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you have me raptly attentive and very curious about this product.

i've followed the e85 thread since june of last year and based on my reading..
i blend e85 to 30% in my stock saabrx and love it, talked members of my team into trying it(00 b18obd1 swapped civic, 02 supercharged rsx-s) with happy results. we all love the power gains with minimal mileage loss/cost ratio. ;-)

if this additive would allow me to use more e85 blend or a e85 only in my saabaru that would be splacktacular, or with a minimal mod of the higher flowing walbro fuel pump that would be nifty.

living in extremely hot summers of the nevada desert i notice a power decrease when ambient outside weather temps get above 110. ive considered the sti injection just for cooling purposes alone..........

if use of the mms = more e85, and better fuel economy out of my saabrx.....ill pick some up to give it a shot..... we're all curious to know what the deal with this stuff is all about .

keep up the awesome work and let us know when a plausible release date would be so that we can beta/acedyno test the mms for ourselves.

cheers
david

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so before i get interested, how expensive is this stuff?

rbr...

This sounds really interesting and as I have an e85 station just down the street, I am really thinking about upgrading my fuel system to take advantage of that situation. Problem is, I'd have to tune myself as there isn't a tuner anywhere within like 2 days drive from here meaning I'd also have to afford a wb02 which I can't atm.

Would this stuff allow us 2.0 guys to run e85 with stock injectors or would that be pushing things a bit? I know we can go up to around 30% with stock stuff as is so was just curious.

I know some folks around here were playing with Acetone but that was with regular fuel. Some saw up to a 30% increase in mileage.

It was supposed to break up the surface tension of the gas and all it to better atomize and more completely cumbust causing the front O2 to suddenly start reading more rich. As time goes on and closed loop tuning adapts to take advantage of the front O2 constantly seeing things too rich the fuel and ignition maps adapt and give you much better gas mileage.

I wonder if it works for Ethanol as well.

I was at a car show about a year ago and there was a booth set up with an older couple selling an additive that boasted some of the same properties as what basic Acetone does. Except they were selling bottles for $35-$55 that were "Super Concentrated".

Can you confirm that this product is not just simple nail polish remover?

Brad

rbr...

The 1991 Subaru Legacy was incredibly lean under normal conditions with a 50/50 mix of ethanol and gas. With a dose of this in the tank, the car ran cold, got way better gas mileage, and power was increased. I'm hesitant to call this additive "Flex Fuel in a Bottle", but the analogy isn't too far from the truth.
On your 91 Legacy, did you re-tune the car? Or did you test your additive with no tweaking?

I am led to believe that tuning will bring out more goodness in your mix. :D

BTW, I have some idea of what you are doing. I have been studying hydrocarbon combustion for a few years, and everything you describe is possible with the right burn dynamics. I am very curious though why Ethanol enables this behavior, because lots of people have been trying this with gasoline for decades with no major improvement.

I didn't retune the 91 Legacy. If anything I just did basic maintenance. I'm tempted to throw in larger injectors for full E85 use but I'm just not there yet. Retuning would definitely bring out the goodness, as would an actual high compression motor :D. I think I could push 35mpg+ opening up the engine a little bit for better breathing.

I didn't retune the 91 Legacy. If anything I just did basic maintenance. I'm tempted to throw in larger injectors for full E85 use but I'm just not there yet. Retuning would definitely bring out the goodness, as would an actual high compression motor :D. I think I could push 35mpg+ opening up the engine a little bit for better breathing.

That's what I was thinking too. If your compound increases burn rate, theoretically motors can run a higher compression ratio without knock. That would be a great improvement over where we are now. It would be interesting to see what compression is achievable with MMS. :devil:

If your compound increases burn rate, theoretically motors can run higher boost without knock. That would be a great improvement over where we are now. It would be interesting to see what astronomical boost levels are achievable with MMS. :devil:

fixed, for us FI guys.... ;)

rbr....

nice vid. i especially liked the afterfire. :D

ken

ps you need a heavier table!

...rbr...

I feel like such a snake oil salesman with this stuff :lol:. I have some repor with you guys but anyone else thinks I'm nuts :lol:.

rbr...

rbr...

I feel like such a snake oil salesman with this stuff :lol:. I have some repor with you guys but anyone else thinks I'm nuts :lol:.I'll be honest, If I didn't "know you" from your posts here, I'd be asking you if your shop happened to be near Area 51.:lol: But this stuff seems remarkable, and I'm so far out of my knowledge base to even judge it on technical merits, the only thing I can do is judge based on performance. I'm hoping in time this whole thing opens up, and everyone and their mother can run tests, and we can get positive responses from everyone. While painful, I think the skepticism is good for the product in the long run.

...rbr...

you have a link to the thread?

...rbr...

I believe Revision was running 20psi out of a 16G on 850s with no additive.No, unless he changed something without telling me, he's still on the stock turbo and stock injectors, and had to drop boost to wastegate levels to run high ethanol. :(

FWIW, I'm running a 20G at 20psi and on E85 I am maxing out 850cc injectors. I'm not familiar with the size of the 30R, but thought it was slightly larger than a 20G... So maxing out 1000cc injectors on a 30R at 16psi does seem a little off.

I need to lean out my cruise and idle AFRs and see what kind of fuel economy I can get out of my setup.

Oops. Thanks. ;) :p

Have you dyno'd your car lately, BTW? Just curious.

I have not dyno'd it. The 350 WHP number is from when it was running E35. I am quite sure it's got more power now running on E85 :devil: but funds are tight (just bought a house and got engaged) so I haven't found the money or time to get it dyno'd again. :(

Here is another patent link on a possibly related patent, issued 3 years later. http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6736868&id=ESQRAAAAEBAJ&dq=5898560&ie=ISO-8859-1

It may be that serendipity had a part in story of this fuel additive.;)

A similar thing happened in my lab, a long time ago, when I was working on a fuel additive to make aircraft crashes a little safer regarding mist fire ball explosions.

I have no connection with this new additive, but I recognize a potential mechanism that can be researched and developed in a lab and tested in engines.

BTW the google patent search engine is about 10x better than the US Patent Office, because Google has more money.:lol:

...rbr...

I missed this thread until now. Unless I misread, you're using Mac-n-Cheese with E85 to make saltwater?

I missed this thread until now. Unless I misread, you're using Mac-n-Cheese with E85 to make saltwater?:lol: :lol: :lol:

I missed this thread until now. Unless I misread, you're using Mac-n-Cheese with E85 to make saltwater?

You should be in OT ;) :lol: :lol: :lol: :D

I played with Oxytane and a full blend of E85 in my Murray self propelled mower this weekend. It ran fine with no adjustments, even on E85. It bogged on E85 so I juiced it.

I had to walk briskly behind it to keep up. It was like a damn cartoon. The funny part was hitting a nice little Colorado granite rock and shredding it like mulch. The blade looked okay, but that rock became gravel.

"Arrgghh arrgggh arrrrgghhh!"

-Tim Allen