Well I just got back from the track and i am impressed with my results. Car was pushing 17PSI on 110 race gas. I could not get traction through first and part of second gear. I know my car has a high 11 second pass in her if I could get some traction and get rid of the wheel hop. This is on a ej257 hybrid wiht a usdm sti 6 speed tranny. Let me know what you guys think. My first passes were NO TRACTION INTO THIRD and i ran 13.44 at 111MPH. so the trap shows it all! ENJOY THE VIDEO! Oh yeah I forgot to add the 60ft was 2.1 on the 12.9 pass

http://www.zippyvideos.com/5606925716776236/20070317130448/

Even on a good launch I don't see you into the 11s.

I do! You have no idea how bad it was spinning. cmon now 2.1 60ft

dude i even hit 111MPH at 13.4 with a 2.5 60ft. If thats not a 11second pass i dunno what is. It Defiantly has a high 11 in her.

Not enough trap speed for 11's my friend.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=959316

Check those times out^, you are going to need prob atleast 115mph traps and a launch from hell to break 11's.

k i guess we will just have to see next weekend.

3800ft elevation
hobbs, nm

.6256----- reaction
2.1388----- 60ft
5.6980----- 330ft
8.5201----- 1/8 ET
88.11----- 1/8 MPH
10.9318----- 1000 ET
12.9540----- 1/4 ET
111.75----- 1/4 MPH

.8019----- reaction
2.5410----- 60ft
6.2435----- 330ft
9.0702----- 1/8 ET
88.18----- 1/8 MPH
11.4810----- 1000 ET
13.4999----- 1/4 ET
111.94----- 1/4 MPH

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTQ4MzMzNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

This is someone with a 2005 sti hitting 12.9 at 103. I hit a 13.4 at 111 and 12.9 at 111 so THe way I figured I can get into the 11's

60-ft times usually don't affect trap speeds. I think it would be good for low 12's with a 1.6x 60-ft time. Turn up the boost! :devil:

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This is someone with a 2005 sti hitting 12.9 at 103. I hit a 13.4 at 111 and 12.9 at 111 so THe way I figured I can get into the 11's

Nope, your only picking up 24mph in the back 1/8...sorry dood you need more power to break 11's.

My stock turbo sti on 100ct went 12.49@109.7 with a 1.69 60'...i am picking up 23mph in back 1/8. Thats about as good as my car is going do...and i doubt yours will do much, if any, better...atleast on the power its making currently.

Needs more boost

well you guys maybe right. I prolly will tune it up a lil better. on 20psi and a better tune I should hit a high 11. A/f ratios were in the 10.8 to 11.8 range. and timing was at redline 24 degrees. I also am running a stock intake and a aftermarket TMIC with a 2" charge pipe. so go figure.

Switch over to a FMIC and that might help a little too. Heak soak has to be a little bit of a problem.

what holset.. i mean... they're like garrett they don't just make one turbo

111 is a 12.4 car all day, high 11s good luck

Still a fast car if it only runs low 12s IMO, next time the track will be better hopefully. Work on those 60', goodluck

What turbo?

111 is a 12.4 car all day, high 11s good luck


Im not gonna argue all day on here cause thats just retarded. I am happy with it and in my opinion on 20psi and a little more modifications to the engine and tune i should hit an 11. I am running a hx35 with a 46mm gate and a twin scroll gpmoto twin scroll header.

yah I do believe a 111MPH trap speed is a low 12. However I think I can tune her more aggressively and also change some intake stuff up and do A LOT better. I mean I am running a stock intake on a turbo that has a 4" inlet LOL. I think thats pretty impressive.

forgot to add this time slip in. was like my slowest run for the day. I picked up 24.03mph from the 1/8th. I felt bad about my car since i posted the time it ran and found out its only enough for a low 12. then i had to go spank a neon to feel better :(


.5807----- reaction
2.5294----- 60ft
6.2687----- 330ft
9.1244----- 1/8 ET
87.63----- 1/8 MPH
11.5519----- 1000 ET
13.5782----- 1/4 ET
111.66----- 1/4 MPH

also there is a freind of mine with a 06 sti that runs a 13.3 @ 99MPH. There were also some guys pulling 11.7 at 112MPH. But I dont know my track sucks here.

111mph isn’t a quick enough trap to get into the 11’s even with a decent launch.

What I wonder is why you’re having such bad traction problems? You run a jdm 6-spd with a 20kg center diff which is a huge advantage for launching. What tires are you running, and what front-diff does that tranny have (open?). At 111mph trap it’s not like you’re running so much power the wheel spin is expected (I ran 110mph trap on a 330whp 2.0l for example)… Get your traction problems dialed in and you’re looking at a decent low 12 run to be proud of…

111mph isn’t a quick enough trap to get into the 11’s even with a decent launch.

What I wonder is why you’re having such bad traction problems? You run a jdm 6-spd with a 20kg center diff which is a huge advantage for launching. What tires are you running, and what front-diff does that tranny have (open?). At 111mph trap it’s not like you’re running so much power the wheel spin is expected (I ran 110mph trap on a 330whp 2.0l for example)… Get your traction problems dialed in and you’re looking at a decent low 12 run to be proud of…


I am running a stock 2004 usdm 6 speed. also a welded r160. tires are cheap and crappy offbrands. 17" sonar sport ns-1. i have not hooked my dccd up so its running a 35/65 split. I have another vid of one of my runs where I spin into third! no joke I will post if if you guys want to see it.

dude i even hit 111MPH at 13.4 with a 2.5 60ft. If thats not a 11second pass i dunno what is.
:lol:
quote of the day

got a mod list?

yah thats pretty funny. oh well.

More boost, and leaner AFR.

well after taking my intercooler off and looking at it i discovered that the inlet is only 2" anyways so a bigger charge pipe will do nothing prolly. I think its time for a bigger intercooler!

honestly, i would say keep working on your driving and get the best out of this setup before upgrading parts. With more power it'll be even harder to launch and get traction. Get your launching and shifting perfect so you can get deep in the 12's now.....THEN upgrade if need be. 111 prob isnt 11's territory, but its surely capable of a lot quicker than 12.9.

Props for going a different route w/ your setup and for tuning it yourself.

you are good for a 12.4~ with that trap

you are good for a 12.4~ with that trap

yup i dont get why you think your car is doing something spectacular? - it is running traps of a vf30 @ 20 psi on race gas on a stock ej20 with a stock wrx gearbox with stock exh mani, and no ewg

yea im not sure if 11's are going to happen with that trap speed. low 12's with good driving? sure why not

Yawwwwnnn!!! another guy with a 12 second car that tells everyone he has an 11 second car. I havent seen something like this in... a few days anyways!

:lol: ;)

Let me be the first to tell you... even when/if you do find enough power to run in the 11's... you will still need to find a driver to pull it off. With the passes you posted its clear you arent going to do it with anything less than 120+mph traps :lol:

Yawwwwnnn!!! another guy with a 12 second car that tells everyone he has an 11 second car. I havent seen something like this in... a few days anyways!

:lol: ;)

Let me be the first to tell you... even when/if you do find enough power to run in the 11's... you will still need to find a driver to pull it off. With the passes you posted its clear you arent going to do it with anything less than 120+mph traps :lol:

Who the **** are you *****! I will hit 11's all i have to do is turn the boost up to 30psi and laugh at your little remarks. Son let me tell you something else anytime you wanna smart off you need to know WTF your talking about ***.

yup i dont get why you think your car is doing something spectacular? - it is running traps of a vf30 @ 20 psi on race gas on a stock ej20 with a stock wrx gearbox with stock exh mani, and no ewg


and **** you too!

What Turbo:mad: :mad: :mad:

BTW ive NEVER EVER seen a vf30 on a ej20 pull anywhere close to that around here!

What Turbo:mad: :mad: :mad:


DUDE i posted it already HX35

Yawwwwnnn!!! another guy with a 12 second car that tells everyone he has an 11 second car. I havent seen something like this in... a few days anyways!

:lol: ;)

Let me be the first to tell you... even when/if you do find enough power to run in the 11's... you will still need to find a driver to pull it off. With the passes you posted its clear you arent going to do it with anything less than 120+mph traps :lol:


Always refreshing.:lol:

I trapped 118mph on a stock motor 18g setup @26 psi.

hmm need i remind you that a 18g is a baby compared to a hx35?

you know ive never caught this much **** in the built motor forum at all if any! I think cause this section is full of ricers whove not done alot of suby work before.

hmm need i remind you that a 18g is a baby compared to a hx35?

yeah its going faster then you with stock motor

and many other 18s have gone the same even up to 123 stock ej20 - welcome to 2001.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=749551

welcome to 2005

welcome again

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=753378

thanks for coming in today

td04 wrx's on pump have run your ET's

ok whatever what was the altitude and track conditions again? I dont care wtf you have to say about it. I know if they came to my track they would prolly be pretty disappointed.

you know ive never caught this much **** in the built motor forum at all if any! I think cause this section is full of ricers whove not done alot of suby work before.

or far less work, to acheive your times

ok sure

Get a ~1.7 60 foot time, that should help.

Jeeze this got pretty heated. But I have to agree that 11's look pretty grim for you. My 60' was a 1.7 the last time I went to the track but I still only ran a shi**y 13.6. So that should tell you that its not all about the launch, it helps but thats not all of what it takes.

you know ive never caught this much **** in the built motor forum at all if any! I think cause this section is full of ricers whove not done alot of suby work before.

lol.... my car is built quite a bit more than your is...

I was just telling you my track times from 2 years ago, and how it compared to yours.

I think my car is capable of a 12.3 on a 1.7 60ft as it is. I am also at 3661ft elevation. From sea level thats been proven 3 tenths on a turbo car. so a 12.0 at sea level. The tune isnt the greatest in the world either. Soo @ 30psi and a good tune 11's is VERY attainable.

Turn up the boost, and lean out the AFR...

20psi and the Holset is hardly breathing; I doubt you're running in the most efficient area of the compressor map. You need to run >25psi, and the turbo will wake up.

You probably need better tires, too. It would help with traction, and since you're running a 6-speed, I doubt you'll need to worry about breaking gears (just diffs and axles, ;) ).

Don't worry... you'll get it. You're just starting to tune out your setup, and it will take a little time to get everything right. You're turbo/motor combination should be good for 11's, but as everyone is pointing out, you can't claim 11's until you run 11's.

you are right rewt. Thanks for that. I am just starting out and I have high hopes. Once i get a better map sensor I will turn the boost up.

^^^Doing the same thing as we speak ;)

(TXS 45psi sensor + Enginuity boost-limit threshold increase)

If anything, the 6-speed is doing you more harm than good in drag racing, with its super-close ratios. Maybe you could sell it and drop some nice PPG's into your stock transmission? Half a second less in the 60' and one less shift might be the answer for your 11's. Not to be a downer, but there are guys on here with VF34's running 12.6 and 12.7's, and if there was a stock STi running 13.3, the track can't be that bad.

You could also work on the traction issue.

My other car went from a 12.5 @ 112 to a 11.43 @ 117 just by bolting on slicks. No other changes. Your trap can go up with all that tire spin.

The car has 11's in it as it sits with better traction and a little seat time.

Spinning through 2 or 3 gears is not very helpful. Fix what's holding the car back or it's only going to get worse with more power.
Then you will be looking at 120mph traps and a 11.9, when 120 traps should be low 11's.
I think it's a cool ass setup and it has 11's in it now. Now get them out and shut everyone up.
THEN turn up the boost and shoot for 10's. :devil:
Its much more fun to watch a 13 second car hook up HARD and do a great run then watch a 11 second car slide around the track like a greased pig and run 12's. :cool:

wow thats great to hear and I really thought so myself. I will try to get some good tires to hook up and i am gonna try it again at 20psi. See the holset is barley breathing at 20psi and thats stock wastegate presssure on it too. Thanks for the support and I appreciate it. good times soon to come!

where do you even buy Holset turbos at?

where do you even buy Holset turbos at?

Junk yards, Cummins diesel take-offs, Cummins dealers, turbo vendors, etc., etc. Same places you find most other turbos.

Who the **** are you *****! I will hit 11's all i have to do is turn the boost up to 30psi and laugh at your little remarks. Son let me tell you something else anytime you wanna smart off you need to know WTF your talking about ***.

http://moot.typepad.com/what_if/images/baby_crying.jpg

Does it make you sad that you ran 12.9@111 and I ran 13.0@101mph? Does it at least tell you something about your driving? :lol: :disco:

i agree with the tires and 5spd being good ideas to get into the 11's

with slicks and a PPG box you're right there knocking HARD on the door, possibly kicking it down

http://moot.typepad.com/what_if/images/baby_crying.jpg

Does it make you sad that you ran 12.9@111 and I ran 13.0@101mph? Does it at least tell you something about your driving? :lol: :disco:

:lol:

http://moot.typepad.com/what_if/images/baby_crying.jpg

Does it make you sad that you ran 12.9@111 and I ran 13.0@101mph? Does it at least tell you something about your driving? :lol: :disco:



Yeah it does tell me something. But nothing about my driving. Overall it tells me how good you can drive a car that cant spin the tires on a luanch is all :banana:.

101 vs 111 wow thats quite a difference really. it would take you a while to get to that even :disco:.

So while you can launch a car I will just pass you and laugh when doing it. All while my turbo is barely breathing compared to yours that is maxed out!

I do agree a 6 speed is harmful for drag racing and certainly is not ideal! BUT I do enjoy the 6 speed driving around. I will get soem tires and then try her again. gonna have to be in may though since my track opens then.

http://moot.typepad.com/what_if/images/baby_crying.jpg

Does it make you sad that you ran 12.9@111 and I ran 13.0@101mph? Does it at least tell you something about your driving? :lol: :disco:

Wow. So you bought a stock STI and ran a 13 flat with it and consider that an accomplishment? :lol: Yawwwwnnn!!! another guy with a 13 second car that thinks he is the best driver in the world :rolleyes: I bet you're the only one EVER to run that fast in a stock STI.

dukeduster, not bad at all. It's hard to get everything dialed in after so many changes to your car. You definately have the potential to run 11s with a few more tweaks. Good luck with it!

my stock turbo on my stock STi is maxed out huh? yeah that 14.5psi is a real killer! :rolleyes:

Boy you clearly know your stuff!

~v6

Wow. So you bought a stock STI and ran a 13 flat with it and consider that an accomplishment? :lol: Yawwwwnnn!!! another guy with a 13 second car that thinks he is the best driver in the world :rolleyes: I bet you're the only one EVER to run that fast in a stock STI.

dukeduster, not bad at all. It's hard to get everything dialed in after so many changes to your car. You definately have the potential to run 11s with a few more tweaks. Good luck with it!

Yes, I am the best driver in the world. No one has ever come close to my times, in fact after I ran that time they had a celebration with fireworks and a bouncy castle! Man that was great.

Wow. So you bought a stock STI and ran a 13 flat with it and consider that an accomplishment? :lol: Yawwwwnnn!!! another guy with a 13 second car that thinks he is the best driver in the world :rolleyes: I bet you're the only one EVER to run that fast in a stock STI.

dukeduster, not bad at all. It's hard to get everything dialed in after so many changes to your car. You definately have the potential to run 11s with a few more tweaks. Good luck with it!


Thank you! It was my first time at the track too. I am still getting use to the setup since its all new to me. A WAY step up from my vf22 2.0L setup haha. Hopefully I will get it all worked out!

^
Thanks for reminding me why I hate drags. Too many ppl like this.

Yeah it does tell me something. But nothing about my driving. Overall it tells me how good you can drive a car that cant spin the tires on a luanch is all :banana:.

101 vs 111 wow thats quite a difference really. it would take you a while to get to that even :disco:.

So while you can launch a car I will just pass you and laugh when doing it. All while my turbo is barely breathing compared to yours that is maxed out!

When I trapped 118mph... I ran an 11.8. I spun all the way through 2nd gear, a little of third, and chirped 4th and 5th gear. That was with a 6 speed too.

Yeah it does tell me something. But nothing about my driving. Overall it tells me how good you can drive a car that cant spin the tires on a luanch is all :banana:.

I think it just means he didn't buy his tires from the bargain rack at walmart...

101 vs 111 wow thats quite a difference really. it would take you a while to get to that even :disco:.

You know that the person who crosses the finish line first is the one who wins, right? Not the person who is going fastest? If you two had lined up next to each other, he would have been about a fender behind you as you crossed the line.

So while you can launch a car I will just pass you and laugh when doing it.

I'd hardly call it blowing by him. If you're expecting people here to be impressed with a 12.9, you're sorely mistaken. Get some better tires on the car and see what it runs. Do something worthy of some admiration, and you'll get it.

All while my turbo is barely breathing compared to yours that is maxed out!

I find it amusing how quickly you parrot something somebody said in this thread. You seem to be spending an inordinate amount of time defending yourself here... I would spend more time on getting faster.

Hey guys...I'm speaking from my own experiences at the drags, and he has a car that will go 11s, hell, my car has gone 12.3@108 plenty times now. My suggestion is learn to launch the car. Also from my experience, the spinning is not exactly your problem, its how your spinning. Some of my best 60's have come when I spin so much through first gear that I see smoke coming from the front fender wells by the time I'm going into second. Spinning is good so long as its not from side stepping the clutch. If you can get wheel spin with a mild slip then clutch lift, thats the spinning you want. Also, forget about short shifting "to stay in your torque curve", shift at redline I'm running a 2 liter, so I shift at 7200 in every gear.

Good luck with your set up, and don't turn the boost much past 22psi on pump gas unless your ready to commit to a motor build.

Later

Trey

Hey guys...I'm speaking from my own experiences at the drags, and he has a car that will go 11s, hell, my car has gone 12.3@108 plenty times now. My suggestion is learn to launch the car. Also from my experience, the spinning is not exactly your problem, its how your spinning. Some of my best 60's have come when I spin so much through first gear that I see smoke coming from the front fender wells by the time I'm going into second. Spinning is good so long as its not from side stepping the clutch. If you can get wheel spin with a mild slip then clutch lift, thats the spinning you want. Also, forget about short shifting "to stay in your torque curve", shift at redline I'm running a 2 liter, so I shift at 7200 in every gear.

Good luck with your set up, and don't turn the boost much past 22psi on pump gas unless your ready to commit to a motor build.


Later

Trey


Yah I cant really go over 20psi on pump. I run into a detonation problem. Its got a built motor already anyways. I am really afraid to break more axles but thats just part of the game. Once i get used to the setup im sure i can do alot better. My clutch slave cylinder was acting up that day at the drags too anyways. Clutch kept engaging real soon and sticking to the floor. I replaced it with the slave cylinder off the 6 speed and I can slip the clutch much much better now. Little more practice and some better tires will be the ticket.

Check those times out^, you are going to need prob atleast 115mph traps and a launch from hell to break 11's.

No way, on regular stock tires, in 95+ degree weather and a 35+MPH headwind with gusts in the 50's-60's i ran a 12.2 @ 111 on pump gas, and my car definately has an 11 in it. I believe if everything is perfect with a 111 trap speed you could pull it off, maybe not with street rtires but with some sticky street drag radials on all 4's it's definately possible with a 111 trap.

BTW to the OP, i watched the vid and it didnt even sound like you chirped 2nd let alone have no traction until 3rd..

<--- remembers when nasioc (Iclub) was a fun place to post...

**shakes head**


Thanks V6 and the rest of you for keeping the nasioc reputation alive. :(

No way, on regular stock tires, in 95+ degree weather and a 35+MPH headwind with gusts in the 50's-60's i ran a 12.2 @ 111 on pump gas, and my car definately has an 11 in it. I believe if everything is perfect with a 111 trap speed you could pull it off, maybe not with street rtires but with some sticky street drag radials on all 4's it's definately possible with a 111 trap.

BTW to the OP, i watched the vid and it didnt even sound like you chirped 2nd let alone have no traction until 3rd..

Yah in the vid its hard to see how it didnt hook up. I noticed this when i put it in the computer. I have the video to the 13.5 run and you can definatley tell on that one. In the vid I posted I had no traction all the way into 1st and also 2nd spun quite a ways. but I got traction in third no problem. But we are just going to have to wait and see what itll run with traction. If I get the 11 ill make sure its on video and post it up for v6.

Yawwwwnnn!!! another guy with a 12 second car that tells everyone he has an 11 second car. I havent seen something like this in... a few days anyways!

:lol: ;)

Let me be the first to tell you... even when/if you do find enough power to run in the 11's... you will still need to find a driver to pull it off. With the passes you posted its clear you arent going to do it with anything less than 120+mph traps :lol:



If this is the nasioc reputation then dang! He attacked me first. I do believe that I am the one who is keeping the nasioc reputation by trying new things with the ej25 and posting them. But to each his own and well if thats what he does is find people to hate on all day then thats not a good nasioc member to me. Instead of criticizing he could have offered me ways to improve my times. But that would be what a good nasioc member would do of course.

:lol: "I remember when..."

I remember being here years before most of you turd burgulars... In fact I remember fighting to have this part of the forum (PPB) created back in the day so you people have a place to currently insult me...


And just to continue busting your sensative little nuggets... I remember running 1 tenth behind one of the times you posted... in my almost bone stock WRX back in 2001...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4267&d=1003437286

3800ft elevation
hobbs, nm

.6256----- reaction
2.1388----- 60ft
5.6980----- 330ft
8.5201----- 1/8 ET
88.11----- 1/8 MPH
10.9318----- 1000 ET
12.9540----- 1/4 ET
111.75----- 1/4 MPH

.8019----- reaction
2.5410----- 60ft
6.2435----- 330ft
9.0702----- 1/8 ET
88.18----- 1/8 MPH
11.4810----- 1000 ET
13.4999----- 1/4 ET
111.94----- 1/4 MPH

:lol: :devil: Looks like you would be playing catch-up till well past the 1/8th mile... AGAINST A NEARLY STOCK WRX. :devil:

But heres a cookie anyways.

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Peter-Johansky/Chocolate-Chip-Cookie-on-White-Background-Photographic-Print-C12005484.jpeg

Nice runs, I used to hit that track all the time there. Very dusty track.

Never the less, work on your shifts and a little better of a hookup and you could see low 12s.

If this is the nasioc reputation then dang! He attacked me first. I do believe that I am the one who is keeping the nasioc reputation by trying new things with the ej25 and posting them. But to each his own and well if thats what he does is find people to hate on all day then thats not a good nasioc member to me. Instead of criticizing he could have offered me ways to improve my times. But that would be what a good nasioc member would do of course.

Yeah I agree... what a jerk he is! O wait thats me... :rolleyes:

Trust me buddy... it was your assumptions and poor attitude that got me going here...

The is the PROVEN power forum, not the "I ran a 12.9 so I have an 11 second car" forum.

If you had been drag racing for long you would know why this is a sensative issue here... In drag racing a tenth of asecond is a big deal... to assume you can easily shave off 9 tenths... is delusional imho. Can you do it? Sure. But not without something serious happening (driving lessons, more power, go to a track with traction, etc etc...)



Power is nothing without being able to put it to the ground.

Power is nothing without being able to put it to the ground.

+1batrillion
Spinning tires is wasted energy.

Thats why so many very capable cars run such crappy times at the track.
At Cecil I beat nice, capable cars by depressing amounts because of the way they were driven.
They stuck in my mind becuase I though they were going to be exciting runs.
A Z06 (405hp) that ran a 13.1(lhigh 11 capable)
And an M3 (last years model) that ran a 14.2(low 13 capable)

I hate seeing all these cars with high traps and slow ETs. Wasted potential.

Trapping 111MPH is nothing these days, a stock turbo STI on pump can do that. If your car was 300lbs lighter and you pulled a 1.5 60ft then we might be able to see a 11.99999 from you... Maybe your traction issues involve a diff going out or already is out and some cheap tires.

I was tuned for 25psi on my SZ55 on 100oct making 370/370 on a low reading dyno and I still never had any traction issues.. Hell I even turned up my boost to 30PSI and put in some 104OCT and still never had a problem

You have no idea how much an open center diff is holding you back. Your car is only spinning the rears. It's basically a RWD car at this point. Wire up 12V to the DCCD solenoid and flick it on before a pass and turn it off after the 1/4. This way you won't overheat the solenoid.

You have no idea how much an open center diff is holding you back. Your car is only spinning the rears. It's basically a RWD car at this point. Wire up 12V to the DCCD solenoid and flick it on before a pass and turn it off after the 1/4. This way you won't overheat the solenoid.


Thats more than likely another one of my issues. I will find a thread with info to hook this up. I think its just a 12v source for 50/50 but unsure right now. V6 I don't wanna start any more crap with you cause theres no point. Yah sure I hit a crappy 1/4 mile time and sure i may not be able to drive but let me get used to the setup.

fair enough. :)

I hate seeing all these cars with high traps and slow ETs. Wasted potential.

:lol: That's why I build cars and let other people drive them. On the track I am okay but on a drag strip I can't bring myself to beat the car to make good times. But I have seen stock motor STIs run high 12s with a gt35r. Then run an 11.6 when the driver learned the car. Same tune same turbo just learning the car. Of course the trap speeds were always in the low 120s.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1226848

Stock turbo is maxxed out huh? :lol:

~v6

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1226848

Stock turbo is maxxed out huh? :lol:

~v6


Well v6 seeing has that wasn't your car i wouldn't say much. However I was simply saying the holset hx35 outflows a vf39 without any problems. If you disagree with that then :huh:

it can outflow all it wants but if you cant get it to perform any better then what good is it?

Yeah it does tell me something. But nothing about my driving. Overall it tells me how good you can drive a car that cant spin the tires on a luanch is all :banana:.

101 vs 111 wow thats quite a difference really. it would take you a while to get to that even :disco:.

So while you can launch a car I will just pass you and laugh when doing it. All while my turbo is barely breathing compared to yours that is maxed out!

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Seems like every thread you post has to have a cute lil picture. I have not yet begun to unleash my turbo! after lookin in my logs from the run i made i discovered the a/f ratio was in the high 10's most of the time. oh yeah and one more thing The boost was actually at 17.4psi from my log. I was going from what my boost controller gauge said but the stock map sensor says it all. So lets see 10.8:1 a/f ratio at 17 psi on a holset hx35 with 12.95 @ 111mph trap speed is pretty nifty while spinning the tires so much. mind you stock wrx heads and cams. Track opens back up soon and v6 I will enjoy it.

So lets see 10.8:1 a/f ratio at 17 psi on a holset hx35 with 12.95 @ 111mph trap speed is pretty nifty while spinning the tires so much.

Your list of excuses keeps getting longer... just get faster and post again when you have something to brag about.

Seems like every thread you post has to have a cute lil picture. I have not yet begun to unleash my turbo! after lookin in my logs from the run i made i discovered the a/f ratio was in the high 10's most of the time. oh yeah and one more thing The boost was actually at 17.4psi from my log. I was going from what my boost controller gauge said but the stock map sensor says it all. So lets see 10.8:1 a/f ratio at 17 psi on a holset hx35 with 12.95 @ 111mph trap speed is pretty nifty while spinning the tires so much. mind you stock wrx heads and cams. Track opens back up soon and v6 I will enjoy it.

What are you logging with? I think the 8 bit ECUs have a boost reading limit of 17.4something...or is it 18.4something like the 16 bits too?


Also, what AF sensor are you using? The stock won't read lower than just about where you are seeing so you might be seeing actual AFRs of 8:1 for all you know.

Man....im not hating on you or anything like that....and i know my opinion was not asked for but this is my .02!!!! I dont think you will get 11s if you think about it...trap speed isnt a factor....its basically your 60ft! I hope you prove me wrong I really do man! Personally I ran a 13.00 at 108mph with a 60ft of 1.9....but like I said man I hope you prove me wrong and one of these day i might go to hobbs....I live in Ruidoso and go to Roswell and El Paso to the strip!

Also, who is your tuner? If you are having so many issues with your setup, maybe you should go back to him and throw him a beating.

I log with uti. I hope I prove you wrong too. When I race my friends 13.3 sti from a roll it isnt even a race. My car may not have 11's in it at 17psi BUT it damn sure has a 11 in it at at least 25psi. Im not making excuses I am just stating the facts. How come someone hits a 11.7 at 113 but i cant do it at 111 mph with a ****ty 60ft? thats what I dont understand.

i tune my own car and didnt have time to make a lot of changes to it since i was in a hurry

I log with uti. I hope I prove you wrong too. When I race my friends 13.3 sti from a roll it isnt even a race. My car may not have 11's in it at 17psi BUT it damn sure has a 11 in it at at least 25psi. Im not making excuses I am just stating the facts. How come someone hits a 11.7 at 113 but i cant do it at 111 mph with a ****ty 60ft? thats what I dont understand.

What do you mean 13.3 STI? You mean stock STI? :p


ps- see my above edit for another question I had for you re: A/F sensor. thx

13.3 meaning close to stock sti that has a boost controller and a downpipe. track here sucks but no one believes that for some reason. I would love to see v6 run his car up here and see what it gets. as far as the tuner remark oh well

I log with uti. I hope I prove you wrong too. When I race my friends 13.3 sti from a roll it isnt even a race. My car may not have 11's in it at 17psi BUT it damn sure has a 11 in it at at least 25psi. Im not making excuses I am just stating the facts. How come someone hits a 11.7 at 113 but i cant do it at 111 mph with a ****ty 60ft? thats what I dont understand.


DUDE im sorry but you cant just go around and ASSUMING S***! And sorry to let you know but those are not facts!!! What car ran an 11.7 at 113mph AND what was the 60ft??? oh and by the way...can you post your list of mods and/or pics of your car????

ok here is the car that did 11.7 @113 with a vf39.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1227797


Here is my mod list with prices (my first build)

Axis stage 2 2.5L block -$2500
Cp forged pistons - In Block
Wrx heads -freebie
Wrx cams -free
Sti shim less buckets -$250
Sti head gaskets w/copper coat - $315
Arp head studs -$180
Sti timing belt -$230
Tumblers completely deleted -$250
Denso Iridium spark plugs -$55
Gp moto twin scroll header/up pipe $600
Xspower 46mm waste gate $130
Holset HX35 turbo -$500
Walboro 255LPH -$120
XS power top mount intercooler -$350
Smc methanol kit $500
AEM boost Controller/guage -$270
AEM wideband -$300
UTEC engine management -$400
Perrin Fuel rails -$250
820 cc wrx/witchunter injectors $250
custom made Intake system -$130
GP Moto 3” down pipe -$250
Automatic driveshaft -$150
04+ wrx front axles -$135
Sti 6 speed transmission - $2,000
STI Shift knob - $30
Sti Short shifter linkage -$75
Stock clutch -$120
Stock flywheel -$120
R160 3.90 -$400
17” soduko wheels -$340
Unexpected extras $500 cams other gaskets etc.
Total cost $11,675

and here is a pic of the engine

http://myspace-304.vo.llnwd.net/01488/40/35/1488745304_l.jpg

i like the price list....wheres that car at?....i know some guys with a truck...and yea, blah blah blah...you sound like a 16 yr old ricer.

I log with uti. I hope I prove you wrong too. When I race my friends 13.3 sti from a roll it isnt even a race. My car may not have 11's in it at 17psi BUT it damn sure has a 11 in it at at least 25psi. Im not making excuses I am just stating the facts. How come someone hits a 11.7 at 113 but i cant do it at 111 mph with a ****ty 60ft? thats what I dont understand.

Your not stating facts ur making excuses. Why dont u tune it to 25psi then prove everyone wrong, rather than comparing other setups which are different to yours.

I took 119mph to break into the 11s 11.93 to be exact with a 2.0 60ft, remeber its not all about the power or size of ur turbo, but how u can drive it down the strip.

my 2c

I just hope you aren't self tuning that kind of setup with only the stock o2 sensor as your guide. Like I said, if you are seeing 10.8:1 AFR, that is probably about the limit of the stock o2...you might be running 8:1 AFR for all you know.

If you have a wideband, just smile and ignore me :)

I just hope you aren't self tuning that kind of setup with only the stock o2 sensor as your guide. Like I said, if you are seeing 10.8:1 AFR, that is probably about the limit of the stock o2...you might be running 8:1 AFR for all you know.

If you have a wideband, just smile and ignore me :)

If he was tuning with the stock O2 sensor, he wouldn't know he was running 10.8:1 since it just reads "RICH" in the UTEC logs below ~12.0:1. Also, there is no "limit" on the stock sensor... if you're not tuning for 14.7:1, it can't be trusted.

What are you logging with? I think the 8 bit ECUs have a boost reading limit of 17.4something...or is it 18.4something like the 16 bits too?


Also, what AF sensor are you using? The stock won't read lower than just about where you are seeing so you might be seeing actual AFRs of 8:1 for all you know.

Not sure what you are talking about with the 8 bit ECU. He has an 02 WRX, which is 16 bit. Later models are 32 bit. I don't think the bits have anything to do with how high the boost reading can go. That has to do with the MAP sensor.

If you log the corrected manifold pressure, it reads fine up to 25-27 psi (not sure which)

The stock 02 only goes down to 11.25 (ECU limits reading there). If he says the AFR is 10.8, then my guess is he is using a wideband, or just telling you the ECU target.

I tune without a wideband. As long as you have the stock MAF tube and haven't changed the MAF tables in the ECU, I would be comfortable doing this.

And tino, are you saying he needs to learn to drive well enough to hit the 2.0 60's that you hit on your 11.93@119 run? :confused:

Turning it up to 25psi and running better numbers will not prove everybody wrong. It will just prove that more power will not make a someone a better driver.

If he was tuning with the stock O2 sensor, he wouldn't know he was running 10.8:1 since it just reads "RICH" in the UTEC logs below ~12.0:1. Also, there is no "limit" on the stock sensor... if you're not tuning for 14.7:1, it can't be trusted.

I thought the ECU had a limit on what it could report during logging, like the manifold relative pressure limit of 18.4ish. I've been known to have been wrong before though ;/

Yah in my mod list I list a AEM wideband. I would never tune without it. Without a wideband my engine would already be garbage. When uti logs it reads from the utec which gets its boost pressure reading from the stock map sensor in the intake manifold. So the reading was from the map sensor in the manifold. I have heard the resolution from the stock map sensor is good to about 24psi. But i am not sure on this. So while my AEM truboost guage was reporting 20psi my map sensor was only seeing 17psi. The Truboost is t'eed into the BPV port. I think someone was asking me where the car was? Do you mean pics of the car with the engine or where in the usa? I am located in lovington, NM and here are pics of the car.

http://myspace-483.vo.llnwd.net/01422/38/47/1422477483_l.jpg

http://a200.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/24/l_caab31dc516ae516920c759d5d7b387f.jpg

This looks like a copy of all the arguements V6 and I had years ago. I am a little wiser and less retarded now. I have to side with v6 on this one. Duke, I went through your whole scenario in my 02 WRX and said all the same stuff you are. My trap speed shows I can do this and that, bottom line was I never did it. I had a rotated turbo, upgraded tranny, built motor, etc etc and I could only muster a 12.7@115 mph with all 2.0+ 60 foot times. It could have been an 11 second car, but not with me driving it. You can say woulda, shoulda, coulda all you want, bottom line is that its a 12 second car (high 12's at that) until you break that 11.99 barrier. I would suggest lowering your expectations and making little tweaks here and there and going back to the track and practicing. For your next time at the track expect to run a 12.8 or 12.7 and just practice your launch and 1-2 shift and try and get your 60's down. That way if you run a 12.6 or faster you can be happy, instead of expecting your car to be in the 11's and running a 12.6 and being pissed off.

Nice looking car. I like your reeeeeeeMz.

Quit arguing... and just prove it at the track. As of right now, I dont believe you.

Nice looking car. I like your reeeeeeeMz.

lol...:D

Not sure what you are talking about with the 8 bit ECU. He has an 02 WRX, which is 16 bit. Later models are 32 bit. I don't think the bits have anything to do with how high the boost reading can go. That has to do with the MAP sensor.

If you log the corrected manifold pressure, it reads fine up to 25-27 psi (not sure which)

The stock 02 only goes down to 11.25 (ECU limits reading there). If he says the AFR is 10.8, then my guess is he is using a wideband, or just telling you the ECU target.

I tune without a wideband. As long as you have the stock MAF tube and haven't changed the MAF tables in the ECU, I would be comfortable doing this.

And tino, are you saying he needs to learn to drive well enough to hit the 2.0 60's that you hit on your 11.93@119 run? :confused:

Turning it up to 25psi and running better numbers will not prove everybody wrong. It will just prove that more power will not make a someone a better driver.



Tachrev, i was pointing out that even if u think u have the potential to hit 11s getting there is another story. My trap should indicate that my car has a low 11sec time in it, however all i could manage was a 11.93. If i was a better driver then maybe i could reduce this. Thats all im saying, potential and reality are two vastly different beasts.

Tachrev, i was pointing out that even if u think u have the potential to hit 11s getting there is another story. My trap should indicate that my car has a low 11sec time in it, however all i could manage was a 11.93. If i was a better driver then maybe i could reduce this. Thats all im saying, potential and reality are two vastly different beasts.

I couldnt have said it better myself.

Tachrev, i was pointing out that even if u think u have the potential to hit 11s getting there is another story. My trap should indicate that my car has a low 11sec time in it, however all i could manage was a 11.93. If i was a better driver then maybe i could reduce this. Thats all im saying, potential and reality are two vastly different beasts.

Cool. I agree completely.

why a "400hp" front plate?

trapping 111mph proves you dont have 400hp lol.

(did i miss the +100 GTR emblem?)

why a "400hp" front plate?

trapping 111mph proves you dont have 400hp lol.

(did i miss the +100 GTR emblem?)


is that a fact? I didnt realize it had a "W" in front of the "HP". wheel horsepower or crank horsepower? theres A BIG difference.

You prolly missed the +100GTR emblem cuase your ricer freind stole it from your honda! :banana:

I glanced over your Utec thread regarding this setup. My prediction is that you well be re-living this....

http://myspace-483.vo.llnwd.net/01422/38/47/1422477483_l.jpg

...Very soon. :disco:

is that a fact? I didnt realize it had a "W" in front of the "HP". wheel horsepower or crank horsepower? theres A BIG difference.

You prolly missed the +100GTR emblem cuase your ricer freind stole it from your honda! :banana:

haha. you've proven yourself to be a tool, over and over again.

111mph trap speeds is ROUGHLY 300whp...figuring (GENEROUS) 25% driveline losses (its more like 20%), that still puts you @ 375chp.

how about you prove SOMETHING, ANYTHING!, before claiming it.

hell, my EJ207 has been "proven" to hold well over 500whp on the stock block, and coupled with a set of fat cams (Crower's), i should make easy 300-350whp, right? hmm. odd. ive never claimed the car "runs 11's", although there's a slim chance it could. i've never claimed the car has "400hp", even though, at the crank, it's probably fairly close to that?


get over yourself. all we're hearing is "blah blah blah im so much better than all of you cause i threw a Holset on my WRX wah wah wah its an 11second 400hp car even though i can only run high 12's wah wah wah you're stupid"


PROVE SOMETHING.

btw, i've never owned a honda. thanks though. had a B13 SE-R (track car), and the old beater was an SVT Contour. fun little car, considering it was a found-on-road-dead.

Duke-

Lemme try to help you out a little bit here man.

First and foremost, I will say that most of the ridicule that you have taken because of this post has been brought on by yourself. But please, instead of getting defensive with me, read what I have to say below. Hopefully you'll see why people are bashing you here, and maybe your car will run better in the process...

1. Did you post in the right forum?

This is the reason why I think you are getting slammed here. The forum is called "Proven Power Bragging". The people that correctly post in here are letting others know how well their setups have turned out, or, it's many of the tuners on here showing off their skills. IS this where you wanted to post the tag " Holset wrx goes 12.9 @ 111MPH"? If the answer is "no", then it would be a good idea to get this moved. Maybe in the 2.5L turbo forum. Ask for advice in your tag maybe, and let people know that you want to improve on your drag times. If the answer is "yes, I wanted to post here", then...

It's apparent to those that know what a Holset HX35 can flow that this is nary impressive. Anybody that knows drag racing will also see that the e.t. is unimpressive for the m.p.h. as well. To post a tag like that in Proven Power Bragging and to not expect people to slam you for it is silly. Even sillier is that you actually have 2.5L of built displacement, and 11k+ in mods that make "Holset wrx goes 12.9 @ 111MPH" seem that much more unimpressive.

The bottom line here is that you opened yourself up for the ridicule, and made it worse by trying to defend a setup that is obviously not optimized at all. Think about it this way: If I put a GT42R on my stock 2.5L block, with my stock 5 speed tranny (I have a Forester), stock clutch, axles, etc. and posted in PPB and said "GT42R Forester goes 13.4 @ 101", what would people think? They don't care that your turbo is 800hp capable, and frankly, they don't care if you say "well, I rolled it in 1st, second, and third, because I didn't want to burn out my clutch, and I didn't want to break an axle."

Moral to the first part of this story: Put an end to the "if i had or had done X, then my car would have done Y" B.S. It will drive you crazy and make for a very angry forum mob.


Again, I don't want to just slam you here and not try and offer some help. You may not be looking for help, but I'd like to see you go fast. I applaud you for trying to do something out of the ordinary with the twin scroll header, the diesel turbo, and the Sti tranny and what not. In fact, I think the twin-entry diesel app. Borg Warner S200 twin entry (along the lines of an HX35) is nearly the perfect snail for a 2.5L Subaru (revving to near-stock redline), so I like some of your thought processes for this build. Here's my advice though:

1. Get rid of the top-mount
This will also get rid of the hard 90 degree bend in the intercooler. You'll need more cooling power when you turn up the boost.

2. Get rid of the restrictive intake
This is seriously affecting the performance of your setup. There's no excuse for it.

2. Stop using the wastegate spring as your boost controller.
If I read it right, you weren't even controlling the wastegate with a boost controller? get this remedied, and if you can;t afford to fix your traction issues, go for a gear-dependent boost controller like the Dtec or AVCR.

3. Turn up the freakin' boost.
Many guys mentioned this. For what you have in the build, a MAP sensor change is chump change in order to realize this setup's potential.


if you are serious about the drags, but still want to retain the Sti 6 speed, then I would invest in some 16" or smaller wheels, some good drag radials, and practice, practice, practice. A good driver, as many people stated, is huge. You either need to become one, or find someone that can drive to get some killer times. the ppg+ five speed is the real key to killer drag times, but you may not want to go that route.

There are a number of other items I'd change with your setup (you have enough in it to sell the stuff that isn't helping you to buy the stuff that really will), but above is a start. I can elaborate in PM's if you care to hear my advice.

Good luck, and nice job so far. Get the small things rectified, search for help on here from those who know, and post back in PPB with some big-boy numbers... :devil:

EDIT: I just saw Jasper's info. and it reminded me of setup optimization. you don't see too terribly much of that in the Suby community for whatever reason. The Japanese tuners are notorious for setup optimization (check out a Mine's car or two), and many of us could benefit from following their design philosophies. Cams/port work, external gate, and a VF30 like Jasper's setup sounds like very clever parts optimization. Optimize what you have to work with Duke, sell the extraneous, add the necessary, and enjoy :)

Cams/port work, external gate, and a VF30

I dont agree with that at all. With the cost of cams ($500-$2000), the labor costs with having them installed, and the labor for the port work I believe it should be way far down on the list.

Yes it may optimize your setup, but it you are going to stay with a vf series turbo I think its pointless to do cams & p&p. With the $$ you will spend doing cams you can just get a 20G, green, etc and make more power for the same money. Your setup may not be "optimized" but you will have more power.

I guess a lot depends on installation skillz too. One of the reasons I wouldnt buy cams is because I would have to pay to have them installed, then pay to have my car tuned. But I could by a turbo and slap it on there myself.

I think many others feel this way too and thats why there is a such a small percentage of WRX/STi's that have aftermarket cams. Seems with honda's and evo's its one of the first things folks do, but with subies its a rarity. although the #'s are increasing with more people making cams and the prices dropping. its a lot different than when the jun cams were the only ones out and they are $2000.

I dont agree with that at all. With the cost of cams ($500-$2000), the labor costs with having them installed, and the labor for the port work I believe it should be way far down on the list.

Yes it may optimize your setup, but it you are going to stay with a vf series turbo I think its pointless to do cams & p&p. With the $$ you will spend doing cams you can just get a 20G, green, etc and make more power for the same money. Your setup may not be "optimized" but you will have more power.

I guess a lot depends on installation skillz too. One of the reasons I wouldnt buy cams is because I would have to pay to have them installed, then pay to have my car tuned. But I could by a turbo and slap it on there myself.

I think many others feel this way too and thats why there is a such a small percentage of WRX/STi's that have aftermarket cams. Seems with honda's and evo's its one of the first things folks do, but with subies its a rarity. although the #'s are increasing with more people making cams and the prices dropping. its a lot different than when the jun cams were the only ones out and they are $2000.
i understand what you are saying. I wasn't really talking about bang for the buck in this instance, just trying to let the thread starter to know that there are many ways to skin a cat, especially when there's over 11k in parts already on the table and someone that knows how to take the engine out for stuff like cams/portwork.

I highly recommend cams/port work cam timing - but as you said Phatron, it's less feasible on the boxer motor due to the complexity of doing the swap/work.

Duke-

Lemme try to help you out a little bit here man.

First and foremost, I will say that most of the ridicule that you have taken because of this post has been brought on by yourself. But please, instead of getting defensive with me, read what I have to say below. Hopefully you'll see why people are bashing you here, and maybe your car will run better in the process...

1. Did you post in the right forum?

This is the reason why I think you are getting slammed here. The forum is called "Proven Power Bragging". The people that correctly post in here are letting others know how well their setups have turned out, or, it's many of the tuners on here showing off their skills. IS this where you wanted to post the tag " Holset wrx goes 12.9 @ 111MPH"? If the answer is "no", then it would be a good idea to get this moved. Maybe in the 2.5L turbo forum. Ask for advice in your tag maybe, and let people know that you want to improve on your drag times. If the answer is "yes, I wanted to post here", then...

It's apparent to those that know what a Holset HX35 can flow that this is nary impressive. Anybody that knows drag racing will also see that the e.t. is unimpressive for the m.p.h. as well. To post a tag like that in Proven Power Bragging and to not expect people to slam you for it is silly. Even sillier is that you actually have 2.5L of built displacement, and 11k+ in mods that make "Holset wrx goes 12.9 @ 111MPH" seem that much more unimpressive.

The bottom line here is that you opened yourself up for the ridicule, and made it worse by trying to defend a setup that is obviously not optimized at all. Think about it this way: If I put a GT42R on my stock 2.5L block, with my stock 5 speed tranny (I have a Forester), stock clutch, axles, etc. and posted in PPB and said "GT42R Forester goes 13.4 @ 101", what would people think? They don't care that your turbo is 800hp capable, and frankly, they don't care if you say "well, I rolled it in 1st, second, and third, because I didn't want to burn out my clutch, and I didn't want to break an axle."

Moral to the first part of this story: Put an end to the "if i had or had done X, then my car would have done Y" B.S. It will drive you crazy and make for a very angry forum mob.


Again, I don't want to just slam you here and not try and offer some help. You may not be looking for help, but I'd like to see you go fast. I applaud you for trying to do something out of the ordinary with the twin scroll header, the diesel turbo, and the Sti tranny and what not. In fact, I think the twin-entry diesel app. Borg Warner S200 twin entry (along the lines of an HX35) is nearly the perfect snail for a 2.5L Subaru (revving to near-stock redline), so I like some of your thought processes for this build. Here's my advice though:

1. Get rid of the top-mount
This will also get rid of the hard 90 degree bend in the intercooler. You'll need more cooling power when you turn up the boost.

2. Get rid of the restrictive intake
This is seriously affecting the performance of your setup. There's no excuse for it.

2. Stop using the wastegate spring as your boost controller.
If I read it right, you weren't even controlling the wastegate with a boost controller? get this remedied, and if you can;t afford to fix your traction issues, go for a gear-dependent boost controller like the Dtec or AVCR.

3. Turn up the freakin' boost.
Many guys mentioned this. For what you have in the build, a MAP sensor change is chump change in order to realize this setup's potential.


if you are serious about the drags, but still want to retain the Sti 6 speed, then I would invest in some 16" or smaller wheels, some good drag radials, and practice, practice, practice. A good driver, as many people stated, is huge. You either need to become one, or find someone that can drive to get some killer times. the ppg+ five speed is the real key to killer drag times, but you may not want to go that route.

There are a number of other items I'd change with your setup (you have enough in it to sell the stuff that isn't helping you to buy the stuff that really will), but above is a start. I can elaborate in PM's if you care to hear my advice.

Good luck, and nice job so far. Get the small things rectified, search for help on here from those who know, and post back in PPB with some big-boy numbers... :devil:

EDIT: I just saw Jasper's info. and it reminded me of setup optimization. you don't see too terribly much of that in the Suby community for whatever reason. The Japanese tuners are notorious for setup optimization (check out a Mine's car or two), and many of us could benefit from following their design philosophies. Cams/port work, external gate, and a VF30 like Jasper's setup sounds like very clever parts optimization. Optimize what you have to work with Duke, sell the extraneous, add the necessary, and enjoy :)

I think this is by far...one of the BEST posts i have ever seen .... :) i applaud you sir

Duke-

Lemme try to help you out a little bit here man.

First and foremost, I will say that most of the ridicule that you have taken because of this post has been brought on by yourself. But please, instead of getting defensive with me, read what I have to say below. Hopefully you'll see why people are bashing you here, and maybe your car will run better in the process...

1. Did you post in the right forum?

This is the reason why I think you are getting slammed here. The forum is called "Proven Power Bragging". The people that correctly post in here are letting others know how well their setups have turned out, or, it's many of the tuners on here showing off their skills. IS this where you wanted to post the tag " Holset wrx goes 12.9 @ 111MPH"? If the answer is "no", then it would be a good idea to get this moved. Maybe in the 2.5L turbo forum. Ask for advice in your tag maybe, and let people know that you want to improve on your drag times. If the answer is "yes, I wanted to post here", then...

It's apparent to those that know what a Holset HX35 can flow that this is nary impressive. Anybody that knows drag racing will also see that the e.t. is unimpressive for the m.p.h. as well. To post a tag like that in Proven Power Bragging and to not expect people to slam you for it is silly. Even sillier is that you actually have 2.5L of built displacement, and 11k+ in mods that make "Holset wrx goes 12.9 @ 111MPH" seem that much more unimpressive.

The bottom line here is that you opened yourself up for the ridicule, and made it worse by trying to defend a setup that is obviously not optimized at all. Think about it this way: If I put a GT42R on my stock 2.5L block, with my stock 5 speed tranny (I have a Forester), stock clutch, axles, etc. and posted in PPB and said "GT42R Forester goes 13.4 @ 101", what would people think? They don't care that your turbo is 800hp capable, and frankly, they don't care if you say "well, I rolled it in 1st, second, and third, because I didn't want to burn out my clutch, and I didn't want to break an axle."

Moral to the first part of this story: Put an end to the "if i had or had done X, then my car would have done Y" B.S. It will drive you crazy and make for a very angry forum mob.


Again, I don't want to just slam you here and not try and offer some help. You may not be looking for help, but I'd like to see you go fast. I applaud you for trying to do something out of the ordinary with the twin scroll header, the diesel turbo, and the Sti tranny and what not. In fact, I think the twin-entry diesel app. Borg Warner S200 twin entry (along the lines of an HX35) is nearly the perfect snail for a 2.5L Subaru (revving to near-stock redline), so I like some of your thought processes for this build. Here's my advice though:

1. Get rid of the top-mount
This will also get rid of the hard 90 degree bend in the intercooler. You'll need more cooling power when you turn up the boost.

2. Get rid of the restrictive intake
This is seriously affecting the performance of your setup. There's no excuse for it.

2. Stop using the wastegate spring as your boost controller.
If I read it right, you weren't even controlling the wastegate with a boost controller? get this remedied, and if you can;t afford to fix your traction issues, go for a gear-dependent boost controller like the Dtec or AVCR.

3. Turn up the freakin' boost.
Many guys mentioned this. For what you have in the build, a MAP sensor change is chump change in order to realize this setup's potential.


if you are serious about the drags, but still want to retain the Sti 6 speed, then I would invest in some 16" or smaller wheels, some good drag radials, and practice, practice, practice. A good driver, as many people stated, is huge. You either need to become one, or find someone that can drive to get some killer times. the ppg+ five speed is the real key to killer drag times, but you may not want to go that route.

There are a number of other items I'd change with your setup (you have enough in it to sell the stuff that isn't helping you to buy the stuff that really will), but above is a start. I can elaborate in PM's if you care to hear my advice.

Good luck, and nice job so far. Get the small things rectified, search for help on here from those who know, and post back in PPB with some big-boy numbers... :devil:

EDIT: I just saw Jasper's info. and it reminded me of setup optimization. you don't see too terribly much of that in the Suby community for whatever reason. The Japanese tuners are notorious for setup optimization (check out a Mine's car or two), and many of us could benefit from following their design philosophies. Cams/port work, external gate, and a VF30 like Jasper's setup sounds like very clever parts optimization. Optimize what you have to work with Duke, sell the extraneous, add the necessary, and enjoy :)



Thank you very much for the constructive critisizm. I will definatley listen to your advice and appreciate it. I have been wanting to do the FMIC for a while now BUT havent really got around to it. Right now I am in the proccess of changing the turbo out to a newer design hx35. I had one from like a 95 now i have a 2005 model. There a lot of improvment to the compressor wheel design. I am also going to buy the map sensor VERY soon as well. As far as my intake I am going to buy the maf adapter from atpturbo for like 80 bux so it will be a lot bigger diameter. I think i did good at the track considering the following. first time at track with this setup, and all my restrictive items and low boost. Once again I appreciate the time you took to write out that post and will be PMing you soon. Thank you.

I think this is by far...one of the BEST posts i have ever seen .... i applaud you sir

hey thanks! I have a soft spot in my heart for guys trying the twin-entry diesel thing - it's definitely an interesting route to go.

Thank you very much for the constructive critisizm. I will definatley listen to your advice and appreciate it. I have been wanting to do the FMIC for a while now BUT havent really got around to it. Right now I am in the proccess of changing the turbo out to a newer design hx35. I had one from like a 95 now i have a 2005 model. There a lot of improvment to the compressor wheel design. I am also going to buy the map sensor VERY soon as well. As far as my intake I am going to buy the maf adapter from atpturbo for like 80 bux so it will be a lot bigger diameter. I think i did good at the track considering the following. first time at track with this setup, and all my restrictive items and low boost. Once again I appreciate the time you took to write out that post and will be PMing you soon. Thank you.

No problem man. I'll be happy to help you reach your goals, or point you in the direction of other people that can.

dunno

dukeduster-

Here's some constructive feedback for you:

Learn how to launch.

There is no excuse, and I do mean NO excuse for a 2.5 s 60 ft time. That will be your best mod ever. I've left traffic lights in second gear faster than that. Try granny launching it. :lol:

Dude you are making me look bad. haha i ran a 13.3 when i was stock without the boost controller or downpipe. And I ran ****ty again this last time cuz i havent raced my car in months and wasnt used to it haha but no excuses. but yea i agree with everybody else! i know you have money so buy the other crap you need to get a better time. and if you still cant get as good as you should, ill juss have to drive your car haha! but really buy the **** you need like an intake and fmic and some new tires. ive seen yours and when you leave those 15ft burnout marks that doesnt help either but goodluck and seeya later

Eh...lotta hate here.

With the ****ty driving displayed, there is no doubt in my mind that at 17psi he has more than 111mph in it. Personally i don't think at 17psi it's good for 11's at the 3800ft he's running at...but i certainly do at sea level.

Any more boost than that and you'd be dumb to think an hx35 can't get 11's.

You'd be surprised how little power you need to really run an 11 sec pass. (not consistently, but still)

Keep up the work man, nice to see someone running a different turbo...good luck with the car and turn up the boost:D