View Full Version : fs: HKS electronic boost controller(cheap)
Riddle 12-23-2007, 09:35 PM I have had this sitting in my room for about 6 months now and
I really want to get rid of it. It was 700 brand new. It works great and has everything it came with including the instruction manual. I would like to sell it for 325 plus shipping. Pm me for offers or call me at 9168421711, my name is Tyler and I live in sacramento.
WRXPCT04 12-26-2007, 09:08 PM Pics? model? something?
DaveSlow 12-29-2007, 06:40 PM I'll take it. Just give me some pics and consider it sold.
DaveSlow 01-15-2008, 11:09 PM SELLER SOLD ME BROKEN BOOST CONTROLLER THAT WAS NOT PACKED. IT WAS JUST THROWN IN A BAG AND SENT TO ME. HE NOW WON'T REFUND AND IS DODGING MY EFFORTS TO CONTACT HIM VIA PHONE. HE TEXTS ME SAYING HE WANTS HKS TO FIX IT EVEN THOUGH IT'S CLEARLY NOT A WARRANTY ISSUE.
AVOID THIS SELLER AT ALL COSTS. :mad::mad:
DaveSlow 01-15-2008, 11:17 PM Seller ships the boost controller via a bag and does not wrap any of its components to protect it from shock. Does not work and WILL NOT refund even when I said I would ship it back. Says "this is the risk we take when we make exchanges on nasioc". Seller wants HKS to fix it implying warranty claim. PER HKS site, they charge 120 just to examine any electronic. Seller says he will "pay for it" but I have yet to see any money or any real form of communication. Dodges my phone calls when I call immediately after he sends me a text.
Paypal also will not reverse the funds because its TOS states:
Our investigation into your claim is complete. As stated in our User
Agreement, the claims process only applies to the shipment of goods. It
does not apply to complaints about the attributes or quality of goods
received. Therefore, we are unable to reverse this transaction or issue a
refund.
An inspection fee will be charged for all products sent to HKS for inspection and found to be in proper working order or malfunctioning due to cause other than manufacturing defect:
* Electronics $120.00
* Non-electronic $70.00
By this logic, you can sell an item, smash it with a hammer and ship it to the buyer and paypal will not do anything about it.
DO NOT buy from this guy OR use paypal ever again.
i3igpete 01-15-2008, 11:59 PM I have a member sales rating of 61 on 3si.org with the same username. Admins/Mods: Feel free to PM me on that forum to confirm.
I can vouch that item was shipped very poorly, and may have already been broken before being sold. requesting mods to add his name/address/phone/email/etc to the scammer list.
DaveSlow 01-16-2008, 12:02 AM Pics of the ****ty packing are here!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/DaveSlow/EVC/IMGP0670.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/DaveSlow/EVC/IMGP0668.jpg
Notice all of the small holes that are on the packaging on the last picture. The parts inside were NOT individually wrapped. They were just thrown inside and left to break. You can see from both sides of the package that it was not labeled fragile so therefore USPS had no reason not to toss this around. UNACCEPTABLE.
DaveSlow 01-16-2008, 12:13 AM His name is
Tyler Stubblefield
Email Address: flywrxone@hotmail.com
Address: below
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/DaveSlow/EVC/IMGP0671.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/DaveSlow/EVC/IMGP0673-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/DaveSlow/EVC/IMGP0672.jpg
i3igpete 01-16-2008, 12:28 AM address is confirmed; his father (George Stubblefield) runs "Stubblefield Chiropractic Office" at two addresses, one of which match the envelope.
Office Phone: 916-853-1200
UniqueTII 01-16-2008, 05:24 AM It's not his dad's fault. Maybe you should show a little more class than the scammer and leave his dad's business out of this.
DaveSlow 01-16-2008, 07:32 AM Nothing wrong in asking his dad to help
06STIGO13 01-16-2008, 07:50 AM Nothing wrong in asking his dad to help
Agreed... let his daddy know what Jr. is up to. I've actually had to do that, contact parents about a bad dealing with some dumb kid, and in the end the parents paid me back... probably made Jr. pay them back! GL to you.
Leonardo 01-16-2008, 09:31 AM Moved to Scammer Central forum.
Also, I agree with the above post, specially when it was the SELLER that brought his dad into it by using his dads addy!!!
Good Luck and I'll help with what I can!
i3igpete 01-16-2008, 10:09 AM rancho cordova police department
Non-Emergency (Need Officer Response)
916-362-5115
To File a Report
916-875-9602
Detectives and Problem Oriented Policing
916-875-9638
Sacramento county sheriff:
Non-emergencies
916-874-5115
DaveSlow 01-16-2008, 10:13 AM I will allow the seller to have some more time to respond to this. If he does not contact me as he said he would and continues to dodge my phone calls then I will have no choice but to file with local authorities.
UniqueTII 01-16-2008, 10:25 AM Nothing wrong in asking his dad to help
There's a big difference between asking the dad for help and posting his number on the forum.
DaveSlow 01-16-2008, 10:28 AM Public information.
http://www.google.com/search?q=stubblefield+rancho+cordova+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Search of Stubblefield and his town came up with this information as the first link.
Leonardo 01-16-2008, 12:29 PM Yeah, nothing is "private" nowadays!
.John 01-16-2008, 01:48 PM There's a big difference between asking the dad for help and posting his number on the forum.
someone did something pretty sh**ty and it isnt DaveSlow. The guy clearly deserves a refund from the seller. If the seller doesn't answer, then getting a hold of his father is an option. Maybe dad can get his son's attention.
kboparai1 01-16-2008, 02:03 PM yess i agree as well! im glad you are able to put some force/pressure on this kid, some people dont even get that much info to try and get back at the person! good luck man
DaveSlow 01-16-2008, 02:14 PM This is a text I got yesterday from him when I asked for a refund by leaving him a voice mail.
"Sorry, no refund, I will pay to have HKS fix it though. This is the risk we take when we make exchanges online. Please send video of it not working".
His incompetence should not be my problem. He packed it poorly and so he should be the one who should have to go deal with it. I paid for something and expected to get it as described "It works great". Also as stated earlier, HKS charges $120 just to examine any electronic. Parts + labor + inspection fee can easily add up over the price of 300. Clearly an attempt to dodge me and the situation.
Given this situation. I Don't want to deal with any other 3rd party over the item. That is not my responsibility. It WAS his responsibility to pack it safely. If this was his only shipping option then he should been intelligent enough to buy insurance on the package.
DaveSlow 01-16-2008, 02:15 PM Oh yea, I will be making a video soon demonstrating that it doesn't control boost and that I constantly get wastegate boost.
DaveSlow 01-16-2008, 07:02 PM So I called HKS today to speak with their tech rep and get a price quote on a new stepper motor since it seems like it's the only part that is failing. The part alone is 325 dollars and they also no longer carry it since it's an outdated model. Also I asked if the other older evc motors were compatible and they are not.
Looks like this unit is completely useless to me now. Tyler has also not responded to any of my attempts to contact him today. I will be contacting his parents and the local police department and filing for internet fraud.
carbonwrxfiber 01-16-2008, 11:33 PM Thats The Way To Go Man, Call The Police And File The Report.
DaveSlow 01-17-2008, 12:52 AM Made more attempts to call him. It rang numerous times and went to voicemail. I made a few attempts all in a row just to see what would happen. He turns off his phone after a few tries as it goes straight to voicemail.
DaveSlow 01-17-2008, 12:57 AM Also, I called the father's number and apparently they moved locations years ago. The new business owners were kind enough to give me their new number.
916-788-2929. I called and confirmed that it is their business. Does anyone else have any experience with local pd from out of state assisting? It seems as if this guys intention is to scam and now fall of the face of the earth.
STI_COP 01-17-2008, 11:58 AM Bump for more info!
DaveSlow 01-17-2008, 12:02 PM If anyone knows of any other procedure that I can take or has any other methods of finding more indepth information on this kid please speak up.
DaveSlow 01-17-2008, 02:18 PM Well it's not looking so hot. I called the local PD to file a report and they told me they don't deal with internet fraud and directed me to the State attorney general. I called and left a message but I looked on their site and they tell people to go file a complaint on ic3.gov I already filed there so I think in the end this kid may really have found a loop hole and took my money. I still still contact the parents and see if they are willing to help.
Wind25RS 01-17-2008, 03:23 PM Why would you contact the feds before the kids parents? Best practice in settling cases is party vs party rather then having someone else get involved. Not only do you waste more time before coming to a solution but then you waste the time of Officers and Officials. Just my two cents but I think you should have contacted the parents from the start. Then if they are no help then the feds.
DaveSlow 01-17-2008, 03:24 PM Thing is the guy is 25. His parents have no legal obligation to help their kid since he's of age. So thats why I tried to inquire with officials first.
DaveSlow 01-17-2008, 03:50 PM Update. Spoke with the father and he is very willing to help. Hopefully Tyler agrees to a solution to this that fits both of our satisfaction.
DaveSlow 01-30-2008, 12:50 AM Update.
He stated that he would refund a maximum of 150 because he claims that it was no ones fault so we should both lose out. I don't think this is the case. If it was broken before hand he would be at fault. If it broke during shipping it would be his fault as well. Either situation should net me my refund as I did nothing wrong. I swapped out the stepper motor alone for a known working one and low and behold it works.
I think I will let the forum members be the judge of who's at fault and how much I should get back out of this one.
EvoSpeed 01-31-2008, 07:22 PM I work for a bank and have handled CC claims of ALL TYPES for the past 5 years.
These are reasons for which your CC company can return a charge on your bill. These are all rules from Mastercard and VISA international.
"Non receipt of goods/services"
"Goods not as described"
If paypal cant help you still have rights under VISA and Mastercard Dispute Resolution Chargeback Rules and Regulations. Contact your bank and tell them you want them to process a chargeback on this item. You will be credited provisionally for 90-120 days while VISA and MASTERCARD give time to the merchant's bank (in this case the sammers bank) to show proof that your cahrgeback attempt is invalid.
If they are unable to provide proof that you received what was advertised (this is where it can get into he/said she said) VISA and MASTERCARD will let your bank keep the money. If the other bank contests the chargeback but supplies inadequete proof that you are in the wrong, it may have to go to arbitration in the worst of situations if enough money is involved. In that case a VISA or MC arbitration team would decide who gets the money.
Leonardo 01-31-2008, 08:14 PM That would work!!!
ADAS1223 01-31-2008, 09:57 PM ^^ thats what i do when i got scammed
DaveSlow 01-31-2008, 11:04 PM The biggest problem is that it was paid through paypal via my bank account, not my credit card. I made the mistake and I don't think Chase would go through as much hassle as if I paid through paypal via credit.
EvoSpeed 02-01-2008, 11:31 AM The biggest problem is that it was paid through paypal via my bank account, not my credit card. I made the mistake and I don't think Chase would go through as much hassle as if I paid through paypal via credit.
Ahhhh, so you didnt use a debit card linked to your bank account? Thats the best way to go because then you are governed by VISA or MC rules still (whatever your bank uses for debit cards) which are based on Federal Regulation "E" governing electronic transactions. The rules for debit cards are mostly the same when it comes to disputes as credit cards.
Instead, you entered your bank acct and routing number and the transactions processed from paypal are "ACH" (Automatic Clearing House I believe) transactions. ACH trans are governed under different Federal Regulations aka "NACHA". I forget what it stands for but disputing an ACH trans is TOTALLY diff and you dont have the same kind of rights are far as disputing it when you gave paypal your info voluntarily in agreement with any/all of their policies. You may be liable for a lot more. I never worked ACH but thats what i remember from working side by side with them in Fraud.
Research "NACHA" and ACH for more info on your rights. Hope this helps.
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