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NYCshopper
03-21-2007, 01:15 PM
Can Toyota’s Scion keep its edge?, Brand aimed at famously fickle Gen Y buyers

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Can Toyota’s Scion keep its edge?, Brand aimed at famously fickle Generation Y buyers

For the automotive industry, it was the height of hip.

At the Chicago auto show, Toyota's Scion brand unveiled two new models in two versions — one for real life, and another for virtual shoppers in “Second Life,” the popular online universe. Visitors to “Scion City” in the virtual world could test drive the new xB and xD models and buy computer-simulated versions of the vehicles.

It was the latest effort by Toyota to keep the Scion brand relevant for its youthful target market, a task that is growing more complex as the brand gows with new models and stronger sales.

Since launching in 2004, the brand has thrived despite ho-hum reviews for its initial xA subcompact and xB wagon. Designed to appeal to American youth, sales of the quirky cars, boosted by the popular tC sport coupe, have jumped from 99,259 units in 2004 to 173,034 units in 2006, according to forecasting and consulting firm Global Insight.

Now Scion is back with the two new models, hoping to impress the Generation Y target customer base — a famously fickle generation of about 75 million people loosely defined as those born between 1978 and 1994.

“This generation is huge, and if you miss the boat with them, or alienate them entirely, you’ll have a hard time winning them back,” said Rebecca Lindland. “There are 75 million of them and they’re going to be a huge part of the buying market in the next 5 to 10 years.”

Toyota markets the Scion brand differently from the regular Toyota brand or luxury Lexus line, said Lindland. Scion tries to keep its models fresh and focuses on “underground” marketing tactics like the Second Life launch. Scion rarely advertises on television, she noted.

“They really are trying a totally different type of marketing that will appeal to Generation Y — a group of people that really hasn’t adopted a brand yet,” Lindland said. “Scion has a really good grasp of the power that the Internet provides — it really is this generation’s mode of communication. They really haven’t known life without it.”

For Scion, it’s all about how to move forward. The company can continue with its underground marketing and edgy, “hip-hop” style, or it can become more mainstream and try to broaden its appeal, Lindland said. But there’s danger in that sort of move, she said.

The tC has sold well mainly by appealing to an older market of baby boomers looking for a sporty weekend runabout.

“Scion’s all about being on the cutting edge, but the problem is you can try to hard,” she said. “The difficult here is weeding out the baby boomers so they are not your target demographic. Baby boomers are all about reliving their youth, and Scion could represent that.”

Scion’s approach to marketing Scion has parallels to its efforts with the Tundra full-size pickup. In marketing the new, larger version of the truck, Toyota is not just selling a vehicle but also about trying to give the brand a broader appeal, especially in the U.S. heartland where the company traditionally has not performed as well.

To boost its appeal, Toyota built its Tundra factory in Texas, the leading state for truck sales, and has become the first foreign manufacturer since the 1950s to supply cars for NASCAR’s top series, the Nextel Cup, entering a version of the best-selling Camry.

Generation Y is not likely to respond to the same sort of marketing, according to Global Insight research, which has found that these younger buyers seek out luxury and are not prepared to wait for it. Gen Y consumers idolize luxury brands like BMW, said Lindland.

“But even though this is a tough demographic, I don’t think they will see them fail,” she said. “They have the best and brightest at Toyota working on the Scion brand. These people are very hip and smart, and Toyota itself is terrified of failure, so this brand has a lot of investment thrown at it. … It’s very coddled.”

importdriver
03-21-2007, 04:16 PM
I see alot of older women driving Scion xB's, but alot of young guys driving tC's.

SubaDuba420
03-21-2007, 05:57 PM
"Scion rarely advertises on television, she noted."

Really:confused: I see multiple Scion commercials on TV daily, I'd say close to as many as VW.

Skunkers
03-22-2007, 03:12 PM
Yeah, contrary to that article, 90% of the xA and xB drivers I see are old. And 90% of the tC drivers I see are under 25. In fact I think I've only seen one young guy ever driving an xA.

The problem with the tC guys though is they are just like GTI guys. They all think they're car is a lot nicer and faster than it really is. I can't count the number of posts I've read on Scion Life by people who think their tC is faster/better handling than a ITR or WRX, and as nice as a Lexus.:rolleyes:

nick9871
03-22-2007, 07:37 PM
G/F has a tC. Gotta say its the nicest coupe you can get for $14,500. But its no lexus or subaru.

35th
03-22-2007, 07:38 PM
Yeah, contrary to that article, 90% of the xA and xB drivers I see are old. And 90% of the tC drivers I see are under 25. In fact I think I've only seen one young guy ever driving an xA.

The problem with the tC guys though is they are just like GTI guys. They all think they're car is a lot nicer and faster than it really is. I can't count the number of posts I've read on Scion Life by people who think their tC is faster/better handling than a ITR or WRX, and as nice as a Lexus.:rolleyes:


Ok, I'll be a noob and ask. What is an ITR and who makes it?

NYCshopper
03-22-2007, 07:47 PM
Ok, I'll be a noob and ask. What is an ITR and who makes it?

Acura Integra Type-R

Snow Drift
03-22-2007, 07:51 PM
Scion is like Apple, it has created an experience and a culture. Just like what Saturn attempted to do w/ its Softball games and BBQ's.

Kiosks in dealerships, less "real" dealers to screw you over, Gen-Y savy design, cheap prices, a-la-carte style customization of each car.

It will keep working as long as Scion can evolve to meet the needs of the Tweens who will be I guess Gen-Z lol.

35th
03-22-2007, 08:03 PM
Acura Integra Type-R
Thanks, I was sitting here thinking about and totally forgot about the Intergra.

Hazdaz
03-22-2007, 11:02 PM
Listen, young people want something stylish and cheap - if Scion continues to make small, economical cars with some kind of trendy ad campaign, then they will do alright. It's if Toyota tries to expand the brand and give Scion a mid-sized car or a true sports car (which would raise insurance rates and such), that Scion will loose it's edginess (real or otherwise).

SiFuSpEc
03-23-2007, 01:06 AM
scion has its own market.. who else really can compete ? not anyone i know of can customize so easily and be so 'hip'

benj182
03-23-2007, 02:56 AM
its strange, but i see an amalgam of youth, male, female, old, middle aged, moms, and guys in business suits driving xB's. its actually become interesting to see whos driving the xB next to me. scions done well to market the xB, but as far as the hip crowd goes, id say it was a miss.

most tC's ive seen are driven by girls in their early 20's. xA's as well.

i drove a tC once and found it was too small inside for one, and second, almost hazardous to see around the pillars.

VWGrk1
03-23-2007, 11:54 AM
Yeah, contrary to that article, 90% of the xA and xB drivers I see are old. And 90% of the tC drivers I see are under 25. In fact I think I've only seen one young guy ever driving an xA.

The problem with the tC guys though is they are just like GTI guys. They all think they're car is a lot nicer and faster than it really is. I can't count the number of posts I've read on Scion Life by people who think their tC is faster/better handling than a ITR or WRX, and as nice as a Lexus.:rolleyes:

That is funny because I have the exact same impressions as you.

This really underscores the point made by Global Insight:

Generation Y is not likely to respond to the same sort of marketing, according to Global Insight research, which has found that these younger buyers seek out luxury and are not prepared to wait for it. Gen Y consumers idolize luxury brands like BMW, said Lindland.

WagonMonster
03-23-2007, 11:58 AM
My Dad, who turns 69 this year, drives a TC.

VWGrk1
03-23-2007, 12:04 PM
Scion is like Apple, it has created an experience and a culture. Just like what Saturn attempted to do w/ its Softball games and BBQ's.

Kiosks in dealerships, less "real" dealers to screw you over, Gen-Y savy design, cheap prices, a-la-carte style customization of each car.

It will keep working as long as Scion can evolve to meet the needs of the Tweens who will be I guess Gen-Z lol.

I think that the difficulty is that the older Gen Y (or Gen X-Y) demographic (me) is at the age where we bear much less semblance to our younger counterparts. Basically, we have money (we are out of school) and are buying condos and getting married. Again, just my opinion, but there is not a real gradual step between the two brands to bridge this gap. We are more likely to go to Lexus, IMO.

In case you are wondering, Gen X-Y are the last of the people who remember what life was like without the internet. ;)

quentinberg007
03-23-2007, 02:06 PM
Yeah, contrary to that article, 90% of the xA and xB drivers I see are old. And 90% of the tC drivers I see are under 25. In fact I think I've only seen one young guy ever driving an xA.

The problem with the tC guys though is they are just like GTI guys. They all think they're car is a lot nicer and faster than it really is. I can't count the number of posts I've read on Scion Life by people who think their tC is faster/better handling than a ITR or WRX, and as nice as a Lexus.:rolleyes:

I fully realize my GTI is only "quick" and handles "decent". There is no arguing that it has a great interior. The problem with WRX guys is that they actually think their cars handle "good" from the factory.

~~Quentin

TCENGEL
03-23-2007, 03:41 PM
I can tell you that my TC on coilovers/sways handles much better than my WRX with coilovers/sways ever did. My TC weighs a little over 2700lbs with the basic weight removal stuff.

She is slow though!! And it's nothing like a Lexus..

02redwagone
03-23-2007, 03:44 PM
I will say that I saw a retired gentleman driving a purple TC yesterday and it looked strangely natural.


With that said I love the look of the TC just not the stock handling or drivetrain layout. Then again my wagon is like driving a bowl of oatmeal with its stock suspension and studded snows.