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View Full Version : An Impreza for LIFE - help research cure for cancer
Just found this... please join... since the majority of us are techies anyway... we should join. I really think we can put the WWW Impreza team through the top of the list... and give back something to the world... things like this are simple ways to make a difference with just a few lost computer cycles you weren't using anyway.
-Nick
P.S. Please reply to this thread when you join up so we can keep it going! And when setting up your username please include (iClub) in front of your name so we can keep track of who joined from here.
(text copied from Steve's post on Scoobynet)
You may have seen on local news reports of a cancer research program which gives computer owners the opportunity to use their personal computing resources to perform scientific research, such as searching for improved treatments and potential cures for cancer and other diseases, by downloading a computer program to their PCs from the Internet. The program has been developed specifically to search for new drugs to treat leukemia. As the program runs, it uses your computer to begin processing a small packet of data. Once processing is complete (about a day later), the program sends the results back to a server and requests a new packet of data. If you aren't online when the processing is done, your computer will wait to send and receive data packets until the next time you're connected to the Internet.
The research program operates in the background, so you shouldn't notice it's running during computer use. It's designed to run only when computing resources are unused. As soon as you run an application that needs computing power, the research program will back down, and your computing performance will not be noticeably impacted. You do not need to leave your PC running either. Just use your PC as normal, turning it on and off as you would. Obviously though, if you do leave your PC on, it will process more data.
So how can you join up?
1. Visit the Intel sponsored LIFE page and download the program today. http://www.intel.com/cure
2. Run the program and it will set itself up and you will need to choose a user name and password.
Now the fun bit...
3. Join the growing band of Impreza enthusiasts by joining the IWOC team. It would be great to see the Impreza team get into the top ten and Impreza Owners seen to be doing something about this terrible disease.
You can see how we are getting on and join our team by looking here http://members.ud.com/services/teams/team.htm?id=4B4667E4-95B8-4747-800F-F7E54398A3C2
I am going to change the description of the team to mention members of Scoobynet also.
A BBC press release can be found here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1255000/1255804.stm
Thank you for taking time to read this, and I hope you will consider joining the fight against cancer. It is estimated that 1 in 4 of us will be stricken with the disease at sometime in our lives. Hope to see you signing up. It is for a worthwhile cause.
Regards
Steve
[This message has been edited by Nick (edited April 25, 2001).]
Charge 04-19-2001, 06:21 AM Already joined it...it's running now!
Neil
uniballer 04-19-2001, 08:55 AM I joined too. My computer is on 24/7 so hopefully that will help out. I have a few more computers too, as long as intel doesn't mind their client running on AMD devices, I might just install it there as well. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
tatical 04-19-2001, 09:59 AM I just joined. I'd rather have my computer on looking for a cure for cancer than ailenshttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/cool.gif
Steve Breen 04-19-2001, 10:11 AM Thanks for the support. We have made the bottom of the front page of teams taking part. Now for the long climb!
So far the Impreza team has donated just over ONE YEARS worth of PC processing power to the search for a cure.
Regards
Steve
ps the team description now encompasses the members of the Dutch Subaru Club, i-Club, Scoobynet and IWOC. Next stop Australia....
Damon 04-19-2001, 05:33 PM dang.. this thing is slow on dial up. as the group id thing i put "IWOC". is that what im suppost to put?
I'm there..
Put those unused clock cycles to use.
on a personal note..
my father had and survived prostate cancer when it first showed up.. and a second time when it re-appeared.
so get on here.. it runs in my family.
I may need it when I'm older.
Just to clarify it..
run the thing..
and then go to the link on the first post and click the "Join this team" button and enter your login and password.. and bam.. there you are!
My dad died of cancer, so of course I'm running this thing ::installs::
we made it onto the "first" page.
it's a start.
Damon 04-19-2001, 06:26 PM hmmm.. i gotta question.
when does it log your points? over on my screen under "Member Information" all the figures remain at 0, whereas my figures under "Task Information" climbs. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/confused.gif
Slvrblt 04-19-2001, 06:27 PM It's all good, got the thing running as we speak!
Brian
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SkToBe 04-19-2001, 06:27 PM Signed up and running!
SkToBe 04-19-2001, 06:31 PM It won't post your "points" until you are completed with a packet.
6% at 5 hours... these could take a while on this crappy laptop.
[This message has been edited by SkToBe (edited April 19, 2001).]
Dissenter 04-19-2001, 06:31 PM Just joined up. My computer at home runns 24/7, and I have about 2-3 in my office I can run on the t1 too http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif Always happy to help out a great cause!
Damon 04-19-2001, 06:38 PM oh yea dissenter? haha.. i got a training lab that i work in (30 pcs), so i think imma have to crank em all up http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif points for me and cancer cure sooner and sooner.
think about this guys. a measly little install on our computers, and were actually all pulling together and making a contribution to something very very worthwhile. technology is so amazing.
Heh, my 'Overall Performance' is rated 23 :-x...And that button with the ! on it (application) is cool cause you can see the proteins and whatnot...I think I'll put this on my laptop and bring it to work (with my T1 line http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif, my laptop NEVER shuts down)...Better go see if they have a mac version...Doh, it's still in the works...Well, as soon as they finish their mac version I'll be running that 24 hours a day 7 days a week on my laptop..and that's really no joke http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif Onward for cancer research!
Edit: Typos
[This message has been edited by Fido (edited April 19, 2001).]
everyone post your "total rating" too
I got a 55.
Damon 04-19-2001, 07:03 PM i got a 21. look at their "benchmark" though! its a freakin 1.5! with gobs of RAM. thats a bit unfair of a comparison to the average computer user. ive got a 500mhz w/ 128megs o' RAM. my connection is KILLING me though. stupid rickra-frick-frack-smald-racha-frachin...
Mr Cheese 04-19-2001, 07:27 PM i signed up. Overall performance 26/100, yeah! Still better than not helping.http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif
jag911 04-19-2001, 07:37 PM Finally, some reason to have all 5 computers up all night.. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif
jag
PatMunits 04-19-2001, 07:54 PM I would think twice about running UD, or SETI on a laptop, or on an overclocked box. Many notebooks were not designed with an idea that users will run processor-intensive applications on it.
My uncle - bio-physichist fried his brand-new laptop because he asked it to crunch some scientific data overnight (100% CPU for hours). When he checked his laptop next morning it was a cold turkey.
UD will run at 100% cpu utilization. You better be sure that its heat management can handle BBQ heat.
Desktopts are better suited for such tasks, rack systems are even better.
One more thing, UD does not use 100% of your CPU time to do cancer research. When you sign up you also agree to donate your CPU time to UD which in turn will sell some of it for profit to other companies. Unlike SETI, UD is not a non-profit organization.
Please don't flame me, I am also very concerned about finding a cure for cancer.
I also joined, what the hell eh?
I scored a 59.
(2x1002MHz P3s on an ABIT VP6, 384mb RAM, etc...)
I am disappointed, it's hardly SMP aware and my CPUs aren't being totally taxed...
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dougwendel 04-19-2001, 08:26 PM All joined up! My machine rating is 70 - not too shabby.
StrikerATN 04-19-2001, 08:30 PM Joined up. 219
RS25.com 04-19-2001, 08:37 PM Jpoined. My PC rates a whopping 23! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif
rbehny 04-19-2001, 08:41 PM well i signed up yesterday and today was gonna be the first time i returned a packet but to no avail my computer rebooted. So i'm back at 4% oh well it'll get to 100% one of these years. I'm rated at 29.
sc00by71 04-19-2001, 09:28 PM Just joined . Overall score 75. I expected higher (guess it's biased to intel!)
North Ursalia 04-19-2001, 10:11 PM <FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Signing up now... when the Linux version is out, it can run on my server 24/7 in the background http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif
Brian
AIM: captaindamorgan ICQ: 84483950
http://ravensblade.cjb.net
You and the Captain make it happen!</FONT f>
WRSport 04-19-2001, 11:01 PM Joined, I will convert all our UD clients at work over to our Impreza team.
Necromancer 04-20-2001, 02:55 AM No Mac client. Blah. Guess they aren't interested in a few bazillion gigaflops of PowerPC sitting around...
Necromancer 04-20-2001, 03:05 AM Mac users -- here is a link to the form (http://www.ud.com/contact/support.htm) to send in your vote for a Mac client. Go get 'em!
[This message has been edited by Necromancer (edited April 20, 2001).]
Guys, thanks for all the support... but we can do better. We have almost 6000 people here... and the membership for this list only went up by about 40 people yesterday.
COME ON FOLKS... you may not know someone now who has this horrid disease... but you might someday soon... and when your wishing you could have done something about it... this is something simple you could have!
Keep those downloads/installs going... I wanna really get us on the map for such a great cause.
-Nick
Mike Smith 04-20-2001, 06:55 AM OK - I'm in! My computer rates a 17! Smokin'!!
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fishguy 04-20-2001, 10:24 AM bump
subarurabbit 04-20-2001, 10:46 AM I joined at worked - got a 44 on PIII 650.
As an aside, I work for a Cancer Center in Ma. I'm their IS Coordinator.
There is a Rally Against Leukemia on the schedule - July 14. I'm planning on going. Anyone else?
Roger
[This message has been edited by subarurabbit (edited April 20, 2001).]
I'm in like Flynn http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif
Dozza 04-20-2001, 11:20 AM Joined!!!! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif This is neat cause for something many take for granted - a healthy life.
-GM
uniballer 04-20-2001, 01:32 PM I joined but for some reason my points aren't going towards the team total. I have completed 2 units for 209 points but it hasn't helped the team at all. (and yeah, I did join)
Wintrode 04-20-2001, 02:46 PM I already joined, but I'm on another team, Ars Technica (http://www.arstechnica.com) Team Crab Cake. But hey it's all for the same cause.
My computer rating fluctuates from 50's-75 depending on network performance.
Also as far as benchmarking goes, computing times vary depending on how many molucule variations it comes up with. Generally it seems that the higher the points generated by a work unit the longer it takes to compute.
Another thing, the team points and statistics are only compiled once a day. So any points you generate on a given day will not show up on the team totals until the next day.
[This message has been edited by Wintrode (edited April 20, 2001).]
MadMax 04-20-2001, 04:29 PM I joined, pc at 58, which is wrong. It should be 150, hehe.
MadMax
HoratioCaine 04-20-2001, 05:29 PM If you don't know somebody with cancer, um, you actually do. There is at least one person on this board with it.
I got a 24 for my PC. It really doesn't like my 3C905... it gave it a 13. "boooooo!"
WRSport 04-20-2001, 05:44 PM I'm disapointed at the response so far....I think a front page announcment is in order........Moderators......any possibility?
I installed the client on a Dual 1000mhz 2gig ram Dell server that is sitting idle for the next month or so at work so that should help a little. I have 5 other clients running on different machines, but if they would hurry up and release the unix clients we can get busy!
[This message has been edited by A4Killer (edited April 20, 2001).]
I'm on there with two computers now..
I've noticed that my NT workstation that ranked lower than my 98 machine at home is toasting it as far as speed..
am thinking NT is better at running it by far.
dgosslin 04-20-2001, 06:06 PM I am on it. Downloading now. I will fire up the net here @ the ranch and see what we can do. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
Dan - Flyin 555
Keith 04-20-2001, 06:18 PM I'm inhttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
keith
it shows 0 for my machine though, do I need to reboot or somethinghttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
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WRSport 04-20-2001, 06:24 PM Folks dont worry about the ratings your computer gets, they are way screwy on their classification.
Iron Librarian 04-20-2001, 06:33 PM I Joined both the board and the the team! Thanks for getting me off my lazy lurking butt and finally getting on board the board
doulikjai 04-20-2001, 08:53 PM hey all i joined this judging by my number of posts don't mind me im just a lurker with a scooby fetish heheh and i got 28..damn thats low
I'm running it on both my comps. Both Athlon machines. Overall: one is a 59, the other 48.
If you haven't joined, do so. This is for a great cause. Also, I noticed quite a few that have joined and don't seem to be running it. That doesn't help much folks.
neuromancer 04-20-2001, 10:30 PM woot, I got a 77 on my rating. Not too bad, considering my AMD Ghz will toast a P4. hehe Can't seem to join the team, though...
North Ursalia 04-20-2001, 10:52 PM <FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Well, my home machine is slow as heck, due in part to dialup. However, just as a thought or an aside, how about people with websites throw up a link to the software download and one to the team? I just added one to my site right under the dropdown menu... Nick? How about throwing one up on the main page in the news section? Just a thought!
Brian
AIM: captaindamorgan ICQ: 84483950
http://ravensblade.cjb.net
You and the Captain make it happen!</FONT f>
Anyone else??? PLEASE... http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
-Nick
Penphoe 04-21-2001, 07:41 AM What info do I need to enter to joint he IWOC team? Their server is busy to "high demand"! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif
LaterZ!
Darren!!
HoratioCaine 04-21-2001, 09:18 AM 23.5 hours later and still only at 98%... argh.
Maybe I should throw NT on this box for a while. I don't play games much (other than solitare)
Mike C 04-21-2001, 09:51 AM Sounds like a worthy cause,
I'm dowloading right after I post.
Can't let this ethernet college connection go to waste.
-Mike-
Mike C 04-21-2001, 09:56 AM Sounds like a worthy cause,
I'm dowloading right after I post.
Can't let this ethernet college connection go to waste.
-Mike-
How many hits have you guys gotten so far? Mine lists 4 hits, all happened overnight...It says somewhere that it ranks those hits by a few different factors, like strength and stuff, but I can't find where...I wanna know about em http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif I finally got to return my first packet yesterday, woo! I should return another one by tonight...
Peter Hadfield 04-21-2001, 10:30 AM I'm on it! I got a 94 rating.
WRSport 04-21-2001, 11:13 AM Our dell server rates a 158 http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
Revrend 04-21-2001, 11:34 AM Im on!
WRSport 04-21-2001, 09:45 PM Bump
WRSport 04-22-2001, 10:23 AM Bump. Come on guys. 6000 people are memebrs of this board. This is sad. Out of 6000 people, 1500 of us will have to deal with cancer in our lifetime. Wakeup guys. This is a no-brainer!
popnGEAR 04-22-2001, 10:40 AM 2423 here
popnGEAR 04-22-2001, 11:39 AM member number, i rated a 59 only
WRSport 04-22-2001, 04:16 PM FTWC http://www.iwoc.co.uk/cure.html
Buffalo Bob 04-22-2001, 06:16 PM I've got it installed and running (191 device rating on a Pentium Pro 200 mHz? Something must be wrong with the ratings!). After 6 hours, I'm at 24% of the first task. How exactly will this program know to give credit to the i-club? I don't remember anywhere in the setup that asked.
Charge 04-22-2001, 06:43 PM Buffalo Bob, follow the second link at Nick's first post. You have to join the team to make your points count towards the team collective.
Man, my dual PIII 500's are showing their age. A whopping 43 total. Also reads me as only having 1GB open? Oh well, who cares, it's cranking, but it doesn't seem to utilize my 2nd processor ever.
Neil
SkToBe 04-22-2001, 06:47 PM The software is not optimized to use multi-processors...
WREcks 04-22-2001, 06:53 PM Just joined myself, and ack my stats are worse than I thought they would be http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif
Overall : 47 (High-end desktop system)
maybe they should bump me to midrange desktop system hehe and my netaccess rating eeep! I don't even want to tell you hehe but every little bit does count though and I'm more than happy to help out for a great cause.
WREcks
a hearty thumbs up to Capt Steven and everyone for joining this program.
remarcable 04-22-2001, 07:12 PM Yeah this isn't the best program....
No Linux version. No Mac version. No multiple CPU support even in windows....
Wish they had a Mac version. My G3 kills all my 'faster' PCs in Seti@home. Usually by at least 12 hours or so.
EDIT: Oh yeah, I signed up too.
[This message has been edited by remarcable (edited April 22, 2001).]
Marc Sawaya 04-22-2001, 07:17 PM Just signed up, go scoobies!
edit: 32 rating on a P3 550! Yikes! Maybe I need to reboot.
[This message has been edited by Marc Sawaya (edited April 22, 2001).]
HoratioCaine 04-22-2001, 08:06 PM I left my machine on ths weekend while I was out of town. It finished the first packet and it's 44% done with the second. Interestingly enough, my PC rating jumped from 24 up to a whopping 68. Odd.
byl-23 04-22-2001, 08:19 PM Just signed up
Got a 29 rating.
-Bill
NYEJ25 04-22-2001, 08:21 PM I'm running it now to. My Grandmother, and father both died of cancer, so I am more than happy to help out. Plus I smoke, so I might need it down the road.
Drew
Lexicon 04-22-2001, 08:42 PM Just signed up, so where do I go to see the ratings of my computer and such.. I'm glad to help out such a worthy cause..
WREcks 04-23-2001, 05:06 AM Lexicon : after you installed the program, you should see a little 'pill' icon in your system tray. In case it minimized, double click on it. You should see the main screen for the program here. The icons on the bottom are clickable, so make sure you click on the little house button. This screen will give you your overall rating, processor...etc. Just make sure your browser is minimized or closed because the screen will not show over a browser. Hope this helps.
WREcks
sasim 04-23-2001, 05:29 AM Looks like I'm winning the ratings challenge so far a whopping 4625 (yes four thousand six hundred), I guess the program likes our company network.
SS
sasim 04-23-2001, 05:42 AM Me Again,
Just to clarify something for those people who have not signed up yet.
The UD software only requires a connection the UD servers to upload the computed results (when it reaches 99%) and to download a new task, so an internet connection only needs to be established for about a minute, about once a day (depending on the PC speed). If you have a dial up connection it will prompt you that it wants to connect (if dial automatically is disabled). So all you need to do is leave your computer switched on, which is considered to be good for it anyway.
Go on people sign up NOW!!
SS
Keep it up guys... this really is a great cause... we need to still get more members though... I think we are only responsible for a small portion of the people on that group so far... only about 50 or so people. Most are from the ScoobyNet boards. 50 out of 6000 is pretty sad guys... http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/frown.gif
So we really need some more participation. It's easy, simple, requires very little work on your part... and best of all it could save your life one day!
-Nick
UPDATE:
So we can get a better idea how many people are from the iClub on the list please put (iClub) in front of your name as follows:
(iClub) Nick
(iClub) A4Killer
You change the name in the 'My Member Profile' section of the UD website.
This way we can identify who's from what website on the list.
-Nick
[This message has been edited by Nick (edited April 23, 2001).]
ImprezedRS 04-23-2001, 07:22 AM Just signed up and the program is running, i think?http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/confused.gifhttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/confused.gif
Spazz41 04-23-2001, 07:29 AM I am officially signed up, though for the last while it has just been sending info to server, but well see.
[Edit] It is running now. I got a 197 rating.
[This message has been edited by Spazz41 (edited April 23, 2001).]
makua11b 04-23-2001, 08:46 AM I just joined. More, more.
HoratioCaine 04-23-2001, 01:26 PM Well I finished my second packet and I'm working on my third.
PC is now rated 185. Started at 24. Interesting.
NIC is now rated 554. Started at 13. Very interesting.
Later!
Oh... 1405 pts total so far.
and... I'll change the name.
There was a problem with the UD server apparently... it's fine now though.
-Nick
Before I had a 23 rating...Now that I installed my cable modem I have a...198 rating (98 better than their comparison)...My network rating is...589 lmao http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
WRSport 04-23-2001, 03:23 PM We are currently about the 50th largest team. A few more members and we are bigger than Microsoft team.
makua11b 04-23-2001, 04:36 PM bbbb
Atlas' Kids 04-23-2001, 07:09 PM I've had three of my Aunts die from cancer, my Grandmother now has breast cancer, my next door neighbor had a long battle when I was younger so I'm glad that I could help in some way.
gocatz 04-23-2001, 07:15 PM Done.
What a cool way to help out a good cause.
Atlas' Kids 04-24-2001, 12:07 AM downloaded and installed but it says Unable to connect to UD server. Please try again. I'm at home with cable service so I know that I dont need a proxy setting...Help to help!
I got it goin a couple of minutes later... But this was at 5:00 EST and I'm only 50% done. It would be awesome if one of us found the cure with our computers.
[This message has been edited by Atlas' Kids (edited April 23, 2001).]
HoratioCaine 04-24-2001, 12:08 AM ttt
Well today I pulled out the motherboard, processor, ram... put in a new momboard, AMD 1.2Ghz, 256mb DDR, and added a TDK 16/10/40x CD-R. You would think that going from a PII-400 to an Athlon 1.2Ghz, 128mb PC100 to 256mb DDR, along with the 266mHz FSB would have made a big difference in the PC rating...
Overall dropped from 168 to 54. hmm. RAM jumped from 33 to 67, NIC dropped from 554 to 9. Whatever. It doesn't really seem to have any bearing on reality.
Thanks again for everyone who has signed up... but we still need more people... please!!!
And the rating thing... I take it with a grain of salt... somedays it's feeling happy... otherdays it just plain hates the computer... oh... as long as it keeps churning out the packets.
-Nick
dvancleve 04-24-2001, 01:52 PM I started it at work, then at home about a week ago. I joined this club yesterday. I just updated my name to include (iClub). I have 18 results total, 1 for the club and 6,699 points. I can't seem to find myself on the club list though...
Doug
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Lexicon 04-24-2001, 02:59 PM I have a few Q's.. in my profile, it says I returned 1, generated 207 points but on the team list, it says I have returned 0 and 0 points.. Also, I changed my name but it doesn't show up either.. is it just a lagg from the server to update or did I do something wrong..
63Alpine 04-24-2001, 03:25 PM I just signed up. I am a little surprised at my performance rating though. I got a 52 when I am running an Athlon 1.1 with 192 MB of RAM. Is there any sort of aftermarket turbo that I can install? What about a TEC-II or something?
Kurt
WRSport 04-24-2001, 04:54 PM lexicon, server updates only once a day at GMT.
data_ho 04-25-2001, 12:14 AM Just installed at home on 1.1ghz athlon/512mb system. Will install at work on 800mhz athlon/256mb system. 'course i'm 'data_ho'.
Funny how my ethernet card is rated at '55' while the intel is at '100'.. sorry, 3com etherlink XL 3c905b-tx is equiv to an intel at least http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif Oh well, intel is sponsoring. They are smart for doing this kinda thing, it DOES get ppl to buy processors and realize there's always a use for more horsepower http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
(edit) forgot to mention - my system is an '80' tho I'm sure that number is also are biased towards said company.
-N
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HoratioCaine 04-25-2001, 02:09 AM The rating doesn't mean anything.
My 3c905b-tx is now a 518 and overall 204.
But I just wanted to bump this back TTT and to say
<FONT size="9">We're ahead of the Microsoft team!!!!!!!</FONT s>
woot woot woot...By the by, yesterday was Fight Cancer Day. I didn't get around to posting it, though...Sorry http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
Big Thanks again to all those who have signed up. We're getting there... but we still need more support. I want at least 10% of the existing membership... so that's at least 600 people. We only really contributed about 70-80 people so far to the group... just a little more than 1%... there have to be more people who care about helping with this.
Did I also mention you can win money & prizes and help a really good cause by doing this?
I think some people are having trouble joining the team. You have to do it by clicking a button, just adding (iClub) in front of your name does not add you.
Use the following link to see the team stats, and if you haven't already join the team. (you might need to login to the system if you can't see the 'join this team' button)
http://members.ud.com/services/teams/team.htm?id=4B4667E4-95B8-4747-800F-F7E54398A3C2
-Nick
WRSport 04-25-2001, 10:16 AM Bump.....
remarcable 04-25-2001, 10:30 AM I'm telling you, if they would just get a mac version out I'd be delivering a heckuva lot more results.
I have it running on my 3 PCs but that doesn't say much.
Intel makes crappy processors.
data_ho 04-25-2001, 10:48 AM The reason a mac version is coming so slowly is because intel is sponsoring it, not motorola hehe http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
But intel doesn't make crappy processors - remember motorola had some issues with their productiond and couldn't reach 500+ mhz with G3's/G4's. They're just now getting around to it - as AMD/Intel are moving along at 1500mhz+... I'm sure this program is optimized for SSE2 streaming extensions, which is similar to the AltiVec system (faster in some circumstances, slower in others), so this program probably screams on a P4 (tho i'm not a P4 fan).
Installed it on 800mhz athlon, and (2) 450mhz P3's. Will install on 700mhz P3 tonight.
-N
signed up and part of the Subie team
WRSport 04-25-2001, 06:13 PM bump
WRSport 04-26-2001, 12:07 AM Thank you to all who have joined so far. Please help recruit fellow i-clubbers if you can.
Cheers,
http://www.nasioc.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif damm (iClub)Nick, how many pc's you running this on at work? When do we get a "# of work unit" betting pool going http://www.nasioc.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif
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ATX25RS 04-26-2001, 01:31 AM Just registered, forgot to put the (I-Club) thing but good ol ATx25Rs is on there.
I joined it
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Eric Gagnon 04-26-2001, 05:13 AM i have had this thing going for several days.. but my computer only scores a 46 so i can only help so much.. but it is going.. and going... but we need more people. lots fo other teams are ahead of us due to greater member numbers.. Come on guys, join up with this good cause.
eric
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HoratioCaine 04-26-2001, 10:38 AM bump.
Come on people... I think Bill Gates got wind that a bunch of car freaks were beating his company. They're making a push to bump us off. We need more members!
On a side note... I wish they'd hurry up with the Mac client. That and I think I might go out and get an ATX case. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif Put that PII400 back to use.
Thanks guys... keep it up...
We can do it... We can do it all night long! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif
-Nick
WRSport 04-26-2001, 02:52 PM MS is catchin up in memebers....BUMP.
SubieGal, I hope you join the right team http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
Reiflex 04-26-2001, 04:07 PM AND you KNOW I'm in this one
My mom lost the cancer fight about 5 years ago at 43 yrs old, but survived about 1 years longer that doctors expected. It hit my family pretty hard. Left behind was a Husband & 7 kids. 3 of them were 6 thru 12 when she passed, and the rest of us were 18+ and had to concentrate on the younger ones.
"..cigarettes don't cause cancer & are not addictive.." Yeah, right Mr. Big Tobacco, tell that to my late mother's 3 new grandkids that will never know what it's like to be hugged and spoiled the special way that only a this grandmother could have.
Cancer has or will touch almost all of our live in one form or another. If you don't already know, 100% of all men will get prostate cancer if they lives long enough.
Let your unused PC cycles help find a cure. If not for someone else, then for yourself. It can happen to you or your loved one, you never really know...until you know.
We need to do what we can. If you don't jump in on this, at least do something but just don't do nothing.
[I'm starting to sound like a commmercial http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif ]
Come on guys... the IWOC guys are making a push to beat us... we can't let that happen...
-Nick
WRSport 04-27-2001, 05:16 PM YAY! I have 46 units returned in 5 days since i joined. I just wanted to catch up to Nick http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif but now I want to be at the top of list! For other team members please rememeber every data unit counts. If it takes a week for your computer to finish a data unit, dont sweat it. You are still contributing to the project. We still need more members guys, but thanks to all those who joined so far.
Cheers,
(iClub)Chris Brunell
Link to stats (http://members.ud.com/services/teams/team.htm?id=4B4667E4-95B8-4747-800F-F7E54398A3C2)
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HoratioCaine 04-27-2001, 11:56 PM Dang.. how many machines are you running?
I'm getting like 3 or 4 a day now, with the new processor.
TTT!
Next kill, Norway Fight Club. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
Chris, how many computers are you running it on? I was ahead of you like 2 days ago, and now you're pulling further ahead. I'm barely edgeing out Nick. I'm running 2 fast T-birds.
neuromancer 04-28-2001, 06:32 AM awesome, this one doesn't lock up my computer every 24 hours like SETI did.
Does anybody know why it says I have 5 results returned, but in the team listing it only says one?
The team list only updates once a day at 0:00 GMT.
And Chris I'm catching up to you... I just finally got enough cooling on my 1.33 T-bird that I can run it a tad overclocked! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif
I think I turned up 5 packets from just it last night... hehe... http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
I think I pretty much have the same philosophy about my car as I do about my computer...
"If it ain't broke, make it faster!"
And thanks again to all the new people who have joined. Keep it up. I want to be as close to the top of that list as possible.
And of course make sure you put the (iClub) in front of your name so we know which club you belong to. This is also to keep a little friendly competition between us and the other groups on the list.
-Nick
Impreza Rider 04-28-2001, 01:21 PM I joined, but I didn't put i-club in front of my name, but the ImprezaRider that you see there is me http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
Guys, you can change your name http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif Just go into your profiley thing and change it http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif I changed mine to have the (I-Club) in front of it http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
looker99 04-28-2001, 09:08 PM Joined and running.http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
rbehny 04-28-2001, 09:16 PM um why does the clock thing say i'm inactive? My computer has been crunching away for the last 3 days and i haven't even gotten 50% on this one packet...
Whats up with that. I also had to restart my computer cuz it crashed and then i had to start over. Isn't it saving as it goes along?
Thanks
Avenger 04-28-2001, 09:22 PM I've signed up too.. My K6-3 450 is rated at 37 overall!! Is this right?
Yeah, but keep in mind a)you have an AMD processer, being rated by an Intel sponsered program and b)It's being compared to a Pentium 4 1.5ghz system. If it makes you feel better my Athlon 750@1050 is rated 48 and it' workin' units very fast.http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
WRSport 04-29-2001, 12:55 AM Dell Dual 1gighz 2gigs ram---two clients on that one.
Pentium III 800
Dual P550
PI 233
PII Dual 233
ohh and couple other laptops.
OK OK Im cheating but its a cause that means a lot to me.
Nick you aint gonna catch up bro http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
KCZ now you joined one day before me and you look like you could be a problem http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
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neuromancer 04-29-2001, 03:15 AM Intel is just bitter because the P4 is a turd. They sacreficed alot of performance so the clock speed could be high, but it doesn't equate to better performance. The P3 is a much better chip, and the athelons/t-birds kick soo much butt.
I'm still on the third page, I think it's time to set up some more PCs.
WRSport 04-29-2001, 09:40 AM Each "Data Unit" is not created equal. You might one day complete a data unit in 7 hours and the next it could take 4 days. This just means that it found a molecule/s that its trying to fit, and its trying millions of different orientations. Also this program does not "checkpoint" that often, so when you reboot it will back up to its last checkpoint.
Cheers,
(iClub)Chris Brunell
Nick can I use this as my signature?
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Any reason it thinks I have only 1 GB?
Tony
98mpreziveRS 04-29-2001, 01:44 PM same reason it thinks i have only 1 gig..even though i have over 60 *shrug* And this compuker rates a 51..even though i have another compuker which is built the same that rates in at 87 *shrug* i don't get it.. but it's for a good cause so i don't care http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif
It's how much you have dedicated to United Devices. You can change it in your profile.
omahasubaru 04-29-2001, 05:50 PM I just joined.. (I-Club) omahasubaru
Keep the members coming guys!
Cancer is a killer, I know first hand. This is a very worthy cause.
neuromancer 04-29-2001, 08:02 PM Yeah, change the amount of space dedicated to the service. Its in your profile. I set mine to 10GB and it increased my score alot.
I don't know if it helps you compute work units faster, but if you need the space you can always lower it later.
rbehny 04-29-2001, 08:13 PM hehe my score is 165. My network score is 518. man i love cable modems...later,
robert
WRSport 04-29-2001, 10:52 PM FWIW,
The space setting in the profile if set to 10gigs will give you extra points but WILL NOT EVER use more than about 2mb... PERIOD.
They have that option for future possibilites of using more "space" on your hard drive if needed. The second they start using that space on our harddrives I will tell you guys.
But for now set it to 10gigs and you will get extra points and thats it.
(iClub)Chris Brunell
HondaH8er 05-01-2001, 01:06 PM OK, I just joined. And I'm in the Subaru team, user name "iClub HondaH8er". And a score of 53 for my computer. I guess a PIII 933 w/256m PC133 RAM just isn't up to snuff http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/rolleyes.gif Oh, well, I'll take the insult, and do my part to find a cure.
I'm getting some seriously complicated molecules running through my computer...They're really cool to look at...mmm...molecules...mmm..
WRSport 05-02-2001, 10:48 AM As if someone is going to join http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif Unless we are giving away scooby snacks peeps dont seem to care.
Technic 05-03-2001, 04:51 AM joined, will leave home computer running while I go to work http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
WRSport 05-03-2001, 05:25 PM OH yeah, whos at the top of the list now, 'representin' (iClub)!!
Sorry, just had to say something, been trying to catch up and pass these folks http://www.nasioc.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
Cheers,
makua11b 05-04-2001, 03:47 PM Bimp
Dissenter 05-04-2001, 04:11 PM Okay, I've been playing the catch up game for the last few weeks now, but I'm sitting arround 20th place still. Monday, I'm installing it on our 4 servers at work AND if you guys still think you're going to take me, I've got 15 or so workstations I can push this to wuth SMS. I will be ling of the hill one of these days!
WRSport 05-04-2001, 06:16 PM FINALLY.....NOW the game is ON http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
rbehny 05-04-2001, 10:06 PM please don't front... i have 300 computers in my work that can run this plus another 100 at my part time that could do this. We don't turn them off at night either cuz there's always late classes or early workers that come in at awkward times. I could get the highes score with in 3 or 4 days but i'm not gonna do that cuz this isn't a king of the hill fight it's a save your best friend FIGHT... and that's all i'm gonna say...! By the way i am gonna install it on them so we get a cure faster.... That's all i care about.
WRSport 05-05-2001, 02:11 AM LOL, whatever dude..Fine I'll put MY money where Your mouth is.....I think I've lost enough family members to cancer, to justify making this a friendly competition....The point of which is to get more than 50 out of 6200 memebers here to care enough to install it. ....but yeah that would be great if you joined. So Rbenny, if you can pass me up within 7 days, I will send ya $20 for your time and hassle of setting up the clients. Who knows your effort might even save YOUR BEST FRIEND.
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Bump. 133 active members. Come on people we can do better than that. Install the program, you won't even notice it's there, and you'll help find a cure for cancer.
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neuromancer 05-06-2001, 02:18 AM The biggest problem I have with this software is it rarely keeps my progress when I shut it down. SETI kept almost ALL of my progress when you shut it down or reboot. I reallocated like 8 gigs to this software you would think it would cache more data...
makua11b 05-06-2001, 02:29 PM bmp
Slvrblt 05-06-2001, 03:26 PM woo hooo 27th on the list with my little dell, and to think y'all are using networks of computers, and i have 1 http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/lol.gif oh well, tis for a good cause, I have friends asking about it all the time, still trying to convince them to install it though
ok, so it's 27 on the second page, didn't look at it that carefully, but still HAA take thathttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif:
speed safely
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Brian
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WRSport 05-06-2001, 03:52 PM nEUROMANCER...i AGREE the software does not 'checkpoint' often enough and supposedly they are working on that.
TTT
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Freeskier 05-06-2001, 08:55 PM I just joined. I hope this works and we can make a difference. 10 years ago I sadly lost my father to a five year battle against cancer. I know what it's all about.
I LOVE you dad http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/frown.gif
Stefan
Dissenter 05-06-2001, 10:39 PM In no way am I trying to front. I'm sure there are admins that can push this thing out to hundreds of computers. Far more than I have access to. The question is, if you can then why haven't you? We are talking about a cure for cancer. Friendly competition keeps this thread on top of the list and that way, more people will notice it.
rbehny 05-07-2001, 07:58 PM hey i'm sorry for putting down the idea of friendly competition. But when i first saw what was written it looked like a "who's bigger" competition. I'm not up for that. I just loaded it on a bunch of computers today and to my ignorant surprise the min for ram is 48 and the systems i run have only 36 so sorry no cigar. I'm gonna try to get my friends to hook this up every where. Later,Robert
Oh by the way i am signed up already.
i-club rbehny
rbehny 05-07-2001, 10:04 PM ttt for tonight
rbehny 05-07-2001, 10:05 PM that was a quick bump down... back up
HoratioCaine 05-07-2001, 10:32 PM Hey-lo
I haven't posted in this thread for a few days...
Looks like I'm 25 on the first page.
What gives? Can you no longer look at the list of teams in order of # of members?
On a personal side note: I got my port-a-cath removed today. That's oops. 9 months since the completion of radiation and chemo. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif The coast is clear.
HoratioCaine 05-08-2001, 07:05 PM The only downside of it is that once we know what cures cancer, we'll know what causes it. That in turn can be turned into a biological weapon. But I think that most cancers are too slow growing to make an effective weapon.
Bump.
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SkToBe 05-08-2001, 10:20 PM Grrr... Been working on this same packet for 5 days now... Reboot, start over, reboot, start over. One of the molecules had like 250 million "conformers" (what ever that means). And no, I don't really want an explaination of what it means...
Red-Impreza 05-09-2001, 12:46 AM Wow! I'm absolutely flabbergasted. I didn't realize you guys were doing this. I think this is great! I've been an Intel employee for over 10 years now and an i-Club member for nearly a year. I'm proud of both, even more so now.
I loaded this as my screen saver when it was announced at work. Now, I've joined the i-Club group. I also donate to cancer research through the United Way at work.
My wife and my father have both had surgery for cancer (both surviving well), but I think that hacking out or killing off parts of the body that are affected is a draconian solution. I think this is a great way to apply a little technology to help come up with a better (and more effective) answer. I am just thrilled to see the i-Club members doing this.
Well done.
-Bud Caldwell
HoratioCaine 05-09-2001, 02:22 PM ahem.
I ROBOT 05-11-2001, 03:11 AM NEVER MIND
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I ROBOT 05-11-2001, 03:15 AM hmm well i just won $25 dollars from prizecrazy, apparently i shocked the monkey just right.
false alarm about the cancer thing.
sorry.
Up ya go! In case you are wondering why I bump so much my last grandparent, my grandmother is dying of lung cancer. Since it's mother's day, I would love to find a cure. Sign up. Yeah, you. Not the person sitting next to you. YOU! Please. With everyone's help we can put the whole cancer thing behind us, so join up now.
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Hey! What's this doing down here...TTT!
WRSport 05-15-2001, 01:13 AM Heres a bump just for IRONMAN since this topic seems to bug him so much.
Kragma 05-15-2001, 06:27 AM To be perfectly honest, this set-up makes me sick. They're playing off people's emotions and getting them to donate computing power with very little actual return.
A cure for cancer isn't a big return? It isn't when a single corporation owns it, patents it and charges whatever they like for it. In that situation, they literally decide who lives and who dies. And they're reap billions from it, all thanks to you and your computer. Think you or your family will get a discount for participating?
I hate to dampen everyone's parade here, really, but the idea of giving a corporation cycles on my computer and them profiting directly from it just makes me sick. It's even worse when they play on people's emotions to make them think it's some noble cause.
This is no Human Genome Project. The idea there was specifically to keep the map of human genetic code public and open, competing with a corporation to get it done before they could. This cancer stuff is you helping the corporation make money.
Hey guys, just signed up to try and help. Sorry it took so long......when I saw this link had so many responses I decided to give it a whirl.
The ignorance amazes me sometimes!
Does anyone still realize that a cure for cancer... is still a CURE FOR CANCER. Whoever owns it... damn't people, get off the soapboxes... either put up for shut up! Seriously... if you you're not posting that you are putting the client on your computer or bumping the message... don't post!
Apparently none of you who are bitching have actually ever lost someone to cancer. Well I hope you never do... but should you, wouldn't you buy the cure at any cost if one were available? Yeah... thought so...
Medicine has never been free in the states, why should that start now? Maybe in a utopian society the cure for cancer would be free... but a cure that cost money is still better than no cure at all.
So grow up and do something for other people for a change!
-Nick
Kragma 05-15-2001, 08:16 AM A cure you can't afford is as useless as no cure at all. I lost an aunt to a form of cancer that should have been treatable, but she couldn't afford the proper treatment. There's no one there to say "ok, you can't afford it so you get it for free." Instead, you pay or you die. That's a disgusting capitalist ideology in a part of society we simply don't need it in. No one has a problem with doctors and drug companies that are only in it for the money? Moreover, you're willing to help this process along and make one drug company not only by far the richest, but also make them one of the most powerful organizations in the world, weilding the power of life and death over millions of people.
Do you honestly believe anyone except the very rich will be able to afford a cure? They can charge whatever they like for it, people have to pay it if they want to live. Is your naivete so deep that you think a drug company will charge a mass-market price for something they have a monopoly on?
The sheer audacity of a company wanting nearly free computer power so that they can use it to forward this agenda is nauseating. That so many people are duped into this plan means they will probably succeed.
You may think now that you'll have some sense of helping people when and if a cure is found, but it won't bring back dead loved-ones and the reality of the situation isn't even crossing the minds of most people.
Basically, I'd rather have no cure than a cure no one can afford and fattens the pockets of a select few.
Well then Kragma, what's your suggestion to try to find a cure for cancer?
Cause this one dosen't seem to work for you.
-Nick
GimmeScoobySnacks 05-15-2001, 08:27 AM well i plan to be rich, so whoever needs it that i love wont have to worry about not being able to afford it. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
JJTheSubeDriver 05-15-2001, 08:30 AM Yeah, Kragma, let's hear it. DO YOU HAVE A CURE? Nope- I din't think so. Let's face it: it IS going to be some sort of CORPORATION that will find a CURE and they will make a PROFIT, but I don't give a crap about that. All I care about is that one is found, and being part of this makes me and my family members with cancer and the ones who have DIED from it very PROUD. So if you don't have any other ideas, than go away. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/mad.gif
JJTheSubeDriver 05-15-2001, 08:36 AM and this statement is about the worst argument I've heard on this club in a long time:
Basically, I'd rather have no cure than a cure no one can afford and fattens the pockets of a select few.
Wake up! It's not like no one will be able to afford it! I bet the majority of people with health care coverage will be able to. That is not to say we have a health care crisis in this contry that needs to be fixed so all could afford it. The insurance companies would rather pay for a cure than pay for years of chemo, radiation and all that other stuff. Because in the end, they might pay out all that money and lose a paying customer. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/frown.gif
Imprezident's: I'm sorry for ranting for the cause but this ticks me off. Here is a chance to find a cure, no matter what it is or who comes up with it, and people are "fighting" it? Give me a break.
JJ
JJTheSubeDriver, no apology necessary.
-Nick
Impresario 05-15-2001, 09:43 AM It's obvious that Kragma doesn't understand the reality of health care in America (or is just trolling)
Even in Kragma's worst case scenario, where an "evil" drug company ends up hoarding a cure for cancer, they can only do it for so long. Drug patents expire after a few years, which is the reason generic brand medications exist. Furthermore, if a cure for cancer were discovered and given as a drug, how long would it possibly take for it to be reverse engineered by some foreign pharmaceutical company? This is already happening in India, where anti-HIV drugs are effectively being "pirated" by companies out of range of international copyright law.
WRSport 05-15-2001, 11:04 AM Kragma. Read up on who supports this effort and you will be eating your words. This sicken's me to be honest.
Kragma 05-15-2001, 11:06 AM Everyone would love to think that they'll help save lives with this, hence the emotional conviction so evident over it. This is, of course, exactly what a drug company would want. But this is not a simple issue of downloading a client and saving lives. There may not be a cure forthcoming from this. In fact, there's no real garantee that's even what they're using your machine for.
Certainly I think there's enough naivete going around about this. People don't even question that this is a good thing. Everyone assumes this is for the good of humanity. But to a drug company, the good of humanity isn't in the business plan. As long as the good of humanity and increasing shareholder value are one and the same, sure, but they usually aren't one and the same. Being a humanitarian organization doesn't pay as well.
This may seem overly cynical and critical of drug companies, but medicine is a business like any other. There's no consious desicion to to make a drug hard to get and cause people to die. That's not even what they're thinking about, they're merely thinking of profit. That's the way business works, it doesn't change just because the decisions made affect the lives of millions of people. For example, do you think many car companies would put in things like airbags, seatbelts and crumple zones in all cars if the government didn't mandate it? Some would because it's a selling point (profitable), others would not because it decreases their margins (also profitable). That's something that effects the lives of millions of people, but executives don't make moral decisions, they make business decisions. Cynisism, I think, is justified in this case.
Then how do you go about curing cancer? If society as a whole decided to create a cure, it would be done. In this case, I think and open, public variant of this cure-finding system is in order. One where any cure found is specifically not patented. This is what the Human Genome Project was all about and why the human genome isn't patented (plant genomes are quickly being patented, however).
Some may argue that anyone with medical insurance will be able to attain a cure. This may or may not be the case. If the cure costs more than you've paid into or will pay into an HMO, do you honestly believe they'll sign off on it? And only 2/3 of the population between the ages of 18 and 65 have insurance. Do we simply let the remaining 1/3 die? But this is a problem with the American medical system as a whole, it's like modernized Darwinism. We've eliminated the weak, now we eliminate the poor.
A drug company is welcome to try and create a cure and try to sell it at whatever cost. But they're using a public pool of computing power, does not that cure now belong to the people? According to the licensing terms on the client, the answer is no. Rip-off, I say. Scam even. I'll not be a part of it and I'll attempt to make other people at least question the situation rather than dogmattically believe that it's for the good of humanity.
Kragma:
I feel very sorry for you going through life such a cynic... but to each his own...
I respect your opinion... and I can see your points... but I believe this is for the good of humanity, not the downfall as you suggest.
And seeing as this is a private board run by myself and Imprezer, I will ask you to please feel free to express your opinions elsewhere. So if you have anything else you would like to say about this do it on some other site. This thread is not meant for discussion about this topic. It's asking for help, nothing more.
If you choose not to run the client, then don't. But please don't post in this thread anymore. You are annoying me and the people who believe this is a good idea, and would like to help find a cure for cancer.
-Nick
Kragma 05-15-2001, 11:29 AM A4Killer, you actually bring up something interesting. Has anyone actually read the licensing agreement attached to the client? Licensing agreements are legally-binding contracts, you know. It's important to read and understand them. Obviously, most people have not read the licensing agreement or they have and they don't understand it. There's a trail to follow, but they're intentionally hiding the identity of the company(s) behind all this. Witness this clause in the license agreement:
Third Party Beneficiaries. Member agrees that certain third parties, including, but not limited to, UD's customers, are direct and intended third party beneficiaries of this Agreement.
That's the catch. United Devices itself is a for-profit company and they intend to sell any information that comes out of this research to third parties. I believe these third parties are already actively recieving this data, but since I can't find a list of who United Devices customers are, I can't find out which drug companies are in on it. Maybe it's in their recent SEC filing, but I can't track that down.
United Devices, for those who don't know, is the company that makes the client. They specialize in distributed computing and have deals with many companies to provide both large and small-scale distributed computers. This makes me think the whole thing is a contract deal with a drug company or several drug companies. The prize aspect of this, along with the advertising on their site makes this all seem a little less than sincere and legitimate, but I'll reserve judgement until I can find out who their clients are. But this is obviously not the set-up everyone thinks it is.
Technic 05-15-2001, 11:35 AM So if it costs $1 million to make one dose of cancer antidote, the drug company should just give it away to everyone?
I'm not up on all my history, but how were smallpox and polio vaccines found? Did some non profit group get together and do it? Think about all the things you were vaccinated against as a child, did everyone get those vaccines when they were first discovered, I doubt it.
I don't think I'm saving lives by running the program, in fact it will probably never benefit me or anyone I know. Even if they never find a cure I can at least say I did something (even though I'm not really doing anything).
Society as a whole will never do anything useful, we have opinions and tend to disagree and get nothing accomplished. So, while you whine about big drug companies that want to destroy the world and make money, I'll try to help a little.
Actually, I don't care if they're making money off my processor cycles...It may very well, in fact, help to find a cure for cancer. And if a cure is found, I certainly hope that no one actually believes that only the filthy rich will be able to afford it. I bet it won't be cheap for a bit, but it will be had. Eventually it will become more and more common. I've lost people to cancer, and I may very well get cancer myself. I believe that the statistical number of men who will at some point in their lives contract prostate cancer in the state of NJ is ~1 in 3. That's cutting it a bit close for me. Breast cancer statistics are just as bad, in all honesty. If it runs in your family, your chances of getting it skyrocket. What if your wife had it, and you had a daughter. Her chances of getting breast cancer at some point in her life are fairly large. I'm not going to go so far as to say you don't care about a cure for cancer, but I am going to say either donante your processor cycles or hush...No one is forcing you to do so, and no one is forcing you to read this thread. Thank you.
WRSport 05-15-2001, 02:17 PM Something happened with group stats yesterday. Two days ago I had 242 units completed. One day ago I had 262 units completed. Today It say's I have 208 units compeleted. I've been robbed!!!
Anywho-
Cheers,
(iClub)Chris Brunell
HoratioCaine 05-15-2001, 02:23 PM Yeah.. so it may not be free to everyone, but if you've got health insurance it certainly won't be out of reach. I paid maybe $2000 out of my own pocket for chemotherapy and radiation to get rid of my cancer. Yippie skippy. The total of all of the bills I saw come through was over $60k. That's what insurance is for.
If you don't like the way this country is run, do something about it or GET OUT. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif
Nobody is forcing you to stay.
neuromancer 05-15-2001, 02:38 PM Not to sound naive, but I'm sure if a cure gets discovered, it will be regulated and mandated.
Doubt the goverment would sit on a thing like a cure for cancer...
Neuro
HoratioCaine 05-15-2001, 11:10 PM Hi!
Back on the subject. . .
I'm just informing you all that I bought the parts ($160) that I needed to complete a second PC so I will now start making progress up the list once again. Not like some of you guys... but at about 1.7 times the speed I was going at before. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
uncreative 05-16-2001, 12:29 AM This is from the FAQ on the Intel page:
"Who will own the patent for this discovery and which commercial enterprise will profit?
The results from the computing in this program will be compiled by United Devices* and subsequently delivered to the University of Oxford* and the National Foundation for Cancer Research* for additional study. These are both non-profit organizations. The University of Oxford* will own the intellectual property associated with any discovery they find and the resulting data will be made available to the public, at no cost, sometime after their initial research is completed."
So, maybe that will make some of you feel a little better about the whole thing.
WRSport 05-16-2001, 12:33 AM Edit
Above poster beat me http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif Uncreative you get the award for the best first post of a new iclub memeber. You even read the FAQ, which you get bonus points for.
Kragma,
OXford University own's the results/Intellectual property etc of this project. They plan on re-licensing any end uses of this project on a not for profit basis. Yes licenses do cost money, but this money is turned backaround into further research efforts. This is all of time I'm going to waist explaining this. I could go on and on but I think I have made the only point required to end your unfounded cynical comments.
Cheers,
(iClub)Chris Brunell
[This message has been edited by A4Killer (edited May 15, 2001).]
zpeed 05-22-2001, 12:36 AM I just joined. My username on there is zpeed1. Finally put my new computer to use. Let's see what this 1Ghz can do.. =)
Aaron..
I ROBOT 05-22-2001, 02:46 AM I was wondering, after we cure cancer, what should we next devote our processing power to? What is the next noble cause worthy of our data packets?
Here are a few ideas:
Build a behavioral model to explain female behavior.
Quantum Computers.
Magic ring to make people invisible.
Bring back the dinosaurs but only on a Island so they cant escape.
Improbability Drive and/or warp drive.
Eliminate the need for deoderant.
A faster wireless network standard than ISO 802.11b or bluetooth.
Frictionless metal.
Build a city out of chocolate.
The M.R.P.N. Foundation- "Make Retarded People Normal".
Better mousetrap.
Make lightbars cheaper for DAMON.
Fiber optic paint (so you can make your car any color or pattern you want with a computer- neat idea, eh??! eh!? I thought of that myself)
Tang 2: the revenge.
Cure smallpox.
A better New Coke.
Fix whatever is wrong with Brucelee and/or send him on a mission to save Mars from the Venusians.
Make white people and black people love each other.
Make people be able to change color based on mood or desire.
New kind of rice that is not only more nutritious, but a superb engine coolant, livestock feed, and insulation.
Laser Tag 2: "this time its not just a game".
Working plan for socialized medicine.
Cold fusion.
Time machine.
Teleportation.
Immortality.
Formulate a system of government that doesn't rely on politicians. (wait, never mind- impossible)
Space elevator.
Cigarettes that dont hurt you.
Diamond monofilament.
Robots that look like you and me that are super strong and have lasers in their eyes and have stable personalities. (so they dont go on a rampage again)
and finally- Make Africa bloom again.
Thats all I have now, but I am sure I will think of more! Any more ideas?
Be sure to vote for your favorite one!
Improbability Drive! YES!
WRSport 05-22-2001, 11:03 AM "Robots that look like you and me that are super strong and have lasers in their eyes and have stable personalities"
yeah that one http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif
Red-Impreza 05-22-2001, 01:33 PM Wow! This discussion certainly got interesting. I know many here would prefer that dissenting opinions just stayed quiet, but I personally think people should discuss these things. If you never arguement with someone, you're probably not discussing anything important. (Besides, the longer the arguement goes on, the more this thread gets bumped. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif )
I'm not defending him/her, but don't crusify Kragma for being a cynic. Someone I hold in very high regard once said that "only the paranoid survive." Blind faith is very dangerious and nothing is ever as simple as we'd like it to be.
Kragma, your arguement doesn't seem to be directly with this project. It seems to me, that you have a deep dissagreement with our system of a free market economy. Necesity may indeed be the mother of invention, but if nobody profits from the invention it'll never see mass distribution.
You also said that corporations don't make decisions with the good of humanity as the goal. I'm sure you're right, but I have two challenges for you. First, define the good of humanity. Not just in vague terms, but in specific language that can be used to make these decisions. Second, identify a better economic system and describe your criteria for judging it as better. (Oh, but I'd suggest you start this discussion in the off-topic forum. Nick and Alex do own the joint and I don't think they want that discussion in this thread.)
Personally, I think that you have to invent a cure first, then fight over who owns it and who gets rich off of it. I personally DO support the idea that people/company that invent the cure should get rich off of it. For that fact, anybody who helps facilitate the invention should get something for it. (But that gets back to economics again.)
Here's a thought for all of us. It seems to my admitedly uninformed mind, that the "cure" may not be for the living. It's very possible that the actual cure may come from eliminating the possibility (or at least probability) of cancer from the human genome. There's a lot of evidence that it's a disease of heredity.
However, since that doesn't help me, my wife, or my father (all of whom have either had cancer, had cancer-related surgery, or simply have an increased likelyhood of developing cancer) So, I think I'll keep donating my spare computing power to this project.
-Bud
2Point5RS 05-22-2001, 01:46 PM Everytime I run this program, my computer hoses up. 128k RAM, 8g HD, Pentium III - 498Mhz.
Matt
Red-Impreza 05-22-2001, 02:29 PM Try these: Member Support FAQ (http://members.ud.com/services/support/faq.htm) and Contact Technical support (http://www.ud.com/contact/support.htm) .
Cigarettes that dont hurt you.
i would smoke all day then http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif
There aren't enough computers in the world to make the slightest dent in #1.
My vote is for the improbability drive. There's an infinite number of monkeys over here with a script for a shakespere play they worked out...
Tony
[This message has been edited by Tony (edited May 22, 2001).]
I ROBOT 05-24-2001, 01:45 AM We need more people to get on this bandwagon!
Pretend its like smoking and start today, and dont stop!
Someone told me after cancer we should invent a never ending toilet roll, so if you ever want to see that, we have to cure cancer first, so COME ON EVERYONE!
neuromancer 05-24-2001, 03:22 PM how big can this post get?
Wintrode 05-24-2001, 03:30 PM Well, you'll be happy to know that there are MANY other teams out there doing the same thing you guys are. The team that I'm on, Ars Technica Team Crab Cake, for instance has returned over 18,000 results. The top 500 UD users alone have returned 2,971,615 RESULTS. Now that is some serious computing power being put down. It's encouraging. My hope is that we get through the first phase study quickly and onto even more cancer studies.
As to the discussion on the morality of this whole process and the fattening a few peoples pockets.... Is it more immoral to support the pursuit of a cure that may make a few rich and will likely benefit the majority, or stop such a pursuit just to spite the few who may profit from it and definitely hurt the majority? hmmm. What was it that they said in ethics about the greatest good for the greatest number?....hmm.
Steve Breen 05-27-2001, 06:02 PM I have just been informed of an unofficial team stats page which can be sorted on number of team members, points, processing time etc.
http://udstats.programmer.nl/
In summary...
As of 12:52 on the 25th May, out of over 11,500 teams the Impreza WWW Owners Club team is...
37th in the points race,
42nd in the number of members,
36th in number of results returned and
39th in processing time donated.
We have 213 members who have returned 8184 results, donating 14 years, 315 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes and 19 seconds of CPU time.
http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/cool.gif
So if you are reading this for the first time, checkout the beginning of the thread and join up. The fight for cancer needs YOU!
Regards
Steve
prezios 05-27-2001, 06:39 PM I just joined.
zpeed 05-30-2001, 04:02 PM Hey I ROBOT, you forgot a cure for the common cold. =)
Aaron..
WRSport 06-28-2001, 03:29 PM United Devices sent me $10 via paypal .
In the Top 200 MAy Cash Contest !!!
Wooohhhooooo :)
joefong 06-29-2001, 03:20 AM im in!! only got a 62 though...so unless u have all intel products then your not gonna get a high rating...my laptop is worse...41!!
joe
Snoopy 06-29-2001, 08:38 AM Is't capitalism great? With our vast resources, we can do almost anything.
My lowly Pentium II 400 with 128ram is rated at a snail's pace of 21. On a good day, I'd get a 22 rating. Although my score is high(been doing this since this thread got started), I've yet to reap any rewards.
Anyway, we'll find the cure. We will.
This is a really good cause guys... please read and sign up.
So far here is a list of our members who have joined and their results:
(I Club) StrikerWRX 04/19/2001 5 890 0:004:00:19:49
(i Club)tatical 04/25/2001 3 241 0:001:08:50:42
(I-Club) Fido 04/20/2001 91 7,448 0:037:04:06:06
(i-club) JJTheSubeDriver 04/17/2001 282 26,295 0:126:10:59:28
(i-club) joefong 06/29/2001 799 32,939 0:097:03:56:03
(i-club) neuromonic 04/27/2001 29 3,411 0:009:19:18:12
(i-Club) Reiflex 04/26/2001 440 49,844 0:228:09:02:56
(i-Club) Tony 04/29/2001 152 14,945 0:062:02:22:46
(i-club)Blindeye_03 04/29/2001 1 45 0:000:09:05:01
(i-club)Gin 04/27/2001 31,155 308,889 2:158:03:03:12
(I-Club)Jshed 05/15/2001 108 17,390 0:074:23:26:25
(i-club)looker99 04/29/2001 34 3,961 0:022:18:15:33
(i-club)NYEJ25 04/22/2001 101 6,287 0:031:11:09:21
(i-club)remarcable 04/23/2001 145 14,918 0:097:00:35:45
(I-Club)tulit 04/23/2001 11 975 0:008:01:14:47
(iClub) BrianK 04/24/2001 783 57,040 0:260:20:23:12
(Iclub) BrianR 04/26/2001 0 0 -:---:--:--:--
(iClub) Buffalo Bob 04/23/2001 12 1,895 0:017:22:02:01
(iClub) dvancleve 04/23/2001 635 63,526 0:254:20:35:00
(iclub) gocatz 04/23/2001 7 878 0:005:11:17:49
(iClub) HondaH8er 05/01/2001 446 24,469 0:088:16:31:51
(iclub) horatio102 04/20/2001 527 27,414 0:102:15:53:50
(iClub) ImprezedRS 04/23/2001 6 926 0:006:12:01:35
(iclub) Jaxx 05/05/2001 0 0 -:---:--:--:--
(iClub) Lexicon 04/23/2001 82 20,119 0:127:10:39:10
(iClub) Nick 04/19/2001 1,069 118,655 1:015:13:23:45
(iClub) Porter 04/23/2001 1 93 0:000:14:51:28
(IClub) SkToBe 04/19/2001 77 7,971 0:056:01:16:22
(iClub) Swivel1000 04/17/2001 22 3,083 0:015:16:52:42
(iClub)Charge 04/17/2001 174 13,798 0:065:15:13:38
(iClub)Chris Brunell 04/22/2001 6,181 631,794 4:327:13:01:23
(iClub)Freeskier 05/07/2001 10 984 0:004:09:45:03
(iClub)gimpless 05/28/2001 0 0 -:---:--:--:--
(iClub)Kcz 04/21/2001 601 33,913 0:117:20:24:11
(iclub)kdmd2b 05/22/2001 2 514 0:003:00:44:09
(iClub)ScoobyRacer 04/20/2001 31 8,073 0:027:11:13:31
(iClub)Spazz41 04/24/2001 740 50,616 0:236:18:03:21
(iClub)Technic 05/03/2001 190 14,332 0:048:09:32:18
(iClub)Wedge 04/22/2001 95 7,302 0:034:16:20:44
(iClub)WREcks 04/23/2001 18 1,958 0:007:04:07:44
That didn't past so well... but all I wanted was the names anyway... so get packet churning!!!
-Nick
yeah, I'm still running this little app hehe...
remarcable 10-16-2001, 06:40 PM Do they have a Mac version out yet?
Oh wait... Intel sponsored. Nevermind. I still have my PCs crankin' on it though.
Marc Sawaya 10-16-2001, 08:49 PM I'm running it, my name just doesn't have i-club in front of it.
SHObaru 10-16-2001, 09:12 PM I just joined but it looks like Microsoft is in front by only 1 person we must beat Microsoft. I mean really, all the discussion about evil corporations we can at least beat one of them at something. So join up and take Microsoft to town. :devil:
Longshot 10-17-2001, 04:45 PM All joined up.. I'll \\/h0r3 out my work machine... its on 24/7 maybe I'll toss it on a server or two ;)
..my little 500mhz laptop on a T1 got a 79.. I wonder what my home computer would get..
Korey
Slvrblt 10-17-2001, 06:02 PM I've been running it for a while now, but my name doesn't have i-club in front, though it's my group
speed safely
Brian :devil:
totoherbs 10-17-2001, 07:11 PM ok i joind up quick question tho i have 4 comps in the house can i install it on thoes under my name or do i have to make a new one
Longshot 10-18-2001, 07:40 AM Originally posted by totoherbs
ok i joind up quick question tho i have 4 comps in the house can i install it on thoes under my name or do i have to make a new one
I think you may be able to do it all under one name.. I'll try it at work a bit later...
Korey
Longshot 10-18-2001, 10:36 AM Yeah.. I have 7 workstations/servers at work under my name.. you can use one member name for them all :)
Korey
Scoob_13 10-18-2001, 08:51 PM I wish you had stickied this a long time ago...I'm running on this machine up here (103/100) and will go home and run it on all 3 of my machines at home so we can figure this out. Also sending it to our lead IT guy to see if we can't load up a bunch of older machines that we have sitting around to run it, I'll use my id =P
Just joined up. I might donate some machines at work for this, too, if I can figure out a way to run it without people knowing.
Longshot 10-19-2001, 08:17 AM Originally posted by jamz
Just joined up. I might donate some machines at work for this, too, if I can figure out a way to run it without people knowing.
LOL My boss said the same thing.. there is a way :)
http://www.firedaemon.com/
Run the thing as an NT/2k service, and it disappears.. it appears to be working for me so far and you can't even tell its installed sans the 100% computer usage all the time...
Korey
WRSport 06-02-2002, 11:51 PM I crossed the million points mark. 10 years of CPU time!
(iClub)Chris Brunell 04/22/2001 10:057:22:50:17 1,088,256 10,198
So any of you still crunching packets?
Looks like it. Too bad this got pushed into oldshool. Kind of died there quickly.
http://members.ud.com/services/teams/team.htm?id=4B4667E4-95B8-4747-800F-F7E54398A3C2
ATX25RS 06-03-2002, 02:31 PM yeah this is constanly running on my CPU @ home...i am work right now so i'll post tonite
Andres
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