Everyone thought the rumor that Subaru would be dropping its popular WRX model when it launches a redesigned Impreza was bunk. The rumor originated with an article by Autocar that stated Subaru had "no plans to carry over the intermediate WRX model." Michael McHale, Subaru's Director of Corporate Communications, got in touch with Autoblog to let us know that the WRX is safe and will be present after the relaunch of the redesigned Impreza. Those worrying that the Impreza will only be offered as a five-door hatchback in the future can rest easy, too. Sedan variants will be offered, presumably along with the five-door hatchback we've seen in spy shots. We still expect to see the new Impreza at the New York Auto Show in early April, though it's unclear whether or not Subaru will follow Mitsubishi's lead and introduce only the standard models before trotting out the hotted up WRX and STi variants. We'll be on hand in the Big Apple to let you know from the show floor.

[Source: Subaru]

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/02/15/subaru-confirms-impreza-wrx-and-sedan-are-safe/

Apparently I wasn't the only one telling my SOA friends that they needed to speak up (officially) about this rumor.

One other point to highlight is that the WRX will come in 5 door AND sedan. The STi will only come in 5 door, however.

I'm tired of SOA F-in with my emotions...

Damn IT!!!

Just tell me (everything) what will be available in 2008!!!!!!

We still expect to see the new Impreza at the New York Auto Show in early April, though it's unclear whether or not Subaru will follow Mitsubishi's lead and introduce only the standard models before trotting out the hotted up WRX and STi variants. We'll be on hand in the Big Apple to let you know from the show floor.

Mmmm. Hopefully more time for me to save for a theoretical downpayment.

with the brand recognition that the Impreza and WRX have, it would've been idiotic to abandon either name. maybe Subaru is learning (wishful thinking, right?).

nothing new hear.. glad to shut up those folks that were hatchback haters... i still don't get why SOA would leave the STI a hatchback only.... maybe something along the route of the mazda3 speed being hatch only... or wait product differentiation Impreza STI hatch only, Legacy STI sedan only, Forester STI SUV only, Outback STI wagon only.... hmmm...

nothing new hear.. glad to shut up those folks that were hatchback haters... i still don't get why SOA would leave the STI a hatchback only.... maybe something along the route of the mazda3 speed being hatch only... or wait product differentiation Impreza STI hatch only, Legacy STI sedan only, Forester STI SUV only, Outback STI wagon only.... hmmm...

WRC...

I don't see why Subaru would look to Mazda for styling cues or competition though. Its the Evo that's been its rival. The Mazdaspeed is targeted at a different market.

WRC...

forgot about that good point :D

My feelings are that Subaru made a mistake in MY06 and MY07 by changing their front end, and are now making another mistake by going hatch. The 4-door style is key to the WRX as well as the STi, and has been that way since the WRX came to the US in MY02 and the STi in MY04. Why do they insist on changing it every couple years?

at least this will finally shut some people up

I don't see why Subaru would look to Mazda for styling cues or competition though. Its the Evo that's been its rival. The Mazdaspeed is targeted at a different market.

Sorry but no, the Evo is only targetted at being the Rival to the Impreza STI. That is the $30k+ sports cars market, everything else is targetted at regular people who like nice cars.

Sorry but no, the Evo is only targetted at being the Rival to the Impreza STI. That is the $30k+ sports cars market, everything else is targetted at regular people who like nice cars.

i still don't get why SOA would leave the STI a hatchback only.... maybe something along the route of the mazda3 speed being hatch only...Yeah, I was replying to this particular statement.

Didn't we cover this already?

Not the specific announcement, but I'm pretty sure all this has been covered already.

AWD Big Turbo
2008 Evo vs STi

AWD Little Turbo
2008 Lancer Ralliart vs WRX

NA EDIT: ugh i didnt mean to say FWD
2008 Lancer vs Impreza 2.5i

AWD Big Turbo
2008 Evo vs STi

AWD Little Turbo
2008 Lancer Ralliart vs WRX

FWD NA
2008 Lancer vs Impreza 2.5i

umm... i highly doubt they will be making the impreza 2.5i FWD....

good to hear...
but i feel that it's about time to see what and the hell the deal is, give us an idea what its gonna look like, i remember seeing the STi V9 pix shortly after the V8 came out... what gives.?.?.

umm... i highly doubt they will be making the impreza 2.5i FWD....

100% correct. I did not mean to put FWD. thanks!

Didn't we cover this already?

Not the specific announcement, but I'm pretty sure all this has been covered already.

yes but there were still people who were SURE that it was still just a hatch

good to hear...
but i feel that it's about time to see what and the hell the deal is, give us an idea what its gonna look like, i remember seeing the STi V9 pix shortly after the V8 came out... what gives.?.?.

Secrecy is very serious business.:disco:

They better show us the WRX in April and it better be on sale in August!

Glad to hear they are sticking the sedan... but I will most likely be buying the hatch. Hope to see them both at the auto show.

I'm sort of disappointed it won't be a 3 door hatch. Can't see myself buying a 5 door hatchback STI (judging by the current 5 door hatch offerings by other makes).

I would love to see a new 2 door coupe and go back to the late GC model styling.

50 more days until the New York Autoshow...sigh

50 more days until the New York Autoshow...sigh

Yeah some of us can't wait... especially those (me) in market for a new car.

If I can get a MY08 WRX hatch when they go on sale, hopefully with a limited package, that's what i'm buying. If that vehicle doesn't exist, then i'll buy a used 06/07 wagon. If not, then I might have to look outside the subaru family which I don't really want to do.

I'm sort of disappointed it won't be a 3 door hatch. Can't see myself buying a 5 door hatchback STI (judging by the current 5 door hatch offerings by other makes).

I completely agree with you there. If WRC really is the inspiration for the hatch change, then why not 3 door hatch? I could really see myself trading in my STI for a 3 door hatch variant, but I'm not feeling that same confidence if it's going to be 5 doors.

It's still too early to say, of course, and it's possible they've come up with something flat-out awesome, but my preference would strictly be 3 door if it's a hatch.

I completely agree with you there. If WRC really is the inspiration for the hatch change, then why not 3 door hatch? I could really see myself trading in my STI for a 3 door hatch variant, but I'm not feeling that same confidence if it's going to be 5 doors.

It's still too early to say, of course, and it's possible they've come up with something flat-out awesome, but my preference would strictly be 3 door if it's a hatch.

Is a 5 door hatch lighter than a sedan? I am going to guess that the new STI will still be heavier than the outgoing one.

50 more days until the New York Autoshow...sigh

True, and the press embargo probably ends on the reveal date. But the press already has images, magazines containing them are probably already printing. They have to, in order have the magazines on the shelves when the cover comes off the car on stage in New York.

Might only be a matter of time until images and info are leaked out.


How's that for false hope? :p

yes but there were still people who were SURE that it was still just a hatch

That's what the subaru rep told us at the dealership in a meeting regards the new models... I'll asume that he is only a big fat liar then.

A 5-door STi?

:banana::banana::banana::banana:

2010 is the year I'll make contact.

I would love to see a new 2 door coupe and go back to the late GC model styling.

Perhaps you might be interested in the "new" Taurus Classic that Ford will be introducing...

I hope it fails in the mass approval category becouse to me they all look fine from behind the wheel. :D

A hatch/wagon STI is the only way that Subaru could get me to give up my bugeye.

An STI hatch makes my trousers tight :D

This thread is almost as worthless as the other closed on. Or something.

This thread is almost as worthless as the other closed on. Or something.
You're worthless :)

As long as you don't call me a poo poo head.

WRC...

forgot about that good point :D

How is that a good point? USDM and WRC have nothing to do with each other.

As long as you don't call me a poo poo head.
I dunno if I can afford another 8 warning points! :lol:

poo poo head is fine... it's douche that you will get banned :p

poo poo head is fine... it's douche that you will get banned :p
Apparently so, douche.

BAN ME! Hahaha. :sigh:

Apparently so, douche.

BAN ME! Hahaha. :sigh:

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it was the mexican food talk last time that derailed a thread...
The mods are killing these threads off one by one.

My feelings are that Subaru made a mistake in MY06 and MY07 by changing their front end, and are now making another mistake by going hatch. The 4-door style is key to the WRX as well as the STi, and has been that way since the WRX came to the US in MY02 and the STi in MY04. Why do they insist on changing it every couple years?

The 06/07 nose outsold the 04/05 nose.

I'll probably never buy another sedan. It doesn't make sense to have something that much less practical when the sedan rarely looks better than the hatch/wagon.

~~Quentin

My feelings are that Subaru made a mistake in MY06 and MY07 by changing their front end, and are now making another mistake by going hatch. The 4-door style is key to the WRX as well as the STi, and has been that way since the WRX came to the US in MY02 and the STi in MY04. Why do they insist on changing it every couple years?
It looks like almost every car being sold in Europe right now is a hatchback. It seems like a practical idea for Subaru to be a player in that market, which is traditionally friendly to smaller cars anyway.

The 06/07 nose outsold the 04/05 nose.

I'll probably never buy another sedan. It doesn't make sense to have something that much less practical when the sedan rarely looks better than the hatch/wagon.

~~Quentin

And the 06/07 nose looks better, too.

The 06/07 nose outsold the 04/05 nose.

I'll probably never buy another sedan. It doesn't make sense to have something that much less practical when the sedan rarely looks better than the hatch/wagon.

~~Quentin

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I test drove some hatchbacks last weekend (Mini Cooper and Mazda 3). The visibility was about the same, but you could fit ... you know... stuff in it. Even the Mini.

And the 06/07 nose looks better, too.

I'm thinking the sales increases for the 06/07 models might have more to do with mechanical bits than the car's schnoz.

And while the current nose might look better, it still doesn't look good.

Yeah some of us can't wait... especially those (me) in market for a new car.

If I can get a MY08 WRX hatch when they go on sale, hopefully with a limited package, that's what i'm buying. If that vehicle doesn't exist, then i'll buy a used 06/07 wagon. If not, then I might have to look outside the subaru family which I don't really want to do.

From my personal experiences with troubles with my 02 WRX (first year model), I would wait for the MY09 and hope for less problems.

My options are between a used legacy gt or new impreza. Just have to wait and see.

IDK... I actually think the new nose looks cool.

The WRX is still a little too cramped for my family of four so I'm looking at the Forester Limited.

I'm thinking the sales increases for the 06/07 models might have more to do with mechanical bits than the car's schnoz ... And while the current nose might look better, it still doesn't look good.Imo... the mechanical bits, good leases, the fear that Subaru will screw up again in 2oo8 AND the car's snout. The current front end isn't seXy, but it was solid step in the right direction; I just wish Subaru had stayed with the idea and refined it for the nextgen Impreza. Hey maybe they did since none of us, save the elect few, know what it's going to look like anyway. :rolleyes: Just a thought.

IDK... I actually think the new nose looks cool.

The WRX is still a little too cramped for my family of four so I'm looking at the Forester Limited.

Enjoy the extra 1 cu. ft. of cabin space.;)

Enjoy the extra 1 cu. ft. of cabin space.;)Yes, but it's a much more useful ft^3. :D

I imagine it would be if my shoulders were 0.6 inches wider.:lol:

From my personal experiences with troubles with my 02 WRX (first year model), I would wait for the MY09 and hope for less problems.


i couldn't agree more! i'm waiting until '09, when a de-bugged sti rears its head.

the next-gen impreza should be quite good. subaru has invested the last 5 years trying to leapfrog the mitsubishi rivalry and go toe-to-toe with bmw m3 for quality, luxury, performance, and stability. let's see what we'll get...

Anything for more room :) And I actually like how the Forester looks when lowered.

Those worrying that the Impreza will only be offered as a five-door hatchback in the future can rest easy, too. Sedan variants will be offered, presumably along with the five-door hatchback we've seen in spy shots. We still expect to see the new Impreza at the New York Auto Show in early April, though it's unclear whether or not Subaru will follow Mitsubishi's lead and introduce only the standard models before trotting out the hotted up WRX and STi variants.

We over the Pond in blighty, we also heard that the new Model was to be first shown at the New York motor show.

Just a quick note to stop a mis-quote turning into an Internet truth, I think you'll find the 08MY is being shown in April in New York but the cars won't be available (N/A only) until just before the end of the year with turbo to follow :)


But I have a source that says the officiall announcement will be before then, maybe even at the Geneva Show ;) The soure also reckons that the Model will be the TPH version, dual fuel Car.

rumours don't you just love them :D

Tony

Your source sounds like half of the NASIOC noobs who don't keep up to date. :)

They should bring back the coupe...and offer the STI as a sedan AND a wagon

Your source sounds like half of the NASIOC noobs who don't keep up to date. :)

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How is that a good point? USDM and WRC have nothing to do with each other.

You're forgetting why it's going hatch in the first place.

Dominant.
http://www.nachohat.org/albums/rally_australia_2002_chidlow/wrally058.jpg

Dominant.
http://www.etamiya.com/shop/images/tamiya_rcmodel/43516.jpg

Dominant.
http://news.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/Ford_Focus_WRC_2006_1.jpg

You're forgetting why it's going hatch in the first place.

Dominant.
http://www.nachohat.org/albums/rally_australia_2002_chidlow/wrally058.jpg

Dominant.
http://www.etamiya.com/shop/images/tamiya_rcmodel/43516.jpg

Dominant.
http://news.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/Ford_Focus_WRC_2006_1.jpg
i don't think its so much that hatchbacks are dominant.. more like 3 doors are dominant :D

more like smaller cars are dominant
number of doors is secondary to size.

Krzys

Could be right on both counts. Or maybe Subaru thinks that the line between Impreza and Legacy is becoming too blurred, and they want to separate the two a bit more.

*shrug*

Wait until April. :)

Could be right on both counts. Or maybe Subaru thinks that the line between Impreza and Legacy is becoming too blurred, and they want to separate the two a bit more.

*shrug*

Wait until April. :)

true.. i'm thinking with the next impreza on the new legacy chasis, with the next redesign expect the legacy/OB to go on the longer wheelbased B9 chasis.. in terms of STI.. there will be an Impreza STI hatch, and ONLY a Legacy STI sedan.. product separation :D

poo poo head is fine... it's douche that you will get banned :p

Yeah, hmmm, I think I remember something about that.

true.. i'm thinking with the next impreza on the new legacy chasis, with the next redesign expect the legacy/OB to go on the longer wheelbased B9 chasis.. in terms of STI.. there will be an Impreza STI hatch, and ONLY a Legacy STI sedan.. product separation :D

I really hope you're right. The only thing keeping me from trading in my WRX wagon on an STI is the fact that I can't throw my bike in it (for security reasons) or an occassional bunch of 8' 2x4's. (Hey, some of us own houses...what can I say?):D

I fear Subaru will contiue to make us have to choose between practicality and stupid fast acceleration. Any chance in h3ll they'll sell us that Nema "concept" Forester? How is that a concept anyway? They already build them, they just don't offer it here in the states.

Have heard from a reliable source that the next STI is indeed available in a 5-door hatch. A major publication is doing some shots of it in SoCal. Source also mentioned a sedan but could not see what badge it had.

more than likely STI will be a hatch only... my guess is its because the STI hatch will be the WRC car.... the STI represents the WRC car, therefore it will be a hatch.. once again do i really have proof, no but that's what i think :D

If it represents the WRC car, why isn't it a 3 door? Subaru is doing almost everything to guarantee that I buy a different brand. I want a fun small 3 door hatch, c'mon Subaru!

If it represents the WRC car, why isn't it a 3 door? Subaru is doing almost everything to guarantee that I buy a different brand. I want a fun small 3 door hatch, c'mon Subaru!

probably because they wouldn't sell.. the 2 door impreza didn't sell (thats why they killed it), you have people bi***ing and moaning for a wagon STI, then you have people crying for a loss of a STI sedan.. having a 3 door would completely limit the functionality of it for a wagon owner (wanting something as big as a wagon and as functional) and then the sedan owners would complain about the hatch thing... so the middle ground is 4 door hatch :D

Apparently I wasn't the only one telling my SOA friends that they needed to speak up (officially) about this rumor.

One other point to highlight is that the WRX will come in 5 door AND sedan. The STi will only come in 5 door, however.

WHAAAAAT?!?!

SAY IT AINT SO. PLEASE LORD ALMIGHTY. :furious: :mad: :(

If it represents the WRC car, why isn't it a 3 door? Subaru is doing almost everything to guarantee that I buy a different brand. I want a fun small 3 door hatch, c'mon Subaru!

^^^
buy a yaris...?!?!
haha... just kidding...

i thought actually those wrc cars all having similar lengths of wheel base...
and they all weigh pretty similar too...
it's just... subaru wrc having extra longer front and rear over hangs...
hatches supposely are more rigid body style then sedan...
will be good for subaru in wrc...

I guess the stupid that ended in the other thread got transported to this one...

:(

I guess the stupid that ended in the other thread got transported to this one...

:(

Two more months of this crap.:lol:

I guess the stupid that ended in the other thread got transported to this one...

:(
You know I'M here for the stupid!

WHAAAAAT?!?!

SAY IT AINT SO. PLEASE LORD ALMIGHTY. :furious: :mad: :(
It IS true! :banana:


Sedans Suck

I'd LOVE a 5dr hatch STi. I'd love a 3dr hatch STi even more. A Subaru drivetrain, Subaru reliability, in a package that looks like a new GTI inside and out? I'll take 2 please.

Alright guys... this has ALL been covered in the other thread you got locked.



STi - 5 Door
WRX - 5 Door & Sedan

Sedan to be N.A. market only.

Uh, though I'm refusing to confirm the above with a yes or no. Those are facts I... uh... gathered from the other thread. Right.

i am more interested in the none turbo,
smallest engine that impreza going to have...
will it be 1.5? 2.0? or still 2.5 L...?
will it be hatch available too...?

I would expect it to still have the 2.5, except that a diesel or hybrid would have a smaller engine (but neither of those are expected this year). I would also expect both hatch and sedan, although I could maybe see killing the sedan.

Alright guys... this has ALL been covered in the other thread you got locked.



STi - 5 Door
WRX - 5 Door & Sedan

Sedan to be N.A. market only.

Uh, though I'm refusing to confirm the above with a yes or no. Those are facts I... uh... gathered from the other thread. Right.

So....no wagon? or is a 5 door considered a wagon?

Gotta have a wagon!

too bad they didnt buy into the prodrive P2 that thing is sex:(

I really hope you're right. The only thing keeping me from trading in my WRX wagon on an STI is the fact that I can't throw my bike in it (for security reasons) or an occassional bunch of 8' 2x4's. (Hey, some of us own houses...what can I say?):D

I fear Subaru will contiue to make us have to choose between practicality and stupid fast acceleration. Any chance in h3ll they'll sell us that Nema "concept" Forester? How is that a concept anyway? They already build them, they just don't offer it here in the states.

Factory Subaru roof rack... hauled many a 2x4, drywall, couches, you name it!

http://myfilelocker.comcast.net/vlord3/115-1597_IMG.JPG

Alright guys... this has ALL been covered in the other thread you got locked.



STi - 5 Door
WRX - 5 Door & Sedan

Sedan to be N.A. market only.

Uh, though I'm refusing to confirm the above with a yes or no. Those are facts I... uh... gathered from the other thread. Right.

For that; you get two bananas!

:banana: :banana:

too bad they didnt buy into the prodrive P2 that thing is sex:(

It was... but like the majority of people on this board, we don't pay for sex.

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:confused: Your point, Quint? Is there an error in my post? Yes, I'm a NASIOC noob (like you), but I do keep up to date. And I'm certainly not new to Subaru - I've owned four over the last 15 years.

My post referred to folks who come into a thread and post outdated speculation or information, not all noobs. I thought that was pretty clear. Do you think the "source" I was commenting about is accurate saying the Impreza will be announced in Geneva, and that it will be a "TPH version, dual fuel Car"? I don't.

I would expect it to still have the 2.5, except that a diesel or hybrid would have a smaller engine (but neither of those are expected this year). I would also expect both hatch and sedan, although I could maybe see killing the sedan.

Regarding the base Impreza: If they killed the sedan for the base model, that'd mean Subaru would be building a sedan bodystyle exclusively for US-bound non-hatch WRXs. I wouldn't think that'd be enough sales to justify a US WRX-only sedan. My 2 cents.

Factory Subaru roof rack... hauled many a 2x4, drywall, couches, you name it!

http://myfilelocker.comcast.net/vlord3/115-1597_IMG.JPG


Yep, that's me too. On any given weekend, I have 2 kayaks, and or bikes, and more often a 12' whitewater raft strapped to my roof rack.

Phantasm, is that rack mounted to the mounting points under the roof trim strips? I thought that was a euro only thing. Where'd you get it? I'm assuming the STi won't be coming with roof rails.

So....no wagon? or is a 5 door considered a wagon?

Gotta have a wagon!

Lets not split this hair again. Call it what you want if you're paying.

can't wait for it.....

Lets not split this hair again. Call it what you want if you're paying.

A 4 door hatch and a wagon are totally different IMO.

Yep, that's me too. On any given weekend, I have 2 kayaks, and or bikes, and more often a 12' whitewater raft strapped to my roof rack.

Phantasm, is that rack mounted to the mounting points under the roof trim strips? I thought that was a euro only thing. Where'd you get it? I'm assuming the STi won't be coming with roof rails.

It is mounted under the roof trim strips. I bought it from the UK in 2001. It is the factory roof rack for the sedan. Why they didn't offer it directly in the US continues to elude me.

A 4 door hatch and a wagon are totally different IMO.

ok great

Factory Subaru roof rack... hauled many a 2x4, drywall, couches, you name it!

http://myfilelocker.comcast.net/vlord3/115-1597_IMG.JPG

hehee.........I gotcha beat......

http://a916.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/52/l_49b4734f734cc70278b7a141fa35286b.jpg

I have seen sedans both STI and normal WRX haul plenty of stuff too. I doubt it can equal the amount of crap that happened on that 3000 mile journey though. I had me and 3 other guys, and a bunch of their gear. The Rex felt like a whole new car again once everything was out and it was just me.

That said, I too would have already upgraded to an STI if there was a wagon or hatch version. While I respect the sedan, I love the practicality of my Wagon and wouldn't think twice before buying another one over a sedan. Strapping things to a roof is different from putting stuff inside. You can't lay down and sleep in the sedan, but I can in my wagon (beats the crap out of setting up a tent and getting wet from the rain, not to mention hearing the full blast of a passing train with only nylon cloth to block it). So I am thrilled to hear that they are making the STI a hatch. From all points it looks like it will be better styled too. I will say that the EVO might be giving it a run though, its going to be hard choice for me in a couple years.

JH

Sorry guys, but I have it from a very consistent source* that the 5 door STI will not have fold-down rear seats, although it will still be possible to reach the cargo area from the passenger area via the space over the top of the rear seats. This will differentiate the STI from the lesser models and bolster the no-nonsense sports-car attributes.





* my butt

hehee.........I gotcha beat......

http://a916.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/52/l_49b4734f734cc70278b7a141fa35286b.jpg

I have seen sedans both STI and normal WRX haul plenty of stuff too. I doubt it can equal the amount of crap that happened on that 3000 mile journey though. I had me and 3 other guys, and a bunch of their gear. The Rex felt like a whole new car again once everything was out and it was just me.

That said, I too would have already upgraded to an STI if there was a wagon or hatch version. While I respect the sedan, I love the practicality of my Wagon and wouldn't think twice before buying another one over a sedan. Strapping things to a roof is different from putting stuff inside. You can't lay down and sleep in the sedan, but I can in my wagon (beats the crap out of setting up a tent and getting wet from the rain, not to mention hearing the full blast of a passing train with only nylon cloth to block it). So I am thrilled to hear that they are making the STI a hatch. From all points it looks like it will be better styled too. I will say that the EVO might be giving it a run though, its going to be hard choice for me in a couple years.

JH

Well, since the Impreza has a roof rack rating of 100 lbs, I'd say that one is way overloaded.

Bob

I was told by the dealer (not necessarily reliable) that the Impreza was being built off the Legacy chasis. It will be a bigger car then today. Kind of like the Altima > Maxima thing.

If it goes one notch bigger and goes the Hatch/Wagon route >>> '08 STI for me. If not, the Saabaru is working out just fine.

Well, since the Impreza has a roof rack rating of 100 lbs, I'd say that one is way overloaded.

Bob

ahh........well its a thule system attached to the wagon rails, so the crappy cross bars are replaced with high quality good ones. You could say that the rex was riding a bit low though.

I truly don't understand why they wouldn't make the car usable for everyday. Not allowing the seats to fold down is just silly in a hatch. Its the whole reason you make a hatch, to have lots of cargo space. As long as they design the roof structure well, that shouldn't be a problem for rigidity. At the end of the day, its still an Impreza and its still a Subaru. Its not like it would really take away from the sportiness of the car at all, just look at the the Audi RS6. Lots of space, great for a family, and until the R8 came out was at the top of the range when it came to being a sports car.

JH

never even heard the rumor, im so outta touch with life

I truly don't understand why they wouldn't make the car usable for everyday. Not allowing the seats to fold down is just silly in a hatch. Its the whole reason you make a hatch, to have lots of cargo space.It was just a joke! :huh:

6 yaks is definitely overloaded, regardless of the crossbars. I've done 150 lbs with no issues, but I use tiedowns for extra safety:

http://www.dtm.ciw.edu/seager/Max/Canoe/car.jpg

Sorry guys, but I have it from a very consistent source* that the 5 door STI will not have fold-down rear seats, although it will still be possible to reach the cargo area from the passenger area via the space over the top of the rear seats. This will differentiate the STI from the lesser models and bolster the no-nonsense sports-car attributes.





* my butt

:lol: Very funny!

It was just a joke! :huh:

doh....you got me. I am one gullible mo-fo it would seem.

JH

6 yaks is definitely overloaded, regardless of the crossbars. I've done 150 lbs with no issues, but I use tiedowns for extra safety:

http://www.dtm.ciw.edu/seager/Max/Canoe/car.jpg



:lol: Very funny!

In my years on Nasioc... i can't count how many times i've seen this picture... lol

In my years on Nasioc... i can't count how many times i've seen this picture... lol
I was just going to say that.... I'm sure the 'baby' can carry him now :lol:

In my years on Nasioc... i can't count how many times i've seen this picture... lol
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ahh........well its a thule system attached to the wagon rails, so the crappy cross bars are replaced with high quality good ones. You could say that the rex was riding a bit low though.

I truly don't understand why they wouldn't make the car usable for everyday. Not allowing the seats to fold down is just silly in a hatch. Its the whole reason you make a hatch, to have lots of cargo space. As long as they design the roof structure well, that shouldn't be a problem for rigidity. At the end of the day, its still an Impreza and its still a Subaru. Its not like it would really take away from the sportiness of the car at all, just look at the the Audi RS6. Lots of space, great for a family, and until the R8 came out was at the top of the range when it came to being a sports car.

JH

You've probably got at least 250 pounds, if not more, on your roof. It's not just the crossbars that limit the roof weight rating. It's roof strength and center of gravity too.

Bob

In my years on Nasioc... i can't count how many times i've seen this picture... lol

noob :lol:

**** one of these days I'm gonna click on one of these threads and there's actually going to be some real news.

**** one of these days I'm gonna click on one of these threads and there's actually going to be some real news.
Don't count on it.


HI Dave!

**** one of these days I'm gonna click on one of these threads and there's actually going to be some real news.
All the real news is being horded because these threads have been worthless.

True? Maybe.

You've probably got at least 250 pounds, if not more, on your roof. It's not just the crossbars that limit the roof weight rating. It's roof strength and center of gravity too.

Bob

Rolling over is of little consequence to paddlers. That's our idea of fun...:D

Most overloaded car I've seen is a Honda Civic hatch with 7 boats (creek boats mind you) during MooseFest. Yessir, Thule makes a fine product. ;)

I was just going to say that.... I'm sure the 'baby' can carry him now :lol:

:lol: He's almost 4 now. Sorry I don't have more pics of my car. This one made the point though.

Rolling over is of little consequence to paddlers. That's our idea of fun...:D

So Pastrana's Impreza was doin' an Eskimo Roll, then, at the end of his X Games run? :lol:

So Pastrana's Impreza was doin' an Eskimo Roll, then, at the end of his X Games run? :lol:

No, but McRae's was :p

Doh! Oops... that's the second time I've done that, too. :furious: :o

You've probably got at least 250 pounds, if not more, on your roof. It's not just the crossbars that limit the roof weight rating. It's roof strength and center of gravity too.

Bob

One, they are 30 pounds each, so its more like 180 pounds. Two, that particular trip I did at least 3000 miles, and there was absolutely no problem with the amount of weigh nor the aerodynamic force put on the car. It utterly kills your gas mileage, but from a structural standpoint is no problem whatsoever. I was doing upwards of 100 mph at some points across Wyoming (if you have ever driven on I-80 in Wyoming you'll know why you would want to) and the boats showed no sign of going anywhere, nor the roof caving in. So I think its good to go. I would never put more then 1 or 2 on the stock cross bars though. The rails are pretty burly, and if the roof is designed to hold the weight of the car if you roll, I think a few large pieces of plastic should be fine.

It definetly didn't handle gracefully, but it could cope and was surpisingly good considering there were those boats plus 800 pounds of human flesh plus their gear in the car. I wouldn't want to drag race with that in there, but it could cruise with the best of them.

So if you are thinking about carrying 6 whitewater kayaks on your car, have no worries as long as you have a thule or yakima setup. Just don't drive like an utter moron. Keep it under 120mph and watch for cross winds:p .

JH

p.s. Yakker, hit me up if you want to go boating some time. I live in CNY, so the moose and anything else around here is my back yard practically. Oh, and Fortnem and Keepclam, its was more of a barrel roll or pan am, as there was no hesitation between the start of the roll and the end of it, more of a rodeo move instead of a recovery move for Mcrae.

JH

p.s. Yakker, hit me up if you want to go boating some time. I live in CNY, so the moose and anything else around here is my back yard practically. Oh, and Fortnem and Keepclam, its was more of a barrel roll or pan am, as there was no hesitation between the start of the roll and the end of it, more of a rodeo move instead of a recovery move for Mcrae.

JH

Hey JH,

I'd be surprised if we hadn't run into each other at some point or at least have paddling buds in common. I'm usually out that way for the Beaver releases, Sprite Creek, and the Fish when it's up. Although with all the rain we got last year, I still didn't get on the Fish (poor timing every time). I'll check in with you once the runoff starts to flow. Not too long to go...:D

Hey JH,

I'd be surprised if we hadn't run into each other at some point or at least have paddling buds in common. I'm usually out that way for the Beaver releases, Sprite Creek, and the Fish when it's up. Although with all the rain we got last year, I still didn't get on the Fish (poor timing every time). I'll check in with you once the runoff starts to flow. Not too long to go...:D

Cool man. I live in Rome so the Fish is my home run. I haven't run the beaver but here good things about it and would like to. I go with Chet more then anyone, if you know him. Definetly look me up, as I am always looking for people to go with, especially mid week.

Ok, enough thread jacking. Bring on the STI hatch and its hi-po usefulness. Can't wait for the New York show to see what its gonna look like. I imagine Rally Mexico will give us an idea too, with the unveiling of the new Subaru WRC car. Its really going to be up in the air between the new EVO and this STI for me I think. Fun fun fun.

JH

One, they are 30 pounds each, so its more like 180 pounds. Two, that particular trip I did at least 3000 miles, and there was absolutely no problem with the amount of weigh nor the aerodynamic force put on the car. It utterly kills your gas mileage, but from a structural standpoint is no problem whatsoever. I was doing upwards of 100 mph at some points across Wyoming (if you have ever driven on I-80 in Wyoming you'll know why you would want to) and the boats showed no sign of going anywhere, nor the roof caving in. So I think its good to go. I would never put more then 1 or 2 on the stock cross bars though. The rails are pretty burly, and if the roof is designed to hold the weight of the car if you roll, I think a few large pieces of plastic should be fine.

It definetly didn't handle gracefully, but it could cope and was surpisingly good considering there were those boats plus 800 pounds of human flesh plus their gear in the car. I wouldn't want to drag race with that in there, but it could cruise with the best of them.

So if you are thinking about carrying 6 whitewater kayaks on your car, have no worries as long as you have a thule or yakima setup. Just don't drive like an utter moron. Keep it under 120mph and watch for cross winds:p .

JH

Practice what you preach :rolleyes:

Mayhem, I suggest you at least tie down a few of those yaks to the front and back tietown loops under the car. That way, if the rack fails the boats will not fly off the car.

Also, if the spoiler on the hatch hits the yaks when you open the hatch, its pretty easy to just take off the spoiler. I leave mine off spring-fall.

Mayhem, I suggest you at least tie down a few of those yaks to the front and back tietown loops under the car. That way, if the rack fails the boats will not fly off the car.

Also, if the spoiler on the hatch hits the yaks when you open the hatch, its pretty easy to just take off the spoiler. I leave mine off spring-fall.

Guys, there is absolutely no indication that tie downs to the front of the car is needed. I have been kayaking for 15 years and have used all kinds of tie downs. With that amount of weight, there was no indication bending, creaking, warping, or even any movement from the boats themselves. The car felt the weight in that it was slow and it was a bit more ungainly around cornerns, but it certainly didn't put any undue stress on the car or its roof rails. Tieing things down to the front and back really is more annoying then its worth, as the things will very likely go flying no matter what you do if the roof rails were to give out. Trust me when I say I was on top of it and not just willy nilly throwing stuff on there. Periodic checking and paying attention goes a long way.

The roof rails are alot stronger then you all think they are. I can't say the same for the cross pieces, which should be thrown away the second you buy the car. The rails themselves are quite strong though, and I'd trust them with more weight then a couple(or more) kayaks. On a 3000 mile trip, complete with windy and twisty roads, loading and unloading often, rain, snow and a number of other stresses, not a single indication that the rails were even close to begining to fail.

I'll take my chances I think. Oh, and the utter moron comment was supposed to be my attempt at humour, which obviously failed. Thanks for the concern though.

JH

http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2007/02/2008-subaru-impreza.html#comments

Bob

blech......that looks horrible. It looks like a crappy Daewoo or something. Definetly hope thats not what it will look like.

JH

subaru technicians and designers, if you are reading this, please dont fail us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm actually pretty ok with that design... If it comes with rails and can mount mudflaps. Pretty unoffensive compared to the Subaru style attractiveness of the previous.

Meh whatever the wagach is... I'll be getting one so whatever.

Mayhem, I suggest you at least tie down a few of those yaks to the front and back tietown loops under the car. ... Also, if the spoiler on the hatch hits the yaks when you open the hatch, its pretty easy to just take off the spoiler. I leave mine off spring-fall.

C'mon now, yaks have just gotta exceed the weight limit:
http://www.tpaf.org/Big_Face_Yak_3.jpg

http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2007/02/2008-subaru-impreza.html#comments

Bob

http://bp0.blogger.com/_XEEIzU0UA1M/ReOhM6tgVAI/AAAAAAAAAoc/RPTYlc3A_Ng/s400/sub1.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_XEEIzU0UA1M/ReOhH6tgU_I/AAAAAAAAAoU/DjYX6MD-XBI/s400/sub2.jpg

Hard to make it look modern or upscale when the illustration's that color.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_XEEIzU0UA1M/ReOhM6tgVAI/AAAAAAAAAoc/RPTYlc3A_Ng/s400/sub1.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/3545/557/400/751527/subaru1.jpg

chop of a chop

chop of a chop

yeah, and the color is so 1995 :rolleyes:

http://bp0.blogger.com/_XEEIzU0UA1M/ReOhM6tgVAI/AAAAAAAAAoc/RPTYlc3A_Ng/s400/sub1.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_XEEIzU0UA1M/ReOhH6tgU_I/AAAAAAAAAoU/DjYX6MD-XBI/s400/sub2.jpg
it's not ugly by any means, just kinda bland.. then again i've never heard of anyone calling a subaru so bland they didn't wanna buy it

yeah, and the color is so 1995 :rolleyes:

And when they flipped the rear 3/4 view, they didn't even bother to move the exhaust to the right side. :rolleyes:

it's not ugly by any means, just kinda bland.. then again i've never heard of anyone calling a subaru so bland they didn't wanna buy itYou know, despite all the bitching and moaning about unique stylings.. the most outrageously styled Imprezas have been the best selling.

Just checking in.

Just checking in.

Unit,

What are your thoughts of this latest illustration? Is it warmer or colder compared to the earlier chops/illustrations?

It kinda looks like an old Civic, that color's not helping.

Unit,

What are your thoughts of this latest illustration? Is it warmer or colder compared to the earlier chops/illustrations?

He gave the original chop a thumbs-down, IIRC. Don't waste a minute of sleep on this teal thing.

These images are so... effeminate-looking. Typical Japanese design however, borrowing a few design cues here and there from other manufacturers.

I hope you're right about not losing sleep here-- I'm already counting the days until the guaranteed trade-in business starts again...

chop of a chop

What he said... that's all it is.

It is kind of bland though.... if it didn't have the badge I wouldn't have ever guessed its a subaru.

oh so this is where recycled fake images go now that the other thread was closed. i see

http://bp0.blogger.com/_XEEIzU0UA1M/ReOhM6tgVAI/AAAAAAAAAoc/RPTYlc3A_Ng/s400/sub1.jpg
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http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/d/3591e474e32b15aaa4a2d29e4a50a5ad.jpg

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/d/3591e474e32b15aaa4a2d29e4a50a5ad.jpg

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

If only we could get those /<rad looking wheels... :rolleyes:

I think I just dated myself like those wheels. :lol:

More junk.

Checking in on the stupid.




Yep, still stupid.

Here is the "sedan version" ??? I say all fake.

http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2007/02/2008-subary-impreza-sedan.html

Cheers,
N

This sucks.


There just have to be some more real spy pics out there. Where are the cold weather testing shots?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_XEEIzU0UA1M/ReOhM6tgVAI/AAAAAAAAAoc/RPTYlc3A_Ng/s400/sub1.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_XEEIzU0UA1M/ReOhH6tgU_I/AAAAAAAAAoU/DjYX6MD-XBI/s400/sub2.jpg

I showed this to the guy at my dealership who got a VERY quick glimpse of a pid of the actual car.


Yeah that pic above isnt even close. The dead giveaway is something that all you guys should have caught long ago.

Thats not a legacy platform. The new imprezza is based on the legacy platform.

You can see the platform in that picture? Que?

You can see the platform in that picture? Que?

Exactly my thought. How can you tell what platform it's on? This image doesn't let on one way or the other as far as I can see.

Bob

Look at all the hype and water cooler excitement that SOA is generating by not releasing any pics or info..brilliant.

Confidence building? I think not!

I see the chassis!!!

Oh.. nevermind, the muffler is on the left...

i hope it looks like that, ill be happier i didnt wait

Here is the "sedan version" ??? I say all fake.

http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2007/02/2008-subary-impreza-sedan.html

Cheers,
N

http://bp3.blogger.com/_XEEIzU0UA1M/ReWV2KtgVEI/AAAAAAAAApQ/mRrAm62OIME/s1600/sub3.jpg

It seems like this thread is dominated by wagon lovers.

Whats with all the sedan hate?

I find my sedan to be very practical for my family of five. We take it everywhere. When the kids have a choice of which care theyll be sitting in for the next two hours the WRX wins over the van everytime.

As far as hauling 2x4s etc why would I mark up my car for that? Thats what the van is for.

Personally I hate the way a hatch looks even though there are many that perform very well. If the new STi is only in hatch Ill have to switch brands. Im tired of SOA being difficult to work with at the dealership, sissy looks, cheap interiors nad sound, and now outdated performance.

Maybe Ill just have to make the leap to the M3 (which I doubt subaru will ever be able to compete with) or a vette.

BTW, I think it was my last months moter trend that showed a rendition of the new STi. Very hot with large single piece grill and new lamps-
BF

If the new STi is only in hatch Ill have to switch brands. Im tired of SOA being difficult to work with at the dealership, sissy looks, cheap interiors nad sound, and now outdated performance.

Maybe Ill just have to make the leap to the M3 (which I doubt subaru will ever be able to compete with) or a vette.


Would love to see you get your 3 kids in a Vette, and I don't think Subaru is trying to compete with the M3 (although the performance numbers are basically identical to an STi).

And could you describe this "nad sound" a little more?

It seems like this thread is dominated by wagon lovers.

Whats with all the sedan hate?

I find my sedan to be very practical for my family of five. We take it everywhere. When the kids have a choice of which care theyll be sitting in for the next two hours the WRX wins over the van everytime.

As far as hauling 2x4s etc why would I mark up my car for that? Thats what the van is for.

Personally I hate the way a hatch looks even though there are many that perform very well. If the new STi is only in hatch Ill have to switch brands. Im tired of SOA being difficult to work with at the dealership, sissy looks, cheap interiors nad sound, and now outdated performance.

Maybe Ill just have to make the leap to the M3 (which I doubt subaru will ever be able to compete with) or a vette.

BTW, I think it was my last months moter trend that showed a rendition of the new STi. Very hot with large single piece grill and new lamps-
BF

have you seen the interior of the new impreza? if not please don't judge it as cheap already...

God I hope the STI comes in a normal sedan, I know a lot of people have been wanting a STI wagon forever, and they may finally offer it. But please offer the sedan as well, there are probably more people wanting a sedan then a hatch version, they just don't speak up since there are already STI sedans out there.

God I hope the STI comes in a normal sedan, I know a lot of people have been wanting a STI wagon forever, and they may finally offer it. But please offer the sedan as well, there are probably more people wanting a sedan then a hatch version, they just don't speak up since there are already STI sedans out there.
I don't think God is going to decide what Subaru offers, but I'll pass the note along.

But please offer the sedan as well, there are probably more people wanting a sedan then a hatch version, they just don't speak up since there are already STI sedans out there.That's not going to happen. The 2008MY that will arrive at dealers' lots next January will be a 5-door. Period. If you want a new STI sedan, buy one now. Pretty simple.

Insider source for Subaru print advertising says that the styling has been toned down alot. He has seen both the hatch, and the sedan and advises picking up an 06/07. Guess I'll have to wait, and see.

Insider source for Subaru print advertising says that the styling has been toned down alot. Where are the pictures? (I bet he hasn't seen the STI yet)

;17214012']Where are the pictures? (I bet he hasn't seen the STI yet)
I'll bet you're right.

Insider source for Subaru print advertising says that the styling has been toned down alot. He has seen both the hatch, and the sedan and advises picking up an 06/07. Guess I'll have to wait, and see.

I dont think most people buy subarus because of how they look... in fact i bet most people initially think they are ugly cars but buy them because of the performance, safety and value...

on another note...
im really surprised there havent been more camo'd wrx test car sightings with the official unveiling so soon.

I don't think God is going to decide what Subaru offers, but I'll pass the note along.

Haha, Santa maybe :)

Ah well, Subaru has been going downhill for awhile now, I can't say I am surprised. I loved my 02 WRX, and I love my 05 Legacy GT, but they will most likely be the last Subaru's I own with the way things are going. I might have bought a STI in a couple years, but I don't have any need for a hatchback unless its 2 doors and super lightweight.

Soon it will just be Toyota parts anyways once they buy out Subaru.

just droping another link I dont think I saw posted.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=119503#4


Dont shoot the messanger.

dude, you really dont keep up with stuff do you... check out the stickies

More junk.

I hope so!!! :lol:

So the STI in 08 will ONLY be offered in a hatchback?!? Wow, how stupid.

Also, I hate the new Impreza body style (as evidenced from my name). Anybody know of anyway to make the MY06/07 front end look like a MY04/05 in the STI?

Change the fascia or just buy an older one.

Man, people are angry for no good reason about this crap. I rather like the current model after it had time to grow on me.

Change the fascia or just buy an older one.

Man, people are angry for no good reason about this crap. I rather like the current model after it had time to grow on me.

Honestly, I tried to give it time to grow on me - but I just can't deal with it anymore. I fell in love with Imprezas via the 2004 STI, and when I saw that dumb front end in MY06, I thought I was going to lose it.

How does one change the fascia exactly?

So the STI in 08 will ONLY be offered in a hatchback?!? Wow, how stupid.

Everyone who says this I hope they never, ever in their entire time on NASIOC posted that "The STi shouldn't be a wagon, because it should be the same as it is in WRC" ... because then I will murder and eat them.

-Allen

Everyone who says this I hope they never, ever in their entire time on NASIOC posted that "The STi shouldn't be a wagon, because it should be the same as it is in WRC" ... because then I will murder and eat them.

-Allen

While I never said the above, I do think Subaru is shooting themselves in the foot only offering the STI in the 4 door hatch version. Subaru is running out of feet to shoot these days.

For every one person that doesn't like the car and decides Subaru sucks there is one (if not more) people willing to take their place.

You guys act like Subaru is going to go out of business because of a 5-door hatch.

Everyone who says this I hope they never, ever in their entire time on NASIOC posted that "The STi shouldn't be a wagon, because it should be the same as it is in WRC" ... because then I will murder and eat them.

-Allen

What does that post even mean? I just don't get why a company would want to limit themselves so much by doing such a thing. It doesn't make sense to me and from a business standpoint at all - you build on what you already offer if it's doing well, so introduce a hatch alongside the sedan. I never said I wouldn't buy a hatch (although as of right now I'm not interested), mind you, I only said it's stupid to offer ONLY a hatch.

I've always like what Subaru has offered, but the last few years have been very puzzling to me.

Ok...

The March MotorTrend has a picture (or rendition) of the 08 STI on p64 which even though is a hatch is hot, hot, hot IMHO.

I like the front much better than the three peice grill and is definetly a step in the right dierection.

What does that post even mean? I just don't get why a company would want to limit themselves so much by doing such a thing. It doesn't make sense to me and from a business standpoint at all - you build on what you already offer if it's doing well, so introduce a hatch alongside the sedan. I never said I wouldn't buy a hatch (although as of right now I'm not interested), mind you, I only said it's stupid to offer ONLY a hatch.

I've always like what Subaru has offered, but the last few years have been very puzzling to me.

well let me just say what will subaru run in the WRC? a hatch, therefore the STI is a partial representative of the rally car, therefore it will be a hatch.. well just think of this as well, theres something good in a hatch... look at mazda.. the mazda speed3 is hatch only..

Ok...

The March MotorTrend has a picture (or rendition) of the 08 STI on p64 which even though is a hatch is hot, hot, hot IMHO.

I like the front much better than the three peice grill and is definetly a step in the right dierection.
Still not an actual picture of the real car.

http://www.renault.fi/mallisto/twingo/img/isokuva.jpg

http://www.renault.fi/mallisto/twingo/img/isokuva.jpg

OMG, a heavy, rattly SUNROOF on yuor STeye??? That's it, I'm nev4r buying another Subaru.:mad:

http://www.renault.fi/mallisto/twingo/img/isokuva.jpg

:eek:

Subaru's legal team is going to be all over you! Haven't you heard of embargoes? ;)

While I never said the above, I do think Subaru is shooting themselves in the foot only offering the STI in the 4 door hatch version. Subaru is running out of feet to shoot these days.

I agree, and have always wanted the option for a wagon (hatch) AND a Sedan.

But I remember lots of the Sedan folks saying "No, it should NOT be offered as a hatch because it should be *just like it is in the WRC*" Well, now that it is a hatch in WRC, are they standing by their position?

Again, I prefer OPTIONS, and Subaru seems to eliminate options.

However, since I prefer a hatch to a sedan, I for one am very happy the STi will be a hatch. I may actually buy one now. (Obviously, learning details about the REAL car will have to happen first =D )

-Allen

http://www.renault.fi/mallisto/twingo/img/isokuva.jpg

The bugeye's back!! :disco:

Sigh still over a month away....the wait is killing me!

Sigh still over a month away....the wait is killing me!

If history is any indication, we'll have leaked press photos show up any day now.

While I never said the above, I do think Subaru is shooting themselves in the foot only offering the STI in the 4 door hatch version. Subaru is running out of feet to shoot these days.

How? STI sales don't make or break SOA's bottom line...they don't sell that many. I for one am glad to see that there will now be a clear design difference between the WRX and the STI. Now if they can only do this with their other models (make their higher end models more clearly distinquishable from the base models).

Where are the F***in pics already?

subaru should get some sort of award for keeping the real deal secret. i'm amazed real pics haven't leaked

subaru should get some sort of award for keeping the real deal secret. i'm amazed real pics haven't leaked
Haven't they?






































































No. They haven't. Admit it, I had you for a second.

Haven't they?

Their reward is lack of interest, and people going to other brands because they need to buy a car within the next few months, and have no clue if SOA's offerings will be able to fit their needs...:mad: :rolleyes:

Congrats!

Yeah, they have... Their reward is lack of interest, and people going to other brands because they need to buy a car within the next few months, and have no clue if SOA's offerings will be able to fit their needs...:mad: :rolleyes:

Congrats!
So you're saying there are real pictures. Please point these out for the benefit of the jury.

no, quoted wrong post. I was referring to what SOA's reward is for being so damn tight lipped!

Case in point: I need a larger vehicle for my growing family, but I need it within the next 5 months or so. Believe it or not, but I like the B9, but not with the current weak engine (IMO). However, since I don't exactly know the engine #s on the 08 model, I can't commit to buying one, and thus am actively looking elses where...

Haven't they?






































































No. They haven't. Admit it, I had you for a second.

:lol: You behave now.... :)

:lol: You behave now.... :)
Come on! This is fun.

Come on! This is fun.
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:(

Come on! This is fun.

I think it hurts us more than it does them :lol:

Haven't they?
[...]
No. They haven't. Admit it, I had you for a second.You $@&! :mad:













:lol: :lol: :banana:

:(

...this time with STI overtones.

http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2007/03/next-wrx.html#comments

Bob

...this time with STI overtones.

http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2007/03/next-wrx.html#comments

Bob
its not ugly by any means, but i'm really confused on what type of hatch this is gonna be like... is it going to be like this mazda 3

http://www.centerlinewheels.com/images/gallery/axcela_side_500x280.jpg

OR like this?
http://grohol.com/mazda/mazda6_hatchback4.jpg

i seriously hope its going to be like this second one.. the first one can be considered there "hatch" for the Imprezas and the WRXs, and this last one would be perfect for those STI owners that want the look of a sedan, but the functionality of a wagon.. damnet subaru i'm sick of waiting... these photoshops confuse me :(

i can honestly say if the STI is a hatch like the Mazda 3, subaru is going to lose some sales on the STI.. but if its like the Mazda 6, they won't lose any, but they'll gain from those wanting a Impreza STI wagon

Its going to be like the Mazda3, search for the 08 spy shots. The hatch in camo looks very uninteresting. Hopefully the sedan will be nicer...

Cmon subaru, atleast make the STI version a 2 door if its going to be a hatch!

The spy shots show that one of the body styles will be very similar to the Mazda 3. Unit 91 and others have suggested that the STI will only be available in that style.

Its going to be like the Mazda3, search for the 08 spy shots. The hatch in camo looks very uninteresting. Hopefully the sedan will be nicer...

Cmon subaru, atleast make the STI version a 2 door if its going to be a hatch!

i've seen the 08 spy shots, but its weird how the photoshops keep on showing a mazda 6 like hatch for the STI :confused: i guess they're photoshops for a reason

Cmon subaru, atleast make the STI version a 2 door if its going to be a hatch!

Not gonna happen. Stop talking about it.

Unit 91 and others have suggested that the STI will only be available in that style.

We've more than suggested. We've flat out screamed it. Then everyone ignores it. So... whatever. Keep on keeping on, I guess.

We've more than suggested. We've flat out screamed it. Then everyone ignores it. So... whatever. Keep on keeping on, I guess.

So.....you're saying the STI will be available in a sedan version. :devil:

its not ugly by any means, but i'm really confused on what type of hatch this is gonna be like... is it going to be like this mazda 3

http://www.centerlinewheels.com/images/gallery/axcela_side_500x280.jpg

OR like this?
http://grohol.com/mazda/mazda6_hatchback4.jpg

i seriously hope its going to be like this second one.. the first one can be considered there "hatch" for the Imprezas and the WRXs, and this last one would be perfect for those STI owners that want the look of a sedan, but the functionality of a wagon.. damnet subaru i'm sick of waiting... these photoshops confuse me :(

What about the Impreza owners that want the look of a wagon AND the functionality of a wagon?

I mean if you dont' like hatches, just buy the WRX sedan right?

What about the Impreza owners that want the look of a wagon AND the functionality of a wagon?

I mean if you dont' like hatches, just buy the WRX sedan right?

No ****. Or buy an STI right now. It's not like you haven't been able to buy a sedan model since 2003.

So.....you're saying the STI will be available in a sedan version. :devil:
Why I oughta...

...this time with STI overtones.

http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2007/03/next-wrx.html#comments

Bob
it's a chop of the chop here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16859093#post16859093

Someone mentioned that they were outraged that the STI wont have complete fold down seats or something like that. For the STI I can clearly see a reason why (though I dont know if it actually has this). The evo's seats don't fold down either because there's a crossmember there that increases rigidity of the car. I'm guessing the STI will have something similar, or explain why the current Impreza WRX wagon has a little more flex than the sedan version.

Also UNIT, I know you can't say how the STI will exactly be but have you ever seen the "test mule" photos of the new EVO? I'd chop the wing off and buy one of those in a minute, especially due to the interior and the clean (sans wing) lines. After having driven and experienced both current model cars (bro owns an evo as well as my best friend and owner of socalevo.net), I would like to upgrade to that new STI vs. the Evo. No problem here with the hatch as I already own the wagon. I've always thought the STI's were much better looking and higher quality interior compared to the EVO. The new EVO interior looks fantastic, especially compared to either of the current STI and Evo (of course the production version won't have an alcantara dash, but still). I'm hoping for something AT LEAST as nice the new Legacy's interior to even compete. Are we looking at more upscale interior here?

Someone mentioned that they were outraged that the STI wont have complete fold down seats or something like that.



That Was A Joke:lol:

After going through EVERY post on the last old thread...all 1600 something of them (12 hour blinking light job ftl), I still have some questions, especially since there was very little real info in there.

Things known (from Unit's crypic responses):

-5 Door STI hatch ONLY (No sedan for STI variant).
-Sedan option for North American WRX's (NOT STI!).
-No park bench spoiler for hatch (yay!).
-No DSG/SMG yet.
-5spd man for WRX (no 6) and 6spd for STI.
-Somewhat Legacyish grill treatment.
-Legacy platform, but overall shorter and wider and taller than old Imp.
-Probably Dual-scroll turbo.
-No big STI weight gain.
-Double wishbone rear suspension.
-No standard BBS STI wheels though will be a (bigger?) BBS option of some kind.
-Framed windows.
-Some use of Aluminum parts on STI, more than other Impreza models.

Some of my own questions:

-Will there be a significantly more upscale interior (read: LGT or higher)?
-Nav option on STI?
-Non-blue interior scheme for STI?
-Leg platform hints at more interior room, more rear seat room? (Current Impreza is not much different in size from EVO which has USABLE rear seats)
-Bi-Xenon headlamps?
-Similar current year STI pricepoint???
-Different turbo plumbing and/or FMIC (a la 2007 WRC)?

Also, since that press release about Subaru in general emphasizing on better customer service, will there be more reign on crappy dealer tactics and more oversight into their dealer network? The dealer I bought my 06 from is one of the highest volume in the US (in Colorado thats an automatic!) but there's ALOT to be desired on the customer service end, even in the buying process.

Oh, one more thing, how about delivering me world peace and infinite, pollutionless 115 octane gasoline for free while you are at it! :)

Nice summary. :)

Not bad for a 100k+ member eh? :lol:

ill probably get a 5-door sti in 2009/10

After going through EVERY post on the last old thread...all 1600 something of them (12 hour blinking light job ftl), I still have some questions, especially since there was very little real info in there.

Things known (from Unit's crypic responses):

-5 Door STI hatch ONLY (No sedan for STI variant).
-Sedan option for North American WRX's (NOT STI!).
-No park bench spoiler for hatch (yay!).
-No DSG/SMG yet.
-5spd man for WRX (no 6) and 6spd for STI.
-Somewhat Legacyish grill treatment.
-Legacy platform, but overall shorter and wider and taller than old Imp.
-Probably Dual-scroll turbo.
-No big STI weight gain.
-Double wishbone rear suspension.
-No standard BBS STI wheels though will be a (bigger?) BBS option of some kind.
-Framed windows.
-Some use of Aluminum parts on STI, more than other Impreza models.

Some of my own questions:

-Will there be a significantly more upscale interior (read: LGT or higher)?
-Nav option on STI?
-Non-blue interior scheme for STI?
-Leg platform hints at more interior room, more rear seat room? (Current Impreza is not much different in size from EVO which has USABLE rear seats)
-Bi-Xenon headlamps?
-Similar current year STI pricepoint???
-Different turbo plumbing and/or FMIC (a la 2007 WRC)?

Also, since that press release about Subaru in general emphasizing on better customer service, will there be more reign on crappy dealer tactics and more oversight into their dealer network? The dealer I bought my 06 from is one of the highest volume in the US (in Colorado thats an automatic!) but there's ALOT to be desired on the customer service end, even in the buying process.

Oh, one more thing, how about delivering me world peace and infinite, pollutionless 115 octane gasoline for free while you are at it! :)

Fixed.

Whoops, yeah I meant double wishbone, not multi-link. Still no more nuggets about it... guess we will all just have to wait out the 50 more days :(

Interesting summary.

-Probably Dual-scroll turbo.


Where did this come from?

Interesting summary.

Interesting or accurate?

Interesting or accurate?

Accurate.

Everything was accurately summarized except for the multilink suspension which was corrected.

Where did this come from?

It was mentioned in a thread as a possibility.

Interesting or accurate?

As far as I can tell it's close enough. Keep in mind that I'm not confirming or denying anything other than that list seems to be a good summary of what's been said/hinted at/rumored in this thread and others. Either way, the list isn't 100% accurate as far as I can tell.

Awesome.

I'm most concerned about the 5-door hatch being accurate.

With kids on the way relatively soon (hopefully), my 3-door R32 isn't going to remain practical for too much longer...

Awesome.

I'm most concerned about the 5-door hatch being accurate.

With kids on the way relatively soon (hopefully), my 3-door R32 isn't going to remain practical for too much longer...

Hopefully you also read all of this thread.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1214106
It deals with the STI body type.

That thread was surprisingly informative for something that started off so badly -- it probably should have been merged with this one rather than just being locked.;)

Hopefully you also read all of this thread.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1214106
It deals with the STI body type.

That thread was surprisingly informative for something that started off so badly -- it probably should have been merged with this one rather than just being locked.;)

Yeah, I just read it. It finally piqued my interest in the new STI. Not sure why it was locked...

Locked because it's a thread with the same image. It could be merged I guess. I'll read now.

Yeah, it's gonna stay locked. Nothing really informative or new in that thread.

Yeah, it's gonna stay locked. Nothing really informative or new in that thread.

Except the body of the STI is radically different from the 5-door Impreza in the spypics?:lol:

I thought that had been discussed previously.

I thought that had been discussed previously.

Unfortunately not with sufficient specificity or it would have been in Zaeroh's list.:lol:

Except the body of the STI is radically different from the 5-door Impreza in the spypics?:lol:

my best guess is if the new sti is different from the new hatched wrx/impreza.. the new sti is gonna be a hatch/fastback.. think mazda 6/previous gen saab 9-3 hatch

and to follow up on the locked thread.. since the next gen impreza is on the legacy chasis, i'm sure a subcompact is on its way over as well

^^Ack! Every Impreza has been built on a (shortened) Legacy chassis. AFAIK there is no evidence that the next Impreza will be the size of the current Legacy, thus requiring a new small car (not to mention that the Legacy woud also have to be enlarged).

^^Ack! Every Impreza has been built on a (shortened) Legacy chassis. AFAIK there is no evidence that the next Impreza will be the size of the current Legacy, thus requiring a new small car (not to mention that the Legacy woud also have to be enlarged).
Indeed.

Can we take a vote on killing this thread too? My intent was to squash the other thread but this has evolved into its own beast.

Can we take a vote on killing this thread too? My intent was to squash the other thread but this has evolved into its own beast.

Why lock every thread that comes up dealing with the new Impreza/WRX/STI?

People are going to talk about it. People are going to continue to post random **** because Subaru, in its infinite wisdom:rolleyes:, has deemed it necessary to keep the facts secret.

Where else should the rumors go?

As long as they stay on topic (and remotely relevant).. they can stay open. Biggie's doing a good job, IMHO.

I'm too lazy to look right now. Isn't the unveiling this month?

I'm too lazy to look right now. Isn't the unveiling this month?
april the debut is....

^Yoda-speak? :)

I'm interested in it having better paint (looks like someone took a sandblaster to my 06... no joke, needs a full lower end repaint), more rear leg room and a smaller overhang in the front. Oh, and more power (or better power curve?), better interior, and of course better handling.

Although, like posted above, every impreza has been on a legacy chassis, this current chassis IS bigger. I'm sure subaru could get alot more room out of the car without lengthening it at all, especially in a hatch format. I'm trying to sell the wife on getting the car, and the current one, although 4 door and 5 passenger, has absolutely no room behind the seats for anything other than a car seat or a 5 year old.

^Yoda-speak? :)

Correct you are.