I though since you ESP and BSP guys got your own thread. I am going to start one for the DSP'ers.
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Here is some latest pics and specs.

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Most of the relivant mods
2000 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS Sedan
05 2.5RS Plastic intake manifold
TekWorks bored stock throttlebody
I-Speed USA 2.5RS SRS-20 reflash, 7000rpm redline
Diamond Racing 15x10's, Hoosier A6 275/35-15
Zzyzxmotorsports.com Custom Koni Double Adjustable Coilovers
Camber -2.5 front -2 rear, 0 toe, caster@ 7 degress
OBX Front LSD
Custom Front & Rear Camber Plates
Tribeca 25mm Front swaybar
STi 20mm rear sway bar
various SuperPro suspension bushings
Goodrich Stainless Steel Brake lines
STI engine and tranny mounts
STI Strut Tower bars Front and rear
Kartboy Front & Rear Swaybar Links
Kartboy front and rear Shifter bushings and Shifter
Kartboy exhaust hangers
Kartboy rear diff lock kit
Kartboy Crank Pulley
Custom Cold Air Intake
Kartboy custom intake oil catch can
OBX catback exhaust
Borla Header
Custom catless trackpipe
Cobra Monaco race seat
Sparco Harness Bar
Momo Racing wheel with Daikei S-501 boss
Custom Street Prepared Rear Spoiler
Trunk relocated battery with Odessey battery

Patrick Lipsinic
DSP 95/195
Zzyzxmotorsports.com
Kartboy.com

Awesome, as usual Pete!

Awesome looking ride Patrick! How do you stack up PAX-wise against the local hotshoes? Are you going to go to the Pro Finale & Solo Nationals in '07?

Well local event are farely easy to get top pax. I haven't been too a Divisional yet. Last weekend I was in KC for a Subaru Challenge and took top pax and FTD.
I'll be at Nationals but not the Finale as I have not run at any Pros this year.

Hey Patrick...nice ride. See you at Nationals.

I have to redeem myself ;)

Gil

Oh DSP. Those were the good old days. I'll have to dig around and find a picture or two of my old RS. I've seen three 2.5RSs driving around lately and it made me really miss my old one. As much as I like my Outback it can't really compare to how much fun the old subie was.

Great looking car, looks like fun.

Evan

Car's looking great Pat! Can't wait to drive it!

How do you like the new wheel and tire setup? How's the gearing? It looks a whole lot lower btw.

:drool: I love DSP 2.5 RS's. The fact hoosier came out with those tire sizes makes things a LOT more interesting. :)

Ours is still on stands awaiting a diagnosis on the front diff noise. I've been focusing on FSP lately and don't yet know what car I'll be in come Sept.....

The RS is looking awesome, Pat! Take it to 'em!!!!! My conversations with an E30 driver on 275s was not nearly as good as the conversation I had with you this afternoon! Keep this up and our CCW's might go up for sale!

Jay Storm

Ok, where is the rest of you DSP guys. Report?

Ok, where is the rest of you DSP guys. Report?

You know - DAMN Hoosier for making that tire after I leave DSP and sell my RS!!!! DAMNIT!!!!

If you guys like that tire size, you can thank me for saying prayers every night that someone needed to build that tire!

:furious: :furious: :furious:

Ok, where is the rest of you DSP guys. Report?

You don't happen to need a nationals co-driver do you? :D

You don't happen to need a nationals co-driver do you? :D
That would be awesome to see Steven!!!! :devil:

I will purchase Top Dog one lap dance at Club Orleans if he lets Steven co-drive that car:D

-Max.

Well I might have some in mind already who drove it last weekend. Also I will probably have a DSPL driver for Nats this year.

Also the person I thank mostly for getting Hoosier to build that tire is mostly likely Craig Wilcox. G Stock champ last year. He is the one that helped me get one of the first sets when they were finish. Only problem was that F***ing Diamond Racing too 2 months to get me a set of wheels. I ordered them 3 Mondays before WalnutRidge and I just got them last week. :furious:

If I had the $$$ I would jump in the DSP ring and play :(

But until then, I am stuck in STS locally.....I know better than to even try STS at Nats. Stupid Civics!!!!!!

Car looks awesome!

Well I might have some in mind already who drove it last weekend. Also I will probably have a DSPL driver for Nats this year.....

Well now you can have two people in mind. ;) hehe...

That is a crazy wheel and tire size! That would be a 10% gearing reduction for me.

I think those tires should make a huge difference for the DSP Impreza. :D

-Biggly

Car looks great!

The internet says those 275's are much shorter than the factory 205's. How's the gearing work out on course with them and the 7000 redline?

I wish there were more choices in a 275+ 16 inch tire. Those wheels are dirt cheap for 16x10 5x100! It looks like Hoosier is the only player in town.

Car looks great!

The internet says those 275's are much shorter than the factory 205's. How's the gearing work out on course with them and the 7000 redline?

I can't speak for the 275's, however we used to run the 245/40/15's that were the same OD as those 275's. We were running a Hydra with 7,400 limiter and the car was stupid fast! Shifting between 2nd & 3rd happend a fair amount on a big course, but 2-3 shifts are easy to deal with, and with the gearing of that size tire in 2nd you can really fly out of tight turns. I can't imagine it's anything other than heaven to drive a well setup DSP RS on those things!

Does that wheel company still exist? It says their site hasn't been updated since 2004.

I can't speak for the 275's, however we used to run the 245/40/15's that were the same OD as those 275's. We were running a Hydra with 7,400 limiter and the car was stupid fast! Shifting between 2nd & 3rd happend a fair amount on a big course, but 2-3 shifts are easy to deal with, and with the gearing of that size tire in 2nd you can really fly out of tight turns. I can't imagine it's anything other than heaven to drive a well setup DSP RS on those things!


What he said. :P

Does that wheel company still exist? It says their site hasn't been updated since 2004.

Yes, just give them a call.

I just called them and got an answering machine :). I emailed them about 17x9s or 17x10s in 5x100.

They are located in the CST. Best to call them cause they never replied to my e-mails. Talk to Bill if you call them and tell him Pat sent you.

I figured they were closed, i just wanted to see if the number was still working.

I wonder if I could use the title of highest mileage racing subaru in the US.
I am just about too hit 195K and on the original motor.

I wonder if I could use the title of highest mileage racing subaru in the US.
I am just about too hit 195K and on the original motor.

I think I was only 130k or so at most on mine. 195k is quite a bit!

I wonder if I could use the title of highest mileage racing subaru in the US.
I am just about too hit 195K and on the original motor.And still hitting 7k rpm on SP legal (see also: stock) valvetrain and bottom end.:lol:

So much for the thought of the motor self-destructing as soon as you raise the revlimit without changing anything, eh?:D

Jay

And still hitting 7k rpm on SP legal (see also: stock) valvetrain and bottom end.:lol:

So much for the thought of the motor self-destructing as soon as you raise the revlimit without changing anything, eh?:D

Jay

It's an interesting point you have there - We ran 7,400 limit with the Hydra, and when I switched to the I-speed flash for STX it was changed to 7,200. I put approx 30k street miles, hundreds and hundreds of autocross runs, and probably 2k miles of track days on my RS hitting that limiter all the time... The next owner did find a slightly leaking valve seal a while after he got the car, but other than that, it did fine. I think the bigger concern is oiling - but on an autocross course, with short bursts of revs that high I don't think it is that big of a deal.

I wonder if I could use the title of highest mileage racing subaru in the US.
I am just about too hit 195K and on the original motor.

That doesn't count as auto-x isn't real racing :p

That doesn't count as auto-x isn't real racing :p

Neither is rally racing because you never have to pass other cars.


/ducks

Getting back on topic..... Pat did a great job of getting into the trophies last year in Topeka, while Gil and his brother would've been there too had they not broken a strut. I'd like to think that if I woulda softened the car up and actually drove, I coulda been in the hunt. We definately showed the potential. Now that the 275-35-15 is here, some of the e30's will no doubt be going to them as well....maybe some of the e36 drivers too. What is it going to take to keep the momentum up for us?

We have enough tire for grip and we're similar in weight. Power wise (to the ground) we're down a good deal and transitioning prowess leaves a bit to be desired compared to the heavy hitters. We have a link ECU ready to install and tune to try and take advantage of timing control to maximize what we can put to the ground but I'd really like to get the car to handle better still.

Jay Storm

So...to Fully enact a 'DSP' Specific thread..

The competiton:
Street Prepared Class D
Acura
Integra (‘86-’89 all)
Integra (‘90-’93 all)
Integra (‘94-’01 all including
Type R)

Alfa Romeo
1600 Coupes & Spyders (all)
1750 & 2000 Coupes &
Spyders (all)
GTV V6 (all)
Milano

Audi
4000 Quattro
80 Quattro
A4 1.8T FWD & AWD (‘95-’01)
A4 1.8T FWD & AWD (‘02+)
Coupe & Coupe Quattro

BMW
2002 tii (all)
325 & 328 (E30)
323, 325, & 328 (E36)
330ci, 330i, 330cic (E46)
3 Series (16V NOC)
Bavaria

Chevrolet / Pontiac / Buick /
Oldsmobile / Geo
Spectrum Turbo (’85-’89)
Storm GSi (’85-’89)
J Body V6, 4-cyl Turbo, Quad
4 (DOHC)
L Body V6 & Quad 4
N Body V6 & 4-cyl Turbo &
Quad 4
X Body V6

Chrysler / Dodge / Plymouth
Acclaim V6 & Turbo
Charger GLH-S
Conquest & Starion non-turbo
Daytona Turbo
Daytona V6
GLH-S & GLH Turbo
Laser Turbo (NOC) & K-car
Turbo
Neon (all)
Shadow V6 & 4-cyl Turbo
Shelby Charger Turbo
Spirit V6 & 4-cyl Turbo
Sundance Turbo

Datsun/Nissan
200SX SE-R
200SX Turbo
200SX V6
240SX
Maxima
Pulsar (16V)
Pulsar NX Turbo
Sentra SE-R & NX2000 (’91+)
Sentra 2.0L (‘95-’99)
Sentra 2.0L (‘00-’01)

Dodge / Mitsubishi
Colt Turbo / Mirage Turbo (‘84-’88)
Colt Turbo / Mirage Turbo (‘89-’92)
Eagle Summit Turbo 16V (’89)

Fiat
X-1/9 1300 & 1500, Bertone 1500

Ford/Mercury
Capri 4-cyl & 6-cyl (’71-’77)
Capri (’91-’95)
Contour SVT
Cougar (‘99-’02)
Escort ZX-2 & Tracer 16V
Focus SVT
Fusion/Milan 6-cyl (‘06+)
Probe Turbo & V6

Honda
Civic Si DOHC VTEC (‘99-’00)
Civic SOHC VTEC (’92-’95)
Civic VTEC, SOHC and DOHC(’96+)
delSol (‘93-’97)
Prelude 4WS
Prelude NOC (’83+)

Hyundai
Tiburon
Isuzu
I-Mark LS, 16V & Turbo(FWD)(’85-’89)
I-Mark (FWD) RS 16V & Turbo 171
Impulse RS Turbo AWD (’90-’93)
Impulse Turbo & RS RWD (’83-’89)
Impulse XS non-turbo 16V(’90-’93)
Impulse Turbo & 16V
Stylus XS & RS 16V (’90-”93)

Lexus
IS300

Maserati
Biturbo

Mazda
323 GT & GTX 4WD
6 (6-cyl)
Mazdaspeed Protege
MX-6 Turbo & V6

Mercedes
C230

Merkur
XR4Ti

Mini
Cooper S, incl. JCW

Mitsubishi
Cordia Turbo
Eclipse (‘00+)
Galant (all)
Tredia Turbo

Pontiac
Vibe

Porsche
914 1.7L & 1.8L & 2.0L (4-cyl)
924 (Audi engine)

Renault
Fuego Turbo
R5 Turbo

Saab
99 & 99 EMS & 99 Turbo
900 & 900 Turbo (‘79-’93)
900 & 900 Turbo (‘94+)

Saturn
All 16V models

Subaru
Impreza 2.5

Toyota
Camry V6
Celica (‘00+)
Celica All-Trac (all)
Corolla GTS (‘84-’87) (AE86)
FX-16
Matrix
Supra (’82-’85)

Volkswagen
Corrado (All)
Golf (16V) & Jetta (16V)
Golf & Jetta VR6
New Beetle Turbo
Passat VR6
R32
Scirocco (16V)

Volvo
240 Series Turbo (all)

+ Spec Miata (See 15.0 for Spec
Miata preparation allowance
requirements)
+ All 6-cyl and mechanically-forcedinduction
4-cyl. 2WD sedans under
3.0L not otherwise classified. (See
Section 15.1.C for update/backdate
limitations.)

Some interesting cars that are eligable for that class...

The Bimmers and the mini's are especially tough...there some others that are outdated and probably need to be moved to FSP...

Bill

I have sketched out ideas for what a Maserati Biturbo project could look like for DSP. Obviously, a very strange and specialized machine, but do-able for someone with Italian car background. A couple items to note:

-All Biturbos are on the same line. Find an early 2.5L Carb car and transplant the 2.8L fuel injected engine. 225hp with fairly mild boost stock. With race gas, water injection, and exhaust/manifold work, you would easily be above the output of most other DSP machines in both HP and TQ. Great for fast west coast events, perhaps total overkill for Topeka.

-A race ready weight of 2400-2500 pounds would be doable. Early cars were in the 2600 range, and the heavier later cars were in the mid 2700 range. Minus AC, light exhaust, light battery, light seats etc.

-the 275-15 Hoosier would fit easy

-think of all the contigency you could earn????



On another Italian car note, now that Nationals is on low-grip asphalt, and generally tighter courses, I've wondered what Hoeschler's X1/9 could do again. Especially considering that since he raced, the 1300 and 1500 cars have been grouped together now. There is about 100-150 pounds that could be dropped with heavy bumpers and trim.

Chris H.

Heres my DSP RS.

Megan track coilovers
Perrin rear sway
Super Pro Bushings throughout
Sti Eng/trans mounts
Equal length header
Kartboy SS/bushings
OBX front LSD
Hydra EMS
275/40/17 kuhmos

Needs alot more work and refinement to run with you guys. But I will be out at topeka this year....crosses fingers

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Josh

Cool man, I hope you can make nationals this year.

hopefully the new motor is going in this week, then tuning and some local competition. We will see. Its been a long year with this car.

Josh

hey Pat.

So what happened to the big spoiler?

yea I would like some more info on the rear wing

Josh

Holy carp. Just when i get an ESP/STX/STU/SM turbo car I see the new tires.


ARG.

Spoiler... I redid it a bit to make it adjustable. I need to get some adjustable spoiler struts and then I'll try it out again.

And still hitting 7k rpm on SP legal (see also: stock) valvetrain and bottom end.:lol:

So much for the thought of the motor self-destructing as soon as you raise the revlimit without changing anything, eh?:D

Jay

I designed a FAST course for our local Subaru Challenge the other weekend.

Everybody was shifting to 3rd before the fist turn. :lol:

However, I think my co-driver and I in my RS were the only ones who didn't shift to 3rd at all. Suffice to say the little NA 2.5 makes an interesting scream above 8k RPM. :eek:

Pat's RS is looking great on course. The combined effect of a lower car and a more reasonable ride height / suspension geometry makes all the differance. No bouncing, undulating, etc. Looks solid and planted. I'm jealous.

- Steve Sulatycki
Zzyzx Motorsports (http://zzyzxmotorsports.com)

15"s for the WIN!

BTW, I tried my 15's on a WRX the other weekend and they didn't fit over the calipers. They were rubbing the shell. It they only had a few MM's

OH! action shot from the KC Midwest Divisional.

http://www.gotcone.com/files/private/active/0/26857_large.jpg

You'd need the 4 pots or the RS brakes on the WRX to fit the 15"s...which is why I am putting 4 pots on my WRX.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned it over on USMB......
Holy carp. Just when i get an ESP/STX/STU/SM turbo car I see the new tires.


ARG.

Not really related to DSP, but I finally put the 98OBS trans into my FSP Impreza as a legal UD/BD. The Brighton trans uses the same gearing as the RS except for the final drive (at least for my 96). The OBS uses a taller 2-3-4-5 ratio which, in 2nd gear, at my revlimit of 7k, took me to 60mph! Grunt out of the corners isn't effected too much either. Now I wish I'd have thrown this box in before the DC Pro.....I don't make enough power to need the OBX LSD in this box....but it might come in handy down the road or in the rain.

Hopefully we'll have both the DSP RS and FSP Brighton in Topeka this year.....probably a pipe dream, but it'd be kinda cool to bring both cars, if my co-driver can find a quicker co-driver for the RS.:lol:


Jay Storm

That works. I'd say I'd like to be that codriver...but no way the budget would allow trip expenses right now.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned it over on USMB......


Not really related to DSP, but I finally put the 98OBS trans into my FSP Impreza as a legal UD/BD. The Brighton trans uses the same gearing as the RS except for the final drive (at least for my 96). The OBS uses a taller 2-3-4-5 ratio which, in 2nd gear, at my revlimit of 7k, took me to 60mph! Grunt out of the corners isn't effected too much either. Now I wish I'd have thrown this box in before the DC Pro.....I don't make enough power to need the OBX LSD in this box....but it might come in handy down the road or in the rain.

Hopefully we'll have both the DSP RS and FSP Brighton in Topeka this year.....probably a pipe dream, but it'd be kinda cool to bring both cars, if my co-driver can find a quicker co-driver for the RS.:lol:


Jay Storm


You know, I had a whole dream about an FSP 2.2L the other day, then Tara told me you already did it! :disco: :lol:

That being said, I could be interested in a co-drive in either the DSP or FSP car at Nats.... :D

And yes, my dream even included the OBS tranny swap for better gearing. ;)

And yes, my dream even included the OBS tranny swap for better gearing. ;)
Your dreams are very detailed!!! :eek:

After seeing the reigning DSP national champ (Mike Shields) and the runner up (Alex S.) compete at the DC Pro Solo, that class is haulin' fast!!! I see Jinx Jordan compete regularly enough to know that FSP is no slouch either!! :devil:

Pat... thanks for letting me drive that beast at the Subaru Challenge. You've got a good shot at the podium this year I think.

I'm rooting for you. Looked like it was handilng better from the pics at the Midiv than from the shots at the Subaru challenge.

You'd need the 4 pots or the RS brakes on the WRX to fit the 15"s...which is why I am putting 4 pots on my WRX.

I don't think they'll clear the 4 pots. Stock RS brakes is about as big as you can get at least with the back spacing pats had. IMHO.

It helped that I already had the car (which I ran in DSP back in 2001 sporting an :eek: EJ18:confused: :lol: )...so all I had to do was source the right motor/trans.
You know, I had a whole dream about an FSP 2.2L the other day, then Tara told me you already did it! :disco: :lol:

That being said, I could be interested in a co-drive in either the DSP or FSP car at Nats.... :D

And yes, my dream even included the OBS tranny swap for better gearing. ;)
Depending on which car or cars we bring, a co-drive could be arranged.

Yeah, the current DSP is getting faster every month it seems...... I think the e46 330 is getting close to making some waves, even if the Peru results didn't quite show it.

Jay

I don't think they'll clear the 4 pots. Stock RS brakes is about as big as you can get at least with the back spacing pats had. IMHO.

Orly....

Well, at least my K1's clear the 4 pots. :banana:

I would get some measurements and contact them too see what they can do.
http://www.diamondracingwheels.com/TermsClearance.htm

I'd love to co-drive one of the SP vehicles John. But I'm already commited to B-stock for nationals. Either way, hope to see both vehicles there this year!

We're going to take our time with the RS, so it'll sit out this year. We're both going to run in FSP this year. That gives me the time to carefully get the Link ECU into his car and tuned for next season. I'm not done with the class....just taking a slight detour.

Jay Storm

don't forget the decal we talked about putting on an FSP Impreza. :D

I'm thinking it has something to do with pissing and VW.

LOL, nice!!

Already on the car and my helmet!!!;) don't forget the decal we talked about putting on an FSP Impreza. :D
Jay

Nice. Post pics of it please.

he he he.....except it's the Hondas that are on top right now.Nice. Post pics of it please.

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Jay Storm

Here's a video from a recent event too..... sorry for the hijack but us GC'ers gotta stick together!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCwMZJSqzi0

Just a bump for the video in the above post.

Jay

Hahha...that rocks.

Run looked awesome!

That sticker ROCKS....Back in the Day...I had a Turbo Escort (85)...on the rear lisence plate holder...It said, "Hell is a VW Rabbit".....;)


I love it..

Bill

So Pat, where do you think your car has an advantage over the BMW's? We know it isn't acceleration, we know it isn't weight distribution/chassis balance, and we know it isn't tire:weight ratio. Does the AWD help that much digging out of corners?

BMW's don't have the trunkmonkey, ya moron.....:sadbanana: So Pat, where do you think your car has an advantage over the BMW's? We know it isn't acceleration, we know it isn't weight distribution/chassis balance, and we know it isn't tire:weight ratio. Does the AWD help that much digging out of corners?


Jay
:lol: :lol: :lol:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awesome.

Does the AWD help that much digging out of corners?
It's not just AWD...

It's the run-for-the-hills-BSP-needs-to-be-fixed-and-a-new-AWDSP-class-should-be-created AWD! :lol: :devil:

Pat's car has an advantage in breaking rotors! :D

Just noticing this thread.
Just got a 2.5rs(2000).
hmmmm, dsp.
275/35 15's
Diamond racing wheels.
What width wheel and offset?
Has me daydreaming..........:lol:

BMW's don't have the trunkmonkey, ya moron.....:sadbanana:


Jay
:lol: :lol: :lol:

So obvious, I missed it. :sadbanana:

hahahahah again.

Ok, I'm looking at two different cars for DSP. Both have the same drivetrain layout, and both will be using the same wheel and tire package. One would be a 1:14.8 power:weight ratio, the other a 1:13.5. Which do you think would be quicker?

The one with the bigger wing.

Ok, I'm looking at two different cars for DSP. Both have the same drivetrain layout, and both will be using the same wheel and tire package. One would be a 1:14.8 power:weight ratio, the other a 1:13.5. Which do you think would be quicker?
By 'drivetrain layout' is everything identical down to the gear ratios and the final drive gears in the diffs?

Based on the limited info you provided, I'll say the car with the power:weight ratio of 1:13.5 will be faster of the two in a straight line. :D

Thanks Chike! :rollseyes:

Final drive ratio and 2nd gear is different. The 1:13.5 car spins 1300rpm higher then the other car and hits the same top speed in 2nd gear. I don't want to reveal more information about the cars then that to keep focus on power vs. weight. The lower power car is 350lbs lighter then the more powerful car.

Neither have wings or AWD. Both are cars that haven't really been given a real shot.

I tried it already.....the lower power car will lose by .076 seconds....unless it's an EJ22, then it will win by more than .5 seconds.

Jay Storm

Is there a difference in wheelbase Nate? I know the heavier car makes a lot more midrange power and to me that keeps screaming try me try me. You've also got a slightly stiffer chassis with the heavier car too. Are you thinking 275F/225R Hoosiers?

Same wheelbase. Final wheel and tire package will be the same, but has not been finalized.

I was able to overcome a 130lb weight deficit with a 10whp advantage at the pro finale, but 60% of the time was found at the line with 2.2 60' vs. everyone else at 2.3. Then I look at the 2.5RS and it hasn't been able to beat the lighter civic's in STS in a long time. The last time I ran against Corey, I had already recovered 90% of the time I gave him at 60' by the first corner. The two cars I'm looking at would be on the same tires as the 2.5RS, so looking back at STS, tire to weight ratio was more important then hp to weight. Seeing how well Pat did against the BMW's this year, I can't help but wonder if lighter is better, even at the expense of HP. Of course, I may just go with the hp because it's been so long since I've had to modulate the throttle... I would love to wait until next year to finalize my decision, but I have to order wheels NOW.

Go with your initial plan, and do it. Stop second guessing.

--kC

How long will an ITR remain unstolen in Mass?

Chris H.

Oh, btw, I know it isn't DSP, and this wasn't very scientific, but the general dimensions of the 275/35-15 Hoosier fit within the basic wheel well structure of a Hyundai Scoupe Turbo. Assuming my cardboard template and general offset dimensions are even remotely accurate. It will need a bit of flare, but I think it is totally doable. Not that I was thinking about it...

IBsub2000poundsand150+whpwithunlimitedboostinFSP

Chris H.

Don't worry Keith. The 28's are on it now. Alignment is set save for the rear camber. I took it for a test drive with the h00siers on it. Whorry crap what a difference! Oh, and first gear coming off slow tight corners? On a dirty skidpad with the narrow tires on it, it'll light both front tires at 3k rpm in 2nd with my brother in the car with me. Gotta fix this brake issue it has though, and it needs to lose another 170lbs to hit my target. Still has a/c, heavy wheels, heavy battery and stock seats. So, there's another 100lbs. I haven't the faintest where I'll find that other 63lbs.... Spending is on hold though as the wifey is looking for a new job. So if I'm going to change my mind, it's now or never.

Sub/amp = 45lbs
Spare/jack = 32lbs
Exhaust = 15lbs
Lighter fuel load = 35lbs
=127lbs lighter since I first weighed it

a/c = 30lbs
battery = 20
wheels = 20
seats = 30
= 63lbs additional I need to find...

Order the wheels - they are so cheap right now its almost stupid not too right? I'm with Keith.

Order the wheels - they are so cheap right now its almost stupid not too right? I'm with Keith.

Do you know something I don't? Or is your definition of "so cheap" vastly different then mine? I'm looking at magnesium center keizer's. 15x10 and 15x7.5/8 rear, depending on how far inboard I can go before hitting the trailing arm.

Yeah I forgot for a second that the R wasn't 4x100 and I thought you were going to get in on Emilio's 6UL 15x10 deal. He's taking limited orders for them with cost around 200 a wheel. I'm pretty sure he isn't making them in any other bolt patterns though. Sorry

hrm, hadn't really put too much thought into that... I could ud/bd to 4-lug. Damn, yet another thing to contemplate.

I bet you could pick up the knuckles at a junkyard for cheaper than the difference between the 6UL's and Keizers... if it really came down to it you could sell the 5 lug stuff to a ricer - although that wouldn't help out in the long run if you needed to return the car to stock to sell it :shrug:

hrm, hadn't really put too much thought into that... I could ud/bd to 4-lug. Damn, yet another thing to contemplate.

Sort of funny that Nate's getting advice on setting up a Honda on a Subaru forum (and that a BMW driver's trolling here making fun of him :))

-Mike

I've got the knuckles already. Just need the correct calipers....

Mike, it's even better. I'm discussing setting up an Acura with a former(?) Honda driver on a Subaru forum and getting harrassed by a BMW driver. It's the marque perfect storm.

Yeah I'm pretty much done with Hondas for a bit - car should be gone the first weekend in December - I've already had some seat time in the Vette and its damn near the most insane thing I've ever driven. Its weird driving something where you can't just floor it and expect the car to hook up - apparently the go fast pedal isn't an on/off switch - even when the steering wheel is pointed straight ahead. Who'da thunk? I'm really looking forward to the next few seasons. I gotta buy something I can tinker with in the meantime though.


I still took the time to make sure and get all the important suspension dimensions before the car leaves though :) Its up on :rinde: right now in the garage - one of these days I'll get around to putting everything into WinGeo and start playing with it. You never know when that data will come in handy :)

With as many axles as Campbell went through before updating to the ITR stuff....I would advise against going back down to the 4x100 stuff.....especially if you're going to run the 10" wheels and 275's.

Vrrrrmmmm-BANG.......rinse....repeat......

The ITR in DSP has been talked about by a few folks intimately familiar with them. It should prove to be a very good choice if you can stomach the hacking required to fit the wheels and tires you'll need.

Jay Storm

Hadn't heard that campbell was going through axles on the 4x100 stuff. Thanks for that information.

Hacking of the fenders? I'm buying some cheap replacement front fenders to chop. The stock ones will sit in a corner until they are needed again. Rears aren't going to be touched since I won't need, nor will I want, 275's on the rear axle.

So, a little update.

Fenders are mostly done. I want to order the flares now, get them all set to fit right, then I'll shoot those with paint too. Then attach with double sided automotive trim tape. Hopefully that'll be strong enough to withstand the occasional cone hit. Currently the fenders are just clearanced for the tires and painted to match the car.

Power.... It's a DS motor still. I hope to get more power soon. A header is waiting for my test pipe before it can be put on.

I settled on 15x9.5 Keizers. I couldn't stomach the magnesium centers, so I went all aluminum. They're heavier then I'd like at 15lbs each. The rears are 15x6 Millenia wheels (if they ever get here, currently the oem wheels are on the back). I think a 6" wide wheel should be plenty back there. 275/205 for the tire combo.

The suspension setup is simple. Koni 2812's, 1000lb front springs, 900lb rear springs, lowered until I got -2.5* camber up front, 1/4" lower in the rear. Stock swaybars, zero toe. I've done nothing but tossed springs and shocks at the car and lowered it. It's retardedly simple, and one WAG on the spring rates.

Did more research on the axle issue. 5-lug or 4-lug, the axles are the same. Hopefully I can avoid too much axle carnage. Watching Campbel's car run, he has a ton more body roll and outside front deflection then I do. That also means he uses more steering lock. I'm picking up some spare axles anyway, just in case...

First event was last weekend. Mike didn't have his BMW done yet, so couldn't compare against him. Chris Travis was present, but struggled with the handling in the cold weather. I ended up with a chassis setup that even with the crap tires the car was on (found cord showing on one of the fronts at the end of the day) worked brilliantly. A mild push in one corner on the course, but everywhere else was neutral with any amount of oversteer available on demand the magnitude of which was directly determined by how big of a lift you made and how much the wheel was turned. Cone issues kept me from getting a legitimate FTD, but the results wouldn't be very telling anyway. The first two heats were wet, the last two heats dry but cold. Not all the top drivers were present, and the ones that were there were knocking the rust off and cleaning out the cobwebs. Next up, getting some fresh rubber on the car, Mike getting his car finished so I can get a good bench mark, and fine tuning of the chassis setup. I'm afraid its going to pick up a push once the temperatures warm up and I put fresh rubber on. Oh, and as always, making it lighter and more powerful.

So, a little update.

Fenders are mostly done. I want to order the flares now, get them all set to fit right, then I'll shoot those with paint too. Then attach with double sided automotive trim tape. Hopefully that'll be strong enough to withstand the occasional cone hit. Currently the fenders are just clearanced for the tires and painted to match the car.

Power.... It's a DS motor still. I hope to get more power soon. A header is waiting for my test pipe before it can be put on.

I settled on 15x9.5 Keizers. I couldn't stomach the magnesium centers, so I went all aluminum. They're heavier then I'd like at 15lbs each. The rears are 15x6 Millenia wheels (if they ever get here, currently the oem wheels are on the back). I think a 6" wide wheel should be plenty back there. 275/205 for the tire combo.

The suspension setup is simple. Koni 2812's, 1000lb front springs, 900lb rear springs, lowered until I got -2.5* camber up front, 1/4" lower in the rear. Stock swaybars, zero toe. I've done nothing but tossed springs and shocks at the car and lowered it. It's retardedly simple, and one WAG on the spring rates.

Did more research on the axle issue. 5-lug or 4-lug, the axles are the same. Hopefully I can avoid too much axle carnage. Watching Campbel's car run, he has a ton more body roll and outside front deflection then I do. That also means he uses more steering lock. I'm picking up some spare axles anyway, just in case...

First event was last weekend. Mike didn't have his BMW done yet, so couldn't compare against him. Chris Travis was present, but struggled with the handling in the cold weather. I ended up with a chassis setup that even with the crap tires the car was on (found cord showing on one of the fronts at the end of the day) worked brilliantly. A mild push in one corner on the course, but everywhere else was neutral with any amount of oversteer available on demand the magnitude of which was directly determined by how big of a lift you made and how much the wheel was turned. Cone issues kept me from getting a legitimate FTD, but the results wouldn't be very telling anyway. The first two heats were wet, the last two heats dry but cold. Not all the top drivers were present, and the ones that were there were knocking the rust off and cleaning out the cobwebs. Next up, getting some fresh rubber on the car, Mike getting his car finished so I can get a good bench mark, and fine tuning of the chassis setup. I'm afraid its going to pick up a push once the temperatures warm up and I put fresh rubber on. Oh, and as always, making it lighter and more powerful.


Cool, -2.5 camber was about the magic number for my car. -3 was too much and would wear the inside too much. Axles are no a issue with my car. I hate to say it, but I am still on my original axles at 213K miles. I am looking at a weekend here soon to repack them when I do the bearing. Got any pics of the car?

I am started on a DSP motor. I just need to get my pistons ordered. I already have a crank with rods together. I just need to tank the heads and block to clean them and get machine work done.

Don't let him fool you, Nate's WAGs are better than most people's studied setups. It's gonna be an interesting year with the ITR getting faster and faster (tho I do wonder just how much the engine could get without a full rebuild) and me and Chris attempting to hold him off... or would that be his co-driver we have to hold off :P

Flattery will get you nowhere Mike! I'm hoping the car and drivers will be quick enough to give those BMW's a real run and make things interesting. Of course, someone hasn't gotten there car together yet, so I have no idea where I stand right now and how much faster I need to get. Do you think you guys will have that thing back together this weekend? Make sure you hook up the ABS sensors!

Awesome thread guys! I don't see anything about the flywheel? Are you RS guys using a LW flywheel, and which one? I put the 9# Fidanza in my car last weekend and a St.1 Exedy, so no more STS for me. I was having trouble figuring out which tire to run until I saw this thread. Sounds like an OBX front diff is in order as well. I'm absolutely drooling over the possiblities.....

What kind of spring rates are you DSP-RS guys using?

^^^ Lightweight flywheel is good. We've had the Fidanza in both cars for a few years now. I replaced the friction insert once and it's been good for us.

Spring rates will vary on driving style, level of preparation, and goals. If you have grippy concrete for most of your events, you'll want to run stiffer springs than would be ideal for Topeka. Take your STS rates and up them a bit for the added grip of the race tires.

Jay

Thanks Jay. I've got a pretty good idea of your rates, I've PM'ed you in the past. Most of our NWR region events are on slippery asphalt. I've got 450f/400r in there right now. and it's pretty forgiving and tossable with a 22f/24r bar. I took all of '07 off and think I will use '08 to get the car dialed in for next year.

What would that 25mm Tribeca front bar do for me? I was surprised to see Pat with only a 20mm rear bar and 25 front. I seem to remember the 22 gave me better drive off the corners, but brought back a little understeer.

About weight reduction: how about the steering wheel? what about a pre-airbag dashboard? just some ideas....

The whole thread and the great pics have me drooling about a DSP Impreza!
To heck with Specmiata, I'm going autocrossing!(again)

Jeff,

The steering wheel is fair game, but you can't swap the dash. The update / backdate allowance only allows you to swap specifications with other 2.5RS's. An FSP Impreza, on the other hand, would be allowed to swap to a non-airbag dash.

Andy

PS - Good to see you back in the game!

Thanks Andy! Hows the SM car doing?

It collects dust waiting for me to have the time to do anything with it. I doubt it will do much this summer as I don't really expect to have the time to autocross much.

I did the dash non-airbag dash swap over the winter. The weight savings were significant. Probably 15 pounds. (Are you reading this, Jay?) The car weighs about 2630 pounds with full fluids.

I've got a new ECU and a new transmission as the next "to do" items. I'll probably get the transmission taken care of... I have a case and a front diff, just need to replace the guts. New ECU will involve some wiring and it will probably be a winter project.

Yes....I'm reading, Andy. For me, I'll hold off on that dash until I take the car out of daily driving status. I don't mind pretzeling my mini steering wheel if I'm by myself in the car, but I would hate to put my passengers (except maybe Shchipkov :)) at any more risk for 15lbs. even though I'm generally pretty sedate when driving on the street.

Our DSP car should come out of hibernation at some point this summer. Wheels are about to be ordered and I'll finish the trans issues we have. Patrick L may get a skid delivered to do a rebuild if we find it needs it. At least the wheels will be usable ob both cars until then. 15x10" SpinWerkes for the 275 Hoo$iers.

Jay Storm

What is your source for wheels? Pricing?

We're going straight thru www.SpinWerkes.com. They should be about $249/ea.

Jay Storm

What kind of spring rates are you DSP-RS guys using?

750lbs fronts
600lbs rears
25mm FSB
20mm RSB

Hope to have some good vids after the Fort Worth Tour. Hope to have a bit more fun then I had at the Arkansas Prosolo. Cold weather and not getting anywhere in the challenge sucked, even though I quailified like 4th.

Sounds like the KC Tour may still happen. I would like to see it happen as it is a awsome site. Elevation changes and on and off camber corners.

Hope to have the new motor built well before Nats. Would like to make another Prosolo and run the Finale but I will be doing some else the weekend of the Finale. I plan to be at a School/Regional Race at Hallett that weekend to get my club racing licence. Got a good friend that has a WRX wagon that is all prepped out. He kind of owes me as I rebuild his stock tranny as a backup and another for the primary race tranny and done an bunch other work on it. Can't wait for Sept.

Those spring rates are pretty ballpark. I'm running 800/600 without any bars.

I, personally, don't like the rear bar. It was really limiting my droop travel in the rear, causing dog-legging. When I removed the rear bar, I had less rear brake lockup problems and it was easier to put power down leaving a corner. I think the front bar is a driver preference thing.

The big front bar helps keep the car from 3 wheeling.

750lbs fronts
600lbs rears
25mm FSB
20mm RSB

Thank you. I'm still wondering how you get rotation with that swaybar combo.

Also very cool to hear about the longetivity of the RS motor. I remember people claiming valve float at 6500, and weak bottom end. Your testimony has me convinced they were wrong. My RS will turn over 92k on the way home from work tonight.

How about backspacing/offset on those 10" wheels?

Depending on your suspension setup, 6-6.5" of backspace is about the most you'd want to go. Having strut mounting tabs like those on the ZZYZX units will allow for even more.

Even with all the backspace you can get, the sheer size and grip of the tires will be putting a good amount of stress on the bearings. Having backup hubs isn't completely overkill.

Jay Storm

those zzyzx struts are some of the nicest i've ever seen. very nice. didn't see a price on 'em though....

yes, a couple back up hubs would be cheaper than a tow bill.

Irregardless of the price on the ZZYZX struts, they are one of those parts which are actually worth the price. Figure $1800ish for the single adjustable steel version and 2x that for double adjustable aluminum bodies.

Jay

I'll vouch for the 2x on the double adjustable aluminum body units. But well worth it. Not only are the parts very high quality, the support you get from Steve is incredible. If you can swing it, go for it - you won't buy a better product.

The only knock is that the dampers are only Koni 8600 series units, but in SP and up, trick dampers aren't that important. And the 8600 series is good parts, just not Penske / Moton / JRZ territory (IMO.)

I wouldn't doubt the price being higher on the aluminum units these days. Inflation has been a real bugger lately.

Do you guys running the bigger front bars and stiffer front springs have any problems getting your cars to rotate well? Any mid corner or corner exit understeer issues?

pics from today's local event. .2sec off FTD and 2nd in Pax.
plus incar. http://youtube.com/watch?v=emfn3gnfD9s
I know, my fronts are a bit worn out. :p
http://members.cox.net/patrick109/DSCN0180_2.JPG
http://members.cox.net/patrick109/DSCN0181_2.JPG

What does your second gear go up to? That's a lot of time on the rev limiter.

Let's see...

2.5RS + Raised rev-limit + Shorty tires = 52 mph (more or less)

Let's see...

2.5RS + Raised rev-limit + Shorty tires = 52 mph (more or less)

7000rpm, about 56mph

Excellent. :cool:

Regarding the understeer question that Possum raised... this was solved with a front LSD, yes? My car does not exhibit heavy understeer at corner exit, but it does show some tendencies. My front LSD is still sitting in its box, installation (in a soon to be rebuilt transmission) is pending an employer's meeting this week. I'm wondering if I need to look for more solutions to mild on-throttle understeer.

The R does 41mph in 1st gear with the stock rev limit. It hasn't even reached its power peak by the time the RS hits red line. I love how diametrically opposed some of the cars in this class can be.

Oh, yeah. Event 2 went well. Still no heads up competition with Mike though. That slacker still hasn't finished putting his car back together. I finally got my header and test pipe onto the car. The bump in power is both noticeable and quite fun. Now I'm starting to generate a little wheel spin coming off tight corners. That will probably get cured with fresh tires as the fronts are starting to show a little cord now. (used tires, I've put another 14 runs on them)

And as far as under steer is concerned? Yeah, none here. OEM torsen diff. Car is neutral on throttle, loose off the throttle and depending on what I'm doing with the steering wheel and brake pedal it could be loose or tight under braking. Of course, I've only run 2 events and both were 50* out. Warmer weather might make the car pick up a push. Fortunately for me, I still have a bunch of rear camber I can dial out.

I just noticed a size I have never seen in a A6, 275/45ZR16
Problem is that it's a 25.6" diameter. What? why is a 45 series 16" tire a 25.6".
Wish it was a 35 series.

275/40R17 is shorter than that in A6.

I just noticed the extra doors on that one....Still has the AC?? I can still see the condenser, your summers are prolly just a little longer/hotter than ours.:)

What does it weigh?

Bitchin' car.

Patrick, I keep asking you about rotation with the 25f/20r combo.......

I was just on the Daimond site, looks like $85ish ea. for 15x10 road race series in black. Are those the ones you're using?

I just noticed a size I have never seen in a A6, 275/45ZR16...

Should have been there all along, since it's the size I used to run with the A3 and the A4s on my Camaro. ;)

Karen

Even the 265-45-16 was a pretty tall tire. I'm thinking the 275-45-16 would be worse yet. Karen's Camarobird wouldn't have any trouble turning those....the RS would probably not like it too much.

Jay
Awaiting a quote on SpinWerkes 15x10's that'll clear WRX front brakes.

I just noticed the extra doors on that one....Still has the AC?? I can still see the condenser, your summers are prolly just a little longer/hotter than ours.:)

What does it weigh?

Bitchin' car.

Patrick, I keep asking you about rotation with the 25f/20r combo.......

I was just on the Daimond site, looks like $85ish ea. for 15x10 road race series in black. Are those the ones you're using?

I forgot the accuall name, but it's something like that. Mine were $95 a wheel.

I think it weighs around 2750. I have had it down too 2700 with out the A/C but the summers are hot here.

I just noticed the extra doors on that one....Still has the AC?? I can still see the condenser, your summers are prolly just a little longer/hotter than ours.:)

What does it weigh?

Bitchin' car.

Patrick, I keep asking you about rotation with the 25f/20r combo.......

I was just on the Daimond site, looks like $85ish ea. for 15x10 road race series in black. Are those the ones you're using?

Not sure how the DSP and R-comp guys like it, but in Street Touring trim, the car rotates nicely. It is not twitchy by any means, and additional rotation is only a tire pressure bump in the rear away. It makes for a very nuetral car in my case.

Patrick, I noticed the wear pattern on your tires. Is it possible you're running too much front camber. Or is that wear from wheel spin? Or did you just flip the tires?
I'm sure you spent a lot of time figuring this all out but I'm just curious on the wear pattern.

The car looks great (other than the OBX sticker:eek:). I hope you do a number to the BMW's this next year.

Not sure how the DSP and R-comp guys like it, but in Street Touring trim, the car rotates nicely. It is not twitchy by any means, and additional rotation is only a tire pressure bump in the rear away. It makes for a very nuetral car in my case.

Yeah but most ST guys run the heavier springs in the rear. I run the opposite, 750f 600r. Car is very stable as long as I can get some heat in the rear tires. Had a big problem with that at the Newport Prosolo with air temps in the mid 40's.

Patrick, I noticed the wear pattern on your tires. Is it possible you're running too much front camber. Or is that wear from wheel spin? Or did you just flip the tires?
I'm sure you spent a lot of time figuring this all out but I'm just curious on the wear pattern.

The car looks great (other than the OBX sticker:eek:). I hope you do a number to the BMW's this next year.

Camber is at -2.5 which is just right, they are wearing even. There is just a bit rubber buildup over the inside groove. Hoosier was trying to tell me I was not running enough. I ran -3.0 early early last year and about killed in the insides. I have about 7 degress of caster up front.

Well if you only knew why I was running that. I have a OBX front diff and catback. OBX has a contingency program which they will reinburse you if you win a national event.

Camber is at -2.5 which is just right, they are wearing even. There is just a bit rubber buildup over the inside groove. Hoosier was trying to tell me I was not running enough. I ran -3.0 early early last year and about killed in the insides. I have about 7 degress of caster up front.

Well if you only knew why I was running that. I have a OBX front diff and catback. OBX has a contingency program which they will reinburse you if you win a national event.


It's tough to tell from pictures. The car looks very fast and it's obvious you're doing the right things. Now if only someone can dethrone those damned BMW's.:furious:


I only said that about OBX because they screwed me on a set of coilovers. So I refuse to use ANY of their parts. But that's for another thread.

talk about some body roll on that first post pic

doesn't look like alot of body roll to me. The surface/corner looks off camber, so it kinda looks like the car is leaning more than it actually is.

doesn't look like alot of body roll to me. The surface/corner looks off camber, so it kinda looks like the car is leaning more than it actually is.

Plus when you got that much crip :D and yes it was off camber.

I would love a ride in that car, too bad you're 2000 miles away! I guess I'll just have to build my own.;)

Not sure if it got mentioned here, but Gilbert De Los Reyes (I think he is "madlib" on NASIOC) won DSP at the SFR Regional in Berkeley CA last weekend!

This includes beating a field that included multi-time National Champ Vic Sias in a DSP BMW E36 :D

Congrats, Gil!

Not sure if it got mentioned here, but Gilbert De Los Reyes (I think he is "madlib" on NASIOC) won DSP at the SFR Regional in Berkeley CA last weekend!

This includes beating a field that included multi-time National Champ Vic Sias in a DSP BMW E36 :D

Congrats, Gil!

Congrats, what was he driving?

2.5rs on 285's :)

Not sure if it got mentioned here, but Gilbert De Los Reyes (I think he is "madlib" on NASIOC) won DSP at the SFR Regional in Berkeley CA last weekend!

This includes beating a field that included multi-time National Champ Vic Sias in a DSP BMW E36 :D

Congrats, Gil!

Nice! Congrats to Gil, I hope he makes it up to a Reno event again soon so we can congratulate him in person up here.

Bryan H's pics from the Divisional can be viewed here: http://www.pbase.com/bryanh/08div1

Hey Pat where do you get the contingency info for OBX?

Thanks

Josh

Not sure if it got mentioned here, but Gilbert De Los Reyes (I think he is "madlib" on NASIOC) won DSP at the SFR Regional in Berkeley CA last weekend!

This includes beating a field that included multi-time National Champ Vic Sias in a DSP BMW E36 :D

Congrats, Gil!


Congrats Gil!

http://www.propartsusa.com/information.php?osCsid=efbc199c8000fa0164e2a3f82fd e21df&info_id=19

results can be seen here, it was a good weekend for Subaru, especially for the series contingency :)


Max Hayter - STU
Sebastian Rios - STX
Annie Bauer - STU-L
Patty Wang - HS-L

Camber is at -2.5 which is just right, they are wearing even. There is just a bit rubber buildup over the inside groove. Hoosier was trying to tell me I was not running enough. I ran -3.0 early early last year and about killed in the insides. I have about 7 degress of caster up front.

Well if you only knew why I was running that. I have a OBX front diff and catback. OBX has a contingency program which they will reinburse you if you win a national event.

What is your camber in the rear? Is it still 1.5? Have you tried more, if so how did the car work with more?

Well done Mike and Chris. You guys kicked my butt. Once the course dried out the strengths of the BMW shined through. And while hazing the tires all the way to the finish (in 2nd gear!) was fun, I think it may be time for fresh rubber. :banana:

What is your camber in the rear? Is it still 1.5? Have you tried more, if so how did the car work with more?

It's 2.5 on all four wheels. I may try -2 in the rear later.

Hey Pat where do you get the contingency info for OBX?

Thanks

Josh

http://www.obxracingsports.com/contingency_program.php

"As a special incentive, OBX will refund the cost of the product should you win 1st or 2nd place in any nationally advertised racing or car show event within one year of your sponsorship grant date. To receive this refund, submit your original purchase receipt along with written documentation from the event promoter. A designated OBX representative will review all documents for validity prior to authorizing the refund."


Makes me wonder if they will give you anything even for the National event in Topeka?
Technically it's not nationally advertised. Or I've never seen it advertised.

"As a special incentive, OBX will refund the cost of the product should you win 1st or 2nd place in any nationally advertised racing or car show event within one year of your sponsorship grant date. To receive this refund, submit your original purchase receipt along with written documentation from the event promoter. A designated OBX representative will review all documents for validity prior to authorizing the refund."


Makes me wonder if they will give you anything even for the National event in Topeka?
Technically it's not nationally advertised. Or I've never seen it advertised.

Technically it is advertised nationally, mags, website (speedtv & more).
Tours and Prosolos are considered National events.

Technically it is advertised nationally, mags, website (speedtv & more).
Tours and Prosolos are considered National events.


Were you able to confirm with them that that is the case? Sorry, I'm just very very weary of trusting them.
I either have a very bad memory or I didn't notice the add. Looking in my mags....

It's 2.5 on all four wheels. I may try -2 in the rear later.

Have you always been at 2.5 with these tires?

Have you always been at 2.5 with these tires?

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22133962&postcount=136

Unfortunately, I bought mine unused, but secondhand nonetheless.....no soup for me.....:sadbanana:

Jay
"As a special incentive, OBX will refund the cost of the product should you win 1st or 2nd place in any nationally advertised racing or car show event within one year of your sponsorship grant date. To receive this refund, submit your original purchase receipt along with written documentation from the event promoter. A designated OBX representative will review all documents for validity prior to authorizing the refund."


Makes me wonder if they will give you anything even for the National event in Topeka?
Technically it's not nationally advertised. Or I've never seen it advertised.

Unfortunately, I bought mine unused, but secondhand nonetheless.....no soup for me.....:sadbanana:

Jay


He didn't have the receipt??

If it were me...I'd have made darn sure the buyer got the receipt. Can't say the same thing for kids nowadays.... I even contacted OBX about it. They shot me down....that's why there's still a Quaife decal on the RS and thinking about putting one on the Brighton too.....

But....we may ick up another OBX diff to keep in a spare box for the RS. If that happens, well, I'll be sending in paperwork for contingency.

Jay

Oh yeah, we should be seeing a test wheel from Spin Werkes shortly. I gave them caliper/rotor measurements from a WRX, in case we ever decided to upgrade for a future trip to Targa NewFoundland....but it can't be done in 15x10 with a 6" backspace. They told me 4.5" would be close, but no way with that much offset. I settled for using RS caliper/rotor measurements (thanks Pat!) and will be testing a tack welded wheel for fitment before giving the final OK on production. Should be worth the investment down the road.....

Jay Storm

Excellent news on the wheel. One more reason for me to downgrade to the RS calipers (I currently have WRX calipers on my car.)

I'll be sure to post whatever PN they end up being. I have to say that so far, the folks at Spin Werkes have been very nice to deal with.

Jay Storm

Dude I want 15" spinners. lol

Dude I want 15" spinners. lolThat would be pretty funny! :alien: I can't remember who put the whoo-whoo whistle on their car this past year.......Red Civic or Mini (iirc). Darn thing made me chuckle EVERY time it went by.....:lol:

Jay

That was Craig Wilcox's GS Mini. It had something to do with the way the exhaust tip was made and was not intentional.
I was making fun of it earlier last year.

Well, here's some pics of the 15x10" SpinWerkes wheel. It looks lust like any other circle track wheel, but it's all aluminum. Weighs 15lbs as it sits here...but no steel lug inserts yet and the center isn't welded (or polished) yet (pressed in for test fitting).
http://thumb19.webshots.net/t/66/666/6/50/91/2015650910094569859zHlwbX_th.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2015650910094569859zHlwbX) http://thumb19.webshots.net/t/58/758/3/57/44/2133357440094569859fyWkzs_th.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2133357440094569859fyWkzs) http://thumb19.webshots.net/t/66/666/1/83/83/2372183830094569859VrQLCr_th.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2372183830094569859VrQLCr)
It clears the RS caliper by about 1/4", so I don't think a WRX is gonna be able to use them. Maybe with a spacer.... I show good clearance at full lock but our splash guards are pretty well cut away to run the 285-30-18's. Rears should be fine since these will be 1.9" shorter in overall diameter. We might even get to lower the car back down a little bit, or alot and cut the fenders. Top speed at our 8000rpm limit in 2nd should be 63mph, which is down from the 68mph we'd see with the 285-30-18. The best part is that we can use them on the FSP car too.

..........WARNING: FSP CONTENT BELOW..........
This brings up a big question for me at the moment. In FSP, I can choose to UD/BD between the Brighton trans, which has RS gearing (and 3.90 final drive ratio) or the OBS trans, which has a taller 2/3/4 ratio, same 3.90 FD. According to a gear ratio calculator, my top speeds at the rev limit in 2nd gear would look like this with the two different trannies and wheel sizes. Which would you choose based on the below info?

225-45-13:
OBS box= 57mph
Brighton box= 53mph

275-35-15:
OBS box= 63mph
Brighton box= 58mph

Which box would you choose to run given the above choice? Let me add that when I ran the 13's on the Brighton box, I was more than 2 sec behind (some of) the national front runners in FSP. When I switched to the OBS box, I closed to within .5 sec and really like the way the car drives, pulls and handles. 275's are going on the car.....that's a given. I stuck trying to decide if the jump from 58 to 63mph will be too much and hurt corner exits and other slow speed stuff. The car currently has no trans in it (another story)....so whatever I decide now will (most likely) have to do for the season, unless it's totally wrong.

Any input is greatly appreciated. What sayeth the hive???

Jay Storm

Jay, I'd go with the OBS box. I started this season in FSP with the '93 box, with tallish gears and 4.11s, and now have the '00 OBS box with RS gears and 3.90s. I like it better with the taller gears, I'm hitting third gear less often. Of course, I'm on stock ECU programming and 225/45R16s so this affects my opinion somewhat.

Which would you choose based on the below info?

225-45-13:
OBS box= 57mph
Brighton box= 53mph

275-35-15:
OBS box= 63mph
Brighton box= 58mph
Jay,

Even though I think they have the same outside diamater, if *considering* staying with a 13" wheel & tire, I'd go with the new 255/40/13. Jinx has been stupid fast on that new tire!!! :eek:

Btw, I'd also go with the OBS box. The gears on the Brighton box are just too short for most national style courses.

-Chike

That's just it.....we are moving to the 275-35-15 for my car too. And even though the brighton box has the same ratios as the RS, the final drive is 3.90, so they run longer than what a typical RS would. I am leary of the OBS gearing being too tall for the majority of the courses that is below the top of 2nd gear and possibly out of the powerband of an EJ22. I see where Jinx is putting down some very quick times for an FSP car, I was happy to gain as much on him throughout last season as I did. I don't wanna start going the other way....again....

What year(s) did the L or non-RS get the 4.11 final drive. My literature isn't showing it. I can crunch the numbers on the OBS ratios with 4.11 to see what that changes.....but that's alot more time and money in gearing changes to consider. I still have a motor to finish! If all goes well, it should be making more power than a typical EJ25....which adds a whole 'nuther variable to getting the trans right.

Ban SUVs: What's your accelleration like? Are you creeping out of corners or clawing out on the edge of traction? I'm at the clawing end of things now, and it's kinda nice!

Thanks for the advice, and keep it coming! I have many things to consider in making the right decision. Of course, buying another OBX diff for the Brighton box would be ideal....I can then use some local events to test.

Jay Storm

1993 and 1994 Impreza AWD had 4.11, but longer gears. AFAIK every other non-RS had 3.90, but there were 2 or 3 gear ratio sets in the boxes. Honestly, I've only got 4 days total on this car now, 2 on each box and torque to the ground feels about the same. Since I know the OBS box goes farther in 2nd and I can't feel an appreciable loss of power, I like this box better.

Okay, Saw those pop up on my chart for 4.11 final drive. That opens up more options.

Sorry for the hijack! Somewhat on-topic.....I ended up using this site for my calculations, a little more precise than the numbers I posted earlier, which were from a different site.
http://www.fatboyraceworks.com/gears/index.php

Jay

jay... stick w/ the lower gearing... even if you have to shift more. It will really help and you know suby's have good torque in low RPM's.

I drove pat's car last year and although taller gearing would be fine for his (if it were a legal option) I wouldn't want it in a EJ22.

Jon

.... I guess I'll just have to build my own.;) want help with that? ;)

...yeah, if you show up with a car like one of these you know who's going to be begging for a co-drive right?

want help with that? ;)

...yeah, if you show up with a car like one of these you know who's going to be begging for a co-drive right?

anytime Doug. I was thinking today that I should have asked you for a ride on Sunday. I think you had me by over a second! I'm gonna try and have it ready for DSP by next year. Been looking at '89 Civics this week a little. Thinking I should sell/trade the Miata for one of those. Need to make up my mind and concentrate on one car! (or rob a bank:lol:)

Good luck this weekend!

Well, here's some pics of the 15x10" SpinWerkes wheel.
Jay Storm

Jay,

Any update on the finished SpinWerkes wheels?

I thought they'd be on my porch when I got home from DC last night....but they aren't here yet. Probably sometime this week. Then my codriver and I will have to order tires ($$$).

We'll have to have them before the toledo pro....early enough to figure out the proper setup with them.

Jay Storm

Jay,

I wish I knew you were there this weekend, I would've tried finding you. Would've liked to ask you a few things. Still trying to get the car setup in DSP and did ok this weekend given the current setup (red RS #99), but it still needs a lot more work.

I saw you (and your other half) but was always getting caught up in finding water, shade or food. You have enough tire under the car.....they may be a bit tall though. I managed to catch a few of your runs, which didn't look all that bad. Mike and Alex are just freakin screaming now.....unreal how quick they've gotten in the last couple years.

I was pretty impressed with Nate's "hype-R" as well. Looks like the 275's are a sure bet. Now if only Hankook would make that size!

Jay

Jay, will you be at the Finger Lakes ProSolo? I'm curious to see your car and those wheels.

And what's with the 2.5RS in FSP (Ed George) at the DC ProSolo and also signed up for the Finger Lakes one?
-N

I saw you (and your other half) but was always getting caught up in finding water, shade or food. You have enough tire under the car.....they may be a bit tall though. I managed to catch a few of your runs, which didn't look all that bad. Mike and Alex are just freakin screaming now.....unreal how quick they've gotten in the last couple years.

I was pretty impressed with Nate's "hype-R" as well. Looks like the 275's are a sure bet. Now if only Hankook would make that size!

Jay

I hear ya, part of the reason I didn't even see any of the FSP cars running was cause I was searching for water and shade after running and also waiting to get released from impound. Those guys are definitely sick fast, but I still have some things that can be done, and will have a chance to test it against them as they're in my local region. I've been procrastinating in getting the measurements I need for the 15's to run 275/35-15's (wanna make sure I'll clear the lower spring perches on my c/o's) as I'm currently rubbing even though I'm running nearly 0 degrees of camber in the rear. I have some EM to do in order to increase the rev limit and tune for something better than 87 octane, and still have a bunch of weight reduction stuff I can do. Hopefully it will make up at least some of the difference needed, the rest will be self improvement, but I just hope it will be enough and get done before September rolls around.

Also, Nate is not one to be counted out either. He had a slight disadvantage in comparo to the BMW's this weekend in torque needed to get up the hill (really noticeable in the side by side launches), but he's been kicking ass up at Devens and still has a few things he can do to prep the car as well.

I had my own issues in getting a good launch and 60ft. as the green civic always seemed to be kicking my ass to the first corner, oh yeah and the first heat when I lined up next to Franson... I don't really wanna talk about it (it was my first Pro event and also my first time lining up at a light tree)

Jay, will you be at the Finger Lakes ProSolo? I'm curious to see your car and those wheels.

And what's with the 2.5RS in FSP (Ed George) at the DC ProSolo and also signed up for the Finger Lakes one?
-N

I was wondering the same thing, on both accounts

I was wondering the same thing, on both accounts

I thought maybe he didn't update his car profile on the registration form. It was actually an RS and not a rebadged L or something?

he he he..... yeah, my codriver never updated his profile for registration. If I was still 2.5sec back from Jinx in our RS....I'd take up knitting or something.

As it stands, I haven't signed up for the Finger Lakes event yet. My codriver already has, so I just need to pay some bills and get registered.

I must get the new motor finished quickly......time is running out!

Jay

Jay,

I wish I knew you were there this weekend, I would've tried finding you. Would've liked to ask you a few things. Still trying to get the car setup in DSP and did ok this weekend given the current setup (red RS #99), but it still needs a lot more work.

d00d, you had a great improvement on Sunday. Don't worry about the cibic beating you to the first turn. When I was running my Civic in ST, I'd do that to Corey at Pro's. You probably have less WHP then that little civic did.... Hell, I think my Civic could have outrun the R to the first turn!

I can't really blame the courses or the car for me being slow though. Eric did really well and he still has just a GSR motor in his car. :shrug: I'm really not driving this thing well I think. I know I was overdriving on Saturday afternoon, improving to just driving slow on Sunday morning. :sadbanana:

Good seeing everyone. Sorry to not have met or said hi to all those I missed. I was busy melting my brain with heat exhaustion on Friday and Saturday.

^^^ Amen to that! (melting in the heat)

Jay

Just got back home from a Midiv Solo at HPT. Car was great all weekend and can't wait for nats.
I won DSP by 1.7sec over the car to have in the Class(BimmerHaus 3 series). Could't get away from the low 46's on Sunday. Run1)46.245 2) 46.215 + 1 3) 46.244 4) 46.250 + 2
BTW, 9th in Pax, WOOOHOOO!!!
Here are the results, we ran the west course from Nats last year. Right way on Saturday and wrong way on Sunday.
http://www.myautoevents.com:80/pls/mae/frmEventDetail.ShowResults?psEVENT_ID=8508
I'll have some pics of the car has new stickers and some incar as soon as I get it from the gotcone.com guys.

Also News:
Chirsty Carlson from Lincoln, NE who normally drives a ASL STI is driving my car now and will be at Nats. First time in the car this weekend and ran faster then the fastest DSPL on the west course from 2007.

Excellent result Pat!!! Hopefully this year will be yours at Nats! :devil:

Oooh.....I smell an upset!!!!!

Great Job Pat!!!! I'll email you to talk tech on the 275s. As of now, we're really-really liking them!!!!!

Jay

Btw, how's the Topeka grip Pat?

Btw, how's the Topeka grip Pat?
Pretty good. Not sure if the hot surface temps helped compared to nats last year but it was good right off the bat. Best time on west course last year was by Ken Motonishi at a 46.960 with Sheilds at a 47.5 and Shchipkov at a 47.6
I ended up with a 47.3. The course was getting it's dirty areas like normal if you got off line. My tires are just about done but I have another set ready for Nats.

Pretty good. Not sure if the hot surface temps helped compared to nats last year but it was good right off the bat. Best time on west course last year was by Ken Motonishi at a 46.960 with Sheilds at a 47.5 and Shchipkov at a 47.6
I ended up with a 47.3. The course was getting it's dirty areas like normal if you got off line. My tires are just about done but I have another set ready for Nats.
Thanks.

So a 47.3 on less-than-fresh 275 Hoosiers!!! Next month is going to be interesting indeed...

Here's a couple pics of the new wheels on the Brighton. I can still come back down 1/2 to 3/4" and we haven't cut anything yet.....They don't stick out any more than the little 13's did. That's a relief since the car was getting wide enough already!

Jay
http://www.noraracing.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=6709&g2_serialNumber=1
http://www.noraracing.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=6707&g2_serialNumber=1
Photos by Dave Lam (aka "sifuspec")

Car looks amazing Jay. How's rotation with the 275's in the back?

Thanks Chike. It's pretty balanced right now....and the tires are old. I just wanted to get rubber on them to see where we needed to go with the suspension and alignment. I almost forgot what it was like to just pour the car into corners without needing to brake! Also, dam that Hoosier crack! I've been off the pipe for 4-5yrs......one event on 'em and I'm hooked again!

They definately show the lack of power in this motor (compared to the DSP EJ25). Thank god the new one is closer to being ready! I'm going to need another 20hp and 20ft/lbs to make up for the extra rotational mass!

Jay Storm

They definately show the lack of power in this motor (compared to the DSP EJ25). Thank god the new one is closer to being ready! I'm going to need another 20hp and 20ft/lbs to make up for the extra rotational mass!

Jay Storm
Jay,

Will the new motor be in the car and broken in by the Pro Fianle & Nats? About 1 more month to go...

There's a real good picture of me in Topeka working on injector wiring at 3AM under the light of Comfort Inn's parking lot so I could make tech inspection with the fabricated intake manifold on the DSP car. The motor will be done and in hopefully by next weekend. I daily drive it, so break-in shouldn't be a problem!!! It won't be pretty....but it'll be functional!:lol:

Jay
Jay,

Will the new motor be in the car and broken in by the Pro Fianle & Nats? About 1 more month to go...

There's a real good picture of me in Topeka working on injector wiring at 3AM under the light of Comfort Inn's parking lot so I could make tech inspection with the fabricated intake manifold on the DSP car.
:lol::lol::lol:

Let's not aim to repeat that one. We need you rested if you're going to take down "The Jinx"! :devil:

Some of me running the normal way on the west course.
http://gotcone.com/pgallery//images/2008_autocross/08_02_-_08_03_2008_midiv_-_topeka__ks/img_5294.jpg
http://gotcone.com/pgallery//images/2008_autocross/08_02_-_08_03_2008_midiv_-_topeka__ks/img_5394.jpg

and some of Chirsty
http://gotcone.com/pgallery//images/2008_autocross/08_02_-_08_03_2008_midiv_-_topeka__ks/img_4460.jpg
http://gotcone.com/pgallery//images/2008_autocross/08_02_-_08_03_2008_midiv_-_topeka__ks/img_5868.jpg

oooh...new sticker job. very nice, Pat. Here's a few pics from SFR Divisionals.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/dmadlib/77Subaru2.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/dmadlib/77Subaru.jpg

Looks sinister Pat! I'm diggin' those black wheels! My car ain't fast enough to consider putting a west coast spoiler on...... Can't wait to see y'all out there!!!!

Should I pack RS rotors just in case? ;)

Jay

Sweet man, long time since we talked last. Car looks good
Can't wait for Nationals. Thx again for the help last year. :o
I think that problem is a thing of the past.

Thx for the comments guys.

videos
Note: I didn't run with the muffle on Saturday. Plus the Saturday run was my first and only run I got on tape as the battery went dead. All my other runs I shifted into 3rd before the shicane.

Saturday
Christy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFth3fFUNfU
Pat Lipsinic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VO9iHsFNls

Sunday
Pat Lipsinic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdzZ8MiC5yg

A little over a week until nats so I thought I'd bring this back up. Teh R is getting stronger every event, and the results of the last two events are really promising. Assuming I don't drive like an @ss, I shouldn't embarrass myself too badly. The motor seems fairly strong, the handling seems pretty good, and the fun factor when you "get it right" in this car is WAY up. I don't think it's ready to upset the status quo just yet, but I hope to beat up on everything without a roundel on it! :devil:

A little over a week until nats so I thought I'd bring this back up. Teh R is getting stronger every event, and the results of the last two events are really promising. Assuming I don't drive like an @ss, I shouldn't embarrass myself too badly. The motor seems fairly strong, the handling seems pretty good, and the fun factor when you "get it right" in this car is WAY up. I don't think it's ready to upset the status quo just yet, but I hope to beat up on everything without a roundel on it! :devil:
LOL Whipple. I heard Pat is taking names this year in his 2.5RS! :devil:

Hope you do well out there. DSP is always a stacked class.

As long as he's just taking names of those that are going to finish ahead of him, I guess he can take mine.... :devil:

Well I am shooting for atleast the podium, but I have to tell you. If I hadn't had the rotor problem last year. It was going to be a tight battle between Alex and I for 2nd. The car is better then last year and has gotten to the point where it has speed now. It comes down to tires (got a new set) and the driver (hopefully doesn't have his head up his, your know what). We ran the West course from last year at our Midiv at Topeka. On way less than fresh Hoosiers and beat Mike Shield's and Alex's times on my first run on cold tires. I figured I could have matched Ken's time if on fresh tires. Like I said, it's got speed but it's going to come down to me.
I am removing every bit of weight that is not needs and or can be taken out legally. I still have the A/C in the car. I am pulling the compressor and condensor this week.

That include Liposuction?


.....runs and hides....... :)

Jay

WTF!! Who told you!!! I am going to burn them!!!!!!!! :diaf:

:lol:


BTW, Blind Tiger, next week, Thrusday night meet? Anyone and everyone. Good time to get together and hang out.

All in good fun Pat! I'm excited to see how it shakes up for you. Also, You KNOW I'll be at the blind tiger.....I need another glass at home!!!!

(unless I break something else on the car)


Jay

I'm still trying to figure out where the 2.5RS has an advantage on the BMW. Slow digs is all I can come up with, but I've yet to actually drive a well setup 2.5RS. I know where the R has it's advantages, and I don't see the 2.5RS doing better at those things then the R does. Those mid-speed digs is where I get hurt. Not slow enough for 1st, not fast enough for 2nd. A longish corner right around 30mph followed by a straight and I get eaten alive.

You're removing your a/c? Does that mean I'm going to be the only car in DSP with the a/c still in the car and functioning?

mid to slow speed corners the car does very well to get though the corners. This is probably partly to do with the short tires. Also, I have some video from nationals that shows how well my car handles slaloms compare to the others. I wish I had a data logger to compare. Traction is not an issue. The front lsd in my car is a big help. All I really need now is a fresh motor and a strong rear lsd. IMO, I think it would be mistake to use the tarmac center diff(35/65 split) as it would make less stable through slaloms and mid speed corners.

IMO, I think it would be mistake to use the tarmac center diff(35/65 split) as it would make less stable through slaloms and mid speed corners.

I was thinking something like that Cusco 60/40 tarmac diff would be a good direction to try for next year. Do you prefer the 4kgN viscous stock one or do you think a stronger viscous (like the 20kgN in the really old STis) would be an improvement? I've always felt like the viscous one we have was a little too weak, so I'm curious about your own line of reasoning. Maybe you'll save me some money ;-)
-N

I am not saying to not go with a stronger center diff. I am say that a rear dias center diff is ment for the track and not autocross. Go with a normal split.

Hrm, should be interesting to see how your car's slalom performance compares to the R. Handling wise I don't see a mac strut car beating the R, but then, teh Arrr c4n nev4r l00se!!!!eleventy!

If only I had the money for DSP :(

Good luck guys!

Rut roh! The wrong car is doing well in DSP, in a ProSolo none-the-less! :lol:

.098 behind Shipkov.

Go NATE!!!!

Yeah, saw that. Wish I could have been there. Maybe next year. Good job Nate!
Only thing that probably sucked was going up against Hollis in the first round of the Challenge.

Yeah, saw that. Wish I could have been there. Maybe next year. Good job Nate!
Only thing that probably sucked was going up against Hollis in the first round of the Challenge.

I got word that the Shields BMW broke the transmission. They started swapping it out yesterday and it should be done today.

Bummer. :( Things breaking at nats sucks.

--kC

Some incar from the KC Tour. These are two of my runs from the second day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swc1fTcqr_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4jHIa-IxHU

So yeah, the car is definitely a contender. Rain or shine. Oil issue is interesting... I went through 2qrts driving out to nats, but only 1qrt (actually, not quite a full qrt. It was down 1/2qrt after nats and I added a qrt through the drive home. Now its only down 1/4qrt) driving back. Conclusion? I was overfilling the oil and blowing the excess off. It still smokes when you let off the throttle though, and you can smell it pretty badly at stop lights and when coasting to a stop. It also started smoking at idle at one point during the Pro when I let it idle too long while trying to warm it up. I'll do the bottom end this winter and that should fix it right. I need to get it to a dyno at some point too.

Pat, great to see you again. And a :beer: to Steve for bringing you a radiator. Any plans to build a motor for your car this winter?

Another year to make it faster.... should be interesting!

How many of you would interested in a 15x10 Rota wheel.
If so, Let me know as I am trying to get Suby_dude to Rota make one in a Slipsteam or whatever style would be the best for weight strenght. If I can get 20 people. We can get this done. I will post this on RS25.com
Spred the word on other places to get the word out.

I'm in, but I'd need a 5x114.3 bolt pattern which IIRC is different then the 2.5RS bolt pattern. Maybe they can have a dual bolt pattern? Also would need a 5.75" backspace/+21 Offset to be optimal for me.

I'd be interested.

I already asked Rota about this and, Pat, you might want to confirm this would Subydude. But, I was told all 20 sets doesn't have to be the same.

For example, every 5 sets could be a different bolt pattern, offset or color as long the total was 20 sets. They just have to make their money back for the mold. So see if the MINI, Focus, Miata, and more Honda guys would also be interested.

Yes, that is correct. any bolt as they start with the base mold and machine from there. For me it would be a 5x100 with a 6.5" or 25mm offset.

***UPDATE***
Just from suby_dude.

We will need 20 people total and every 5 sets has to be the same bolt pattern/color

The Neon guys will not be able to clear any more than 5" of backspace.....that might throw a wrench into things....

If we didn't just spend that much on new wheels, we'd definately be in for at least one set. Let's see what kind of job my codriver can land in the near future, FedEx eliminated his position while we were in Topeka, so we're on an ever tightening budget.

Jay

What is your guys opinion on styles?

I was thinking may these 3 style as they already make them in a 15" so it wouldn't be hard for them to make it in a 10" wide.

GT3

http://www.wheeldude.com/gallery2/d/69193-1/gt3.jpg

Slipstream

http://www.wheeldude.com/gallery2/d/69220-1/slipstream.jpg

Grid

http://www.wheeldude.com/catalog/images/grid_frsb_1.jpg

The Neon guys will not be able to clear any more than 5" of backspace.....that might throw a wrench into things....

If we didn't just spend that much on new wheels, we'd definately be in for at least one set. Let's see what kind of job my codriver can land in the near future, FedEx eliminated his position while we were in Topeka, so we're on an ever tightening budget.

Jay

Well If they commit to 5 sets we can do it. My quote about patteren and color probably goes the same for offset.

Nat, they can do dual bolt pattern.

BTW, my heads and block will be done in the next week. Soon as I get them back. I will start putting the new engine together as I got everything except the bearing which are on the way.

Who'd you get rings through, or did you order the pistons from Subaru w/rings?

BTW: Here's my post over on neons.org..... http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=331794 Feel free to chime in with specifics, corrections or other relative info. With Daddio all but committing to an FSP build, I imagine that he'd be quite interested in at least 2 wheels. That brings up a good point, we would naturally go for a full set of 4, while other platforms may only put them at one end of the car, Right Nate? When Rota talks about sets, it'd be nice to know what they consider a "set", besides the obvious "set" meaning 4 and "pair" meaning 2 ...

Jay

Rota considers 4 wheels as a set. So when Subydude says he needs 20 people to commit, it means Rota wants him to order a total of 80 wheels.

Good to know. I'll pass that info along to the noen peeps.

Jay

Who'd you get rings through, or did you order the pistons from Subaru w/rings?

BTW: Here's my post over on neons.org..... http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=331794 Feel free to chime in with specifics, corrections or other relative info. With Daddio all but committing to an FSP build, I imagine that he'd be quite interested in at least 2 wheels. That brings up a good point, we would naturally go for a full set of 4, while other platforms may only put them at one end of the car, Right Nate? When Rota talks about sets, it'd be nice to know what they consider a "set", besides the obvious "set" meaning 4 and "pair" meaning 2 ...

Jay

The Subaru O/S ring set for the Subaru .50mm O/S pistons.

Different offsets will require a different mold where different bolt patterns would not.

Correct, I would only need 2 wheels as I only use these on the front of my car and have some lightweight Keizer's for my nationals wheels. The Rota's would be regional wheels used to burn off the remains of tires that are too slow to be competitive any more.

Grid or Slipstream would be my vote for style, though weight is a bigger concern for me then how the wheel looks.

I've ordered custom wheels from Rota, and as far as I know, they did not need a different mold for my specified offset.

Pat, did they tell you that all the wheels needed to be the same offset?

I've ordered custom wheels from Rota, and as far as I know, they did not need a different mold for my specified offset.

Pat, did they tell you that all the wheels needed to be the same offset?
Suby_dude told
me that every 5 sets have to be the same pattern, offset and color.

Well, I suppose they could just leave a ton of material on the hub and machine it down for the higher offsets, leaving the material behind for the lower offsets. That will make the wheel notably heavier though.

10-20mm extra thickness around the mounting surface wouldn't have much of an effect on MOI. Difference in wheel weight would be roughly 1/4 to 1/2 pound, but it's all in the center...

Perhaps not motorsports oriented, but you might try hooking up with those crazy Vee-Dubbers wanting 15x9 and 15x10 wheels to stretch 195 tires on their MK3 and MK4 Golfs. Anyone here active on VWVortex? Same 5x100mm bolt pattern for those cars.

And don't forget the Toyota 4ag guys if a run for 4-bolt is in the cards. Lots of Corolla GT-S running around on wide wheels/rubber too.

Just some thoughts to help increase participation.

Chris H.

I was snooping around the vortex while searching for wide 13's.....I haven't been over there in awhile though.

If Rota leaves alot of meat on the mounting pad, the lugnut bores will have to be sunken deeper to account for normal length studs. I'm sure they have a standard depth from taper to pad face....but just throwing it out there.


Jay

If you guys are cool with a 15x10, 5x100 ET25. Let me know via PM. I sent Rota a e-mail to see what style would be the lightest in that size. Nate, I also asked about doing them in a dual bolt pattern. So pass the word on to you Honda/Acura guys if they are interested.
Once all the details are ironed out. I'll get Sudy_dude to setup a group buy.

Storm you got a login with any of the Vdub boards to look for interest?

I am interested in a set of the 15x10's, 5x100 ET25 assuming they will clear RS calipers. Let me know if this deal is going forward.

Anyone in DSP running the WL or 6Gun RCA's? I am considering a set but am concerned about the reliability of the WL's and the 6Gun's fitting under 15" wheels.

Anyone have any experience?

Anyone in DSP running the WL or 6Gun RCA's? I am considering a set but am concerned about the reliability of the WL's and the 6Gun's fitting under 15" wheels.

Anyone have any experience?

Not likely, since they aren't a legal mod in Street Prepared

Right now, I am trying to get a tally of who all is interested.
Remember, need to get 20 sets to make this work. Every 5 sets have to my the same, offset, bolt pattern, color. Can do a dual pattern at ET25 with 5x100 and 5x114.3
As of now I have,
5x100 et25(6.5 BS): Subaru
Trainable
no one
speedyHAM
CamaroFS34
Myself (but will give my spot to another)

I am waiting to hear back on others.

5x100 ET 0(5.5 BS): Neons


Nate, any word for your side of anyone interested?

Will these 15x10's clear 4-pots?

I've been considering swapping my brembos out for 4-pots to run a smaller rim/tire and just wondered if these would fit?

No word on anyone else from me. Besides you suby guys, I don't know many other people with 5x100 bolt patterns. Any word on 5x114.3 bolt patterns with a 6" backspace? Nobody else is building an ITR _yet_, but if anyone does they should be interested in 5x114.3 as well. Probably not enough numbers to help though.

Maybe I should read more of the post. Definite on the dual bolt pattern?

Will these 15x10's clear 4-pots?

I've been considering swapping my brembos out for 4-pots to run a smaller rim/tire and just wondered if these would fit?

Yes that is the plan for them to clear the WRX brakes 4 ad 2 pots


Nate, yes dual pattern.
or if you want a seperate sets with a 6" BS.

I should have my long block assembled by Saturday and preoiled. It will probably go in the weekend after SuperBowl weekend. GO STEELERS!!!
Here are a few pics.
Block and heads fresh from the machine shop
http://members.cox.net/pdlip/block.jpg
http://members.cox.net/pdlip/heads1.jpg

Brand new STI crank. BTW, the RS and STI crank are the same part number.
http://members.cox.net/pdlip/crank.jpg

The assembled short block as it sits now with the oil pump, water pump, oil pickup and a few other bits.
http://members.cox.net/pdlip/longblock1.jpg
http://members.cox.net/pdlip/longblock2.jpg
http://members.cox.net/pdlip/longblock3.jpg

Looks awesome Pat!!!!

I hope y'all can make it to 20 sets!!!

Jay