Let's hear those opinions... about the new look STI.

http://www.nasioc.com/uploads/front_back.jpg
http://www.nasioc.com/uploads/rearquarter.jpg

It's really awesome for a wagon. Not so awesome for an Impreza WRX STI. :sadbanana:

Yeah, no. The interior looks great though. It would look good as a Suzuki.

Not so awesome for an Impreza WRX STI. :sadbanana:

Based on what? It will spank your STi.

I like it.. It LOOKS FUN, and aggressive. And we know the performance is amazing, and the platform is extremely capable as are all imprezas.

I saw a regular 2008 wrx hatch on teh road yesterday, it was the FIRST one Ive seen, and I was able to spot it coming at me almost naturally.. So its uniquely subaru, but that also means, its uniquely ugly haha. Noone liked the bugeyes when i first bought mine either.

Paul

If I could, I would.

It's growing on me. I think I may spend 35k differently though.

Don't care for it - There are much better looking cars out there for the price, with same or equal performance.

-cough- 135i - cough-

I Love It!! :D

Better than a WRX, but not good looking. I would prefer an EVO any day of the week.

i may like the look if they released a sedan version. im not digging the wagon at all.

double post

-cough- 135i - cough-

Being compared to a BMW is bad now?:confused:

Wagons rule. Bold & exciting move by Subaru to move to the wagon for the STI model.

sucks

i think it will look MUCH better in person. at least that's how i was when the first regular WRX's came out for 08. wasn't to sure on the pics...but then the dealer got one...crap! they look good imo.

can't wait till we get one here at the dealer...might be time to get further in debt! :lol: wait...i mean :sadbanana:

personally i dont care too much about the look, I could see it being really fast on the WRC:banana:

i love it but i just hope they made a 4door version
im not too crazy about hatches yet
the front is sick!

It makes a pretty sexy love child of a Mazda and a Kia. But I'd rock one. Looks better than the WRX.

I think this thing looks sweet!!!...any idea on the engine layout?(ie turbo)claimed crank hp??

Better then I thought but still ugly, I like the aggressive 05 - 07 look more. Plus the only car that i think really looks good with 4 exhaust tips is the M5.

I dont know about you all but this first picture is the best!!!!!

I included a few others....

http://www.ashesofyou.com/Pictures/08sti/08stinla.jpg

http://www.ashesofyou.com/Pictures/08sti/08stinla%20%282%29.jpg
http://www.ashesofyou.com/Pictures/08sti/08stinla%20%283%29.jpg
http://www.ashesofyou.com/Pictures/08sti/08stinla%20%284%29.jpg
http://www.ashesofyou.com/Pictures/08sti/08stinla%20%285%29.jpg
http://www.ashesofyou.com/Pictures/08sti/08stinla%20%286%29.jpg

it looks like a speed 3 to be honest to those developers at mazda. but its hott.

I think some of the styling cues are from the current Forester. Well at least the fenders look similiar to me.






http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1511/pepesparkinglot1lg8.jpg

Based on what? It will spank your STi.

Based on the first 4 generations of the vehicle. Also, I wasn't talking about performance, sure it's incrementally 'better'. I just don't like wagons. Also a stock one is not in the same performance leauge as my car, but that's a personal attack which I'm above.

just effin' awesome. about time they did a wagon.:banana:

it looks like a weird 1 series bmw to me

interior looks niiiice, exterior not so much. its an ok looking car, but i nothing grabs me and i really dont identify with it at all like i would with all other current model subarus. if its a great performer it will have a bit of an appeal to me, but it will still be the bastard child of the subaru family.

fender and mirror signals?

The new USDM STi has 8k redline now?? or just the JDM STi with 2.0

WOW. That is plainly and simply awful. Damn, I really wanted to buy another STi when mine dies in about 100k miles or so...now, that ain't happenin'. WAY more stealth (which is nice for cops and stoplight drags) but that's the only thing I can positively comment on. This heralds the death of a beautiful vehicle.

Based on what? It will spank your STi.

What're the stats, Nate? HP, ft-lbs, weight, 0-60, 1/4 mile...forget it I'll search.

*EDIT* - Which wheels pictured come stock? The first set is god-awful.

I like it, I'd buy one if I had the $$.

The wide fenders got my sold. :)

Is there a choice where I want one but I can't afford it? LOL

Ahh I clicked I'm on the list.

wagons ftw...boo to all you wagon haters...I am planning to trade in my 02 bugeye for one of these beasts...overall, i like everything about it - exterior and interior however it looks a little round in the back...i would of made it a little sharper like the previous wagon models but that is just my opinion...how much will this thing cost with the dealer markup?

I hope this poll doesn't go to SOA..... turning it into a mazda"ish" hatch with tribeca tails def. doesn't do anything for me or any of the WRX/STi fans I know. 1st gen, they had the right idea. 2nd gen (with its different grill/headlight/scoop changes just look bad@$$. I guess I'll have to rethink the subaru customer loyalty program unless I'm able to grab one of the last remaining '07 STI's.

no, I like the old sti better.

I LOVE IT.. I've been waiting for a wagon that would perform well.. its perfect that it happens to be an STI.

I just don't like wagons..

Then call it for what it is. A hatch.


Also a stock one is not in the same performance leauge as my car, but that's a personal attack which I'm above.

Maybe, maybe not.

Stock for stock though its a better car.

STI HATCH :banana: Looks twenty times better than the new wrx! Cant wait to see it in person

When the first pictures came out, I hated it! I just bought a new pignose STI, but when I look back at when the pignose came out, I hated that as well... The more I stare at the new look the more I'm starting to like it!

I like it. The WRX was disappointingly bland, but when the WRC prototype was unveiled, I was excited about the wide-body look. I feared it wouldn't carry over to the STi, but it did! Good job, Subaru. Still, not enough of an advance to replace my (3000 lb) bugeye.

NO that **** is sooooo ugly I'm soooo glad I got my 07!

not into it at all. I think the mazda 3 looks better

Based on what? It will spank your STi.

How could you possibly know that. :rolleyes: Do you think his STi is stock? I don't think I have me another STi owner that didn't have a bunch of power and suspension mods. And I have met alot of other STi owners. What a silly and unfounded assertion.

The tail lights look rice, but overall I like it.

Then call it for what it is. A hatch.

Hey ace. SOA wants us to call it a hatch. But, it's got FOUR doors ~ guess what, that's a 'wagon'. If you want to call it a hatch, then tell SOA to make you a TWO door hatch!

I'll keep calling it a 'wagon', 'cause it is! :diaf:

I think the mazda 3 looks better

I totally disagree this statement.

Why would they make something that looked so sexy, well........ look like a Mazda?!?

WOW. That is plainly and simply awful. Damn, I really wanted to buy another STi when mine dies in about 100k miles or so...now, that ain't happenin'. WAY more stealth (which is nice for cops and stoplight drags) but that's the only thing I can positively comment on. This heralds the death of a beautiful vehicle.



What're the stats, Nate? HP, ft-lbs, weight, 0-60, 1/4 mile...forget it I'll search.

*EDIT* - Which wheels pictured come stock? The first set is god-awful.

You might consider mechanically restoring your current car. That's what I am doing based on the outlook for the brand. I am pretty satisfied. Well, that and I am almost done too. about 95% done. I almost forgot how well it drove when I bought it. Beating the hell out of it for so long had my STi on it's last legs until recently.

It looks better than the WRX, but I still don't like it. Looks like a Mazda 3, or a Kia.

Hey ace. SOA wants us to call it a hatch. But, it's got FOUR doors ~ guess what, that's a 'wagon'. If you want to call it a hatch, then tell SOA to make you a TWO door hatch!

I'll keep calling it a 'wagon', 'cause it is! :diaf:

I never thought of that. That's right technically it is a wagon. Not a hot hatch. :sadbanana:

I'm disappointed in the new body style. I really wish the STi was still in sedan form :(

(shrug) EH?



B

Better than the WRX, but still not in love.

I don’t care for it much, I am glad they decided to try the wagon, but it is too reminiscent of the Mazda 3 and the BMW Z roadster (obviously other than the 5-door configuration). I think it is a nice starting point, but when it comes to the states I think it would be better if they refine it a little. I like Sedans better. Just my opinion though...

All you people that say "omg it lookz leik a zoom zoom!!!!!11111oneoneone" need to diaf. This is worse than when the 06/07's came out and all i read was pignose.

On topic, give the USDM car the JDM options (push button start, recaro option etc.) and i would buy it. otherwise ill swap my 05 RS.

Tail lights need to go, other then that i like it.

i think it looks pretty sweet

what is that? a mazdaspeed 3?:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fantastically ugly.... just the way an STi ought to be. I likey!

needs a drop :lol:

I like everything about it..everything except the fact that its a WAGON, if they designed the new impreza to go with all the other European WRC competitors atleast make it a 2dr hatback not a station wagon...

do we even know for sure what features will be on the USDM STI? Many times we've seen JDM cars that have all these bells and whistles but when it reaches the USDM, all those gadgets are gone... Im talking about those pop up headlight washers and the smart key/push button start.

I would be more interested in this car but i feel like Subaru is just not keeping up with the times... im sure this car will get horrible fuel economy, something that could have been addressed with direct injection.... I just hope that eventually the STI will meet up with its other competition in terms of content, not that thats what matters, but it does play a role for sure. I like how it looks though.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/WRXDan2002/smily/00000008.gif

Personally, i don't really care for it, I'm sure the performance is still great, but i miss the aggressive styling

Nope, lost its edge to me. Not digg'n the hatch.

I think my stool looks better

in desperate need of aftermarket parts.

The new USDM STi has 8k redline now?? or just the JDM STi with 2.0

I'll take mine in black if it looks as pictured and comes with a 2.5 with an 8K redline. Too bad I can't afford one.

Love the fender flares and the overall hatchback design of the STI. Give us the Recaros as an option!!! :cool:

ugly as ****

It looks great in 5 door! anything else...not so much

I like it alot. :)

I like it, but I wish it was a sedan. The hatch/wagon does not appeal to me, especially the rear, even when the tails and chrome are fixed... It looks boxy and crappy in the back. Maybe a mid-waist spoiler like on the old GF8's will make it better.

I'm considering buying an 08 WRX sedan at some point and using my mad skills on it.

Well it's aesthetics are more "rally oriented" thats for sure. Personally... you can have it. As for seeing pictures on the web, I don't care for it. I guess I need to see one in person

Greg

I actually like it. HUGE improvement over the regular WRX as far as looks.

It may not look like the ordinary WRX STI as most of us are used to, but the 08's look like true rally-bred beasts.

I think it looks pretty dang good. The only thing that repulses me are those god- awful 5 spoke wheels and the tail lights. Fairly easy fix, just get the BBS wheels and get some vinyl cover like they are making now for the tail lights.

Most definately getting one in a few years.:cool:

I like it a lot too

1. Much more practical
2. Subaru designed it from a performance standpoint
3. Ricers and cops will leave you alone without that ginormous wing.
4. Subaru is more reliable than BMW :diaf:

Love that harmless look, but a :devil: inside
BTW, glad they got rid of that front fender gap from the previous years. Now you can drop the car nicely w/o killing the F/R load balance.

Looks ok but only in the STi version. I think it has a little BMW X 3 in it. Citroen look as well. I will take time to get use to. Also when sales dont look so good next year their going to scramble to change it up.

I give it a 6.8 on a 10 scale

soooo ugly

Very much So!

This is a design study on what not to do!!!! Take these pics to CCS or Art Center and ask this question.

I don't like it, it's not my cup of tea in the looks department. However, having been away from my Subaru and driving numerous rentals, I'd have to say that probably nothing else will really compare as far as it being a reliable, no-nonsense, well-handling machine. I'm happy that the STi kept the flares and some of the aggressiveness of the previous generations, but I would have liked to see a much more sporty hatch and a return to some of the Subaru WRC design cues (like the personal pizza sized fogs, more blistered flares vs. rounded flares, hodd vents, etc.). Meh, to each his own. I thought my bugeye was a departure from the previous generation, but once I drove it I fell in love. Maybe history will repeat itself, or the design will have further evolved by the time I am ready to upgrade in a few years.

if the same design were made into a sedan .. i think it would be one of the most aggressive and stylish sport sedans on the road today. the interior is a huge plus to me over past models and performance is right on key with subaru innovation, but i have to say i agree with the bulk of the group i do not believe the wagon look is good for the sti... i could also see a better rim with more and thinner spokes...

THE ONLY REALLY GOOD THING I COULD SAY IS IF YOU LINED UP THE MAZDA AGAINST THIS HANDS DOWN THE SUBARU WOULD STILL BE THE #1 CHOICE!

meh, i dig it all but the taillights.

i'm not gonna lie! i'd buy it in a heart beat! i've always kinda liked the hatch look for one. I was hesitant when i saw the new 08 wrx hatch though cuz it's ugly as hell but the sti looks meaner all around not to mention the interior is gorgeous!:banana:

http://www.ashesofyou.com/Pictures/08sti/08stinla.jpg

I don't know about you guys, but that pic sells me. Are those the stock rims? They look great.

Now that looks nice!

The 5 spoke wheels are pretty bad, the option ones should be standard. Pictures probably don't do it much justice, I can't wait to see the real deal right in front of me.
I've always been a fan of hatch's so...no complaints here.

Its better then I expected, and its starting to grow on me more.

It's growing on me. But I still don't like hatches/wagons/5-doors/whatever

meh, i dig it all but the taillights.
tail lights can be easily fixed
http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/images/COBB_08WRX_Rear.jpg

looks pretty bad A to me...

These pics make it look much better that others that were floating around, but thequestion is what specs will the US model have? Great features compensate for 'meh' looks.

Looks like a true built machine, almost like Renaults Megane. Purposely created for rally, form following function.

The way it seems is that 2 or 3 people on here comment they hate it and then one comments they like it. I like all the old generations a lot better. Interior is only thing I like about the new car.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/WRXDan2002/smily/00000008.gif


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::banana:

looks like a very very mean family wagon lol

I'm disappointed in the new body style. I really wish the STi was still in sedan form :(

I would like to see that. I cant say I really like either but I think the sedan would look nicer as a sti. After seeing both on the road I am starting to like the sedan more then the hatch. But to sum it up this is what I think of the new impreza :unamused:. The new Evo looks hot the new STI does not.

Hey ace. SOA wants us to call it a hatch. But, it's got FOUR doors ~ guess what, that's a 'wagon'. If you want to call it a hatch, then tell SOA to make you a TWO door hatch!

I'll keep calling it a 'wagon', 'cause it is! :diaf:

It's still a hatchback, all of them. I was always puzzled as to why it's been called a wagon. I've never heard VW call a 4 door Golf a wagon, how 'bout you?

black one looks like the bat-mo-bil. silver one looks like a Z3

The new STI looks way better! Much more agressive!:banana:

FUGLY. Remaining optimistic that it will look better in person.

Gross......

a souped up Ford Focus....

Subarus are ugly cars! Styling is always outdated, but I think we like them that way. IMO the new STi is UUUUGGGLY b/c its a hatch, but watch this car will grow on everyone! It looks a tiny bit better everytime I see it now. :confused:

I'm beginnning to like it more and more, just like previous Subaru models. I may look into buying one in the future, after I pay off my 04. We'll see how the aftermarket works its magic on them. I really hope this helps them out in the WRC too. I also hope it has shed some pounds in the transition to a hatch. I have always loved the everyday functionality of the WRX and STi.

Why would they make something that looked so sexy, well........ look like a Mazda?!?

I totaly agree.

I like it a lot better than the 08 impreza and am considering it for my next subie purchase. I can't wait to see the mods coming for this.

whats the opposite of a boner, i thinks it renob, remember that one girl that was sooo hot in hs but now shes a moose, well is kinda like seeing her naked

I didn't know that the focus came with a hood scoop.

(I didn't read everyone else's post, so I hope that was psudo original, if not, sorry.)

The front is too busy, too much going on with the fogs surrounds and everything, and why chrome on the grille? Chrome should never be on a performance car, ever, and the weird shape where the badge is :confused: .

I'll wait for final judgement 'till I see it in person and sit in it. I hated the pictures of the pignose, but when I saw it in person, I was a fan.

Really like it. Probably looks much better in person too...

All the test drive reports from Japan said that car looks much better in person.

Argh, where's the USDM specs!?

I like it... The fenders set it off i think. Can't wait to see this in person.

Da-Yam that looks sweet! Was that an 8000 rpm red-line in one of those pictures? Sorry but I gotta say this baby is going to be hot. Its dripping in funky Subie perfection, if you ask me.

I like it way better than the gaping-mouth-Darth-Vader-look Evo.

Could never bear to trade my bug-eye wagon or Forester for it though. . . dang, looks like one there's going to have to be three Scoobies lined up in the driveway :D

Hey ace. SOA wants us to call it a hatch. But, it's got FOUR doors ~ guess what, that's a 'wagon'. If you want to call it a hatch, then tell SOA to make you a TWO door hatch!

I'll keep calling it a 'wagon', 'cause it is! :diaf:

ORLY?

Then this is a wagon?
http://www.nextcar.com.au/rt.i.vw.golf.gti.manningpoint.05may.JPG

and this
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/942/15025036.JPG

and this
http://www.focusfanatics.com/news/images/news/2005/2005_euro_focus_zx5_001.jpg

and this
http://www.southgate.com.au/ah/07AstraCD-5DoorHatch.jpg

and this
http://www.suzuki.co.nz/auto/auto.images/pr5.800.jpg

and this
http://www.bmw1planet.co.uk/images/bmw1-series.gif

No sport, they're five door hatches.


How could you possibly know that. :rolleyes: Do you think his STi is stock? I don't think I have me another STi owner that didn't have a bunch of power and suspension mods. And I have met alot of other STi owners. What a silly and unfounded assertion.


Stock for stock though its a better car.

Fact is its a better platform. Better get used to it.

Just for fun
http://www3.sympatico.ca/mz/Nudge.jpg

Just for fun
http://www3.sympatico.ca/mz/Nudge.jpg

uh...is this suppost to be a 3d picture or something?

This thing is the ugliest looking car along with the 08 WRX I have ever seen. :unamused:

sorry, thought it'd be obvious, the one on the left is lowered

The left one is lowered.

EDIT: Wow, 3 posts at exactly 8:54pm. I lose.

It's still a hatchback, all of them. I was always puzzled as to why it's been called a wagon. I've never heard VW call a 4 door Golf a wagon, how 'bout you?

Oh, let's say for the last three decades this has been the 'rule'. Is that enough of a precedent? Pick up any Car & Driver, Autoweek, Road and Track from the 70's -90's, it's just the way it is. Like a sedan 2 door is a 'coupe' and a 4 door is a 'sedan'. A two door hatchback is a 'hatch' and a four door hatchback is a 'wagon' A manufacture can call it whatever they want, it doesn't matter. The rules have been out there for a very, very long time...

My point was don't sound like a common 'know-it-all' and flame so\meone else for calling it what it is!

although it could use some work(see aftermarket modifications) it
doesnt look half as bad as the new WRX/
impreza

It's still a hatchback, all of them. I was always puzzled as to why it's been called a wagon. I've never heard VW call a 4 door Golf a wagon, how 'bout you?

Oh, let's say for the last three decades this has been the 'rule'. Is that enough of a precedent? Pick up any Car & Driver, Autoweek, Road and Track from the 70's -90's, it's just the way it is. Like a sedan 2 door is a 'coupe' and a 4 door is a 'sedan'. A two door hatchback is a 'hatch' and a four door hatchback is a 'wagon' A manufacture can call it whatever they want, it doesn't matter. The rules have been out there for a very, very long time...

My point was don't sound like a common 'know-it-all' and flame so\meone else for calling it what it is! :unamused:

Looks like Subaru has hired the Ford SVT focus design team to design them a cute little car.....

All I can say to Subaru is this.....

Why build a car that has to grow on people for them to barely tolerate it?

Why make something that doesn't fit the market of whom you are looking to sell the car to?

It costs the same to build an ugly car as it does to build a pretty car.....

Who is the come-out-of-retirement Gm or Ford Designer who told you that no matter what you built, your loyal followers would buy it????

I have now owned a race car bugeye(now sold) and I currently own an 04 Forester XT; I will not be purchasing one of the current generation WRX cars, or the STI version of the car.


I am 29 years old and about to be a family man...

I am in the middle class as far as salary goes......


Most likely, the next vehicle I will buy is another Forester XT or a Tribeca

That is if Subaru doesn't decide to make the rest of their vehicles look like a car that came from another company 4 years ago and give it mediocre or the same performance as the previous, good-looking cars before.


So, to sum it all up:

SUBARU, please look around and see what your buyers like, not what Honda or Toyota buyers like. Subaru has the ability to be better in the ways that matter to true Subaru lovers. Just think how many cars they could sell if the standard, bottom of the line WRX had a 280hp 2.5L and a standard six speed (with no Dccd). The STI should have a 2.5L with forged factory pistons and AVCS on Intake AND Exhaust cams making at least 330hp in factory tune with an upgraded six speed with DCCD.


Why do I say such things?

Because, if the WRX had 280 hp, it would be the class leader in that market with the GTI, Mazdaspeed 3, etc. If it had a 6 speed, IT WOULDN'T break as a stock vehicle or with light mods.... hmmm.... there is a novel idea for a sporty factory car....


If the STI had 330hp and forged pistons, it would also be the class leader.... The Evo would be left behind, and seriously, who is the other competitor to the STI besides the EVO? A forged bottom end would leave it as it should have been all along, to the level where it can hold 450+whp on the stock engine. The dual AVCS will allow better mileage and EPA ratings and more horsepower over a wider powerband..





So, there you have it. I know it seems simple. If a car is a performance car, THAT IS WHAT YOUR BUYERS EXPECT FROM YOU AS A COMPANY.

I don't want to be ashamed that I own a Subaru, and I am proud to have owned my bugeye and to currently own my Forester XT, but I don't know if I am proud that the Subaru flagship is a Focus RS knockoff with the same drivetrain that has been in the car since 2004 in the US.



Rant over.....

GOOD LUCK TO SUBARU with their new "Target Market".....

try keeping up with Toyota Camry and Honda Civic for NVH and quality.....


RYNO

I think its a nice well rounded car, yet it still doesnt seem like an sti to me. sti makes me think of blue on gold and rediculous spoilers.

I am not crazy about the styling, but I wouldn't throw it out of my garage either. There is enough to like about the car that the styling wouldn't chase me away. It's not like it is offensive to look at.

coughing... ford focus... caughing:rolleyes:

well see, i thought the bugeye sucked too, then I got one!

I like the foglights better than the WRX

i love the new STi
i want to trade my sti and get tha new one when it comes out!!

Looks like Subaru has hired the Ford SVT focus design team to design them a cute little car.....

All I can say to Subaru is this.....

Why build a car that has to grow on people for them to barely tolerate it?

Why make something that doesn't fit the market of whom you are looking to sell the car to?

It costs the same to build an ugly car as it does to build a pretty car.....

Who is the come-out-of-retirement Gm or Ford Designer who told you that no matter what you built, your loyal followers would buy it????

I have now owned a race car bugeye(now sold) and I currently own an 04 Forester XT; I will not be purchasing one of the current generation WRX cars, or the STI version of the car.


I am 29 years old and about to be a family man...

I am in the middle class as far as salary goes......


Most likely, the next vehicle I will buy is another Forester XT or a Tribeca

That is if Subaru doesn't decide to make the rest of their vehicles look like a car that came from another company 4 years ago and give it mediocre or the same performance as the previous, good-looking cars before.


So, to sum it all up:

SUBARU, please look around and see what your buyers like, not what Honda or Toyota buyers like. Subaru has the ability to be better in the ways that matter to true Subaru lovers. Just think how many cars they could sell if the standard, bottom of the line WRX had a 280hp 2.5L and a standard six speed (with no Dccd). The STI should have a 2.5L with forged factory pistons and AVCS on Intake AND Exhaust cams making at least 330hp in factory tune with an upgraded six speed with DCCD.


Why do I say such things?

Because, if the WRX had 280 hp, it would be the class leader in that market with the GTI, Mazdaspeed 3, etc. If it had a 6 speed, IT WOULDN'T break as a stock vehicle or with light mods.... hmmm.... there is a novel idea for a sporty factory car....


If the STI had 330hp and forged pistons, it would also be the class leader.... The Evo would be left behind, and seriously, who is the other competitor to the STI besides the EVO? A forged bottom end would leave it as it should have been all along, to the level where it can hold 450+whp on the stock engine. The dual AVCS will allow better mileage and EPA ratings and more horsepower over a wider powerband..





So, there you have it. I know it seems simple. If a car is a performance car, THAT IS WHAT YOUR BUYERS EXPECT FROM YOU AS A COMPANY.

I don't want to be ashamed that I own a Subaru, and I am proud to have owned my bugeye and to currently own my Forester XT, but I don't know if I am proud that the Subaru flagship is a Focus RS knockoff with the same drivetrain that has been in the car since 2004 in the US.



Rant over.....

GOOD LUCK TO SUBARU with their new "Target Market".....

try keeping up with Toyota Camry and Honda Civic for NVH and quality.....


RYNO

If only things were as easy as you say huh?

I like the STI and the five door only. Not feelin the sedan.

I think the silver one looks kinda like a 4 door of the BMW M-Roadster I think its pretty hotk, but looking at the 5-door wrx out Im not too sure. Id love to see it in person

I have to admit, it is pretty hot looking in those pics. The new shape is growing on me but im not quite GaGa over it. When i see it i think Mazda or Opel or even Suzuki but not Subaru. Would like to see it in person before i decide though. Still dont know why people call it a wagon though?? Looks more like a 4dr Hatch to me. :confused:

I have to admit, it is pretty hot looking in those pics. The new shape is growing on me but im not quite GaGa over it. When i see it i think Mazda or Opel or even Suzuki but not Subaru. Would like to see it in person before i decide though. Still dont know why people call it a wagon though?? Looks more like a 4dr Hatch to me. :confused:

I have to admit, it is pretty hot looking in those pics. The new shape is growing on me but im not quite GaGa over it. When i see it i think Mazda or Opel or even Suzuki but not Subaru. Would like to see it in person before i decide though. Still dont know why people call it a wagon though?? Looks more like a 4dr Hatch to me. :confused:

Mazda.

:(

i think its nice. don't like how people are bagging on the new sti.

I like it. raise it, roll cage it, add beefy tires :D

If I had the money and if I can trade in my car I would get it.

Anyway hatch means more room for tires :banana:

Looks like it could be an M version of the BMW 1 series.
I like it and I think it will grow on me. But the it will never be the same now that its a hatch.
On the other hand I cant wait to see the WRC debut! Tired of only seeing Citroen and Ford being competive...

i think it growing on me but i dont like the look-a-like beamer

This thread does not make sense. How can you like or dislike a car without ever driving it?

This thread does not make sense. How can you like or dislike a car without ever driving it?

It obviously implies opinion on looks....

Adam and Eve really didn't pluck an apple you know?

i like the sti its different and i think after awhile people will change their opinions but at this point i already have a sti that i never drive so i think if were in the market id buy a legacy or a forester. since we wont get a sedan sti id probally want to get a 4dr sedan wrx and make it faster than a sti(sleeper). lightning red or satin white and it looks much better with the red taillights than the chrome lexus tails.

Looks? who ever wanted a Sube for the looks anyway? Although I personally like the new body style b/c it fits my 34+ yr old lifestyle well. Not that there were a lot of punks who could afford the insurance (for long anyway) on an STI, but the new WRX/STi should cut down on the rice image subes have taken on. Back to the looks, the flares kick butt and it looks like a proper current rally platform should.

It looks like a mazda 3 and the ford focus had incest and created this brain child. The interior is spectacular but the car just doesnt say subaru. You can always point out a subura in the crowd. This just looks so normal im appauled

Helluva lot better looking than the "saloon" rex...:devil:

I have to admit I like it.

If only things were as easy as you say huh?


The engineering has already been done. It is as easy as I say.... that is the funny part.... It is because everyone keeps Looking at the Emperors new clothes..... They are blind to the truth.


Subaru goons just decided that the weaksauce legacy GT /Outback XT engine with the plastic intake and plastic intercooler are the way to improved power!!! wow..... what a freaking joke.


Subaru could use the current STI 2.5L EJ257 in the WRX and detune the boost, don't paint an STI emblem on the intercooler, etc....

Use a 6 speed transmission with a standard 50/50 split non-adjustable center diff....


The dual AVCS is already on the Japanese WRX cars... check out the new engines info.....

They did forged pistons in the V7 2.0L engines and found great success with engine that could live happily at 8,000+ RPM and 450whp+ on a stock block.

There is nothing keeping them from doing forged pistons on the new STI engines.... cost is marginally a difference on the engine.... it costs approximately $250 more to a manufacturer to have forged pistons versus cast pistons....

Every Supra engine came with forged pistons, NA AND TURBO.... they didn't rattle and they can live at 750whp on the NA-TUrbo conversion and 950whp+ on the Turbo engines as stock engines....


RYNO

no really,too much like a ford focus

i had to get used to it but its grown on me a little!!!

i like it!:D

Yea...I like others didn't care much for it at first.....but after seeing it (08's in general) more and more, I'm starting to like it. It's growing on me!

I think it sweet if mine wasnt so modded I might go ahead and buy one.

I like it. I don't think it's perfect by any means, but a decent start. I'm looking forward to the evolution of it. I probably won't buy one for 1-2 more years though.

Interior is nice. Ends there.

waiting...to form an opinion until i can see one in person..

What happened to sports cars? I want a sports car! I want to look hot for the ladies.

Signed, ladies man.

IF it was a 2 door and put a WRC wing on it. it might change my opinion!

I want a base model, don't care for the navigation and all the bells and whistles. I just want it to go, stop and turn!!!! BRING A SPEC-C ALREADY!!!! You know, 13:1 steering rack.

For that matter, how about an STi Store?

http://www.ashesofyou.com/Pictures/08sti/08stinla.jpg


I like! I like! :)

Guess I'm in the minority here but I like these 5-spoke wheels better than the thin-spoke wheels.

Personally, I absolutely love it. I followed the introduction of the bug-eye when I bought my RSX back in '02. I actually thought the bug-eye was quite cool looking even though everyone seemed to hate it. Then the STI was revealed and really got me excited about Subarus. My '05 certainly wasn't a pretty car but it could never be mistaken for a girl's car like the RSX. :) What I absolutely loved about my 05 though was how it drove. Sure it had its quirks and clunks but it also had "soul" and every drive put a smile on my face. Hell, in time I even loved the wing.

With all that said, the new STI absolutely kicks ass. I don't have an aversion to hatchbacks like some weirdos here and the fact that the car has been improved is awesome. Once the new STI is released next year, I'm down to buy one. Normally I avoid first model years like the plague but this car isn't completely brand new if you think about it. The engine and tranny have been continually refined for the last 5 years and the only real "unknown" is the rear suspension. Plus, I've been hitting the track with a friend and his 04 and he has a blast with it and it drives great, even though the 05+ should technically be a better car.

So yeah, I'm in for buying one next year. The only deal breaker would be if Canada doesn't get the option for Recaros and if the stock seats suck. Other than that, it's all good. :)

this might sound wierd, but the angle of the silver sti reminds me of the new bmw z4 hardtop.

Ugly,ugly,and ugly.

Gross. Does this mean our older ones will hold more value with the tuner crowd? BTW, '06+ STILL hasn't grown on me, so I honestly don't see this one growing on me either.

Red Tails and Recaros would make me buy one. If the Midnight blue was available in the states I would be that much closer as well. At this price range I want to buy something I'm content with and dont want to modify. If I need to spend 35K+ and another few grand on mods I'm at the point I would rather just roll the dice and buy a used 993.

I like it enough that I am very seriously cancelling my planned GC build and getting one. Which is a very big deal for me.

not bad. fenders look better........new wheels are cool too i guess, but not as unique as old sti wheels imo. ah well, it should be neat to see what it can do.

I'm at the point I would rather just roll the dice and buy a used 993.

Yeah, because you won't have to drop a few grand every couple years for maintenance on that thing. :alien:

What happened to sports cars? I want a sports car! I want to look hot for the ladies.

Signed, ladies man.

Whole heartedly agree , haha.

All I see is a Hyundai-Mazda-M Coupe style VW Bug...all rolled up into an expensive package. Way-to-go Subaru!!! You !#!@#$

looks the same as the normal just a tat bit better. The chrome wheels on the sti look like pure ****!

sexy interior, but im sorry, the car just does look mean enough, comparing to the 04-07s.

eh... it could grow on me but the hatch thing is something I am just not feeling... maybe too euro?

Gross. Does this mean our older ones will hold more value with the tuner crowd? BTW, '06+ STILL hasn't grown on me, so I honestly don't see this one growing on me either.

I always get a kick out of comments like this. Your car isn't a Supra, Skyline, or some classic muscle car and will continue to depreciate, especially since the new STI will be a better car.

$35K for something that I feel like I have to talk myself into liking? Umm, no thanks.

Although, I can say the new Imprezas are much better looking in person. However, even after seeing them in person, I am still pretty bleh on the whole debacle.

wack, where is the "bring back the bugeye" option?

I prefer the look of previous sedans. Why not at least offer the sti in a sedan as well?

I like it

Sic, Love It!

ORLY?

Then this is a wagon? No sport, they're five door hatches.

Nope, they are all four door wagons...

OK... if I am so confused, what is a car with a trunk and FOUR doors? A sedan, right? So with your logic a two door with a trunk is still a sedan. Nope. Wrong.

Trunk w/4drs = Sedan
Trunk w/2drs = Coupe
Hatch w/2 drs = Hatch
Hatch w/4 drs = Wagon

Get over it. It's auto history... you can't change it. Sorry. :sadbanana:

My overall opinion of the car is great. There are a few things I would change about it though. The shape of the fender flares looks a little wierd, there is too much front overhang, and the front bumper looks a little too low key. I can't think of anything else that I dislike about it. From the back it looks absolutely kick ass.

It's really awesome for a wagon. Not so awesome for an Impreza WRX STI. :sadbanana:

Yeah, exactly.

IF it was a 2 door and put a WRC wing on it. it might change my opinion!

Yes, then we truly would have a 'hot hatch'!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

BTW ~ This is a 'hatch' STI!

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/mpurcilly/Suby%20Miscellaneous%20Post/STIPrototype-1.jpg

Get over it. It's auto history... you can't change it. Sorry. :sadbanana:

Well it must be since Car and Driver and Motor Trend said so. :lol: :lol:

My only gripes are the taillights and the fact that the wing looks like one of those flip-tops from a cardboard box...you know what I'm talking about?

But really, overall, since both of those are easy fixes...

Hell to the yes.

Eh, its ok...just really happy I bought the '06 instead.

I like it. It looks more mature. Besides for me performance is more important than looks. I prefer a humble looking fast car to an aggresive design

I am really anticipating to see it up close and personal and hopefully next year i can pick one up.

i just wish the recaro seats were standard and the 18 in rims were forged.

i was never a fan of hatchbacks with the exception of a few, but this new STI doesn't look bad, the front looks aggressive and the interior is MUCH more refined compared to the old, but since i'm not a fan of hatches i just wouldn't get one. Its nice don't get me wrong, but i was always a sedan and coupe kinda guy. I honestly think it would have been better to just do that front end with the lip on the 4 door, and have a 2 door variant.

And to the people arguing about whether its considered a wagon or a hatch, there are many 4 door hatches out there, and plus many people got mad since they canceled the wagons, so i guess you can call it what you want.

But overall, the numbers, specs, interior, front end, and overall impressions of the car for me is real nice. i just don't like the fact that its a hatch, but with a suptle drop, that red film on the tails, and a nice mesh or sport grille, it'll look good, wrx or sti.

Ugly...I won't buy one.

Sucktacularly Mazdalike.

I like the looks. I really like the idea of having lots of control over the drivetrain. My only gripe about the new STI is the same as previous models, they are so stinking heavy. It does no good to have 300hp in a vehicle that weighs 3200+lbs. Sorry but "Sporty-Tuner" Compact Cars should be under 3000lbs. Just to put this weight in perspective, most of those "crossover/car-ute/mini-suv" things range between 3200-3700lbs and some have anywhere from 190-upper 200hp. Someone please put these cars on a diet or give them more muscle. Rant over.

I like the New STI but i wouldnt buy one based on what information we have seen so far. I would consider the new STI if the price was 32k and it has atleast 320hp .

First pics I thought "eh, not so much" but in the 2.4 sec it took for me to get to the later ones it grew on me and now I like it. I would LOVE to see a sedan version with similar styling cues. Now then, let's get some specs!

I like how the impreza sti looks. For one, It appears that they have achieved an almost european appearance. I like the new facia and sides of the sti but the back still needs to be reverted back to the sedan or coupe look. The hatch just doesnt do it for me. I am sure that many agree that the new sti looks fantastic. I hope that subaru will put more effort with listening to our opinions of the enthusiasts instead of the statistics and sales reps. The new sti is coming1 Only time will tell if it is a flop or a success.

Why...why....why

STi What?

This is not a rally car at all...

Very disappointed

I like how the impreza sti looks. For one, It appears that they have achieved an almost european appearance. I like the new facia and sides of the sti but the back still needs to be reverted back to the sedan or coupe look. The hatch just doesnt do it for me. I am sure that many agree that the new sti looks fantastic. I hope that subaru will put more effort with listening to our opinions of the enthusiasts instead of the statistics and sales reps. The new sti is coming1 Only time will tell if it is a flop or a success.

Don't be blaming the salesmen ~ we are in the same boat with you and most of us drive the Impreza's we love (out of 10 salesmen @ our dealership 8 drive Imprezas). SOA is on there own on this new design push ~ sink or swim.

Like the looks, hatch more functional.

Based on what? It will spank your STi.


How So?? hahaha

I hope this poll doesn't go to SOA..... turning it into a mazda"ish" hatch with tribeca tails def. doesn't do anything for me or any of the WRX/STi fans I know. 1st gen, they had the right idea. 2nd gen (with its different grill/headlight/scoop changes just look bad@$$. I guess I'll have to rethink the subaru customer loyalty program unless I'm able to grab one of the last remaining '07 STI's.


i believe the point of a front page crediting is so that it does get a large amount of responses and SOA can judge how their current enthusiasts like their decisions.

Me? I love it.

Drop the stupid tails, add an option for a slightly bigger wing, delete the silver peice in the grill and you have yourself a really mean machine. I will seriously be considering a 2nd gen hatch STi to replace my 05 if i am still in my "boy racer" mood when its available.

Personally, I love the 2005 STi design the best among all the STi versions that have made it to our shores. The 04 and 05's were the models I fell in love with. However, it cannot be argued that this is the most sophisticated interior Subaru has ever put into an Impreza. Seeing as this car is much more functional (ie. folding seats and extra cargo room to name a couple) it is an easy sell for me, and I will be buying one around May or June. I think Subaru have done an incredible job with this car and although we all nit-pick about something, I'm sure it will be a real treat. I just can't wait until we get final word about what exactly is/isn't coming to the U.S. Until then, I speculate and wait patiently.

Whenever I see an older WRX or STI there is no mistaking what it is.

The 08's have lost that in the new styling, now its just another hatch that blends in with all the other hatches out there.

I am disapointed that JDM options will not come to our side of the pond.

When I test drove the 08 WRX it felt soft and had lost that hard edge appeal that my 06 WRX has.

I will be test driving the new Evo X and STI and will decide then.

I only hope the new 08 STI performs better in the WRC as these past two years have been very disapointing for me as a Subie fan.

The front doesn't look too bad. But the rear really bothers me.

they look ok but i think my grandma would like it, the sti went down hill ever since the 2005 version the 06-07 werent bad except the dual wing and the new grill and front bumber:banana:

FTW !!! I dont care what anyone else really thinks - it's gonna MOVE :)

Black / Gold with black windows and some red tails. Done.

i think SOA will love this large array of opinions. i think its only a matter of time. i remember how so many people HATED the bugeyes when they came out and now the bugeye's are loved by many if not all. people thought that about my pignose and now everyone thinks it looks good.

but for me, and many will disagree but


(06-07) > (02-03) > (92-01) > (08-?) > (04-05)


^Thats just where i'm at right now i used to love bugeye's the most, but to each their own. subaru's have never been the best on looks, it was only the true subaru fans that really appreciated the looks, i'm sure this new hatch will chime in and grow on us soon enough.

And as long as the dam car performs, its doesn't need to look like a work of art.
And to the guy who compared the sti to a bmw. lol its sort of in the subaru's favor since it's being stacked up to a bmw. Yea the 135i is going to be fast, but honestly its oddly placed in bmw's lineup, if you look at it, its a friggin shrunken 335i. its a midgit 2 door :lol: . i'm not a fan of the looks, but for 35k its a dam good bargain.

I think it looks nasty, similar to an M3 with the body style and the dual exhaust.

Personally, I bought the '05 because when I saw the '06 i freaked out due to the weird looking nose. Now i'm kinda growing to like it, but still not quite there. It seems all the non Subaru people I know prefer the '04/05 styling to the rest. It's not to say it's pretty, but of all the choices the '04/05 came out on top.

I like the 02/03 after they have the koji style headlights and other exterior work. Stock, Im not liking.
The '06/07 took some while to get used to. When I first saw it, i thought it was grotesque, but now it looks meaner when compared to the '08s and '02/03
The '08 STI is growing on me but wont be on my list. I like the side flares/lines. The rear needs to ditch the chrome and altezza lights. It's been overdone on Hondas and IS300s.
Front needs some work to make it look more aggressive (possibly remove the chrome and removed the curve lines at the nose). The direction they took will not make heads move. People won't realize it's an STI until they look directly in the front or look at the little emblem at the back. That's one thing I will miss with the upcoming styling.

As far as styling is concerned my list goes:

98/01 > 04/05 > 06/07 > 08 > 02/03

The car should perform well. It is Subaru of America's cream of the crop after all.

the new STI is growing on me, i want one

Tom

i think i dropped something in my toilet about 10 minutes ago that looks better. just hope it's performance overcomes its uglyness.

eh, not really diggin' the new look. :(

The 2008 WRX was aesthetic disappointment in every sense of the word.

The 2008 STI not only redeems Subaru's hatchback design, but goes so far as to justify it.

sorry but the rims on the silver car look like they came off of a mazda

2008 STI ?????
just look back at the impreza P1 special edition,
or the RB320,
this was what impreza all about, BOLD AND AGGRESIVE.
not like this weeny hatchback.
maybe it looks nice to a hatchback,and has a very nice interior with all that SI Drive stuff and all that control,
but its not an impreza :(
F**k this s**t man.

not too agressive like the older models , on the older models , you can tell from a distance that an Impreza is coming , but on this 08 , it can be mistaken , for a Mazda , Honda even a Kia .

2008 STI ????? But, its not an impreza :(
F**k this s**t man.

Come on ~ don't sugar coat it! Admit it it's "Very Nice"!

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/mpurcilly/Misc%20GIFs/verynice.gif,

i think its ok but i just got an 07 sti and i just prefer the body style i have to that

ehhh...I dont like it. I'm still going to continue with my 02 going back to stock partout and stick to the plan... getting an 07 STi :cool:

This is what I did for the hell of it on photoshop all half ass and think what would be badass if created.

Clean or not clean?? Or even worst ?

-Sedan '08 STi
-A little bit bigger wheels (19's ??) :lol:

Before:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/mrrallysti/08stinla.jpg

After!:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/mrrallysti/08stinlacopy.jpg

lol NW OBS !!
but for real,,
its way too far from the real impreza

After!:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/mrrallysti/08stinlacopy.jpg
this is a horror movie !!!

this is a horror movie !!!

lol....whhhhhhhhat the hell did you just say ? "NW OBS !!"???? Call me retarded, but man I have got to keep up with these acronyms :sadbanana:

I'll comment when it wins the WRC title....:devil:

I bet if they made it a wide body cupe with only two doors they wouldn't be able to keep any Impreza in stock.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h115/newyorkreload/Subaru/22b/22b-1.jpg

ehhh...I dont like it. I'm still going to continue with my 02 going back to stock partout and stick to the plan... getting an 07 STi :cool:

This is what I did for the hell of it on photoshop all half ass and think what would be badass if created.

Clean or not clean?? Or even worst ?

-Sedan '08 STi
-A little bit bigger wheels (19's ??) :lol:

Before:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/mrrallysti/08stinla.jpg

After!:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/mrrallysti/08stinlacopy.jpg


Nice try, I think it would look better then the hatch. They should have made the sedan into the new STI or give us a choice.

The front grill looks bad. The chrome makes it look cheap, like something GM would do to a car to give it "Bling", as if a bling is even cool to someone under 30 years old these days.
Likewise the chrome at the rear, the taillights looks bad, like the old cheesy "Altezza" aftermarket lights that guys used to put on their Honda Civics about 6 years ago.

When I see it from the side, i think that I'm looking at a mazda 3, and when I see it from the rear I think I'm looking at a Ford Focus. Sometimes it even reminds me of a *gagging* Corolla!!

I know that the design is to make the car better for WRC but it really doesn't appeal to me anymore.... I'll go with the Evo instead if we could get it in canada.

Also, Subaru if you read this, why the hell are your cars more expensive in Canada when our dollar is at $1.05 vs the US? Gimme a break!!!

I love the hood with the integrated scoop
And if it was a 3 door rather than a 5 door, I would be falling in LOVE :devil:

lol NW OBS !!
but for real,,
its way too far from the real impreza

Yep. I nose it ~ but what the hell, eh?

I bet if they made it a wide body cupe with only two doors they wouldn't be able to keep any Impreza in stock.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h115/newyorkreload/Subaru/22b/22b-1.jpg

Amen. A 2001 coupe with a STI swap is the best Subaru Subaru NEVER made. This will probably be my next and last Subie ~

will there be a sedan in the future? i hope subaru changes the styling to something GOOD in 2 years.

will there be a sedan in the future? i hope subaru changes the styling to something GOOD in 2 years.

If SOA can admit defeat with the Tribeca in two short years, then there is hope with the 2010 Impreza!!! SOA ~ Step up to the plate and make it happen... Pleeeeez! :sadbanana:

will there be a sedan in the future? i hope subaru changes the styling to something GOOD in 2 years.

The future is now, but only in America

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/11/wrx08_01.jpg
http://forum.avtoindex.com/foto/data/media/71/08_Impreza_WRX_4-Door_34.jpg

It's the 2-door coupe that they won't make.

i wantone. ultimate rally style. rear tail lights suck though.

it looks like a Mazda 3 sorta..but uglierish?

stupidest car ive ever seen how does that look better than the previouse ones.. seriously.

I really dig the interior for the new STi's. I think this looks MUCH better than the 08 WRX, but I would pick my 04 STi over it for sure

Exterior, gross! Looks like a SVT Focus. :disco:

Interior, GEORGOUS! :D

**** chrome!!! us fat americans with our wide seats, and love for chrome.......makes me sick. the rest is ok;)

I know that the design is to make the car better for WRC but it really doesn't appeal to me anymore.... I'll go with the Evo instead if we could get it in canada.

Also, Subaru if you read this, why the hell are your cars more expensive in Canada when our dollar is at $1.05 vs the US? Gimme a break!!!

I dont know about you guys out west but here in Ontario we are just getting the new evo in the showrooms and as for your second comment I couldnt agree more. For crying out loud I dont have 35000 to spend on a WRX or 50000 to get a STI. WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY over priced :furious:

Obviously, I'll need to drive both cars before signing, but at this point I'm leaning towards the Evo X GSR.

I could care less about the STI's looks -- it's the high cowl and lousy seats that bug me the most.

Not to mention the fact that the USDM STI will have a 6700rpm redline: combine that with 6 short forward gears and you're going to be very busy shifting.

Im not a fan of the new bodystyle. Up until the '08 model when you saw an sti on the street it could only be one thing...a subaru wrx sti. I have seen a few 08 wrx's on the streets and have second guessed myself as to if they were subarus or toyotas or something else. I respect subaru for trying to do something new, but they shouldn't have followed so closely to what other cars body styles are starting to look like...im just glad i have an '07 wrx...

I think it is off the hook, people need to realize that change is good and that cars are progressing, so with that note im a big fan and cant wait to see some aftermarket parts!!!!! If only japan got the hatch, then everyone over here would want it.....

I'm not digging the Mazda Speed3 vibe. I saw the new WRX hatch right next to a Speed3 and was extremely surprised how similar they looked. I'll have to see a new STI in person to decide my final verdict - it's not too bad in black.

I am a fan of the new WRX sedan though! Saw one in my town about two months ago, and despite the initial 'oh another Hyundai' reaction (yeah, sorry!), and it's a lot slicker than I thought it might be.

I'll stick with my '04 though. ;)

That's one Burly Mazda....AAAA++++

Nope, they are all four door wagons...

OK... if I am so confused, what is a car with a trunk and FOUR doors? A sedan, right? So with your logic a two door with a trunk is still a sedan. Nope. Wrong.

Trunk w/4drs = Sedan
Trunk w/2drs = Coupe
Hatch w/2 drs = Hatch
Hatch w/4 drs = Wagon

Get over it. It's auto history... you can't change it. Sorry. :sadbanana:

if it's "auto history" you failed the class.

sedan and coupe are old words (i.e. before your time) refering to the window/roof structure of the car. a sedan has a C pillar, a coupe does not.

and since you WILL argue cause you're smarter than everyone else, google "2 door sedan". much to your amazment, there will be results! OMFG!

and since i DONT know it all, here's my guess at wagon v hatch.
wagon = apreciable(sp?) distance between C and D pillar
hatch = very short distance between them.

why? because older wagons had enough room for a third row of (sometimes rewards facing) seats. hatches traditionally leave you with 1 foot give or take of room behind the rear seats.

I'll keep my modded Legacy GT WAGON untill the STI is not castrated from the JDM version. Smart key might be includded on the 2010 as SOA has never shown that they can leave a car the same from one year to the other.:sadbanana:

That or they give me a good deal as close to cost as possible in which case I'd take one!

Hey, everyone has a price!:p

Awful.

I'd have to say my $550 a month is going somewhere else, this just isn't $35,000 worth of cool to me.

Amen. A 2001 coupe with a STI swap is the best Subaru Subaru NEVER made. This will probably be my next and last Subie ~

x2 FTW

$35K????? Nice, but not that nice! I would like to see a 4 door version.