'm not going to say it wouldn't be sweet.

then it will be a gajillion dollars

Prodrive said 40-70 grand if went into production. When the car was shown at Autosport 2006. I would think Subaru could lower those prices further more.

lol, subaru would never release that car. Their crash ratings are their bragging rights..you think the p2 had any of that in mind while being developed?

Well, in THIS day, we know that the WRX is coming in April and the STI in September...


If you're talking about the '08 you're more than likely wrong.