http://www.pandlmotorsports.com/images/30r_93_octane_dyno_plot.jpg
93 Octane, 19 PSI

http://www.pandlmotorsports.com/images/30r_100_octane_dyno_plot.jpg
100 Octane 24PSI

http://www.pandlmotorsports.com/images/30r-100-93_composite.jpg
93 and 100 octane composite


P&L .63 A/R GT30R kit, Stock motor, Spearco TMIC, TBE, Accessport, that's it..

http://pandlmotorsports.com/osCommerce/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_378_382 <- Kit details for those interested.

-Jorge

At first I almost **** myself when I saw the price of the kit, but then I looked at everything included. Not too bad :)

Nice setup mang. Sucky scans though ;) :p

Will you be selling the kit as up/downpipes, intake and turbo in the near future?

man, that thing reallly comes to life on high octane... like.. a lot

man, that thing reallly comes to life on high octange... like.. a lot

At 21.5 PSI it was making in the 370's, but the owner insisted on a nice tune on 93. Needless to say, the 100 horsepower difference is kinda cool. :) Once Cobb comes out with the upgraded map sensor capabilities on the Protuner/AP, we'll be doing a leaded map for him and crank it a touch. But he wants the stock motor to last for a bit.

As for the individual sale of parts, not too sure. We'll see. The goal is to have at least 5 hardware kits on the shelf by 04/01. We'll see though.

-Jorge

That's the most stealth TMIC that I've ever (not) seen in the pic! And a reverse intake mani nonetheless! :)

A problem with selling just the whole enchilada is those of us that might be interested that already have some of the stuff. Plus what about self-install?

I was all set to go with the FMIC and keep my green setup. This has peaked my interest though, and I wouldn't have to hack up the front of my car.

Frank

That's the most stealth TMIC that I've ever (not) seen in the pic! And a reverse intake mani nonetheless! :)

A problem with selling just the whole enchilada is those of us that might be interested that already have some of the stuff. Plus what about self-install?

I was all set to go with the FMIC and keep my green setup. This has peaked my interest though, and I wouldn't have to hack up the front of my car.

Frank

Yeah, that's actually a generic picture of our 35R kit. I need to get an updated picture of the 30R setup actually (non flipped mani on a TMIC). Good catch though Frank. :lol:

EDIT: To the same token, once we actually have the hardware kits on the shelf and we can micro manage the costs involved we'll sell the individual hardware kits for user installations. "Tentative" retail pricing is going to be $3599. Obviously we haven't decided if we're doing an initial discount to get the kits in peoples hands, but that's a very real possability.

-Jorge

P&L .64 A/R GT30R kit, Stock motor, Spearco TMIC, TBE, Accessport, that's it..



-Jorge


i assume you guys are using the stock injectors?

i assume you guys are using the stock injectors?

Check the link posted to the kit details; it includes injectors.

i assume you guys are using the stock injectors?

Joking, right?

http://www.pandlmotorsports.com/~pandlmot/osCommerce/catalog/images/30-35r_kit.jpg
where's the 30r? where's the topmount? reverse mani? lol
does the picture on the page have anything in common with the kit you're selling?

http://www.pandlmotorsports.com/~pandlmot/osCommerce/catalog/images/30-35r_kit.jpg
where's the 30r? where's the topmount? reverse mani? lol
does the picture on the page have anything in common with the kit you're selling?

Sorry about that, check out post # 7 for details.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Once Cobb comes out with the upgraded map sensor capabilities on the Protuner/AP

Iiiiiinteresting... is this going to be something like UTEC SD?

Great job. P&L just keeps getting better and better. Keep up the good work. I will be seeing you again in a couple of months.

wow decent number considering the price... includes install and tuning so its not really too bad at all

nice numbers guys! Is this a 2.0L or 2.5? Im assuming a 2.5. who has a 2.0l anymore....hahaha
-nick

Is the 93 octane knock limited to 19psi or is that just uber-conservative?

why could you only make 311 when you tuned matts 30r?????? after telling him his utec was bad????,and still did not tune after he did the cobb???? but he was able to make a tune on his own with the bad utec.,and even more on open ecu. hmmm i think i will steer away

somebody is pissed ^^^^^^^^^^

Me no understand reverse mount turbo with TMIC :huh:

Yeah? How is that gonna have enough space with a TMIC?

does your ewg plumb back into the exhaust or not?

1st off. Let me grab the camera tommorow and take it in. I'll take pictures that show our 35R and 30R kits in standard rotation orientations.

The picture above is the picture of our reverse manifold 35R kit.

;) Yes, I need to update it. :lol:

Anyways. 1st off, on the AP. Soon there will be boost control setup for various AEM map sensors, removing a ~24 PSi limit that's in effect now.

Speed density, well.. I can't officially comment on that. ;)

Nick: it was on a 2006 STI.

The 93 was just conservative. Owners request. I figure, if I REALLY wanted to push it (something I'm not exactly known for on pump gas) it's a high 300's car on 93.

Did I miss anything?

EDIT: Oh yeah... the EWG dumps to atmosphere. Might be a coincidence, but I've always seen more power dumping then plumbing (for obvious reasons).

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

tiny turbine and it shows...would like to see how a larger a/r does...

tiny turbine and it shows...would like to see how a larger a/r does...

Hope on IWSTI and look for 30R in the forums. There's an interesting conversation over there about .82 and .63 comparisons that's pretty enlightening. I've played with a few .82's and I think the difference will really show above 25 PSI. But from what I've personally seen, and now read. The differences under 24 PSI are pretty pointless.

On a stock motor, at least IMO, there's no need to try and get that much power out of it unless you want to cast reliability to the wind, OR simply detune the car to try and limit stuff like torque rises, etc... you know, the stuff that rips rods in half.

Besides... a stage 2 STI fully tuned spools up to say 300 lb/ft of torque around 3000-3100 RPM. By comparison, if you look at the 93 plot, this has done it about 300 RPM after.

300 RPM of lag... 150 more HP. That's a street car...

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

nice work.

Besides... a stage 2 STI fully tuned spools up to say 300 lb/ft of torque around 3000-3100 RPM. By comparison, if you look at the 93 plot, this has done it about 300 RPM after.


are you looking at the same plot i am? :huh:

http://www.pandlmotorsports.com/images/30r_93_octane_dyno_plot.jpg

this looks to me like 300ftlbs occurs at 4400 rpms.

:confused:

are you looking at the same plot i am? :huh:

this looks to me like 300ftlbs occurs at 4400 rpms.

:confused:

Look closer Ken, it's very faint, but at about 3300 RPM, it's there. Pretty steep slope, then it fades away after the peak. Maybe Jorge can get a better scan. You're right about 4400RPMS, but thats HP, not torque.

Sorry about that Ken. I'll grab the actual DRF file and do a .gif export in WinPEP and post that (no scan required).

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Check out the main post for an updated composite plot.

-Jorge

ok guys, i see it now. :)

nice work

sick.
if only i had money.

Looks great to me. I'm really excited to get this done. I signed up for it (with P&L) when I had an '04 but upgraded to an '07 so I've been waiting for the '07 AP to come around. I see it's out now and I'm waiting for a call/email back from Rich.

Jorge, have you done any '07s yet? Also, 93 octane seems to be harder & harder to find in the Twin Cities, what differences should I expect with 92 or 91?

Looks great to me. I'm really excited to get this done. I signed up for it (with P&L) when I had an '04 but upgraded to an '07 so I've been waiting for the '07 AP to come around. I see it's out now and I'm waiting for a call/email back from Rich.

Jorge, have you done any '07s yet? Also, 93 octane seems to be harder & harder to find in the Twin Cities, what differences should I expect with 92 or 91?

Hey bud, Rich no longer works here. If you have any questions don't hesitate to give us a call at the shop.

As for '07's. None yet. We have some employees with '07's, so we'll be working on those. But I highly doubt it'll be much different then any other STI. ECU changes and all.

Hope to work with you soon!

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Thanks. Just finished setting it up, see you in April.

Yeah, that's actually a generic picture of our 35R kit. I need to get an updated picture of the 30R setup actually (non flipped mani on a TMIC). Good catch though Frank. :lol:

EDIT: To the same token, once we actually have the hardware kits on the shelf and we can micro manage the costs involved we'll sell the individual hardware kits for user installations. "Tentative" retail pricing is going to be $3599. Obviously we haven't decided if we're doing an initial discount to get the kits in peoples hands, but that's a very real possability.

-Jorge

Interested :D w/ 0.86 35R snail ;)

what does "not for highway use" mean?

It usually means that it is catless.

really interested to see some pics of teh kit with the TMIC.

how does a TMIC not get anally raped with heatsoak from this turbo?

really interested to see some pics of teh kit with the TMIC.

how does a TMIC not get anally raped with heatsoak from this turbo?

It's incredible how well things work when you're not running them out of their efficiency range. It also helps that we're using what is arguably the best TMIC on the planet.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

nice job and awesome numbers we will talk mor about this at suby evo dyno day thanks, Dan

this was probably already said, but are you going to be making 40r kits aswell?

It's incredible how well things work when you're not running them out of their efficiency range. It also helps that we're using what is arguably the best TMIC on the planet.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com (http://www.ProjectWRX.com)

Do you guys have any pics or specs of your TMIC? When will it be available to the public?

Thanks,

Nilesh

Do you guys have any pics or specs of your TMIC? When will it be available to the public?

Thanks,

Nilesh

We use Spearco cores for our A/W kits, and their WRX TMIC for our TMIC options.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

This kit makes me wana go buy a new suby as a daily driver. Nice numbers.


TERRY...

ok were are you guys located and how long to do it and you say full install and parts is $6,899.95

ok were are you guys located and how long to do it and you say full install and parts is $6,899.95

www.pandlmotorsports.com

We're outside of Chicago.

Give us a call to talk about it. I definately don't want to vend in this forum.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

do you ever plan on making anything for the leggies ?

Have you guys experienced any of the idle/stalling problems that a lot of people have with other rotated kits?

Have you guys experienced any of the idle/stalling problems that a lot of people have with other rotated kits?

With our 780cc injector kit and CAI option (relocates the housing in the fender), no. Momentary hunt when a fan comes on (for about a second) but other then that no dying. Even then, the hunting is a simple matter of spending more time dialing in the intake calibration profile.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Thread Back from the dead, we need an E-85 versus that 100 octane graph Im sure people will be surprised come on jorge. It is going to be everywhere soon lets see it.

Back from the dead we need an E-85 versus that 100 octane graph Im sure people will be surprised come on jorge. It is going to be everywhere soon lets see it.

:confused:

-Ty

Why confused? Any questions I can help with. Its ethanol mixed with a little gas... I made 360 wheel torque on an 18g. Now I am looking "hard" at this kit you guys have designed. I know you have e85 as when I was at the shop I arrived early and drove around for 3 hours, remember me lol. Yeah alcohol really high octane aren't you guys trying to sell these kits to everyone, not just gasoline,vp,And Q users... Come on Jorge! Do it, Do it, Do it.

Honestly, my biggest thing is the inconsistency of the fuel, and (frankly) the ignorance of the average consumer who thinks its just pump and go. There are a LOT of things you take for granted (ohhhh... starting the car when cold. Ohhhhh... E85 vs E70) that will simply lead to headache and heartache.

There is a time and place for it, and we're slowly doing them, but we're making sure the END USER is ready for the responsibility... Because I don't want to hear one whine or moan when someone has an issue, or the car blows up!

-Jorge

Thats cool I figured when I get your kit I will let you know how it goes! I don't drive my race car in the winter... but some love it so I can see how that is...Mine starts in cold weather though. You can push the timing way past max power gains and still have ZERO knock its good stuff... burns cool, knock resistant,cheap racegas. E 85 might put methanol kits out of the picture...it does the same job.The problem is getting enough fuel through the rails lol. Great Looking kit Cant wait to pick one up...KEEP up the GREAT products/service guys!