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NYCshopper
03-22-2007, 11:24 AM
BMW releases details regarding NEW V8 Power for NEW M3

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Press Release:

THE NEW V8 POWER UNIT FOR THE BMW M3

Description in Brief:

•First eight-cylinder for the BMW M3 sports car.

•Supreme performance ensured by 309 kW/420 hp from 4.0 litres.

•Maximum torque of 400 Newton-metres (295 lb-ft) at 3, 900 rpm,
85 per cent of maximum torque over a speed range of 6,500 rpm.

•Unique thrust and muscle ensured by consistent implementation of the M high-speed engine concept, maximum engine speed 8,300 rpm.

•Consistent lightweight construction of engine and ancillary units,
new V8 power unit one of the lightest eight-cylinders in the world,
lighter than the straight-six power unit in the former model.

•Variable camshaft control, low-pressure double-VANOS for an
optimum charge cycle, system offering full power and performance even with normal engine oil pressure.

•Eight individual throttle butterflies for spontaneous engine response.

•Consistent and reliable oil supply with longitudinal and lateral acceleration up to 1.4 g ensured by two oil pumps and wet sump oil lubrication optimised for supreme dynamic behaviour.

•Exhaust system optimising cylinder charge, optimised for weight and function by means of internal high-pressure remoulding, exhaust emissions fulfil EU4 and LEV 2 standards.

•Upgraded MSS60 engine control unit for optimum coordination of all engine functions with the various control systems in the car.

•Ion flow technology recognising and distinguishing engine knocking phenomena as well as misfiring and miscombustion by measurement of ion flow in the combustion chambers.

•Brake Energy Regeneration with intelligent alternator control.

Its name alone spells out the epitome of ultimate driving pleasure:
the BMW M3. And now the new version of BMW M GmbH’s most successful high-performance sports car bears out this claim once again, at the same time providing a thrilling answer to the question asked by so many sports car fans around the world whether a further improvement is still possible at all.

And the answer is yes – for the new BMW M3 offers more in every respect.

This applies not only – but particularly – to the power unit: After 15 years and two model generations, the trendsetting six-cylinder has now found its successor. The new BMW M3 is entering the market with an eight-cylinder power unit – more cylinders, larger capacity, more power, higher engine speed. And it is fair to say from the start that this will also mean an even more thrilling experience on the road.
The benchmark the new power unit was required to exceed could hardly have been greater: BMW’s 3.2-litre straight-six has gained fame and admiration the world over, receiving a long list of awards and prizes. Acknowledged several times as the “Engine of the Year” and developing a supreme 252 kW/343 hp in its last version, this power unit made the BMW M3 not only the ultimate performer in the segment of high-performance sports cars, but also a genuine best seller.

The fact still remains, however, that everything has its time. And now the time has come for the six-cylinder to bow out and leave the stage. The time has come for the advent of the new V8 in the new BMW M3.

The specifications of this new high-performance power unit alone clearly confirm the enormous progress this engine has to offer. Engine displacement is 3,999 cc, maximum output is 309 kW/420 hp. Peak torque of 400 Newton-metres or 295 lb-ft is just as impressive as the top engine speed of 8,300 rpm. So clearly, the new BMW M3 is striking out for the top right from the start through its thrilling performance.

Ideal dimensions for performance at its best.

Displacing 500 cc per cylinder, the new V8 power unit meets the ideal concept of the most demanding engine designers right from the start through its engine dimensions alone. And the other design criteria – all the way from the engine’s dimensions and filling capacities through the number of components to the weight of the engine – likewise represent the very best achievable today.

Over and above these qualities, the new eight-cylinder offers all the typical M-tuned features of BMW’s regular production cars such as double-VANOS, individual throttle butterflies, and high-performance engine electronics.

At the same time the number of cylinders, the M high-speed engine concept, and the low weight of the engine clearly prove that the responsible engineers, in creating this power unit, were inspired and guided by the eight-cylinder featured in the BMW Sauber F1. For the new engine has many features in common with the latest power unit highlighted by BMW in Formula 1, with various technological concepts and principles, production processes and materials carried over from the Formula 1 engine to the drivetrain of the new BMW M3.

In terms of specific output, the new V8 significantly exceeds the benchmark of 100 hp per litre acknowledged as a convincing sign of sporting power and performance. But even so, power is not everything. Rather, the dynamic driving experience provided by a car depends to a great extent on its acceleration and handling, resulting, not least, from the weight of the car and the actual thrust of the engine. The thrust or traction acting on the drive wheels, in turn, results from engine torque and the overall transmission ratio.
The M high-speed engine concept allows optimum transmission and final drive ratios further enhancing the impressive thrust and power of the engine. Indeed, BMW M’s engineers have found a new dimension in developing the engine of the new BMW M3, with the eight-cylinder achieving maximum engine speed of 8,300 rpm.

The second factor crucial to thrust and performance on the road, engine torque, amounts to a mighty 400 Newton-metres or 295 lb-ft at 3, 900 rpm on the new V8 power unit. And about 85 per cent of the engine’s maximum torque is available throughout the enormous engine speed range of 6,500 rpm, with 340 Newton-metres or 251 lb-ft available from just 2,000 rpm.

High engine speed, low weight.

Mass (which, ultimately, means weight) is bad for acceleration – it makes any physical body seeking to accelerate slower and more sluggish. Precisely this is why BMW’s new V8, weighing a mere 202 kg or 445 lb, is a genuine lightweight, saving some 15 kg or 33 lb versus the six-cylinder power unit in the previous model. In other words, the new engine easily sets off the weight of two extra cylinders. And a further point is that the high-speed engine concept allows a light drivetrain and very short transmission ratios.

Even so, the limits to physics inevitably approach step-by-step with increasing engine power: At 8,300 rpm, each of the eight pistons is moving at a speed of 20 metres or almost 66 feet per second, obviously exposing all materials to enormous loads. Precisely this is why BMW M’s designers and engineers have focused on the minimisation of masses on the new eight-cylinder.

Engine block straight from BMW’s Formula 1 foundry.

The engine block of the new eight-cylinder comes straight from BMW’s light-alloy foundry in Landshut near Munich, where BMW also builds the engine blocks for the Company’s Formula 1 racing cars. The cylinder crankcase, in turn, is made of a special aluminium silicon alloy, conventional cylinder liners being replaced by hard silicon crystals. The iron-coated pistons, finally, run directly in the uncoated, honed cylinder bore.

High engine speeds, compression forces and temperatures cause extreme loads acting on the crankcase. Hence, the crankcase is compact in its dimensions and comes in torsionally resistant bedplate design ensuring very precise crankshaft bearing and running conditions. The relatively short, forged crankshaft is likewise very stiff in terms of its flexural and torsional qualities, but weighs only 20 kg or 44 lb.

Double-VANOS with low-pressure operation.

With its extremely short control times, variable double-VANOS camshaft management perfects the cylinder charge cycle, reducing charge losses and improving engine output torque and response, as well as fuel economy and emission management.

Developed especially for the new eight-cylinder, the M double-VANOS now featured on the new engine requires no more than normal engine oil pressure in order to operate at maximum speed. As a function of load and engine speed, this sophisticated unit consistently sets the optimum valve angle synchronised to the ignition timing and injection volume.

Consistent and reliable oil supply even under extremely dynamic driving conditions.

Two volume-flow controlled pendulum slide cell pumps supply the eight-cylinder efficiently with lubricant, consistently delivering exactly the right amount for the engine. Wet sump lubrication optimised for engine dynamics, in turn, ensures appropriate lubrication also in extreme braking manoeuvres.

The entire system features two oil sumps – a small one in front of the front axle subframe and a larger sump further back. A separate reflow pump, in turn, extracts oil from the front oil sump and pumps it to the sump at the rear.

Eight individual throttle butterflies with electronic control.

Individual throttle butterflies for each cylinder, a technology commonly used in motorsport, are the ideal solution to give the engine an immediate, direct response at all times. The new power unit in the BMW M3 therefore comes with eight individual throttle butterflies, four on each row of cylinders operated by separate actuators. This high-tech throttle butterfly management is fully electronic and extremely fast, giving the engine a smooth and sensitive response at low engine speeds and an immediate reaction to the driver’s commands whenever he wishes to use the full power of the engine.

Flow-optimised air intake.

To ensure an immediate response and superior dynamics of the engine at all times, the throttle butterflies in the intake manifolds are positioned very close to the intake valves. The specific length and diameter of the intake funnels also benefit the oscillating pipe charge principle. To minimise weight, finally, both the intake funnels and air collector are made of a light composite material with a 30 per cent share of glass-fibre.

Innovative exhaust system.

Through its design and configuration, the exhaust system for the new V8 power unit optimises the cylinder charge cycle, ensuring an optimum surge of power and torque at all times. And again, this component has been designed and built from the start for consistent lightweight qualities.

The exhaust manifolds are made in an internal high-pressure remoulding process, the desired contours of the stainless-steel pipes being shaped from inside under pressure of up to 800 bar. The result is extremely thin walls measuring just 0.65–1.00 millimetres (0.0256–0.0394´´ ) in thickness, optimising flow conditions with minimum resistance, light weight, and optimum response of the catalytic converters.

Exhaust emissions are cleaned by no less than four catalysts and the engine naturally complies both with the European EU4 standard and the US LEV 2 requirements.

Even better performance than before: the engine control unit.
The engine control unit featured on the V8 has also been upgraded to an even higher standard than before, ensuring optimum coordination of all engine functions. Taking more than 50 input signals, for example, the control unit determines the optimum ignition timing individually for each cylinder and operating stroke, the ideal flow conditions, exactly the right amount of fuel injection, and the optimum injection timing. At the same time the system calculates and sets exactly the right camshaft angles (angle spread), as well
as the respective position of the eight individual throttle butterflies.
And last but not least, the control unit enhances and masterminds specific BMW M functions such as the clutch, transmission, steering, and brakes.

Yet a further function of the engine control unit is to perform a wide range of on-board diagnostic functions with various diagnostic routines for servicing at the workshop as well as other functions and the efficient management of peripheral units and systems.

An outstanding highlight in engine management: ion flow technology.
A particular highlight in engine management is ion flow technology detecting any knocking in the engine as well as the risk of misfiring or miscombustion. Contrary to conventional processes and technologies, this function is now performed directly where it counts, that is right there in the combustion chamber itself. To provide this highly efficient control, each cylinder is monitored and controlled via the spark plug to determine any knocking tendency. At the same time the system checks the ignition for smooth and correct operation, and recognises any misfiring.

The spark plug therefore serves as an actuator for the ignition and as a sensor observing the combustion process, distinguishing in this way between miscombustion and misfiring. And through this double function performed by the spark plug, diagnostic requirements in maintaining and servicing the engine are also facilitated.

Greater efficiency and dynamics provided by Brake Energy Regeneration.

To further enhance the efficiency of the new V8 power unit, Brake Energy Regeneration ensures intelligent engine current management concentrating the generation of electric power for the on-board network on the overrun phases and the application of the brakes. This serves to charge the car’s battery without tapping on engine power and, accordingly on the energy contained in the fuel burnt. As long as the engine is running under power, on the other hand, accelerating and pulling the car, the alternator generally remains disconnected.

Apart from particularly efficient generation of electric current, this also helps to provide more drive power when accelerating, making the car even more dynamic and agile on the road.


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NYCshopper
03-22-2007, 11:25 AM
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NYCshopper
03-22-2007, 11:25 AM
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SiFuSpEc
03-22-2007, 11:32 AM
wholy crapola. :D:D:D:D:D

Sausage
03-22-2007, 11:36 AM
8 throttle bodies... now that's just too much

SiFuSpEc
03-22-2007, 11:38 AM
never!! just because one header looks like a mcdonalds jungle gym; it must be bettter!!!!!!!

GSXR
03-22-2007, 11:38 AM
+1 I almost crapped when I saw those headers! :eek:

Chiketkd
03-22-2007, 11:39 AM
Consistent lightweight construction of engine and ancillary units,
new V8 power unit one of the lightest eight-cylinders in the world,
lighter than the straight-six power unit in the former model.Simply amazing! Let's hope curb weight doesn't increase from the last M3... ;)

SiFuSpEc
03-22-2007, 11:43 AM
^^ it might; with BMW's probably new computer system now capable of tracking satellites and launching them ..

NYCshopper
03-22-2007, 11:52 AM
+1 I almost crapped when I saw those headers! :eek:

;)


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SiFuSpEc
03-22-2007, 11:53 AM
thats art

Jager_Addict
03-22-2007, 11:55 AM
Thats hot. Now they need to release the new M so the price will go down on the e46 m3 so I can afford one.

jlagace
03-22-2007, 12:07 PM
wow they made the V8 lighter than the E46 6cyl motor.

I still like the 3.0TT in the 335i better though. that power figure of 420hp will be eclipsed in the 3.0TT with just mild modding. Heck they're already dyno'ing the Vishni-tuned 335i at 340whp without even touching the stock downpipes:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=119485

jasonallenross
03-22-2007, 12:17 PM
I nearly wet myself.

Now to sell the kid + a kidney so I can afford one
:)

William WRX
03-22-2007, 12:24 PM
I nearly wet myself.

Now to sell the kid + a kidney so I can afford one
:)

LOL!

For Sale 2 y/o Boy good health. almost brand new. Factory Warranty .

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

William

SCRAPPYDO
03-22-2007, 12:36 PM
silly BMW, they should use pushrods...HAHAHA

Borti
03-22-2007, 12:44 PM
wow they made the V8 lighter than the E46 6cyl motor.

I still like the 3.0TT in the 335i better though. that power figure of 420hp will be eclipsed in the 3.0TT with just mild modding. Heck they're already dyno'ing the Vishni-tuned 335i at 340whp without even touching the stock downpipes:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=119485

Same here, I love that 3.0.

No more raspy inline-6 FTW! I imagine upgrading that exhaust system is going to cost a ****-load though.

anfernee
03-22-2007, 12:57 PM
Same here, I love that 3.0.

No more raspy inline-6 FTW! I imagine upgrading that exhaust system is going to cost a ****-load though.

To an owner of that kind of car, a ****-load for us regular people, is chump change for them, unless the owner is living beyond their means.

It's all relative.
:( :( :( for bein' po'

sil0nt
03-22-2007, 12:57 PM
Everything I've heard so far I like. The concept release in Geneva a couple weeks ago was pretty much dead on, and this engine delivers. The torque isn't great, but it may be something you have to drive to believe. The E46 M3 isn't a torque monster either, but its still very quick.

Kostamojen
03-22-2007, 12:59 PM
Now THAT is a V8!

darknightohio
03-22-2007, 01:17 PM
Nice, now lets hope they dont mess it up with driver aids that cannot be turned off.... :)

SublimeGTP
03-22-2007, 01:29 PM
silly BMW, they should use pushrods...HAHAHA

Thats what I was thinking....

Weighs the same as the LS2 and probably about the same dimensions...

Produces the same HP and less torque, with about 500x more parts. Maybe BMW hasn't heard the story about the space pen.

SCRAPPYDO
03-22-2007, 01:38 PM
difference is I was being sarcastic.

amukaoen
03-22-2007, 01:43 PM
Thats what I was thinking....

Weighs the same as the LS2 and probably about the same dimensions...

Produces the same HP and less torque, with about 500x more parts. Maybe BMW hasn't heard the story about the space pen.

I'm not sure I know where to begin with this quote

jasonallenross
03-22-2007, 01:53 PM
Maybe BMW hasn't heard the urban legend about the space pen.

Fixed for you:
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp

John C
03-22-2007, 02:04 PM
•First eight-cylinder for the BMW M3 sports car.

Oh yeah? :)

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/m3gtrstreet01.jpg

kaptainkevlar
03-22-2007, 02:23 PM
8300rpm.... :devil:

Those headers look amazing for a stock car, i wonder how effective aftermarket headers would work on that....if someone can make some that are better haha. cant wait to see one of these on the road.

ilara72
03-22-2007, 02:24 PM
Mmmm, V8 sound. I fell in love with the M3 when I drove one at a BMW driving clinic. Perfect combination of luxury and performance.

SublimeGTP
03-22-2007, 02:24 PM
I'm not sure I know where to begin with this quote

Begin with where I'm wrong (aside from the obviously exaggerated "500x parts" line).

Fixed for you:
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp

The morale of the story still applies, but thanks for the link, I didn't realize it wasn't a true story.

foxboroxt
03-22-2007, 02:41 PM
It looks nice, but considering the increased power and reduced weight, along with the fact that it's an entirely new design, I'd give it a year before buying. I'd be pretty wary of trying to mod that thing.....

subydude
03-22-2007, 02:46 PM
my pants are now noticably tighter....

now I can only hope it doesn't carry the $20k jump in price the rumor mill has been throwing around:(

chowder31
03-22-2007, 02:53 PM
alternator disconnect? Freekn crazy

Chiketkd
03-22-2007, 02:54 PM
Anyone know what the compression ratio is for this new M3 V8 engine? I didn't see it listed in the press release...

morektzdaddy
03-22-2007, 03:56 PM
It needs chrome velocity stacks for those little butterflies. They would look awesome peaking throught the hood/bonnett.

InvertedB
03-22-2007, 04:25 PM
It's beautiful, but I'm surprised at the torque numbers, I really would have thought they would have been higher. I know the E46 M3 was a high strung engine like this one with far more horsepower than torque, but I thought going with the V8 would mean a substantial improvement in the horsepower/torque ratio.

vet
03-22-2007, 04:38 PM
I'm suprised BMW isn't getting into direct injection yet.

vet
03-22-2007, 04:40 PM
Isn't the current M3 using a cast iron block?

design1stcode2nd
03-22-2007, 04:55 PM
Amazing and amazingly expensive. Will serious give the RS4 a run for its money. I'm expecting pricing around 60-65k

Chiketkd
03-22-2007, 05:26 PM
It's beautiful, but I'm surprised at the torque numbers, I really would have thought they would have been higher. I know the E46 M3 was a high strung engine like this one with far more horsepower than torque, but I thought going with the V8 would mean a substantial improvement in the horsepower/torque ratio.
The engine is still a small displacement n/a V8 - only 3,999cc. 295lb-ft is still quite amazing out of such a small powerplant - especially one which has been tuned to make over 105 hp per litre! :eek: :devil:

jmott
03-22-2007, 05:59 PM
Careful there on the less torque claim.

Do not forget that gearing literally multiplies the torque to the ground, and the more RPMS the engine can spin at, the more gearing you can use.

An LS2 peaks at around 6.2k rpms, this engine peaks at 8.3k rpms, so this bmw engine is going to be able to be 26% more torque to the wheels than you think, compared the ls2, approximately, which comes out to about 378effective ft/lbs

not bad at all

edit: of course the ls7 peaks at 7k I believe, and makes 500ft/lbs at the engine..soo...hehe


Thats what I was thinking....

Weighs the same as the LS2 and probably about the same dimensions...

Produces the same HP and less torque, with about 500x more parts. Maybe BMW hasn't heard the story about the space pen.

nick9871
03-22-2007, 07:28 PM
Wonder if they will keep on the trend and lighten the car body up as well.

quentinberg007
03-22-2007, 07:36 PM
I'm suprised BMW isn't getting into direct injection yet.

The 335i engine and the new MINI powerplant (BMW designed) are direct injection. This V8 was expected to be DI as well.

Lexus uses a dual injection: port injection + direct injection. From what I can see in these pics, this V8 has port injection. Odd.

~~Quentin

felickz
03-22-2007, 08:39 PM
+ 2 Cylanders

- 33 lbs

+ 80 horsepower

= a good math equation

jmott
03-22-2007, 10:04 PM
and the weight will be located more rearward as well, so they can use a less ridiculously heavy spare and battery in the trunk to make it 50/50

saving more weight =)


+ 2 Cylanders

- 33 lbs

+ 80 horsepower

= a good math equation

SublimeGTP
03-22-2007, 10:11 PM
An LS2 peaks at around 6.2k rpms, this engine peaks at 8.3k rpms, so this bmw engine is going to be able to be 26% more torque to the wheels than you think, compared the ls2, approximately, which comes out to about 378effective ft/lbs

not bad at all

edit: of course the ls7 peaks at 7k I believe, and makes 500ft/lbs at the engine..soo...hehe

It certainly has an impressively fat torque curve for such a high revving engine. In order to take advantage of those revs, the final drive is going to have to be in the 4+:1 range... won't be good for fuel economy... not that you should care about that if you're buying an M3.

Truth be known, the engine is really cool from a tech stand point. I just think people dismiss the pushrod v8 engines too quickly.

jmott
03-22-2007, 10:46 PM
Why would that gear be bad for fuel economy? Its going to have to spin at a higher rpm but its also a smaller engine. Plus, since it makes less torque you don't need as beefy of a transmission so you could throw a 7th gear on there without adding weight if you wanted a highway overdrive gear.

The whole 'torque' issue is almost always irrelevant. If torque is low, its almost always because the car makes it power at a higher rpm, which almost always is paired with a more agressive gear, and is almost always because the engine is smaller.

everything kinda evens out normally

power is power

except in the toyota celica GT-S motor that thing is poo

nobody is dismissing pushrod engines.

the ls7 still blows this thing away in every measure =)







It certainly has an impressively fat torque curve for such a high revving engine. In order to take advantage of those revs, the final drive is going to have to be in the 4+:1 range... won't be good for fuel economy... not that you should care about that if you're buying an M3.

Truth be known, the engine is really cool from a tech stand point. I just think people dismiss the pushrod v8 engines too quickly.

jasonallenross
03-22-2007, 10:55 PM
The morale of the story still applies, but thanks for the link, I didn't realize it wasn't a true story.

I, too, found out the hard way.

I find myself hitting up snopes whenever nuggets of wisdom come my way, it's amazing how fast the internet transmits information. Of course, my mom is still a few years behind, so I get the occasional "mall slasher", "Bill Gates will donate a penny for all the forwards" or "dont' flash your lights, it's a gang initiation" emails.

I have ridden in both the 'vette and an M3 that have been driven in anger. The vette was about a subtle as a hammer, the M3 was just smooooooth and balanced. They both made wonderful noises and have fantastic heritage.

I'm happy that if I had the money, I would have the hardship of choosing between the two. :)

So Cal STI
03-22-2007, 11:18 PM
Oh yeah? :)

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/m3gtrstreet01.jpg

Ahh, the DTM version, that was never made it here to the US (a'la ALMS M3 GT2 class). Beauty; the new one though :rolleyes: , the M3 has trully arived!

Jaxx
03-22-2007, 11:56 PM
surprised it has any throttle bodies .. would have thought they would have used the same technology they used in the M5

pio!pio!
03-23-2007, 04:21 AM
maybe ITB's weight less
or maybe when it gets converted to racing spec, it needs ITBs rather than valvetronic

SublimeGTP
03-23-2007, 09:56 AM
Why would that gear be bad for fuel economy? Its going to have to spin at a higher rpm but its also a smaller engine. Plus, since it makes less torque you don't need as beefy of a transmission so you could throw a 7th gear on there without adding weight if you wanted a highway overdrive gear.

It will need to spin at a higher rpm. Force required to turn reciprocating parts goes up exponentially with speed. 2x more rpm takes 4x more force. That's why you get diminishing returns the higher an engine revs.

Again it does appear to have a wide torque curve, so maybe you won't need to rev it up past 3000rpms around town.

jmott
03-23-2007, 10:39 AM
yeah, but as I already explained, its spinning the engine faster, but the engine is much smaller than the LS2 which we were comparing it to. It all works out in the end =)

Its a 4 liter engine I promise you won't have to rev it up at all around town. Hell you don't have to rev up a 1.5L scion to get around town.

=)


It will need to spin at a higher rpm. Force required to turn reciprocating parts goes up exponentially with speed. 2x more rpm takes 4x more force. That's why you get diminishing returns the higher an engine revs.

Again it does appear to have a wide torque curve, so maybe you won't need to rev it up past 3000rpms around town.

InvertedB
03-23-2007, 05:51 PM
The engine is still a small displacement n/a V8 - only 3,999cc. 295lb-ft is still quite amazing out of such a small powerplant - especially one which has been tuned to make over 105 hp per litre! :eek: :devil:

Good point. I didn't really read too closely, had always assumed it was going to be based off the 5.0 that had been in the E39 M5's, but this thing is quite different. Good show BMW, 105hp/liter is quite a nice build.

rallyblues
03-23-2007, 06:18 PM
SO far I don't see that paying extra 20K over the 335i would be justified.
335i is a kick ass car in its own right.

sil0nt
03-23-2007, 06:59 PM
SO far I don't see that paying extra 20K over the 335i would be justified.
335i is a kick ass car in its own right.

So far, the 335 is just a straight line rocket. The car is a lemon on the track and lacks any of the right bits to make it fast where it counts. I say skip the 335 unless you just want a fast DD that can beat cars at stop lights.

Driveway
03-24-2007, 04:02 PM
SO far I don't see that paying extra 20K over the 335i would be justified.
335i is a kick ass car in its own right.

For starters, the 335 has no limited slip differential option. Unless you want to mod the life out of your 335i I think it will be hard to keep up with the M3 through turns. Still, the 335 is just a lot of fun to drive and I can't wait to see what happens when the tuner community develops some serious modificatiosn for it.

WRXBob
03-24-2007, 07:39 PM
Thats what I was thinking....

Weighs the same as the LS2 and probably about the same dimensions...

Produces the same HP and less torque, with about 500x more parts. Maybe BMW hasn't heard the story about the space pen.

It's probably have to do with the refinement of the engine, a quality is not present in the LS engine, plus this is only 4 L instead of 5.7 L.

rice h8r
03-24-2007, 10:17 PM
surprised it has any throttle bodies .. would have thought they would have used the same technology they used in the M5
+1 I was thinking the same thing... I believe it's called Valvetronic where the engine controls the intake valve lift to control the throttle instead of using TBs... :eek:
btw it is used on a bunch of BMW engines, not just the M5.