Watch episode one here:

http://www.subaru.com/sub/misc/2008/autoshow/ny0311/wrx/index.html?link=legend&from=homeTout

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGxzXDxtxtU

too bad the wheels aren't as wide as they look

preview video is like watching a preview but......episode 1 also seems like your watching a preview

they should of called "episode #1" "preview #2" :lol:

too bad the wheels aren't as wide as they look I totally agree with you, it seems as if they made the wheels look very aggressive in the video, but not so much in real life.

wow...that was a waste of time

One simple modification & the Outback Sport advertising campaign is ready to go:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p66e1efe2a505022662d609fb221d8667/e8a1e493.jpg

One simple modification & the Outback Sport advertising campaign is ready to go:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p66e1efe2a505022662d609fb221d8667/e8a1e493.jpg

hahhahah not bad

One simple modification & the Outback Sport advertising campaign is ready to go:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p66e1efe2a505022662d609fb221d8667/e8a1e493.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a383/Kostamojen/rickymoose.jpg

BTW, did anyone notice that weird figure in the background behind the bamboo trees about 1/4th of the way through the vid?

BTW, did anyone notice that weird figure in the background behind the bamboo trees about 1/4th of the way through the vid?


sweet...in a desperate attempt to sell the car, they capitalize on bigfoot

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-americanhistory/Bigfoot.jpg

^LOL, too good, rubrduk!!! :lol: So that's the "Legend" they were talking about! The Legend of Bigfoot!

Yeah, Kostamojen, the elk was my inspiration to make a "Rickyyy" bear. :D

Looked more like this guy:

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/579/579545/hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-the-20050113043117430.jpg

BTW, did anyone notice that weird figure in the background behind the bamboo trees about 1/4th of the way through the vid?

Looks like the silhouette of the Mushroom Princess from Mario Bros!

Wow they could have used a real car...

Wow they could have used a real car...

And Spider Man could have done real stunts. Why limit it to the actual car? It's not supposed to be a boring commercial, it's supposed to be an online mini film.

OMG i dunno why for somereason after watching that video i have more faith the NEW Impreza will own the EVO for good

^^^ That better be sarcasm...

And Spider Man could have done real stunts. Why limit it to the actual car? It's not supposed to be a boring commercial, it's supposed to be an online mini film.

have you seen the BMW or Hammer and Coop films?

have you seen the BMW or Hammer and Coop films?
But in all honesty, Subaru could never pull that off. It has neither the cachet of BMW or the quirky appeal the Mini has.

Not impressed.. the Legend died in 2000.

The Legend was when the Impreza was light, sporty, agile and had as much if not more power than most other things it came across on the road.

Now we have an over weight, *yawn* power level'd ugly car. It just doesnt capture the excitement that won it car of the decade in 1990-2000.

Too mane other cars have more power, are lighter and look better. Back in the mid 90's when the Legend was born, a WRX was a force to be reconed with, now its just another car.

Subaru if you want to recapture the Legend. You need it less than 2900 lbs, it needs more than 300 HP, it needs an agressive face lift, it needs 2 doors and it needs to be under 30K.

THEN you will be in a unique place that no other is in, then you can claim the legend is back.

^^^^^

So why did you buy a new one?

^^^^^

So why did you buy a new one?

Agreed. For Subaru fans, the attitude in this thread stinks.

I'm going to wait at least until the second episode to pass judgement on it. I'd like to believe that the mini films will actually turn out to be pretty cool.

^^^^^

So why did you buy a new one?

Exactly. New. Thats why. If someone made a 350 HP 2900lb 2 Door Impreza that was under 35K I would have bought that. They dont and thats my point.

The Legend died in 2000. Take a look at the performance of a Ford or GM car in the mid 90's, compare that with the performance of the WRX back then. Thats why it was a legend. Look at the performance of the STi and the performance of some of the cars roughly its price. SVT Cobra from 03/04 was a Legend in terms of power, performance and bang-for-the-buck.

Look at it this way

1998 - STi > Cobra in terms of performance.
2004 - Cobra > STi in terms of performance.

save the replies about reliability, straight line vs twisties, lets race on dirt.. blah blah. All that garbage aside, the Subaru's of the 90's were higher in the food chain than the Subaru's of today. I wish Subaru would seek to creep up a few spots and return to its roots of a light, function>form, performance terror.

the new WRX (and its probably a good business decision) is going the other way for more mass appeal. It doesn't deserve the "Legend" moniker , its a nice car I am sure, but its no Legend.

legend never died...
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/images/honda-legend-1.jpg

But in all honesty, Subaru could never pull that off. It has neither the cachet of BMW or the quirky appeal the Mini has.

although true, Subaru still could have put more effort into the films to make them more appealing, as for the first one, it is boring and doesnt make me want to watch the second one. They should show actual clips of the car driving around with a professional driver doing "stunts" at least that would showcase the performance aspect.




As for what Xeno said, I agree. When the WRX first came here, it was so impressive because of the power, speed and agility. No other car of that price range had that capability. Fast forward to 2007. The Mazda Speed 3 comes standard with more HP, very good handling, way better availible options, and at almost 2k less.

Boasting about 225hp is ridiculous in terms of what is available in other cars of equal price. Subaru really needed to step it up with this brand new model to stay competitive, they had the ability to really drive it home but decided to stunt the wrx's potential and IMHO nerf the image of the high performance car the WRX was when it first arrived in America. I hate to say it, but at the pace Subaru is "advancing" the wrx, it will eventually be an overpriced competitor to the toyota Matrix/corolla.

And Spider Man could have done real stunts. Why limit it to the actual car? It's not supposed to be a boring commercial, it's supposed to be an online mini film.

The thing is I can't own spider-man, I can buy a car. You're telling me they couldn't drive a car on dirt for 100 yards?

BTW, a real guy did do a ton of the spider-man stunts.

The thing is I can't own spider-man, I can buy a car. You're telling me they couldn't drive a car on dirt for 100 yards?

BTW, a real guy did do a ton of the spider-man stunts.

This was not a television commercial for the masses. It was an attempt a being different and entertaining to a smaller online audience. Whether they've succeeded in that is a different story. Different and Entertainment are the key goals. Not just product demonstration.

BTW, Spider Man was a terrible movie.

although true, Subaru still could have put more effort into the films to make them more appealing, as for the first one, it is boring and doesnt make me want to watch the second one. They should show actual clips of the car driving around with a professional driver doing "stunts" at least that would showcase the performance aspect.

As for what Xeno said, I agree. When the WRX first came here, it was so impressive because of the power, speed and agility. No other car of that price range had that capability. Fast forward to 2007. The Mazda Speed 3 comes standard with more HP, very good handling, way better availible options, and at almost 2k less.

Boasting about 225hp is ridiculous in terms of what is available in other cars of equal price. Subaru really needed to step it up with this brand new model to stay competitive, they had the ability to really drive it home but decided to stunt the wrx's potential and IMHO nerf the image of the high performance car the WRX was when it first arrived in America. I hate to say it, but at the pace Subaru is "advancing" the wrx, it will eventually be an overpriced competitor to the toyota Matrix/corolla.

While all of this is very relevant, 224hp does the same thing in 2007 than it did in 2001. It's still plenty of power to have fun with although not the best car for a speed pissing match. And although Subaru should stop boasting about that 224hp number, the WRX should still be a better "all purpose" car than other similar hatches (mainly MS3 and GTI). Instead of failing at increasing power, they are claiming better mileage with the current power output which was another hindurance of the WRX. It still retains the power to hold it's own with todays competition as seen in comparison tests for the 2007 WRX. Where they are failing at is their lack of available options for the car, at least in the States.

Subaru doesn't need the WRX to be top dog in it's class with raw power any longer. I don't think that formula will work with todays cars considering the minimal interior given to the 2002 models. A well rounded car will not only hold up better in magazine/online comparison tests, but it will also draw in more diverse buyers. One could argue that if you want more luxury, then a Legacy is the best bet. But with cars like the Mazdaspeed and GTI offering better options, one could argue back that the new WRX is still behind the times with things like blue tooth and pushbotton start.

Exactly. New. Thats why....

So you negated all of the bad things you pointed out because the car is new. As long as it was new then you could overlook all of the dead legend stuff, good to know.

Xeno,


A current model STi will stomp a mudhole in a 93-00 STi, plain and simple. I prefer the GC/GF chassis over the GD/GG, but I do give respect where respect is due.

While all of this is very relevant, 224hp does the same thing in 2007 than it did in 2001. It's still plenty of power to have fun with although not the best car for a speed pissing match. And although Subaru should stop boasting about that 224hp number, the WRX should still be a better "all purpose" car than other similar hatches (mainly MS3 and GTI). Instead of failing at increasing power, they are claiming better mileage with the current power output which was another hindurance of the WRX. It still retains the power to hold it's own with todays competition as seen in comparison tests for the 2007 WRX. Where they are failing at is their lack of available options for the car, at least in the States.


i remember reading somewhere that the increased fuel mileage was somewhere around a 10% increase. that brings us into the ballpark of what... around 29 HIGHWAY miles per gallon. Sure it has increased, but is it enough to really maintain the same horsepower output? especially if you consider the tires are now narrower, which by itself could lead to a higher MPG rating. Granted the AWD system does create a gas guzzeling effect, technologies such as direct injection could help in both power and efficiency yet subaru is slow to update with that tech as well. Its disappointing to say at the least.

If the WRX merely replicates the performance of the outgoing model, it will be able to stomp on the MS3. The place that it will trump the MS3 is in comfort and usability. The Mazdaspeed 3 is to the Mazda 3 as the STi is to the Impreza, not as the WRX is to the Impreza. (Sorry for the SAT analogy, or Conan O'Brien if you like) It involves a much larger jump in power and performance from the base car, and pays the same prices that the STi does for that jump.

When I test drove the MS3, the thing that stuck out in my mind was that it would be a more difficult car to live with everyday than even the outgoing WRX. You are talking about a booming exhaust that crossed the line of annoying (especially around 2,500 - 3,200 rpm where you commute at), tough clutch with a touchy engagement, and a military grade stickshift.

It is a really nice car, but not nearly as liveable as the new WRX is going to be. I think the WRX will most likely provide the power and handling of the MS3 (at least) with the comfort everyday of the GTI. And subaru doesn't need more power for either of these. (although it would be nice if it had 266 lb/ft of torque like SOA is quoting in their letters to customers)

In some circles, talk like that will get you executed :lol:


BTW, Spider Man was a terrible movie.

Xeno,


A current model STi will stomp a mudhole in a 93-00 STi, plain and simple. I prefer the GC/GF chassis over the GD/GG, but I do give respect where respect is due.

no it wont.

I'm not digging the CGI EP1. Subaru, why can't you drive your real car?

BTW, did anyone notice that weird figure in the background behind the bamboo trees about 1/4th of the way through the vid?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/wraithakamrak/impreza_legend_return01.jpg

no it wont.
Not according to those who have reviewed both. With the advances in the DCCD and transmission, the newer cars are pretty tough to beat despite the porkiness.

after that "movie" I'm marking subaru as a spammer in my inbox........ crap,crap,crap.

I didn't like it when I saw it in person at the NYIAS and I don't like the glorified CG version.

and the comment about them going back to their base. according to one rep at the show they're, "looking for a different audience." only later to try and pry her foot out of her mouth.

and the comment about them going back to their base. according to one rep at the show they're, "looking for a different audience." only later to try and pry her foot out of her mouth.

So doing both is unpossible? Or does she just have a wierd foot fetish?

That vid was pretty disappointing; looked really amateur. Honestly, they need to get rid of whomever is responsible for the schizo marketing strategy.

I keep hearing that the new, 'less offensive' body style is because Subaru wants to keep from 'scaring away' customers with its rally heritage, yet here they celebrate a 'legend' (how many times has an appliance been refered to as a legend? My guess is that they are playing up on the performance of models past?) and have a CG WRX blasting it's way thru a jungle. Frankly, I'm starting to see it all as excuses for management that doesn't have any direction.

I've posted the shortened version of this Audi Q7 vid before, but just found what is apparently the full version. Audi doesn't seem to be embarressed of its rally past:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qmADM0mSU-M

I'm sure everyone has seen the Mazdaspeed3 'Wild Child' vid; this is a good example of orginality and execution:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LW60yRJ9YUQ

^^^^

What exactly were you expecting when you heard "Subaru" and "marketing" in the same phrase? I remember Paul Hogan's commercials more than any other Subaru commercial in the last 10 years. You were expecting something memorable this year?

As for Audi and the rally flashbacks, I'd like to know anyone with a brand knew Audi would recognize their old WRC cars. Or even cares. Watch how long those rally commercial last for Audi.

The MS3 commercial I've never seen before. All I could think about while watching it was the old 300ZX commercial where GI Joe gets Barbie.

The Legend died in 2000. Take a look at the performance of a Ford or GM car in the mid 90's, compare that with the performance of the WRX back then. Thats why it was a legend.
So you are comparing Subaru models that weren't available here in the U.S. with domestic cars that were? :huh:

no it wont.

Yes it will actually.

Even the 22-B is no match for a stock USDM STI.

The new cars are no joke.

Again, I prefer the GC chassis but give credit where it is du.

Not according to those who have reviewed both. With the advances in the DCCD and transmission, the newer cars are pretty tough to beat despite the porkiness.

Like myself and Jamie........

Been there, done that, both of us have the same opinion and both prefer the feel of the older chassis.

Xeno,


A current model STi will stomp a mudhole in a 93-00 STi, plain and simple. I prefer the GC/GF chassis over the GD/GG, but I do give respect where respect is due.

It won't stomp a mudhole in MY GC. :)
New technology + better platform = pwnt.

The new one is a lot safer and roomier though.
Honestly, if it weren't for the GC, I'd be over at legacyGT.com by now. The legacy keeps getting better, as one of my coworkers put it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/wraithakamrak/impreza_legend_return01.jpg

:eek: how come nobody else is talking about this?!
a mysterious life form! :eek:
KEWL!
not really! what are those things?

It won't stomp a mudhole in MY GC. :)
New technology + better platform = pwnt.

The new one is a lot safer and roomier though.
Honestly, if it weren't for the GC, I'd be over at legacyGT.com by now. The legacy keeps getting better, as one of my coworkers put it.

Modded car vs stock.

Where's the fun in that?

I'm fixated on those creatures! :eek:

Modded car vs stock.

Where's the fun in that?

stock 04 sti drivetrain in the old chassis.

not much modded about that.

have you seen the BMW or Hammer and Coop films?

Superstar was the best one IMHO :D

Still have it saved to my hard drive.

stock 04 sti drivetrain in the old chassis.

not much modded about that.

And how is that not modded again?

Not impressed.. the Legend died in 2000.

The Legend was when the Impreza was light, sporty, agile and had as much if not more power than most other things it came across on the road.

Now we have an over weight, *yawn* power level'd ugly car. It just doesnt capture the excitement that won it car of the decade in 1990-2000.

Too mane other cars have more power, are lighter and look better. Back in the mid 90's when the Legend was born, a WRX was a force to be reconed with, now its just another car.

Subaru if you want to recapture the Legend. You need it less than 2900 lbs, it needs more than 300 HP, it needs an agressive face lift, it needs 2 doors and it needs to be under 30K.

THEN you will be in a unique place that no other is in, then you can claim the legend is back.


Thats your opinion. And you are entitled to it. But you are a minority.

Thats your opinion. And you are entitled to it. But you are a minority.

i wouldnt quite say hes a minority... face it, most people didnt buy the WRX because it looked nice:rolleyes: They bought it because at the price range, you couldnt find something with the same performance and utility. The problem is now, there are many cars in that same category; most with lower prices, better MPG, and way better options and features... not to mention, they look better too:D Subaru should have taken advantage of this to at least meet what everyone else is providing if not exceed it but instead they changed how it looked, tweaked a few things but the end result is nothing earth shattering or awe inspiring. Sure we havent seen an official review on the new WRX, but i dont expect it to blow us out of the water like when the WRX first came to America.

^^^^Amen to that,and the first review I read,the guy was yawning during the first drive!!

^^^^

What exactly were you expecting when you heard "Subaru" and "marketing" in the same phrase? I remember Paul Hogan's commercials more than any other Subaru commercial in the last 10 years. You were expecting something memorable this year?

:lol:

Exactly. A continuation of lameness.

As for Audi and the rally flashbacks, I'd like to know anyone with a brand knew Audi would recognize their old WRC cars. Or even cares. Watch how long those rally commercial last for Audi.

You're right - they don't care. Audi has more to offer than "OMG we have AWD and we race in the dirt!" To Audi, their rally heritage is just one more aspect of their multi-faceted appeal to various consumer groups.

^^^^Amen to that,and the first review I read,the guy was yawning during the first drive!!


What review have you read? I have only seen reviews of the Japanese S-GT.

What review have you read? I have only seen reviews of the Japanese S-GT.

All of the reviews and videos posted so far have been positive :confused:

Well, some have questioned the tame look, but they like the drive.

There have only been reviews of the Japanese S-GT.

Car and Driver did an article, as well as edmunds.com/insideline. They both were reviewing the S-GT.

Only edmunds stated and restated that this was the Japanese version, and only somewhat indicative of the WRX. Car and Driver glossed over that little fact and acted like they had driven the new WRX. :furious:

They acted like the only difference was the engine:rolleyes: Maybe it is, but trying to pass off a review of a Japanese spec car as a first review of an American model is really low, especially for a big magazine like C&D.

That said, most of these reviews have been good. They are saying that it is more competent overall, but less exciting to drive. But much of that comes from the engine's power delivery.

All I know is that I can't wait for a real review of the American Market WRX. Which will apparently be in August.

There have only been reviews of the Japanese S-GT.

Car and Driver did an article, as well as edmunds.com/insideline. They both were reviewing the S-GT.

Only edmunds stated and restated that this was the Japanese version, and only somewhat indicative of the WRX. Car and Driver glossed over that little fact and acted like they had driven the new WRX. :furious:

They acted like the only difference was the engine:rolleyes: Maybe it is, but trying to pass off a review of a Japanese spec car as a first review of an American model is really low, especially for a big magazine like C&D.

That said, most of these reviews have been good. They are saying that it is more competent overall, but less exciting to drive. But much of that comes from the engine's power delivery.

All I know is that I can't wait for a real review of the American Market WRX. Which will apparently be in August.

Who said newbies cant contribute ;) :lol:

I'm a C&D subscriber and the rag has gone to crap the last couple of years. The S-GT review was nothing more than a rehash of press release and widely available other reviews of the S-GT with a "we're the first to drive the WRX" slant to it.

regarding the "yawn factor", I could say the same for the 06-07 -vs- the 02-05 WRX... the EJ20 had so much lag that when the boost did kick in it was quite the rush, the EJ255 with its broad powerband is so much smoother in its power delivery that it doesnt "feel" as quick. If the powerband is fatter on the new car then the "yawn" factor may go up but so will the speed :D

I think all turbo'd cars are going in that direction. Part of the reason is because they get such universal praise for their usability and torque spread. Comparing VW's new 2.0T to even the outgoing WRX, you just get this feeling of better response across the rev range, instant torque in any gear. (and yes I have driven a few, just because the car magazines are right doesn't mean someone talking like them hasn't actually driven the car)

In a market where even the lowly camry is ripping around with over 250 HP, you can't afford to have a laggy turbo engine with "only" 224 HP. It seems the only acceptable kind of laggy turbo these days is in high performance engines (over 300) although BMW seems to have even discredited that concept with their new TT inline 6.

I am sure some reviews are going to bash it for being smoother, but that is what is expected in the market these days. The fact is that these engines aren't as exciting, but they are a hell of a lot faster and usable.

All that said... and to keep on topic so people don't get upset... I agree that the least they could have done is shown a real car going through the turn.


Has anyone been able to watch episode 2 yet? It is up, supposedly, but won't download for me.

Xeno,


A current model STi will stomp a mudhole in a 93-00 STi, plain and simple. I prefer the GC/GF chassis over the GD/GG, but I do give respect where respect is due.

I beg to differ depending on what you mean. Straight line, I've raced friends in a new STi and a VF39'd, flashed WRX and my stock STi ver 2 RA (well, drop in air filter and axle back) won both times. The new ones might pull over 100 but what is the fun in that?

For track duty, I agree since we have come a long way in the brakes/ tires dept but "everyday" handling is close to a wash as well.

That is 1995-2006. Big time span for such a little performance gain.

The new car is a MUCH better overall daily commuter though, no argument there.

-Mike.

For track duty, I agree since we have come a long way in the brakes/ tires dept but "everyday" handling is close to a wash as well.

That is 1995-2006. Big time span for such a little performance gain.

The new car is a MUCH better overall daily commuter though, no argument there.

-Mike.

What do you expect from a 4 cylinder sedan for a reasonable price tag? I would think any improvement to the performance of an early model STI would be excellent.

Apparently the next one is back down from the site. It was probably just a mistake that I could see it. It will be called Episode 2: The Meeting.:eek:

Knowing Japanese cinema (especially anime themes) it will probably go something like this: Boy meets car. Boy likes car.;) Is torn between car and woman. Gender ambiguous villian arrives. :alien: Car has animated flames shoot out of its grille while techno plays, fending off villian who will return next week. Everyone is happy. Villian still ambiguous.


You can still get the BMW films on DVD off of ebay. Still the pride of my car racing collection, sitting between Ronin and the Seven Ups.

Xeno,


A current model STi will stomp a mudhole in a 93-00 STi, plain and simple. I prefer the GC/GF chassis over the GD/GG, but I do give respect where respect is due.

even if it did thats not my point.

my point is subaru WRX was a legend back then because it was by far the best bang for the buck you could buy. You guys didnt even have them here but in australia, the WRX was wiping the floor with most other cars double and even triple its cost on the road. It was legendary, it was bold, it was unique, it was different.

the 08 WRX is just another mid 20K hatch in a sea of mid 20K cars and isnt a rise above. Its not a bad car, its just not legendary. Legendary would be a mid 20K car with the performance of a 80K car. When you look to appeal to the mass market, you lose any hope of becoming legendary in the performance realm. Who knows, maybe they are looking to become legendary by other yard sticks but I doubt it. New WRX is pretty yawn worthy for the car enthusiest these days.

06/07 WRX TR was a tiny step in the right direction, with minimal mods its pretty quick. Still weighs about 400-500 lbs too much.

How is everyone basing all of this off of just seeing the car, and not even when it is being driven hard?

The specs can't tell the whole story. The new WRX may end up being a massive disgrace and drive like a donkey cart, but until I hear that it does (and more importantly drive one) I am going to hold back my judgment.

It will all come down to how they price it. If the price drops, it is a bargain again, if it stays the same or goes up it will be a waste (judging solely from the specs that are available right now).

Would you be ok with it having the same performance if it cost $23,000 to get into one?

CGI rubbish...how about driving the thing in a real setting?

even if it did thats not my point.

my point is subaru WRX was a legend back then because it was by far the best bang for the buck you could buy. You guys didnt even have them here but in australia, the WRX was wiping the floor with most other cars double and even triple its cost on the road. It was legendary, it was bold, it was unique, it was different.

the 08 WRX is just another mid 20K hatch in a sea of mid 20K cars and isnt a rise above. Its not a bad car, its just not legendary. Legendary would be a mid 20K car with the performance of a 80K car. When you look to appeal to the mass market, you lose any hope of becoming legendary in the performance realm. Who knows, maybe they are looking to become legendary by other yard sticks but I doubt it. New WRX is pretty yawn worthy for the car enthusiest these days.

06/07 WRX TR was a tiny step in the right direction, with minimal mods its pretty quick. Still weighs about 400-500 lbs too much.

The STI didn't get worse, the competition got better. More importantly, that's not a bad thing. Would you rather have 1 great car to choose from, or 20?

And as far as this country is concerned, most people don't even know what the old STIs were like. The cars we knew were the Z, Supra, RX-7, and VR-4s that were storming the streets. As far as we're concenred cars like the Evo and STI were things only found in the magazines. Most of America doesn't have such a huge attachment to the old STIs. Now that both the Evo and STI have finally came to our shores they've been making huge noise, hardly a dead legend.

The STI didn't get worse, the competition got better. More importantly, that's not a bad thing. Would you rather have 1 great car to choose from, or 20?

Thats pretty much my point. subaru stood still, other manufacturers didn't. They lost the legend status and the new WRX isnt going to reclaim that. Sure they can claim it all they want for marketing purposes which is what this is.

As for those claiming wait till you drive it.. the specs are already floating around and they speak for themselves.. its not a giant leap ahead in any direction. The WRX doesnt suddenly come with a 6 speed (unlike alot of its competition) or anything else to elevate it.

You'd think though that the STi would be the car they retake the legend with. Its a great car, love driving mine, but its just not there. A legendary STi would be a light, 2 door hatch that has 320+ HP and 350 ft lb .

THAt would turn heads, that would have people going "HOLY CRAP!!", that would rebirth the legend of the cheap road dominating car. We all know the Sti stomps anything else in its price range (now that the Cobra is more expensive anyhow), it just doesnt shape up (in stock form) against the next level up. Thats what got the WRX its legendary status.. you could spend half what the other guy did pretty much and stomp his ass. With alot of GM cars coming with upwards of 400 HP, and not weighing in at much more than the STi, its tough to keep up stock let alone dominate them and earn the legend status.

Underwhelmed with the 08+ models, I hope they really do sell well with the main stream because they gambling that the enthusiest market wont decide to swap to something else, we have alot of choices now.

Not impressed.. the Legend died in 2000.

The Legend was when the Impreza was light, sporty, agile and had as much if not more power than most other things it came across on the road.

Now we have an over weight, *yawn* power level'd ugly car. It just doesnt capture the excitement that won it car of the decade in 1990-2000.

Too mane other cars have more power, are lighter and look better. Back in the mid 90's when the Legend was born, a WRX was a force to be reconed with, now its just another car.

Subaru if you want to recapture the Legend. You need it less than 2900 lbs, it needs more than 300 HP, it needs an agressive face lift, it needs 2 doors and it needs to be under 30K.

THEN you will be in a unique place that no other is in, then you can claim the legend is back.

i couldnt agree..less with you. first off, the legend was born as a 4-four, not a two door. i think the power levels are fine. when i was selling one of the cars i talked to the guy about sti's(forgot how it started) and he said, yeah those cars are scary fast. point of the story is, maybe you are just spoiled by the power. about the weight thing, the wrc rally car for Subaru is 2900lbs. the minimum weight allowed. dont go dreaming the impossible, this isnt the 90's.

i couldnt agree..less with you. first off, the legend was born as a 4-four, not a two door. i think the power levels are fine. when i was selling one of the cars i talked to the guy about sti's(forgot how it started) and he said, yeah those cars are scary fast. point of the story is, maybe you are just spoiled by the power. about the weight thing, the wrc rally car for Subaru is 2900lbs. the minimum weight allowed. dont go dreaming the impossible, this isnt the 90's.

WRC car weights have nothing to do with the weight of the street cars. They always strip them to below min weight and then add weight to ballance them and get them to min spec anyhow.

spoiled by what power ? an STi isnt a scary fast car anymore, it was a fast car when the WRX and STi became legends, but these days, mid to low 13's off the factory floor is the buy in to be considered "quick", not even fast. Fast is cars that trap some where near 110+ from the factory, not 104. 10 years ago trapping around 104 from the factory was really fast, now its the bare minimum. Time moves on and the bar raises, Subaru needs to rise to meet that bar, not turn out the same 13 second car it turned out a decade ago. I am sure someone will tell me they are faster around a race track now.. and i would think so.. but thats not where "legendary" comes from.. Legendary comes from the street.

My case in point is look at the difference between the 1996 Vette and the 2007 Vette, Look at the difference between the 1996 Cobra and the 2004 Cobra.

Then look at the diff performance/hp wise between a 1998 STi Type R (just incase you forgot the STi did come as a coupe) and a 2007 STi in terms of power/performance. Even with switching to a 2.5L the bar wasnt raised, its still a mid 13 second car as it was a decade ago. The Vette and Cobra are not, same as the Falcon and Commodore that the STi's I'm used to seeing were going against arent the same cars either. Yet Subaru see's fit to present yet another mid 13 second STi and proclaim the rebirth of the legend. I dont think so.

Do something legendary then let the buyers proclaim the return, like it was in the 90's.

WRC car weights have nothing to do with the weight of the street cars. They always strip them to below min weight and then add weight to ballance them and get them to min spec anyhow.

spoiled by what power ? an STi isnt a scary fast car anymore, it was a fast car when the WRX and STi became legends, but these days, mid to low 13's off the factory floor is the buy in to be considered "quick", not even fast. Fast is cars that trap some where near 110+ from the factory, not 104. 10 years ago trapping around 104 from the factory was really fast, now its the bare minimum. Time moves on and the bar raises, Subaru needs to rise to meet that bar, not turn out the same 13 second car it turned out a decade ago. I am sure someone will tell me they are faster around a race track now.. and i would think so.. but thats not where "legendary" comes from.. Legendary comes from the street.

My case in point is look at the difference between the 1996 Vette and the 2007 Vette, Look at the difference between the 1996 Cobra and the 2004 Cobra.

Then look at the diff performance/hp wise between a 1998 STi Type R (just incase you forgot the STi did come as a coupe) and a 2007 STi in terms of power/performance. Even with switching to a 2.5L the bar wasnt raised, its still a mid 13 second car as it was a decade ago. The Vette and Cobra are not, same as the Falcon and Commodore that the STi's I'm used to seeing were going against arent the same cars either. Yet Subaru see's fit to present yet another mid 13 second STi and proclaim the rebirth of the legend. I dont think so.

Do something legendary then let the buyers proclaim the return, like it was in the 90's.

What does a Vette or Cobra have anything to do with it? Those cars should have been making their current power numbers 10 years ago. It's not Subaru's fault that Chevy and Ford couldn't squeeze power out of their V8s.

Aside from that, what do you expect from a 4 cylinder sedan? I can count the current number of 300hp factory 4 bangers on one hand. Add AWD and 4 doors and the number dwindles. The STI and Evo don't sound as impressive on paper as they used to, I don't care, I don't drive spec sheets. You're making this car out to be bigger than it was. The 300ZX was hitting 13 second quarters in 1989 and the 2007 Z isn't any faster, big deal. Cars like the STI and Z evolve and become more refined, that doesn't necessarily mean they need 400hp to compete with GM's throw back cars. The STI still holds it's own regardless of how you feel about it. That's why there is a 2007 STI and no GTO or Camaro.

If you want to wrap yourself up in numbers and nastalgia go right ahead. After all, an 2007 STI is still sitting in your driveway.

If she does, can I get her phone number?

Or does she just have a wierd foot fetish?

That video was straight booty. Booty like, butt.

That means bad. Bad like, not good.
:mad: ;)

Thats pretty much my point. subaru stood still, other manufacturers didn't. They lost the legend status and the new WRX isnt going to reclaim that. Sure they can claim it all they want for marketing purposes which is what this is.

As for those claiming wait till you drive it.. the specs are already floating around and they speak for themselves.. its not a giant leap ahead in any direction. The WRX doesnt suddenly come with a 6 speed (unlike alot of its competition) or anything else to elevate it.

You'd think though that the STi would be the car they retake the legend with. Its a great car, love driving mine, but its just not there. A legendary STi would be a light, 2 door hatch that has 320+ HP and 350 ft lb .

THAt would turn heads, that would have people going "HOLY CRAP!!", that would rebirth the legend of the cheap road dominating car. We all know the Sti stomps anything else in its price range (now that the Cobra is more expensive anyhow), it just doesnt shape up (in stock form) against the next level up. Thats what got the WRX its legendary status.. you could spend half what the other guy did pretty much and stomp his ass. With alot of GM cars coming with upwards of 400 HP, and not weighing in at much more than the STi, its tough to keep up stock let alone dominate them and earn the legend status.

Underwhelmed with the 08+ models, I hope they really do sell well with the main stream because they gambling that the enthusiest market wont decide to swap to something else, we have alot of choices now.

True, there are a lot of choices in the mid-20k range now. And yes, most have 6 speed trannys standard. But the reason,for me anyway, as to why i'll stick with the suby is the AWD. Everything else offered in the same price range only offers FWD. And I really don't want to go back to that. If another car came along that was either AWD or RWD I would give it a look, but currently the cars that offer AWD as an option are more money then I want to spend.

I think what most people complain about (me too, I know) is the fact that the dorks like us that KNEW about the WRX wayyy back then think we waited too long to get it.

Then what we got was not what we expected... great cars nonetheless, but not the same. that's all.

It's like watching "I'm Not That Innocent" and writing Britney a letter, then having her call you back last year, bald and pregnant. <-OK, uncalled for I know.

-Mike.

The second episode is up on subaru.com

I would hardly call these episodes. They are only 20 seconds long. Way too short. Atleast the CG car looked good :rolleyes:

agreed. These are very dumb.

They definitely don't compare to the BMW films. I can't figure them out really. They are too short even for a good TV spot.

All I want in a Subaru commercial is the car going sideways on a dirt trail. Just show me some real driving. Enough of this CGI bull!

Here, here!

i don't get it...
the driver was eating raman at a road side shop,
left his car running wild around the city...

i thought maybe his car came and met him, kinda like kit or silver, they both came to get night rider and lone ranger... :lol:

Kinda OT, but BMW produced some new films based on the 1-series for Japan. They are all produced in english, check them out here:

http://1series.bmw.jp/

They are pretty well made.

Kinda OT, but BMW produced some new films based on the 1-series for Japan. They are all produced in english, check them out here:

http://1series.bmw.jp/

They are pretty well made.

You're right. Pretty cool. I always liked the BMW movies. I wish more car companies would do cool things like this.

Kinda OT, but BMW produced some new films based on the 1-series for Japan. They are all produced in english, check them out here:

http://1series.bmw.jp/

They are pretty well made.

The story was lame but the visuals were top notch. Still infinitely better than the Impreza clips.

A current model STi will stomp a mudhole in a 93-00 STi, plain and simple

No it won't, as the old gc8 style STI's also had DCCD,lightweigh control arms and all, the only thing a later model STI has, is a 6th gear.(but also about 200kg more, minimal)

So the GC8 had an automatic DCCD? I'm not so sure. The 6th gear wasn't the "only" addition.

Taken from Wikipedia.org:

In 2001, the Impreza line received a complete update. The chassis was stiffened so that it had 120% torsional stiffness increase. The WRX STi gained 17" x 7.5" alloy wheels over the previous 16" x 7" wheels. The 5 speed transmission (reputed to be one of the car's weakpoints) was changed to an STi engineered 6 speed manual transmission. The engine was retained from the Version 6 STi and still retains the semi-closed deck block and is still labeled as the EJ207. However, the turbochargers are IHI models. The interior was updated with a STi logo on the gauge. The STi's gauge also has a red shift light. The STi's and optioned Type RA STi have received Brembo 4 pot front and 2 pot rear brakes while the bare-bones Type RA STi still carried the Subaru 4 pot front and 2 pot rear brakes. Externally, the STis had larger hoodscoops and had foglight covers with STi embossed on them. The DCCD was updated so it can work with anti-lock brakes. During braking, when the ABS is on, the DCCD will set itself to open-mode (no locking).

The version nomenclature was dropped from the name. Japanese and other auto-enthusiasts often refer to the chassis as GDB/GDF (the STi has a 'B' or 'F'(for USDM models) where as the regular WRX had an 'A'). The forth charter of the VIN gives the revision (A to F where G is the current (2007) version).

[QUOTEThe DCCD was updated so it can work with anti-lock brakes. During braking, when the ABS is on, the DCCD will set itself to open-mode (no locking).[/QUOTE]

So it was there before.
I know that the DCCD was there for a fact because 5 or so people from Holland are now driving JDM STI v3-v6's,all off which have DCCD.

complete series out...

Ya I think the 3rd one is pretty good.

Nice gold wheels!

complete series out...

god those were dumb. way too short. and I don't need to see cgi of a car. give me real video of a car. what a waste.

Here it is at Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxU1USqnjts)

My favorite carmercialseries would be Hammer and Coop. The other BMW films were great as well but they werent funny.

I found the Madonna film pretty amusing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tDg1YKp8M0

Thnanks,,,,