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Subaru Canada Debuts New 2008 Legacy and Outback at Canadian International Auto Show in Toronto

Legacy Wagon Now Exclusive to Canada in North America

MISSISSAUGA, ONTARIO--(CCNMatthews - Feb. 14, 2007) - Subaru Canada, Inc. (SCI) today unveiled the new 2008 Legacy 2.5GT Wagon, Legacy 2.5GT spec.B Sedan and 2008 Outback 3.0R at the Canadian International Auto Show in Toronto. The Legacy and Outback lineups each receive distinctive new styling cues that differentiate the sophisticated Legacy from the rugged Outback. In addition to the new sheet metal, performance of several new models will be enhanced with a new, second-generation 5-speed electronic automatic transmission with blipping control that matches engine speed while downshifting and features steering-wheel mounted paddle shifters on 2.5GT Legacy models.

Outside, the 2008 Legacy's stylish new look includes a new front grille with chrome crossbars, new front-end sheet metal, and new head lamps and tail lamps combined with new front and rear bumpers that conveys a refined, contemporary new look. In addition, Subaru has added even more value to the Legacy lineup with a redesigned instrument panel, new interior fabrics, and new standard equipment that now includes a telescopic steering wheel.

The new 2008 Outback is distinguished from Legacy by a larger and more upright chrome front grille with a revised front fascia and redesigned fenders and hood for a bolder and more rugged appearance. The new Outback also features new wheels for the 2.5XT and 3.0R 6-cylinder models.

"Subaru Canada is delighted to continue to offer the Legacy Wagon to Canadian customers, in spite of the fact that it will no longer be offered in the U.S.," said Katsuhiro Yokoyama, president, chairman and CEO of SCI. "Canadians have always favoured the convenience, utility and good looks of our wagon models, and Subaru will continue to ensure that our model lineup supports the unique needs and choices of our Canadian customers."

All Outback 3.0R models will now be equipped with Subaru's advanced Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC) stability and traction system, as well as SI-DRIVE that allows the driver to maximize engine performance, control and fuel efficiency by choosing from three selectable modes - Intelligent, Sport, and Sport Sharp. In fact, VDC is now standard on a wide range of Legacy and Outback models, including Legacy 2.5i Limited Sedan and 2.5GT Sedan, Legacy spec.B Sedan and the Outback 2.5i Limited and 2.5XT, as well as the 3.0R models.

Every Subaru is also built to the highest levels of passive safety. Legacy has garnered the highest award from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) - "Top Safety Pick" - in the mid car segment, thanks to its light but strong Ring Frame Reinforced structure. In addition, both Legacy and Outback received 5-star ratings for the driver and front passenger and rear passengers in the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) crash tests.

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Misleading subject line FTL. :(

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Misleading subject line FTL. :(

Jon does that on purpose... he likes to bend words to cause drama.

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Misleading subject line FTL. :(

Agreed. :mad:

Can they get a GT wagon with a manual?

John, very intentionally misleading of you.

I'm shocked. Shocked.

-Allen

wow....

I don't see how this is misleading ... unless the subject has changed since he posted, as of yet we haven't seen the 08 specb in the states and any of the auto shows yet.

I don't see how this is misleading ... unless the subject has changed since he posted, as of yet we haven't seen the 08 specb in the states and any of the auto shows yet.


His title suggests that such specB is a wagon.
No specB wagons for you Canadanians either! :banana:

His title suggests that such specB is a wagon.
No specB wagons for you Canadanians either! :banana:
I thought they were Canadananananians?

His title suggests that such specB is a wagon.
No specB wagons for you Canadanians either! :banana:
... I can see the punctuation .... anywho

His title suggests that such specB is a wagon.


:confused: :huh: Que?!?1?!!?!11??!?!

It most certainly does not.

:confused: :huh: Que?!?1?!!?!11??!?!

It most certainly does not.

It did before the edit.

:confused: :huh: Que?!?1?!!?!11??!?!

It most certainly does not.

Here's a thought: Maybe a helpful Mod changed the title.:)

Even before the title was changed, I understood it.

Even before the title was changed, I understood it.

Shut up, WillieWhacker.

she's got freckles on her but she is nice

No pics = this thread sucks

here are pics. dam i wish we had the GT wagon, so dam sexy. jump the border to get one?

Spec B
http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/thumbs/lrg-2060-07torontoshow_pw_006-2060.jpg

GT wagon
http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/thumbs/lrg-2122-dsc_0153-2122.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/thumbs/lrg-2059-07torontoshow_pw_005-2059.jpg

Outback
http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/thumbs/lrg-2058-07torontoshow_pw_004-2058.jpg

sweet! See? there IS a LGT Wagon for 2008!

here are pics. dam i wish we had the GT wagon, so dam sexy. jump the border to get one?


You can, but it'll cost you a substantial premium--mid-30s at least IIRC. :(

Uhuh, just not in the US.

here are pics. dam i wish we had the GT wagon, so dam sexy. jump the border to get one?


GT wagon
http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/thumbs/lrg-2122-dsc_0153-2122.jpg


And no pics of the rear end. I wonder Canada get the updated JDM/EDM rearend with chrome strip or the current (old) style rearend which is carried over into 2008 USDM FrankenOutback.

You can, but it'll cost you a substantial premium--mid-30s at least IIRC. :(It'll cost him less than it costs the Canadians who buy it since he can avoid the Federal and provincial GST.

Uhuh, just not in the US.

He's from Canada.

Bob

I dont like those foglight silver surround thingies.

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The 2008 Legacy 2.5GT Wagon

http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/images/toronto_auto_show/2007_subaru_legacy_wagon/07torontoshow_pw_005-2059.jpg

http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/images/toronto_auto_show/2007_subaru_legacy_wagon/dsc_0193-2231.jpg

http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/images/toronto_auto_show/2007_subaru_legacy_wagon/dsc_0192-2230.jpg

http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/images/toronto_auto_show/2007_subaru_legacy_wagon/dsc_0153-2122.jpg

The 2008 Legacy 2.5GT spec.B

http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/images/toronto_auto_show/2007_subaru_legacy_spec.b/07torontoshow_pw_006-2060.jpg

New spec.B wheels. Nice.

Don't tell me they can have LGT wagon with stick in Canada for '08. :furious:

And no pics of the rear end. I wonder Canada get the updated JDM/EDM rearend with chrome strip or the current (old) style rearend which is carried over into 2008 USDM FrankenOutback.The only shot, so far, of the rear end is this one, with the 2008 Outback in the foreground, then the Legacy 2.5GT wagon, and in the background is the spec.B.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/images/toronto_auto_show/2007_subaru_legacy_outback/dsc_0151-2121.jpg

Juding by the longish rear bumper, the rearend will stay the same, except partially cleared rear tails. Makes sense, since Outback has that. Too bad, because new rear end on JDM is pretty sexy.


Btw, just a little reminder - please let SOA know you would like to see the wagon back in the US. Here is the thread (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1131675)I started about this a while ago (mods, forgive crosslink, but I think it's very relevant given the news from Canada).

;17058261']The only shot, so far, of the rear end is this one, with the 2008 Outback in the foreground, then the Legacy 2.5GT wagon, and in the background is the spec.B.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/images/toronto_auto_show/2007_subaru_legacy_outback/dsc_0151-2121.jpg

The Outback's rear bumper looks the same as what we will be getting for 08, at least from this angle. I'd doubt Canada is getting bumpers any different from US - cars for both markets are built in IN, USA anyway.

No mention of Outback sedan. Is it officially axed in its Canadian stronghold, as well as in the US?

The Outback's rear bumper looks the same as what we will be getting for 08, at least from this angle. I'd doubt Canada is getting bumpers any different from US - cars for both markets are built in IN, USA anyway.

JDM Outback has a rear shelf as well. http://www.subaru.co.jp/square/gallery/kabegami/legacy/imgs/46_1.jpg

The new spec B wheels are less than stellar. I mush prefer the regular Legacy rims.

The new spec B wheels are less than stellar. I mush prefer the regular Legacy rims.

but boy, do I like the new front end treatment. The creases really do make the sexorz.

It's no JDM or EDM, but it's still better than what we've had here the past few yrs, so I don't know why current legacy owners say it's fugly.

I am waiting for the US release to see if its worth it dollar wise, because I've been waiting for the new front end. I love how the headlights crease into the fenders and bumper....and I do like the wheels, just not the bright, shiny finish.

Yeah, that'll be my first mod regardless of whether I get an '07 or '08. I really don't like silver around the fogs, it looks tacky, it would look better on a more aggressively styled car, but not for the legacy.

This sucks, BOOOOOOOOOOOO to SOA for discontinuing a the car I was looking forward to buying in about a year or so.

Yeah, that'll be my first mod regardless of whether I get an '07 or '08. I really don't like silver around the fogs, it looks tacky, it would look better on a more aggressively styled car, but not for the legacy.

07 doesn't have silver housings.

They look nice, although I agree the silver foglight housings are ugly.

It looks like a Legacy station wagon not very impressive

07 doesn't have silver housings.

I'm talking about wheels.

The front headlight and grill (spec B) look really close to what the new STi is going to look like. :)

Subaru Canada, Inc. has updated their Legacy microsite with 2008 information.
http://www.subarulegacy.ca/english.htm

Is the SOC site screwed up or does my pc at work just not have the proper plug-ins? I can only see some of the images and no text. Guess its a flash-issue.

I think it requires a relatively recent version of Adobe Flash player.

The Legacy wagon is not using the Outback bumper. The '08 Outback bumper has the wheel flares integrated into them, front and rear.

Maybe they got the JDM wagon bumper?

Interesting that they quoted the wagon comment. Has there been any mention about the manual in the wagon?

Peace,

Greg

JDM Spec B looks much better.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/darknightohio/SpecB.jpg

vs

http://www.canadiandriver.com/galleries/2007autoshows/images/toronto_auto_show/2007_subaru_legacy_spec.b/07torontoshow_pw_006-2060.jpg

^change the grill and the fog lights. Normal people cant tell the difference.

No mention of Outback sedan. Is it officially axed in its Canadian stronghold, as well as in the US?

I dont think the Outback Sedan has been available in Canada for a while....a loooooong while

I'm glad to see the LGT Wagon tho! Hopefully it comes in manual. For some reason, in Canada, the LGT Ltd Wagon (most expensive one) came with a 5mt...whereas the normal LGT did not.... :huh:

Then again...the prices are so screwed up here, that the LGT LTD Wagon is around $50K CAD...plus taxes! :furious:

;17061634']Subaru Canada, Inc. has updated their Legacy microsite with 2008 information.
http://www.subarulegacy.ca/english.htm

And the Outback microsite as well.

http://www.subaruoutback.ca/english.htm

I dont think the Outback Sedan has been available in Canada for a while....a loooooong while

I'm glad to see the LGT Wagon tho! Hopefully it comes in manual. For some reason, in Canada, the LGT Ltd Wagon (most expensive one) came with a 5mt...whereas the normal LGT did not.... :huh:

Then again...the prices are so screwed up here, that the LGT LTD Wagon is around $50K CAD...plus taxes! :furious:


$41,795 + tax. But it still sucks.

$41,795 + tax. But it still sucks.

What is the real pre-tax price people in Canada are paying?

You know what? I'm sorry, if it's just me, I'll shut up but I come on here to read about North AMERICAN Impreza news, not news about cars in other countries that I can't get here! There are plenty of other boards that you can discuss other countries until you're blue in the face, but these are the NORTH AMERICAN Impreza forums.

It just makes me unhappy to read about cars I'll never see.

^What continent do you think Canada is on?!

^^ :lol: We need the old NASIOC logo back with the map of North America on it, for people who failed elementary school geography.

Don't tell me they can have LGT wagon with stick in Canada for '08. :furious:

Yes, I believe so. Canadians like manual transmissions and wagons a lot more than Americans do. Plus Subaru is charging a lot more for the car, which they could not get away wih in the US.

Yes, I believe so. Canadians like manual transmissions and wagons a lot more than Americans do. Plus Subaru is charging a lot more for the car, which they could not get away wih in the US.

As if SOA even tried :mad:

What is the real pre-tax price people in Canada are paying?


I have the same question. We know importing a Subaru from US into Canada works; it's interesting to see what are the figures for re-importing the US - built car back into US from Canada. I'll bill SOA for the balance of last year's US LGT cost :D

You know what? I'm sorry, if it's just me, I'll shut up but I come on here to read about North AMERICAN Impreza news, not news about cars in other countries that I can't get here! There are plenty of other boards that you can discuss other countries until you're blue in the face, but these are the NORTH AMERICAN Impreza forums.

It just makes me unhappy to read about cars I'll never see.

Quoted for sheer idiocy.:lol: :D

Yes, I believe so. Canadians like manual transmissions and wagons a lot more than Americans do. Plus Subaru is charging a lot more for the car, which they could not get away wih in the US.

Does not hurt to ask same thing again then : how are they able to sell more expensive car to canadians ??? TELL US YOUR SECRET !!!

You know what? I'm sorry, if it's just me, I'll shut up but I come on here to read about North AMERICAN Impreza news, not news about cars in other countries that I can't get here! There are plenty of other boards that you can discuss other countries until you're blue in the face, but these are the NORTH AMERICAN Impreza forums.

It just makes me unhappy to read about cars I'll never see.

What a 'tard. :rolleyes:

:lol:

What a 'tard. :rolleyes:

:lol:

I guess it's just me...

:(

sweet! See? there IS a LGT Wagon for 2008!

Yep! I called this two weeks ago on the "My dealership told me" thread and got heckled.

:banana:

What is the real pre-tax price people in Canada are paying?

i would like to know also. o and $42000 canadian is about $35000 US.

What is the real pre-tax price people in Canada are paying?

$41,795

Canadian Subaru dealers really don't budge alot in negotiations. I think they are under the impression and trying to sell the image in Canada that the LGT is on parity with 3 series, G35, A4 etc in the entry lux market...

Unless you get wait until the next year models come out. Willing to go down a couple thousand. Invoice is $36,500 ish for 2006 LGT sedan IIRC. LGT wagon MSRP is $1500 more the the sedan.

$41,795

Canadian Subaru dealers really don't budge alot in negotiations. I think they are under the impression and trying to sell the image in Canada that the LGT is on parity with 3 series, G35, A4 etc in the entry lux market...

Unless you get wait until the next year models come out. Willing to go down a couple thousand. Invoice is $36,500 ish for 2006 LGT sedan IIRC. LGT wagon MSRP is $1500 more the the sedan.

I agree, prices are not very negotiables here in Canada.
Subaru of Canada's pricing policy makes me :furious:
My next car might not be a Subaru... Other car manufacturers are more competitive regarding canadian prices (ex: Mazda or Acura).

Back to topic...
I paid 1500$ below MRSP back in july 2004 for my 2005 LGT ltd wagon, which is a VERY good price I think.
This was my third car from this dealer and I had refered many new Subaru buyers to him.

Actually, when my dad bought his Legacy, the total came to $34,000, but he negotiated it down $4,000 to $30,000, but that was probably just the dealer...

And Subaru's pricing here sucks!! The WRX STI is $50,000 without tax!

Actually, when my dad bought his Legacy, the total came to $34,000, but he negotiated it down $4,000 to $30,000, but that was probably just the dealer...

And Subaru's pricing here sucks!! The WRX STI is $50,000 without tax!


Yeah, $48,995 sucks.

Its a $12,000 jump over the WRX, which is the big reason I drive a WRX.

That and I was far too impatient to save for an STI.

Actually, when my dad bought his Legacy, the total came to $34,000, but he negotiated it down $4,000 to $30,000, but that was probably just the dealer...

And Subaru's pricing here sucks!! The WRX STI is $50,000 without tax!

$34k Legacy is most likely a 2.5i. I think chepeast BL LGT sold in Canada was the cloth interior verison for $36K MSRP.

I'm acutally looking at buying a new Legacy and have been actively looking the past couple of weeks. The best deal I've gotten so far is $36k about 4k off MSRP for a 2006 LGT 5MT with 50 km on the odo. Otherwise even on the soon to be replaced 2007's best deal managed to knock off $1500 from three dealers.

Anyways, I'll probably end up buying from the US at this rate.

Importing a car from Canada into the US is not too hard as long as it meets US safety and emissions standards. AFAIK all recent Subies do.

Does not hurt to ask same thing again then : how are they able to sell more expensive car to canadians ??? TELL US YOUR SECRET !!!

I really don't know, and I grew up in Canada. Perhpas Subaru is considered a more upscale brand there? You certainly don't see as many on the roads as you would expect given the weather; far fewer than New England for example. FWD + snow tires is more common than AWD and works just fine for most people.

Someone already mentioned it but those silver foglight bezels are very ugly. I don't see that styling cue anywhere else on the cars. Love the Spec B wheels though!!

Importing a car from Canada into the US is not too hard as long as it meets US safety and emissions standards. AFAIK all recent Subies do.

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I did....and it was quite an easy process...and it saved me literally $10K off the Canadian MSRP :eek:

:confused: I don't get this obsession with legacy wagon. IF you drop the outback 1-2 inches you essentially have the legacy wagon with some stylistic differences and essentially same drivetrain.

What's wrong with the outback anyway? Is the ground clearance?

:confused: I don't get this obsession with legacy wagon. IF you drop the outback 1-2 inches you essentially have the legacy wagon with some stylistic differences and essentially same drivetrain.

What's wrong with the outback anyway? Is the ground clearance?

So you work in SOA....

I did....and it was quite an easy process...and it saved me literally $10K off the Canadian MSRP :eek:

FROM Canada to US ? or from US TO Canada ?

^^He went US >> Canada, which is also fairly easy.

:confused: I don't get this obsession with legacy wagon. IF you drop the outback 1-2 inches you essentially have the legacy wagon with some stylistic differences and essentially same drivetrain.

What's wrong with the outback anyway? Is the ground clearance?

The handling is worse than the Legacy because of the raised suspension. (I have driven them back-to-back several times.) Yes, you can lower an Outback but then you are looking at significant extra cost, warranty issues, and possibly messing up the suspension geometry.

The Outback also has a smaller rear sway bar (I think), smaller brakes, and I think that's it..

Does not hurt to ask same thing again then : how are they able to sell more expensive car to canadians ??? TELL US YOUR SECRET !!!
The answer has been pointed out several times. In the last 3-4 years the Canadian dollar has gone from $.65US to $.85US (Approx., it's actually gone up to almost $.91US, and was as low as $.63US). Relatively speaking SOC has not put thier prices up, it is the currency change that has. Based on a $.64US dollar the Canadian GT Wagon would be $31,960 US. Based on the worst case currency differences ($.91US, and was as low as $.63US), the US price would be $28,935.

I do not have much sympathy for SOC, but you can hardly expect them to price cars month to month (or even year to year) on the US exchange rate. How do you think it would affect used car prices (and lease residuals) if SOC was to drop all thier current prices by 30 - 40%??? It just doesn't work. 3 years ago people on this board were whining about how much cheaper cars were in Canada, and I believe there were even some court cases. Now the shoe is on the other foot, and I'm sure it will swing back to the first foot evetually.

There is no magic or secret, it is simply currency!

That being said, SOC did drop the ball on the pricing of the turbo Legacys/Outbacks. These cars didn't go on sale until after the US dollar made it's big dump, and should have been priced more accordingly. Especially given all the projections that the US dollar would continue to slide. I suppose the only problem was that they didn't want to price the turbo Legacies too close to the turbo Imprezas... catch 22.

One thing is clear though. If I were to replace our current two non-turbo Subarus with equavalent models, they would cost me about $1000 LESS than I paid for them in 2000 and 2002. Of course SOC would be paying about 30-40% less for the Legacy, and about the same for the Impreza (since the CAN$ has been fairly stable against the yen in this time period). So SOC is making a KILLING on Legacys these days.

It's actually quite amusing in a way. If SOC was pricing based on currency changes the Legacy GT would be cheaper than the WRX!

^^He went US >> Canada, which is also fairly easy.



The handling is worse than the Legacy because of the raised suspension. (I have driven them back-to-back several times.) Yes, you can lower an Outback but then you are looking at significant extra cost, warranty issues, and possibly messing up the suspension geometry.

See I think the turbo version of the Outback should have been (or should be)the SPORT version with lower clearance, beefier suspension and brakes. That would eliminate the need for legacy wagon.

BTW, hatchbacks handle even better than wagons :D

www.subarulegacy.ca has nothing about the 3.0R!! Plus the silver fog light bezels are fugly...

:confused: I don't get this obsession with legacy wagon. IF you drop the outback 1-2 inches you essentially have the legacy wagon with some stylistic differences and essentially same drivetrain.

What's wrong with the outback anyway? Is the ground clearance?

Here what's wrong:

1. Foremost, suspension which handles like GARBAGE and "comfort" causing SEASICKNESS - there is no good aftermarket alternative, because of the body lift; some Legacy struts/coilovers fit but send the geometry out of whack.

2. SMALLER brakes than on LGT. Why the heck SOA would put SMALLER brakes on a HEAVIER car with worse suspension?

3. CRAPPY plastic body cladding - estetics aside - it's plain inconvenient - dirt and crap gets between the body panels and the plastic crap.

4. GUMBALL tires. Like RE92 wasn't enough of an insult.

5. The rear sway bar is also smaller but it's a non-issue, since LGT's one is undersized as well. To make it understeer friendly SOA downsized the bar from 20mm on JDM Legacy to 17mm.

And don't start me on style. It's subjective, of course. To me single color 2005-2007 Outbacks are passable although they lack Legacy's class. 2008 Outback is plain disaster with the Buick Redezvous like chrome grille. So fugly it's unbelievable.

Legacy says "class" and caters to people who does not need to show off. Outback is the opposite.

Here what's wrong:

1. Foremost, suspension which handles like GARBAGE and "comfort" causing SEASICKNESS - there is no good aftermarket alternative, because of the body lift; some Legacy struts/coilovers fit but send the geometry out of whack.

2. SMALLER brakes than on LGT. Why the heck SOA would put SMALLER brakes on a HEAVIER car with worse suspension?

3. CRAPPY plastic body cladding - estetics aside - it's plain inconvenient - dirt and crap gets between the body panels and the plastic crap.

4. GUMBALL tires. Like RE92 wasn't enough of an insult.

5. The rear sway bar is also smaller but it's a non-issue, since LGT's one is undersized as well. To make it understeer friendly SOA downsized the bar from 20mm on JDM Legacy to 17mm.

And don't start me on style. It's subjective, of course. To me single color 2005-2007 Outbacks are passable although they lack Legacy's class. 2008 Outback is plain disaster with the Buick Redezvous like chrome grille. So fugly it's unbelievable.

Legacy says "class" and caters to people who does not need to show off. Outback is the opposite.

Oh, the drama. Seasickness??? Nigeria, please. We also have no concrete proof that the Legacy Wagon is gone entirely, just the MT. Just rumor. If there is concrete evidence before April, then show me.

For the record, I do agree that the Outback doesn't handle like the GT, BECAUSE IT IS NOT A 'PERFORMANCE CAR' PEOPLE DON'T BUY AN OB FOR PERFORMANCE, SAVE THE XT, and even then, many (not all) XT sales are based on 'top of the line-ness' (shared with the LLbean) and not performance. The same opinion goes for the brakes, see above caps. BUT I have an 06 OB, it is beyond adequate for what it is. The styling is fine.....except on the forthcoming 08's. Ugly as hell, that's why I'm not even interested, end of story.

On the pro-leggy GT wagon side, who wants to buy a new ~$35K car (XT)and immediately dissect it into what they wanted in the first place by swapping out the suspension and going after the underbody spacers (if that's even possible)? Not me. In that respect, I am bummed for the lack of LGT wagon MT.

We are not the majority, we are the minority. As hard as it is to grasp for some, and as early as they did pull them from market, there weren't enough of us buying them, plain and simple. The masses are what keeps SOA and FHI in business. FHI and its continental afilliates must cater to what the majority will buy. Thank your fellow americans/consumers for not having taste in cars that jibe with yours/ours. Accept it, it will save you much anguish. At least you already have one of the darn LGT MT wagons....poor me, I'll have to 'settle' for a Spec B.:rolleyes:

Here what's wrong:

1. Foremost, suspension which handles like GARBAGE and "comfort" causing SEASICKNESS - there is no good aftermarket alternative, because of the body lift; some Legacy struts/coilovers fit but send the geometry out of whack.

2. SMALLER brakes than on LGT. Why the heck SOA would put SMALLER brakes on a HEAVIER car with worse suspension?

I have no idea what they were thinking there.

3. CRAPPY plastic body cladding - estetics aside - it's plain inconvenient - dirt and crap gets between the body panels and the plastic crap.

That may be subjective. I think the cladding greatly improves the look of the wagon


4. GUMBALL tires. Like RE92 wasn't enough of an insult.


:confused:
My Outback and Legacy (both MY2006) came with the same kind of tire (subpar RE92As in both cases).


5. The rear sway bar is also smaller but it's a non-issue, since LGT's one is undersized as well. To make it understeer friendly SOA downsized the bar from 20mm on JDM Legacy to 17mm.

And to 16mm on the Outback. At least it's an easy thing to fix if you don't mind some minor modding.


And don't start me on style. It's subjective, of course. To me single color 2005-2007 Outbacks are passable although they lack Legacy's class. 2008 Outback is plain disaster with the Buick Redezvous like chrome grille. So fugly it's unbelievable.

I'm not a fan of the 2008 USDM Outback style either. The JDM/EDM Outback has a much more cohesive design.


Legacy says "class" and caters to people who does not need to show off. Outback is the opposite.

And what does it say if you have both? :D

And what does it say if you have both?
:D

Schizo! :lol:

Anyone attend the Canadian International Auto Show in Toronto yet?

If not and you are going to, can you take pictures of the plaques that describe the stats on the cars, particularly the 2.5GT and spec.B.

Is it just me or does the pic of the spec B look like it's got Recaros in it? The center to section looks a little Recaro-ish to me. Anyone see any closer shots of the interior? Please Subaru bring better seats to your sport models... we don't all have dangerously high BMIs.

Jon [in CT] mentioned in LegacyGT.com that the blue Alcantara inserts have been replaced with black Alcantara inserts. As for sport seats, I highly doubt it, heh.

Jon [in CT] mentioned in LegacyGT.com that the blue Alcantara inserts have been replaced with black Alcantara inserts. As for sport seats, I highly doubt it, heh.
imo black inserts will look nicer than the blue ones they have now
any pics??

imo black inserts will look nicer than the blue ones they have now
any pics??

I agree. The blue inserts didn't fit with the more mature and refined style of the Spec B vs the WRX STI.

Canadian Spec-B pics stolen from LegacyGT.com (i'm amazed nobody has posted them here yet):

http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/76904/2007-Toronto-AutoShow-110.jpg

http://www.legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32312&d=1171675778

http://www.legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32310&d=1171675778

http://www.legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32314&d=1171675778

http://www.legacygt.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32313&d=1171675778

^the interior looks better with the grey alcantara vs. the blue in the Spec B.... i can almost put money on the fact that the STI is gonna be offered with the blue AND grey alcantara depending upon what exterior color you choose

I prefere the S4-like blue.

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http://www.cars101.com/subaru/legacy/legacy2008.html#colors

cars101.com has a list of colors and stuff. looks like spec.B gets two colors a "new" quartz silver metallic or diamond gray metallic. still taupe interiors for the non-shades of gray colors. and new harvest gold metallic and deep bronze metallic..

can anyone confirm? pictures? anything?

rsholland said he saw (& liked) the dark bronze color at the Philly (I think) auto show, so I think that color's confirmed.

rsholland said he saw (& liked) the dark bronze color at the Philly (I think) auto show, so I think that color's confirmed.

Yes, yes, and yes. :)

Bob

Hi, Bob. :) Thanks for the prompt confirmations.