as the subject says. :)

Maita is good from what I have heard,
Roseville may be better if Mike (NDMORESPD) got his job there selling.
Looking for a WRX?

Go to Maita, ask for Chris Jones, tell him your on the I-club and Steve sent you.

Auburn (Gold Rush Subaru) is also good, especially for a test drive. Shingle springs is ok. Avoid Roseville like the plague! :eek:

Started last week, on the 8th and started working with customers last friday...

Sold my first car today, a White WRX Wagon, 5 spd.

PLEASE give me the opportunity to make you a deal, I'll be working tomorrow from 3-10pm, Friday from about 12-10pm and Sat/Sun/Mon I'll be there open to close. (916) 786-6611.

I will mention that this weekend we are having a HUGE used car sale @ Cal Expo so they should be dealing better on new cars at the dealership. Do be aware of a few facts regarding Roseville Subaru:
1) I don't have the clout to control the price you pay. As every other Sacramento dealer has, we have a mark-up on the car.
2) If you call and fail to reach me, please leave me a message, I will call you back. I would rather make a deal with you direct than have to split with one of my "teammates" who help me sooooooo much ;)

Feel free to email me for more info, I try to check my mail nightly but I am not always succesful...

Mike
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P.S. Maita even has a mark-up on their cars, unless you call and beg Chris for a deal ;)

Your actually working with those pricks? Man...

Mike, check again, Gold Rush doesnt have any mark ups at all :p Even back when the WRX first came out they didnt! :eek: Surprized me and I complimented them for it

Mojo you do realize no matter what dealers will always have a mark up even at invoice. It all comes down to who you know and how you can work a deal mainly.
Mike congrats for finally getting a job and at least its one that will give you a paycheck as well as benni's for the car.
Rich

Rich, your confusing MSRP and "Dealer Mark Up".

Wholesale is how much the dealer actually paid, Invoice is how much the dealer paid + some extra money on there, MSRP is Invoice plus like $2000 for Subaru, and Dealer Mark Up is that little sticker next to the actual window sticker that says like "Advertising fee" or "Adjusted Value" or some weird totally made up phrase and says some crazy number between $1 and ive seen up to $10,000 or more on some cars like M3's and PT cruisers and stuff...

Maita, Shingle Springs, Roseville, and even Senator have the "dealer mark ups" on the car. Auburn does not at all. Just flat out MSRP.
And that dealership down in Fairfield actually has prices on the windshield a bit less than MSRP... WITHOUT HAGGLING!

Of course, yes, you need to haggle down, but thats another problem that I had with roseville... They are $$$ $$$ $$$ above all, including customer relations. Maita is about even on the two, and Auburn was Customer relations first, $$$ second (IE they dont fuq with you at all, and cough up lower prices as soon as you show any interest)

And ive been to every dealer around here of any brand (several times for some of them), so I know whats up with whose who and hows what in the area :lol:

And roseville mazda/subaru I hated the most out of EVERY dealer Ive been too... :(

Originally posted by ndmorespd
[B]Started last week, on the 8th and started working with customers last friday...


i never thought i'd see the day a i-club member would be working at Roseville Subaru! Next thing is a member working at Stevens Creek Subaru in San Jose! Hopefully ndmorespd will change roseville subaru's attitude towards customers.. cause everytime i've gone there, (2 times.. 1 time just me.. the 2nd time with my roommate), they treated us like crap!

yes im looking to buy a wrx within the next two months... i just want to start looking around to see who will give me the best deal... and what dealer is mod friendly.

Mojo you are confused about what I am saying.
No dealer will sell cars at an operational loss where they cannot make enough money on the car to justify having it on the lot to begin with. I garuntee now that sales have slowed that dealers are more likely to deal than stick to the MSRP or invoice of a car due to the slowed economy. I know the difference between wholesale, invoice, MSRP, and Dealer Markup but what you don't realize is the number that can cahnge the most without you knowing is wholesale since that is a number only dealerships will see since that is what they buy the car at to stock their "shelves".

Subaru only makes money on the amount of wholesale the dealership makes money above that. MSRP is based on an average taken for all the dealerships in the nation since dealers in the Northeast will definetly sell more Subaru's than dealers in Louisiana (which I don't think even has a dealer) so that they will make a decent profit to maintain their own operating costs. Invoice is a flat rate at which they know they are still making enough money to maintain operating costs for the dealer and is based on almost the same scenerio as above.
Dealer Mark up is like the Blue WRX in Maita that they are trying to sell for $34k with all the SOA goodies and not even the $3k BBS option wheels but the RSK wheels that you can get from sugar for @$1100 this is where the dealers screw you for more profit just like the "extended warrantys" which you can find an aftermarket one for much cheaper and not have to deal with that "crappy dealer" down the road if you don't want to.

Now some dealerships like take Roseville and Maita for example have a much higer operating cost compared to Auburn who's maing selling vehicle is outbacks due to environment more than the WRX ever will be. I would expect Roseville and Maita to charge more due to this as they are a much larger dealership and move more cars than Auburn does due to a much larger market.
Also a dealership like Roseville and Maita will probably have much more room to haggle compared to Auburn because of the volume of cars sold. Does that mean they will no as they really don't have to haggle with anyone. Steve you do remember that people who work at these dealerships have to make money to survive just like anyother buisness. If they sell you a car at invoice or below this time they have to hope they can sell another at MSRP to keep good revenue to come in and keep their jobs.

I do agree that Roseville wouldn't have been high on my list but now that Mike works there hopefully he can help those of us more than the other ******** ever will and make a change in that place

Of course they are all out there to make money!

But some, like roseville, care nothing about customer service as I was saying... Im sure your a great person to work with mike :p but my cousin bought his RS there, and that whole "gang bang team" shiet they do is just messed up... Pass along to someone else, and to someone else, and up to the manager who has been tweaking the show the whole time... Its just pathetic.

Maita has just a salesman, then the fleet salesman... and thats about it. So their salesmen are higher up the "food chain" than at Roseville, while Auburn, you pretty much just work through the one salesman and the finacial dude who does the numbers... So those salesmen are even higher up the food chain.

And for every salesmen your going though, thats more money that needs to go on top of the price of the car. So a place like Roseville wont work the price nearly as low as Auburn, cause that means less money per Salesman. And Maita has a collective thing, where everyone gets credit from ever sale, so its a much "lower pressure" dealer than Roseville as well. Those are the big differences, and why I avoid actually talking $$$ with any of the big-time dealers like Roseville...

Steve I don't know how you figure that every sales person you talk to you have to pay them a portion.
Honestly this is now something that we have an I-club member who works at Roseville now and can hopefully help other prospective club members interested in buying a car out. Does it mean he has to make them a sale no but who knows.
Also i've been to maita and they do the exact same thing Steve so Maita isn't some "harbor for the free world" and like I said before Auburn isn't even half the size of the other dealerships as well as they carry another major brand and have Subaru as another smaller inventory carry Like Maita Subaru is actually a Hyundai dealership first and they happen to carry subaru.

Granted, there have been some good points made here about purchasing a car from any dealer. However the sale experience is brief compared to the long term relationship involved in getting maintenance and repair work done. I've had some experience with both Maita and Roseville service and parts departments.

At Roseville, 730am, I found myself and three other Mazda/Subaru customers looking for a "Service" writer for 15 minutes; "Service" dept deserted, to finally discover that all the "Service" people were next door at BMW making sure that their VIP customers were taken care of while the rest of us cooled our heels, presumably to sit and wish we could also be Bimmer VIP's. This, shame on me, happened twice! So, I wouldn't go back. If you want Subie parts guess where you have to go?! How much of a difference can we expect Mike to make?

On the other hand, Maita's "Service" advisors have been most prompt and courteous, as have Cliff and Joe at the parts counter on numerous occasions. Tony in Service was kind enough to coach me through getting the car home with a new battery after alternator failure in Fairfield on our second day of ownership, despite never having spoken to me previously. I did not buy my car from them, but over time they've earned my loyalty and respect. Where would you take your precious Subie?

Glenn O

Ya, service at Maita is great! I stoped there to get a headlight on the way home from school since one went out, and i barely made it in time, and the parts guy was nice enough to stick it on the car for me :)

subaru of santa cruz....:lol: No seriously! they have sold cars to people as far away as reno!

Sorry for the short reply, I am low on time this weekend with the Cal Expo Tent sale there are five of use left to work the lot fri/sat/sun/mon and hence we are all working open to close (9am-10pm)...

Anyway quick note on service departments... I don't even consider Roseville for service, long story as to why, but trust me it is much mopre than they took to long ;), email me or pm me and I'll fill you in as soon as time permits... I also go to Maita for my service, hell their top mech drives and RS and is/was working on a monster NA motor on his bench...

As far as the "team" slam idea at Roseville goes you have to see that in Roseville we get far more customers than Maita (or Auburn of course) and it's a rule set up by the General Sales Manager that we have to turn you to at least one person before you leave... Now I don't know what happened with this instance where 3 people plus the manager hit you up, but I have never seen more than two people talk to any one person, and more often than not, most people don't mind, and even end up making the purchase... :s

Mark-Up... Mojo you have to realize that Roseville has a $2995 mark-up on ALL of it's cars, and usually gets at least 50% of that. So why wouldn't they ask for it? If you sold your car would you sell it exactly for Wholesale or try to make a buck???

Anyway I need to jet for work, I'll be there all day, I will say that we run credit apps and make sure you can get the loan before you drive, since most of our WRX's have under 50 miles on them ;)

Mike
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Originally posted by ndmorespd
and it's a rule set up by the General Sales Manager that we have to turn you to at least one person before you leave...

Thats when I leave, always. Tell your manager some folks hate that, and that it shows that the managers have 0 confidence in their sales staff.

Mojo you do also realize most times they do that because if you are used to dealing with Joe Schmoe on tuesday and wednesday while trying to hammer out details and options and he quits Thrusday do you really think anyones gonna give a rats arse about the deal you worked out with him. Also incase he is off that day you still have someone familiar with the deal. I would rather work with two people as you can also work the "good cop/bad cop" by playing them as one will be more giving most times than the other. If you don't like it walk away hell all dealerships are out to make money no matter what if they sell a car like I said for $500 below invoice one day they are out to look to sell a car for MSRP or above. Also if you go to a dealership over a period of about 2-3 weeks you can also see what cars are still sitting on the lot and not selling as that is a car you will have a better chance of getting a deal on as all it's doing is taking up space and not making them money.

It wouldn't suprise me if Subaru's cost on building a WRX @$10k-12k and with wholesale at @$19-20k and dealer invoice at @$22k and MSRP at $24k people are going to make money it just depends on how much and from who.

Rich, read this http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html

This explains the differences that Im talking about, and the conditions in which Mike is working (Hey, its a job, but hes not exactly in the best environment)

I just came back from the Roseville Subaru dealer. I got a nice, long 20 minute test drive, but the sales people were not very good. The sales guy I had didn't know very many technical details about the WRX. Nice guy, but as soon as I told him what I wanted to pay and what he could do with his $2995 "markup", he turned me to some guy sounded like he used to sell vacuum cleaners door to door. The sales manager was downright rude, telling me I would never get a WRX at the price I suggested ($500 over invoice, which I felt was rather generous). He brushed me off and I will not be buying any car from them. However, after that test drive I will be definitely buying a WRX. I'll just have to try Maita or Auburn I guess.

I didn't try Roseville, but Chris at Maita offered $500 over invoice up front and that included the installation of additional options. I went in knowing I wanted to pay about 500 over and they offered that up front. I saw no point in trying to knock off a couple hundred more bucks off a 24,000 dollar car.

Thats the same things ive heard about Roseville every time...

Anyway, Mike kicks ass, but the dealership still sucks :p

I got my RS from Roseville, and they sucked ass. The first time I went there, the manager said to combe back with my parents and theyll see what they could do (he has really cool, and almost gave me a test drive). I come back and a kind of cocky guy says he can give us the car for 19,000. We test drive (quick around automall) and go on. The next day we come back and the guy isnt there. We get a newbie who on the test drive backs into a cement bench putting a FAT scratch into the bumper. after the drive we agreee to get the car, and they wont give it to us for less than 21,300!!!

I wasnt paying for the car (paying for 1/4 now) but even I was pissed off. And the service guys SUCK!, and they HATE mods. They said ANY aftermarket part will void the warranty and they wont touch it. I know the whole warranty issue, so dont tell me what they are supposed to do.

I have said time and again DO NOT USE ROSEVILLE'S SERVICE DEPARTMENT!!!! I said that quite a few times, and quitely mention it to all my Impreza buyers..

DDMan, who was the guy that hit the Bench? and where?

Mike
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late september did the internet search for price quotes. I was called back by at least 4 different dealer. The internet dude sold me mine for 23,900. wich inicluded the spoiler and the alarm and the oh so nifty carbon fiber trim. While I was wating oh so long for the finance dudes/process I noticed that the salesman were all hanging out in the front. They used the system of calling "dibs" on the prospective buyers. I was burgularizing some other converstion while waiting between a salesman and a yoiung prospective buyer. Wow the dealer was asking the yong man so much more than I was paying at the time.

So I would say of the intitial purchase that the internet aka Auto-nation dude wasnt the same. I think it depends on the salesman and to clump together dealers without respecting specific salespeople is not a very accurate way to go. Its like saying all cops are mean guys. Or all blondes are DUM.as service goes I did my first oil chaneg my self and will continue to do so. Ive yet to hear a positive report on Roseville's service dept though.

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