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NYCshopper
03-20-2007, 05:28 PM
GM puts 'Super' back in Buick, plans to reinvigorate lineup

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-03-20-buick_N.htm

Pat and Mary Brooks of Marshalltown, Iowa, show their 1949 Buick Super "Woody" Wagon in this 2000 photo.
http://images.usatoday.com/money/_photos/2007/03/20/buickx-large.jpg


DETROIT (AP) — General Motors (GM) said Tuesday it is bringing back its "Super" line of Buicks, about 50 years after the premium models last were sold, as it makes broader efforts to reinvigorate the 104-year-old brand in the USA and grow in China.
Buick general manager Steve Shannon said the automaker soon will unveil the "Super" line, last used in 1958. For now, he said, it will include versions of the LaCrosse and Lucerne sedans.

"These vehicles will elevate in terms of design, power and performance," Shannon said during a presentation to the Automotive Press Association in Detroit.

The line comes amid a push of new vehicles, including the Enclave luxury crossover sport-utility vehicle in North America and the Park Avenue sedan in China, that Shannon says will help better define the brand — reflecting a focus on design, comfortable and quiet interiors, and quality.

"We think we can develop great products jointly that can do well in both markets," Shannon told reporters after the event, adding there aren't plans to build Buicks in China for the U.S. market.

After bringing out a fresh face for Cadillac and Saturn, GM is turning more attention to Buick, which traditionally is known for its appeal to older drivers. Longer-term, Shannon said there will be a focus on rolling out fewer — but better — Buick models to keep the brand profitable for Detroit-based GM.

Nearly all of Buick's new vehicle sales are in the U.S. and China. Buick's worldwide sales rose about 3% last year to more than 567,000 as sales in China jumped 25% to about 304,000.

Buick's U.S. sales, however, were down nearly 15% in 2006 to about 240,650. GM's effort to cut low-profit sales to rental car companies, as well eliminating aging models such as the LeSabre sedan, accentuated the drop.

Michael Robinet, vice president of global forecast services for CSM Worldwide, an auto industry consulting company based in Northville, said future Buicks will be designed to more clearly reflect the brand.

Robinet said GM has had success with its Cadillac and Saturn revivals, helping set the brands apart, and will carry those lessons over to Buick.

"They understand that the brand needs to stand for something," Robinet said.

As of last year, Buick still attracted the oldest buyers of all automotive brands in the U.S., according to an analysis by Power Information Network, a division of J.D. Power and Associates. Its buyers were 64 years old on average, compared with 55 for GM's Cadillac and Ford Motor's (F) Lincoln and Mercury brands.

Shannon said the average Buick car buyer is about 67 years old, while the average Buick SUV driver is about 53 or 54. That has its benefits, he said, because older buyers tend to be loyal to the brand and typically are more financially stable.

"Over time, with the products we have, we will probably get a little bit younger," Shannon said. "Getting younger is not an objective, per say."

With the help of golf superstar Tiger Woods, Buick has tried to reach out to younger drivers and golf enthusiasts. Shannon said Woods, who helped unveil the Enclave in person last year in California, will be a bigger presence as the brand's pitchman.

Buick models in the U.S. this year include the LaCrosse and Lucerne, the Rainier midsize sport-utility vehicle and the Rendezvous SUV, as well as the Terraza, Buick's minivan. And the Enclave is scheduled to reach dealer showrooms this summer.

GM plans to unveil a new look for the LaCrosse in North America later this month, ahead of the New York Auto Show.

John C
03-20-2007, 05:46 PM
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Kraziken
03-20-2007, 05:50 PM
I told my wife, that if for some reason, I ever start to have this craving to buy a Buick, it is probably time for me to leave this earth.

This quote says it all;

"Shannon said the average Buick car buyer is about 67 years old, while the average Buick SUV driver is about 53 or 54."

InvertedB
03-20-2007, 06:10 PM
Dig up the Grand National and make it fitting of its name, otherwise fold up and quit.

Hazdaz
03-20-2007, 07:14 PM
Be careful what preconceived notions you have about a brand. Never say never...

http://parkoffka.ru/media/4/20060110-11.jpg
http://www.caradisiac.com/media/images/le_mag/mag260/detroit-buick-enclave-2b.jpg
http://www.caradisiac.com/media/images/le_mag/mag260/detroit-buick-enclave-3b.jpg

mobilezen
03-20-2007, 07:20 PM
Don't know about a light burlwood dash trim and steering wheel....

Turn in Concepts
03-20-2007, 07:47 PM
Dig up the Grand National and make it fitting of its name, otherwise fold up and quit.

+12345

they had a good start with the blackhawk, but that died pretty quick.

WRXBob
03-20-2007, 10:21 PM
GM managements thinking is still lingering some where in the 50's. And when market share forces them to do some thing drastic, they come up with some artificial quick fixes like port hole vents on the hood, some styling patches on their SUV like the Enclave. In the end their car does not look like modern interpretation of Buick of the past, just some mixed generic styling with no clear root.

Hazdaz
03-21-2007, 12:17 AM
...some styling patches on their SUV like the Enclave...
Please explain "styling patches" to those of us not familar with that term, because the new Enclave is a continuation of the "new look" of Buick that was first hinted at with the LaCrosse (and to a much lesser degree, the Lucern). That model didn't go nearly as far as it should have, but the Enclave most definitely has a distinct and quite handsome look - and being a brand new platform (having completely unique skin from it's other crossover cousins), I don't see how you can say that it might be a "patch job" - if indeed that is what you are implying.

BigElm
03-21-2007, 10:45 AM
And here I thought when I read "Super" in the title, it was a trademark name for "Super"charged :furious:

US2JDM
03-21-2007, 10:54 AM
w0w...when you have to dig back to 50+ years to find something worth reviving in the brand, it can't be good. I think Buick should just go the way of Oldsmobile in this county (keep rebadging for China) and just focus on Chevy before trying to fix everything else.

dcpatters
03-21-2007, 11:06 AM
Dig up the Grand National and make it fitting of its name, otherwise fold up and quit.

That's what I was hoping for.:D

owace
03-21-2007, 11:57 AM
Please explain "styling patches" to those of us not familar with that term, because the new Enclave is a continuation of the "new look" of Buick that was first hinted at with the LaCrosse (and to a much lesser degree, the Lucern). That model didn't go nearly as far as it should have, but the Enclave most definitely has a distinct and quite handsome look - and being a brand new platform (having completely unique skin from it's other crossover cousins), I don't see how you can say that it might be a "patch job" - if indeed that is what you are implying.

x2. :huh:

WRXBob
03-21-2007, 02:09 PM
What I mean is there is nothing in the car styling that say: this is a Buick, this is our modern interprettation/evolution of our brand. To me it styled like Santa Fee, Touargeg [sp] but not with GM heritage.

Mykl
03-21-2007, 02:13 PM
Be careful what preconceived notions you have about a brand. Never say never...

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http://www.caradisiac.com/media/images/le_mag/mag260/detroit-buick-enclave-2b.jpg[/IMG]
http://www.caradisiac.com/media/images/le_mag/mag260/detroit-buick-enclave-3b.jpg[/IMG]

That looks nice, but we won't get it. China might, but GM will sell us the same old crap and wonder why nobody wants it.

design1stcode2nd
03-21-2007, 03:50 PM
There is nothing wrong with targeting a brand at a specific demographic. GM has too many brands as it is. Why not just see what senior citizens want in a car and go out and make it. Buick is a geezer brand, they should just focus on making it the best geezer brand on the market. Big knobs and simple controls, large numbered speedos, active cruise control, SAT radio for those oldies stations on the way to Florida, massaging seats and a host of warning safety equipment to help with reduced reaction speed.

Just accept who your target audience and go with it. You have Cadillac for the go fast luxury brand.

design1stcode2nd
03-21-2007, 03:52 PM
That looks nice, but we won't get it. China might, but GM will sell us the same old crap and wonder why nobody wants it.

The Enclave will be at US dealers in Jan. 08. Its the last of the Lambda platform (shared with the Saturn Outlook and GMC Acadia).

Vostok 7
03-21-2007, 06:27 PM
Dig up the Grand National and make it fitting of its name, otherwise fold up and quit.

Grand National? Pfft. Give me a Skylark GS based on the new G8's chassis with a nice '70s throwback pointy nose and I'd be a happy man.

(The new G8 should be called a LeMans.)

Vostok 7

Cre8ive
03-21-2007, 06:38 PM
If they go for the senior market, they should design it so when they give it full throttle it locks up the brakes. Because the only time old people floor the gas is when they think they are hitting the brake and wind up driving thru a house. :D

Heavy Fuji
03-21-2007, 06:41 PM
Yep, Buick used to be a tasteful style leader--- believe it or not...

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left footed whooten
03-22-2007, 03:05 AM
Bring back a Wildcat.

Fa5tCoEvo
03-22-2007, 10:12 AM
Grand National.

KC
03-22-2007, 11:21 AM
(The new G8 should be called a LeMans.)They killed/slaughtered/maimed/destroyed the LeMans name when they imported the Korean made Opel Kadett hatch in the late 80s and called it 'LeMans'.

--kC

SiFuSpEc
03-22-2007, 11:51 AM
quickest way to fix buick; rename it holden and sack pontiac.

Vostok 7
03-22-2007, 02:24 PM
They killed/slaughtered/maimed/destroyed the LeMans name when they imported the Korean made Opel Kadett hatch in the late 80s and called it 'LeMans'.

--kC
Agreed, but you could say the same about Dodge and the Charger when not only was Charger a model shared with the Cordoba (Rrreech Corrrinthian leathah.), but later when the Charger became a DSM product.

Vostok 7

Corkfish
03-22-2007, 02:40 PM
The 70 Buick GS had something like 500 pound feet of torque which would be nice. And who wouldn't like to see the Regal T-Type, GNX and Grand National come back!

Vostok 7
03-22-2007, 10:40 PM
The 70 Buick GS had something like 500 pound feet of torque which would be nice. And who wouldn't like to see the Regal T-Type, GNX and Grand National come back!

It was the 70 Buick GSX that had the most powerful production V8 of 1970 that was under 500cid. (Only Caddy's 500cid big-block was more powerful)

The 455 Stage 1 was rated at like 360bhp and 510ft-lb torque but probably made alot more than that, some have said that it actually made up to 450bhp, but they "underrated it" to keep the insurance costs low.

Buick hasn't always been Grandpa's car.

Vostok 7

Evil STI
03-22-2007, 10:44 PM
Guys, Tiger Woods drives a Buick.
That's good enough for me!!!

JC
03-22-2007, 11:42 PM
They will **** this up. Probably add chrome fender trim, more chrome porthole things, chrome curb feelers, and call it a day.

DoctorNick
03-26-2007, 08:59 PM
You can chase style or you can make style. They are chosing to forgo the past and chase the style of the trend setters. RIP buick.

left footed whooten
03-26-2007, 09:12 PM
They should rework a CTS/DTS/STS into a Buick Wildcat revival. Wildcats ruled.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.buickstreet.com/images/teds-65-wildcat-front.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.buickstreet.com/65buickstreet.html&h=480&w=640&sz=101&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=UvfeXGaBTUKkaM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbuick%2Bwildcat%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1 %26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DN

Morgan1
03-27-2007, 01:58 AM
ENCLAVE < ACADIA mine is ftw

Tragedy
03-27-2007, 10:21 PM
Plymouth and Oldsmobile was in car heaven thinking "Why the furk does this prick still get to live?"

mh_WRX
03-29-2007, 11:08 AM
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/0327/lacrosse.super2.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/0327/08.buick.lucerne.super.500.jpg
Buick did not announce pricing for either vehicle.

The 2008 LaCrosse Super is powered by a 5.3-liter V8 that churns out 300 horses at 5,600 rpm and 323 pound-feet of torque at 4,400 rpm, according to preliminary estimates. The standard 3.6-liter V6 in the LaCrosse CSX delivers 240 hp. The LaCrosse Super's engine is linked to a four-speed automatic transmission. Fuel economy has not yet been determined.

The 2008 Lucerne Super is powered by a 4.6-liter V8 that makes 292 hp at 6,300 rpm and 288 lb-ft of torque at 4,500 rpm, according to preliminary estimates. That is 17 horsepower more than the Lucerne CXS. The Lucerne Super also gets a four-speed automatic transmission. Fuel economy has not yet been determined.

The LaCrosse Super makes use of a longtime Buick design cue — portholes — and also gets standard 18-inch wheels. It also has a new waterfall grille, new hood and new front fascia that incorporates a lower grille opening with chrome trim. The Lucerne Super gets a new bright chrome waterfall grille, front and rear fascias, integrated dual exhaust tips and rocker panels.

Both Super models are said to be inspired by the Buick Velite concept vehicle.

Buick originally introduced the Super line in 1939 for the 1940 model year. Buick said it is not known who originated the Super name, but "historians presume they were dreamed up by [Buick General Manager Harlow H.] Curtice, GM Design Chief Harley Earl or Buick advertising genius Art Kudner." The Super nomenclature was inspired by rail travel of the late '30s, especially names for luxury trains.

What this means to you: The Super lineup is providing a real shot in the arm for the usually staid Buick brand.

Yotsuya
03-29-2007, 12:19 PM
Grand National? Pfft. Give me a Skylark GS based on the new G8's chassis with a nice '70s throwback pointy nose and I'd be a happy man.

If we're going to go there, get a commodore coupe, put on the pointy nose, a boat tail, and bring back the Riviera...

rice h8r
03-30-2007, 02:22 AM
^ ew no the point here is to get AWAY from that.
Guys, Tiger Woods drives a Buick.
That's good enough for me!!!
hahaha