I got tuned at ICS today by none other than Junior. I have a 2.5 block with WRX heads and a full Crower valvetrain, FP 18g, FMIC, Injectors, Coolingmist alky, etc etc

We tuned 2 maps today, one on pump an d one on pump and meth.

Used a UTEC for tuning and converted to the TXS MAP sensor and used speed density

Pump tune was made conservative to prolong the life of my drivetrain (or so i thought)

we made 323.11whp and 312.73wtq @17 psi on 93 Winter Gas

second map was an alky map, we were up to about 23 psi, grabbed lunch, came back and then up went the boost to about 27psi

put down 371.5whp and 384.78wtq @27 psi on 93 Winter Gas and Meth

The clutch started slipping at around 5k on meth map where my peak torque was

Car feels AMAZING and pulls like hell until the clutch slips on the pump map, ill more than likely toast the clutch if i try driving on the alky map so next comes a clutch :)

Dyno graph will be up soon (either by myself or Junior)

-Justin

What tranny you running???
Sounds good About how much you spent doing the block swap and the headwork?
Any dyno sheets?

What tranny you running???
Sounds good About how much you spent doing the block swap and the headwork?
Any dyno sheets?

Stock WRX tranny.. :D :D :D :D

I will have the dyno sheets up monday..

wow nice numbers! i bet the car pulls so good, where do you hit full boost?

Very nice, would love to see a trap speed. I guess that other 400WHP (C16) Greddy 18G (T518Z) doesn't seem to crazy after all.

Congratulation for the excellent numbers. Is that a stock block? Are you using forge internals? Would be glad if you could post your mods along with your dyno chart and boost curve running 27psi.

What cam profile is that Crower? Care to talk more about your conversion to the TXS MAP sensor and used speed density?

^Crower Stage 3 cams, 272/272 duration, like a .500 lift or something ridiculous like that.

heads are stock. just cams/springs/retainers.

he WAS hitting full boost (14psi) @ 2300rpm when he got on it last time i drove with him.

i'll post my review of the car when i go for a ride today :D. then, this mofo is helping me pull my motor, so we can hopefully get it fixed in time for opening day @ NED (April 1st)

^Crower Stage 3 cams, 272/272 duration, like a .500 lift or something ridiculous like that.

heads are stock. just cams/springs/retainers.

he WAS hitting full boost (14psi) @ 2300rpm when he got on it last time i drove with him.

i'll post my review of the car when i go for a ride today :D. then, this mofo is helping me pull my motor, so we can hopefully get it fixed in time for opening day @ NED (April 1st)

full boost on an 18g by 2300? must be nice, i wish i could get it by 3000, hell even 3200, but mine kicks in round 3500

How is the idle on that thing? I have a 18g 8cm and wanted to go with 2.5 block swap, but I was worried about tranny issues but lets see how much your last.

i'd love to see a dyno graph on this one... i bet the area under the curve on your meth map is :eek:

Yea the car makes a sick POWER Curve... I bet another 15-20whp could have been put down easily.. As well as picking up the TQ.. I had to run very low timing coming up on boost. The car would slip really bad at like 25psi.. I have the logs of the car I will look them over and post peak boost ect... Im pretty confident we left alot on the table.. I didnt want Justin to have to walk home 200+ miles.. LOL..

WagonGGA - It's a stock WRX Tranny...once I come up with some cash that will change though, between parts and labor swap was just over $4500 I believe, next time around I wont be pressed for time and do it myself I hope. Car Idles great at like 1000rpm's when warm, sounds sick too, Cold idle is like 1700 and choppy as hell

Boostfed - Boost ramps up slowly cause I want my tranny to last, I'm guessing around 3k...I'll find out today :devil:

FerrariGTR - My mods are

-EJ257 STi Block
-ARP Headstuds
-Cometic Head Gaskets
-Crower Valve Springs and Retainers
-Crower 272/272 Cams
-Forced Performance TD05H-18g
-Gruppe-S 4-1 Manifold
-Ultimate-Racing EWG Uppipe
-Invidia Catless 3" Downpipe
-Tial 38mm Wastegate
-Ultimate-Racing 3" Catback
-TurboXS UTEC
-Walbro 255lph Fuel Pump
-Perrin Turbo Inlet Hose
-Perrin Intake Charge Pipe
-TurboXS Intake
-TurboXS FMIC
-TurboXS H34 BPV
-TGV Deletes
-CoolingMist Alky Kit
-TXS MAP Sensor


There definately is alot more left on the table, we made like 303whp @ 14psi on the FIRST map Junior made, I've had the Driver and Passenger experience in the car and holy hell its fast, Junior took me for a spin in it after and the 3rd and 4th gear pulls were pretty amazing on PUMP...I cant wait to see what it feels like on the Alcohol Map @ 27psi :lol: when I have a tranny and clutch we can tune for more than 17psi on pump Junior

The conversion to SD was very easy, I watch Junior cut my wiring harness and solder it on =)

-J

Very nice, would love to see a trap speed. I guess that other 400WHP (C16) Greddy 18G (T518Z) doesn't seem to crazy after all.

Not at all seeing how this is a TD05 7cm^2 18g that made 371/386 :D

Yea the car makes a sick POWER Curve... I bet another 15-20whp could have been put down easily.. As well as picking up the TQ.. I had to run very low timing coming up on boost. The car would slip really bad at like 25psi.. I have the logs of the car I will look them over and post peak boost ect... Im pretty confident we left alot on the table.. I didnt want Justin to have to walk home 200+ miles.. LOL..

Why Walk when I can take the Skyline Home :banana:

Good numbers, looking forward to seein the dyno sheets and trap times. Can't wait for NED to open up!!

I will prob. be doing a similar set-up once the ej205 craps out!!

:eek: WOW makes we wanna go out and swap my block for a 257 and build my heads... nice numbers and you could have gotten even more! Very impressive for an 18g with the boost coming on so early... props to junior nice tuning!

+1 for Junior. Nice job.

Junior def. knows what he is doing... Curious what he can make out of my Evo this year. Pruven failed to do anything impressive so we shall see what Junior can do for the Well Proportioned guy.

Car does run nice, but the Tranny will be left at the line with it being stock and the stock clutch. The torque will blow that thing up in 1 run.

If that wasn't limiting Junior he would have impressed us even more.

My car went in at 350+ WHP on another dyno. The base run on Junior's dyno was 303. Left with 370+ and up to 412 wtq on the highest pull, and that was with a boost holding issue still.

More importantly, the car responds much better, and gone is the rubber-band like response issue between shifts.

Definitely a solid improvement.

get anew tranny asap

Why Walk when I can take the Skyline Home :banana:

dammit! :(

get anew tranny asap

Working on it! Need to come up with like 4k though :)

That Junior guy is a decent tuner....or so I've heard.

dammit! :(

You should go brush the snow off of it :) thats like child abuse or something :confused:

Very ****ing cool man. :)

That Junior guy is a decent tuner....or so I've heard.

Dildo... LOL.. . Oh yea your trans is going to take another 4 weeks :D

Dildo... LOL.. . Oh yea your trans is going to take another 4 weeks :D

Wouldn't surprise me.

I'm kinda surprised my tranny isnt in the bottom of the dyno with all that coolant...at one point we were upto like 393wtq before the clutch started slipping...

^are you on the stock clutch?

absolutely :)

time for a new one :)

Yeah as you can see Nitsuj is not the brightest... Things going to blow up when he tries racing a 6cylinder mustang or my "stock" Evo.

Yeah as you can see Nitsuj is not the brightest... Things going to blow up when he tries racing a 6cylinder mustang or my "stock" Evo.

Sure I am...I didnt buy an Evo :D

I'll buy a tranny before I blow it

If you go easy on gear shifts and change your tranny fluid every 20k or so.......maybe a trans cooler, You'll be fine.

You should hear my tranny...it even sounds pissed...I absolutely need a tranny...time to start saving :)

Stock WRX tranny.. :D :D :D :D

I will have the dyno sheets up monday..

So I see you still can't tune to keep a clutch from slipping :lol:

So I see you still can't tune to keep a clutch from slipping :lol:

Tad.. were the FXXX have you been dude!

Tad.. were the FXXX have you been dude!

Workin buy Exit 4 off Rt78 for now. That and trying to figure out what to do with the WRX that is still sittin down at Precision :rolleyes:

dyno sheetz......

dyno sheetz......

Junior's slacking :)

Working on it! Need to come up with like 4k though :)


go ppgs dont make the same mistake i did by buying stock ones.

go ppgs dont make the same mistake i did by buying stock ones.

Buying stock what?

Junior's slacking :)

so many cars to tune, so little time...

so many cars to tune, so little time...

Pretty Much

Buying stock what?

Stock tranny, broke.....free with car
At first i bought RA gears, broke.....$2400
Then i bought 05 tranny, broke.....$1000

This could have been more than half my ppgs, so dont buy stock trannies !

Stock tranny, broke.....free with car
At first i bought RA gears, broke.....$2400
Then i bought 05 tranny, broke.....$1000

This could have been more than half my ppgs, so dont buy stock trannies !

whats the common thing that didnt break in your case............you
what mod should you have bought.........a driver

stock gears have lasted for many more than they have failed for

sorry...just tired of everyone ppg this ppg that....they are like 11 billion dollars and there are other solutions

I'm going straight to PPG's...I dont see how theyre not the best solution going forward

Stock Tranny = POS, no matter who's it is, how they drive it, just under 400wtq will annihilate the thing...period, I don't have 386wtq to drive like an old lady 24x7 :)

RA Gears, yeah theyre an upgrade, not much of one though

What do YOU reccomend seeing how you DONT like PPG's???

whats the common thing that didnt break in your case............you
what mod should you have bought.........a driver

stock gears have lasted for many more than they have failed for

sorry...just tired of everyone ppg this ppg that....they are like 11 billion dollars and there are other solutions


The one and only one way your stock tranny will last at above 300hp is if you have your stock clutch and you like the way it smells from you roasting it. :)

As soon as I put a streetdisk into my 2002 tranny, i was in the break in period when in crapped out on me. Mind you my car had only 11k miles on it.

For power, reliability and less downtime, ppgs imho are the only way to go.




..........now where is that sheet i want to see the curves, im planning on going to hybrid swap.

seriously, near 400whp/wtq out of an 18g? you lucky whores with your 93 octane.....

DYNO SHEETS!! :D

The one and only one way your stock tranny will last at above 300hp is if you have your stock clutch and you like the way it smells from you roasting it. :)

As soon as I put a streetdisk into my 2002 tranny, i was in the break in period when in crapped out on me. Mind you my car had only 11k miles on it.

For power, reliability and less downtime, ppgs imho are the only way to go.

just because YOU had experience to this effect doesn't mean everyone else will too. i'm tired of seeing you post about this, honestly. plenty of people have pushed the envelope on the stock tranny, with lots of clutch combos... hell i remember an 02 with 5mt and act street clutch going 10.91. that's a LOT more power than your 350. no problems there. as always, the driver is the biggest contributing factor to tranny problems. ppg's are nice, but not for everyone. and there are *always* other options.

just because YOU had experience to this effect doesn't mean everyone else will too. i'm tired of seeing you post about this, honestly. plenty of people have pushed the envelope on the stock tranny, with lots of clutch combos... hell i remember an 02 with 5mt and act street clutch going 10.91. that's a LOT more power than your 350. no problems there. as always, the driver is the biggest contributing factor to tranny problems. ppg's are nice, but not for everyone. and there are *always* other options.


I never said there where no other options, I said that in my opinion ppgs are the best way, unless you can get a 07 6-speed, with clutch, axles, mounts and driveshaft for cheap.

Stock clutch wont hold that much...started slipping bad @ around 393wtq, after that we never made that much tq all day.

I don't see why PPG's wouldnt be the best solution if you only want to do your tranny once, waiting for the "Anti-PPG" crew to chime in with a better solution.

My argument for myself is that I see just about 400wtq on an 18g, I'm planning on going bigger, PPG's are the only solution I can find to be reliable in this range, i don't want to have to worry about accidently letting of the clutch too quickly and stripping gears

-J

ppg ftw biatches

I took all the teeth off second with just a FMIC and a UTEC untuned and not a hard shift either. I thought about going PPG but that was way back and they seemed to be even more expensive then :eek:

I went and did the JDM 6MT swap and then broke my stock rear axles. I can say that the 6 speed is so much more fun to drive on the streets tho :devil:

Stock clutch wont hold that much...started slipping bad @ around 393wtq, after that we never made that much tq all day.

I don't see why PPG's wouldnt be the best solution if you only want to do your tranny once, waiting for the "Anti-PPG" crew to chime in with a better solution.

My argument for myself is that I see just about 400wtq on an 18g, I'm planning on going bigger, PPG's are the only solution I can find to be reliable in this range, i don't want to have to worry about accidently letting of the clutch too quickly and stripping gears

-J


Bigger turbo you go less torque you see more hp you make.

That's definately true, but even at this level of power my tranny doesnt like life :)

Oh def. needs to be replaced by something.

Junior, where's your shop? I'm building almost an identical clone to this and it'd be awesome to get results like these!

I took all the teeth off second with just a FMIC and a UTEC untuned and not a hard shift either. I thought about going PPG but that was way back and they seemed to be even more expensive then :eek:

I went and did the JDM 6MT swap and then broke my stock rear axles. I can say that the 6 speed is so much more fun to drive on the streets tho :devil:

I'm sure the 6-spd would be a lot more fun on the streets than the ppg's...but a lot more of a hassle, looking for parts and installing parts, than the ppg's even though the 6-spd can probably hold a good 400whp easy!

Still a dilemna to me...i can't decide!

Junior, where's your shop? I'm building almost an identical clone to this and it'd be awesome to get results like these!


Look up www.icsperformance.com. This will give you all the information you need as the shop is about 40 minutes northeast of new york city/George Washington Bridge.

come on man get that graph already!! you are slacking !

come on man get that graph already!! you are slacking !

If Junior doesnt get it up today, I'll scan it and post it up

That's definately true, but even at this level of power my tranny doesnt like life :)

If you are nice to it, it will last. I'm approaching 75k on my stock gears :).
First open drag day is the next weekend, so we will see ;)

If you are nice to it, it will last. I'm approaching 75k on my stock gears :).
First open drag day is the next weekend, so we will see ;)

Im nice to it generally (has only been launched 3 times when it was stock and i was launching like a *****)

I'm not sure what the noises it makes right now are, wheter its clutch or tranny, but it doesnt sound good :)

I'm replacing the thing before i find out the hard way...I want it to hopefully be a good core for a dogbox in like 2 years :D

your gonna toast that thing...make sure someone gets it on video :banana:

Junior doesnt get it up

man i always knew he had troubles but that's rough! :lol:

If Junior doesnt get it up today, I'll scan it and post it up

Just post it already...by the time he reads this and puts it up it will be next week.

Just post it already...by the time he reads this and puts it up it will be next week.

he is prolly busy playing video games

I threw it up on my forum, just a picture of it but you can see it

My Dyno Sheet (http://forums.neboosted.com/showthread.php?t=68)

(Feel free to whore out my forums too)

oh man, that drops off pretty bad because of that clutch, I had to look at your mod list again to see if you had an ewg, but then i remembered about your clutch.

oh man, that drops off pretty bad because of that clutch, I had to look at your mod list again to see if you had an ewg, but then i remembered about your clutch.


Yeah I definately have an EWG

The turbo couldnt hold boost for **** after about 23 psi either...you can actually see around like 5k where the clutch slips on the red graph

Regarding the drop off two posts above, is it the clutch or is it the 18g not being able to flow enough air at the higher RPMs? I thought the clutch problems would surface near the peak torque (the 5k point), not in the upper RPMS.

It really drops quite a bit, but great numbers in any case.

http://pics.02532.org/dyno.jpg

Good numbers man. I'm sitting at 352 hp and 362 tq on the stock 2.0L EJ205. Your tranny will live if you treat it nice. I've been over 50 11 sec passes and 5 passes with 4 slicks on the stock tranny and a 6 puck clutch. It's still alive. Never broke on me. Don't shift like an asshat and shock the drivetrain and it will be fine.

Congrats again.....now go beat my 123 mph traps.

It is the 18g not the clutch. The clutch gave the blip on a few of the charts... The fall off is due to the size of the 18g, it just can't push air up that high in the rpm's.

He should have gone with the 8cm rear housing, that helps up top, especially on the 2.5, it is running out of air up top. I made similar numbers give or take a few Hp and tq on a 2.0 but with 18g 8cm on 93 Oct.

how can it be so out of air on the 93oct map, it drops really bad from about 400 to about 200hp. There has to be something else it should at least hold somwhere near 400

...its a td05h-18g on a 2.5L motor. the turbine housing is a HUGE restriction in this case. a td06-18g might hold an extra ~ 20-30hp to redline, but even then, a 2.5L is ingesting a LOT of air between 5500-7000rpm's, especially with the big fat cams justin has. an 18g is simply TOO SMALL a turbo.

looks like im gunna have to go with a rotated 30r or similar to get the results i would like

it was once destined for a 2.0...that went BOOM

next turbo will be big enough....TRUST ME

Yea that turbo was way to small for the motor. Its gasping for air at 5500rpms..

I will post dyno sheets of a similar setup tomorrow except it was on a 20g and TMIC.

Justin needs a 35r... lol...

Yea that turbo was way to small for the motor. Its gasping for air at 5500rpms..

I will post dyno sheets of a similar setup tomorrow except it was on a 20g and TMIC.

Justin needs a 35r... lol...

I think next turbo is going to be bigger than that...youll probably hear about my plans at some point :)

Tranny and clutch first though

you need to make some "Junior-Tuned" stickers and send them to me...I'll ditch the NESIC ones for them.