I am very pleased with this unique and interesting '05 STI I just tuned for Broadway Performance who did an amazing job of crafting the engine bay and suspension which really impressed me

The mods were

'05 STI
Cosworth Short Block - stock crank
Stock heads and cams
Magnus Intake Manifold (with slight crack / leak in weld)
3" Exhuast with cobb stealth muffler
Buschur Racing mini battery kit
Perrin FMIC and FMIC pipes
Perrin Inlet hose
Perrin modified injectors
FP Green turbo 2.5 " inlet
Walbro Fuel Pump
HKS EVC V
Aquamist HFS 5
Ecutek custom tuned by Dyno Flash

This car ran pump gas 100% with the meth at 26 psi of boost peak

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/DynoFlash_Evo_8/05sti001.jpg

The engine bay was very nicely done with a lot of pride and crafstmanship.

Also - it was the best handling STI I have driven with stock struts but every Perrin Bushing sway bar and under brace you can buy it was glued to the road - very amazing to drive

Kudos to Broadway Performance for a great job

Al

PS - the FP Green remains my favorite turbo for a street driven car hard to beat its combination of fast spool - quick response between shifts and great power at moderate boost levels
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/DynoFlash_Evo_8/05sti002.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/DynoFlash_Evo_8/05sti003.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/DynoFlash_Evo_8/05sti004.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/DynoFlash_Evo_8/05sti006.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/DynoFlash_Evo_8/05sti007.jpg

We have a video on my video channel on You Tube do not want to post it here as it involved some very extreme high speed road driving at red line in 6th gear

His YouTube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/Dynoflash

^^^^ hahahaha

Impressive torque.

You should of did a pull on the ICS dyno showed the graph, then do a pull on the pruven dyno and showed the graph. That would probably shut a lot of people up, imho

LMAO at AL! Thats awsome!
Good Job!

So how is Magnus going to handle this?

hahaha i love fish man..
awesome video

Very nice, the car sounds good

Tom

how can someone buy a $1000 intake manifold and get the 2.4" inlet on the green :(

Thats not impressive at all considering your vf39 shop car makes 500 ft*lbs at around the same boost

how can someone buy a $1000 intake manifold and get the 2.4" inlet on the green :(

Thats not impressive at all considering your vf39 shop car makes 500 ft*lbs at around the same boost

Keep in mind I did not sell, install or select any of these parts. My job is just to tune what comes in the door.

On the same note, this car` was certainly not tuned anywhere near the maximum potential as it is primarily a road racing car and there was a lot left on the table power wise to make sure the engine and tune were totally safe.

Its hard to make comparisions against our shop cars as they are all tuned to the 100% limit of what we can squeeze.

I was certainly very pleased with how the car ran and its a very quick car on the road.

my main thrust in tuning a highly modified car like this one is to assure that the car retains as close to stock like driveability, idle and reliability as possible while making as much reliable power as I feel is prudent - by those criteria this car was a complete success

I would not think that the $1,000 intake manifold did anything in this case for power production - expect create major install headaches according to the tech who installed it and have a minor boost leak through a porus weld.

AL

Al you're the man. My car gets all moist just wishing you would make sweet tuning love with it

great tuning and nice video AL. keep them coming!

Holy tq batman!

keep the videos coming al

So this is a flywheel graph correct?

nope, 26 psi w/ greens is very comparable to gt35 power levels.

nope, 26 psi w/ greens is very comparable to gt35 power levels.

nope, thats about 100hp and 100 ft*lbs higher than any other green on the planet.......just dyno #'s

no tuner has a secret sauce thats gonna make a green be superpowered...

The car will run low to mid 11's.

Al , I love your videos; keep them coming and 'THANKYOU'.

nope, thats about 100hp and 100 ft*lbs higher than any other green on the planet.......just dyno #'s

no tuner has a secret sauce thats gonna make a green be superpowered...

The car will run low to mid 11's.

450 whp on a green is typical. Mid 11's is expected. My sti made 560 whp on the stock engine and went 11.1.

What makes this green car special to me is that its done on pump gas. Just a nice running car with nice low end power. Al

So why would anyone want this green when you can tune a stock turbo sti with 497wtq and 360whp?

Anyway, nice job once again!

is the 05STi a 2.0L in the us???

Is this car a 2.0 or a 2.5?

450 whp on a green is typical. Mid 11's is expected. My sti made 560 whp on the stock engine and went 11.1.

What makes this green car special to me is that its done on pump gas. Just a nice running car with nice low end power. Al

In my opinion that car is in no shape or form running on 'pump' gas. It's meth injected therefore it is more like 110 octane which isn't typical pump gas.

By my definition pump gas is 93,91,87 octane with 'NO' additives or power adders like meth/alky/nitrous/etc.

is the 05STi a 2.0L in the us???

Is this car a 2.0 or a 2.5?

2.5:o:o:o

^^ it's a 2.5 in the US

So why would anyone want this green when you can tune a stock turbo sti with 497wtq and 360whp?

Anyway, nice job once again!

The VF39 #s are only peak #'s and it will have no top end.

450 whp on a green is typical. Mid 11's is expected. My sti made 560 whp on the stock engine and went 11.1.

What makes this green car special to me is that its done on pump gas. Just a nice running car with nice low end power. Al
Am I the only want that sees something wrong with that? 560whp to go 11.1?
:rolleyes:

I'm guessing Al has to be a decent driver since he's been drag racing for years, so how does a 560whp STI driven by an experienced driver not get into the 10's?

Inflated dyno numbers? Just asking.:p

^^ maybe inflated #'s, but al isn't necessarily the lightest human on earth. 75lbs could make that difference could it not?

Al you got a boost curve and AFR for that puppy?
Ta

Am I the only want that sees something wrong with that? 560whp to go 11.1?
:rolleyes:

I'm guessing Al has to be a decent driver since he's been drag racing for years, so how does a 560whp STI driven by an experienced driver not get into the 10's?

Inflated dyno numbers? Just asking.:p


+1

i spoke to FP the turbocharger is rated at 500hp FLYWHEEL. I love the fact that he makes 500 at the wheels. ROFL LOL!

So why would anyone want this green when you can tune a stock turbo sti with 497wtq and 360whp?

Anyway, nice job once again!

While on the left side of the curve the stock turbo is capable of loads of low end power, on the high rpms region it simply runs out of steam while the green can keep pulling to red line with nearly 120 more whp ar 7,000 rpms

That is why the green can get down a drag strip quicker

Peak power is important but the area under the curve is more important in how the car drives and feels and how fast it is

Al

I am selling a bridge if someone wants to buy it. Its a nice bridge and was just painted.

Clark

^ Typical AZSnotty response.

+1

i spoke to FP the turbocharger is rated at 500hp FLYWHEEL. I love the fact that he makes 500 at the wheels. ROFL LOL!

If you look on the FP web site you will find that on the Subaru Green Turbo page they have posted this dyno sheet as being representative of the power capacity of the green turbo

http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/graphics/00000001/graphs_full/Green78PowerVTorque.jpg

http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/graphics/00000001/graphs_full/Green78PowerVTorque.jpg


http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTWRXFPGREEN&Category_Code=WRX-Turbo

It should be noted that the Dyno Dynamics "shoot out mode" graphs are amung the lowest reading dyno sheets you can find. The "Shoot Out" mode is without any correction or comensation. Clearly if the TURBO can make 470 whp on a Dyno Dynamics in "Shootout Mode" it can exceed 500 whp on a dyno jet.

Since my customer's car only made 450 whp and FP is showing 470 plus as the turbo's capacity - it all seems to make sense to me

If you look at the dyno sheet I posted the TQ is 515 and the whp is 450

This is well within the range of power we have made with the FP green many times - nothing new

^ Typical AZSnotty response.

It seems some tuners would rather spend their time attacking the work of fellow tuners than showing their own work. To each his / her own. ;)

^^ maybe inflated #'s, but al isn't necessarily the lightest human on earth. 75lbs could make that difference could it not?

Just for your reference

When I made 564 WHP - I went to another dyno the same day I went 11.1 and we made within 2 whp on the other dyno - 562 to be exact

All of this was covered in depth in the previous thread from several months ago

Here we go again:rolleyes:

Nice numbers Al - videos and customers speak for them selves

awesome numbers al, that car looks like its fun as hell to drive

how can someone buy a $1000 intake manifold and get the 2.4" inlet on the green :(

Thats not impressive at all considering your vf39 shop car makes 500 ft*lbs at around the same boost


This turbo has a full 3inch intake with the VSV's removed, to clear up some information for the rest of this board! Thanks for your concerns though.

BTW, this is John Nouri, owner of Broadway Performance. We're very happy to have had Al Dynoflash tune our STI with ECUTECH. He is truely second to none in this game. He spent an insane amount of time, patience, and energy to make sure everything was 100% MINT before this particular STI left his grasp at ICS! He also had tons of patience with me as this is avery good friend/client car of mine. I am insanely particular with how I need my cars worked on, especially when it's not in my power and under MY roof. I always felt comfortable with Al handling the tune. I love the fact he finishes tuning the cars on the street to make sure they react properly.

Now to the car. The owner has never spared a cent when it came to building this car. The first thing this guy had me do when I met him and the car was stock was remove the tires from the wheels, strip the factory paint, and rePOWDERCOAT them. Reason being becasue the factory puts the wheel weights on the outside of the wheels and it looked horrible. After this I knew how the owner thinks. He is a perfectionist.

From the entire Perrin suspension catalog to the Cosworth shortlblock, everything is installed and setup with precision and perfection. The car drives like it's on rails after the custom wheel alignment. There are tons of mods not listed by Al in the main post, but you guys get the idea. This is also the FIRST fully built STI we have built here at Broadway. We mainly specialize in Supra/Viper/Vette/and better. However, Al has made me a beleiver that these little STI's can deliver such an insane punch on pump gas/meth. The torque delivery after a quick gear change is litterally unmatched by even a C6 ZO6 with heads and cam making 600rwhp. I think it's the short Suby gearing that makes it feel so lethal after a quick gear change. The Vette would pull it up top, but from a dig this little blue bomb would be up front till at least 130-140mph.

Thanks again to AL and I highly recomend him to anyone who needs any tuning help!!!!!!!

John Nouri
Broadway-Performance.com

Brake horsepower (bhp) is the measure of an engine's horsepower without the loss in power caused by the gearbox, generator, differential, water pump, and other auxiliary components such as alternator, power steering, and AC compressor. Thus the prefix "brake" refers to where the power is measured: at the engine's output shaft, as on an engine dynamometer.

If thats supposed to be whp, they need to change it. Most Greens i have seen on race gas on most dynos are 380-400whp


http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/graphics/00000001/graphs_full/Green78PowerVTorque.jpg

Shame you had to go 145 on the freeway to tune this car...

Shame you had to go 145 on the freeway to tune this car...

i agree

And the Perrin Inlet didn't collapse??!!? BTW great numbers. So it is possible with the FP Green to reach 450whp. Green FTW!

Shame you had to go 145 on the freeway to tune this car...
yeah WTF that STI should be good for 165 +:lol:

yeah WTF that STI should be good for 165 +:lol:

I agree with this one also...LOL

Upon further driving just now with the owner, I dont think we're going to do the 35R setup this spring. We could care less about another 50whp and whatever torque, and it's obviously going to hold the torque/HP higher throughout the RPM band with the 35R. But we dont want to hurt the spool. Hopefully some super new variable compressor wheel turbo, (like the Porsche) comes out and we can have all the power and keep the same spool. :)

The Perrin intake hose does not colapse as we were watching it on the dyno.

In the meantime we have all 4 carbon fiber doors, hood, trunklid, DYmag carbon fiber wheels with Victoracers to take hopefully 200lbs out of the car. Parts are ready to go on as soon as the weather gets bad enough to take the car off the road for a few weeks. We're not sure on final weights, but hoping to get sub 3000lbs without driver. We will also find out if it's worth it to remove the power locks/windows in exchange for manual. If the weight isn't worth it, then we will stay as is. The car will absolutely keep power steering/AC/etc to remain 100% STREET worthy. Carbon body parts will be installed and painted and adjusted to LOOK LIKE STOCK. We will rework the carbon as far as we have to, to make sure all gaps and the feel are as close to stock as possible.

I will be sure to update this thread with track numbers to prove the numbers to some of the non-beleivers. I have personally driven MANY cars from 300whp to 1300whp. I know the difference between a 400whp STI and 450+ WHP STI. The car actually made more power than the 450awhp. More fuel and a touch of boost was added during the street tune, after the dyno, which brought injector duty cycle UP, with the same air/fuel. Either way this car will get dyno'd again come spring time to verify everything is still MINT for a trouble free fun filled summer for our client. :)

Thanks for reading.

^You've got it all wrong. If Al's FPGreen whp output is 450whp, then it wouldn't be a 50whp gain on a 35R... it'd likely be a 150whp gain. Probably still run in the 11's though. :p

Then you could take another video of redlining 6th gear on a public highway.

Grow up people.

Good work Al. :D

nice work! can't wait till your done with my car.

Upon further driving just now with the owner, I dont think we're going to do the 35R setup this spring. We could care less about another 50whp and whatever torque, and it's obviously going to hold the torque/HP higher throughout the RPM band with the 35R.
Thanks for reading.


:lol:

49lb/min vs 65lb/min

that's more than 50whp. :lol:







Anyone want to guess the amount of timing that this car is running? Or the AFR?

the thing is you cant magically run more timing on one setup vice another unless you turn off all the knock correction

the thing is you cant magically run more timing on one setup vice another unless you turn off all the knock correction

But the water/meth adds an INCREDIBLE amount of knock resistance. Al just adds uber amount of boost, then uber amount of timing and gets uber amount of torque. :lol:

Oh brother..

I know how much timing he is running. I know what the AFR is. I know how much the dyno was turned up.

Al, You have no idea what shootout mode is and its options.

Clark

What was the AFR about during the session?

Whats the max boost you think this turbo can do without going boom real fast?

Great numbers and mad props on great tuner skill btw.

Oh brother..

I know how much timing he is running. I know what the AFR is. I know how much the dyno was turned up.

Al, You have no idea what shootout mode is and its options.

Clark

Clark - the dyno was not "turned up" - its a dyno jet dyno there are not adjustments

Al

fight fight fight !!!!!!

al great work yet again bro... very nice sti high numbers for a green!

Oh brother..

I know how much timing he is running. I know what the AFR is. I know how much the dyno was turned up.

Al, You have no idea what shootout mode is and its options.

Clark

What is with this guy anyway? Someone knock that chip off his shoulder...


Glad to see some more good results from Al, and a good attitude despite all the haters.

Nice clean car and good looking curves. Good tune Al, even if the numbers are grossly overinflated. But that's dynojet for ya :)

If you look on the FP web site you will find that on the Subaru Green Turbo page they have posted this dyno sheet as being representative of the power capacity of the green turbo

http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/graphics/00000001/graphs_full/Green78PowerVTorque.jpg

http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/graphics/00000001/graphs_full/Green78PowerVTorque.jpg


http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTWRXFPGREEN&Category_Code=WRX-Turbo

It should be noted that the Dyno Dynamics "shoot out mode" graphs are amung the lowest reading dyno sheets you can find. The "Shoot Out" mode is without any correction or comensation. Clearly if the TURBO can make 470 whp on a Dyno Dynamics in "Shootout Mode" it can exceed 500 whp on a dyno jet.

Since my customer's car only made 450 whp and FP is showing 470 plus as the turbo's capacity - it all seems to make sense to me

If you look at the dyno sheet I posted the TQ is 515 and the whp is 450

This is well within the range of power we have made with the FP green many times - nothing new
Just to clarify the above graph is FLYWHEEL power not WHP.

Engine is 2.0L on 94 Octane running circa 29psi at peak torque, 25psi at peak power.

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This is getting silly

al great numbers you seem like a very cool guy lol. why so much hate in here?

hey al what maf housing were you using,the volt limit must of been close??


dave

forget the haters, good job with the tune. looks like a very well built car, and from that video it seems like its very fast on the street

Just to clarify the above graph is FLYWHEEL power not WHP.

Engine is 2.0L on 94 Octane running circa 29psi at peak torque, 25psi at peak power.

This is true. Shootout mode does have no correction factors. But it gives you and estimated BHP of the car.

Once again a nice looking graph from Dynoflash. But once again is uncorrected (which would be fine in the summer but not in the winter).

But that note aside I've seen Greens powered STi running a little above 450WHP on C16 and 123-124 trap speeds. Just for comparison on the same dyno a well built 35R STi put down 610WHP and 137 trap speeds. I would pick a 35R over a Green especially with the kind of gearing our cars have.

So how is this car making somewhere around 50 hp more than typical results from green/meth setups tuned by numerous others of the best tuners in the country? That just doesn't seem to add up. It's only a 49 lb/min turbo. That should be 500 crank, max. And you got 450 wheel?

Also, why don't the HP and torque cross at 5252 rpm? Clearly there's a LARGE correction factor in place.

Brake horsepower (bhp) is the measure of an engine's horsepower without the loss in power caused by the gearbox, generator, differential, water pump, and other auxiliary components such as alternator, power steering, and AC compressor. Thus the prefix "brake" refers to where the power is measured: at the engine's output shaft, as on an engine dynamometer.

If thats supposed to be whp, they need to change it. Most Greens i have seen on race gas on most dynos are 380-400whp

Shootout Mode on DD is approximate flywheel hp!!!

Exatly!!! At least Joey1313 knows what he is talking about.

You guys will realize whats going on with these posts one day. You can only do this type of thing for so long. I come off like an A hole sometimes but I feel I need to call it like I see it.

hey al what maf housing were you using,the volt limit must of been close??


dave

Perin Big MAf

Indeed the only thing which prevented us from making more power is the limitation of the maf as it was neat 4.9 volts

Al

Exatly!!! At least Joey1313 knows what he is talking about.

You guys will realize whats going on with these posts one day. You can only do this type of thing for so long. I come off like an A hole sometimes but I feel I need to call it like I see it.

You remind me of a politican. Like Hilary Clinton or Obama you choose to spend time attacking your compeditor. You think this makes you look good becuase you are cvalling it as you see it or what ever that means.

The reality is that we can take this customer's car to any one of several dynos in the area and easily duplicate the power number I have represented.

Rather than lurking on here like a toxic / negative pest why dont you just focus on showing us all the great work that you are doing ?

Its easy to cast negative comments about someone else's work. Takes little effort.

Al

Shootout Mode on DD is approximate flywheel hp!!!

It is most entertaining to me when people on the inernet cite facts and others accept that as the truth

In any event - the "Shoot Out Mode" of dyno dymanics dynos is a proprietary feature and can be made to show the WHP OR the "extimated flywheel power" The dyno operator sets the option

Look at this data :

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Shootout mode allows you to display both est flywheel power or wheel power.

In your case wheel power is displayed on both graphs.
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the purpose of shootout mode is so no one can alter the correction factors so everyone looking at the graphs can actually compare power numbers.

When you select a particular mode (ex shoot 8f) it automatically sets up a certain ramp rate and inertia setting for that run and it can't be changed.
It also locks the dyno from certain features so the user can't alter settings that can affect power readings.

Shootout mode can also display estimated flywheel power and torque.



The legend of which kind of power is being displayed are as follows

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If you look at the upper corners of the graph you will see what parameter is being graphed.


HP --- wheel power.

f_Hp --- flywheel power..

FtLb - torque

f_FtLb - flywheel torque




So it appears that the dyno sheet in question was of a flywheel figure - but on the very strict "shoot out mode" which really renders its use in comparision to a dyno jet value very suspect

For more data on Shoot out mode - please read the following :


Chances are, many of you from around the automotive industry have already heard of the ShootOut system when dyno tuning cars. Dyno Dynamics, the manufacturer of Australia’s leading dynamometer brand, has for many years been considered the benchmark for both accuracy and repeatability. Now, after 4 years of effort (not to mention a substantial financial investment), they have just ‘upped the stakes’ - Dyno Dynamics has developed a system that is set to become the industry standard for power comparison. The system is called ShootOut, it is being utilised by a network of accredited Dyno Dynamics equipped workshops across Australia and will soon be available to all customers worldwide.

The ShootOut mode system is not just a hardware or software upgrade – it is a standardised approach to power measurement, designed to ensure that you can take your car to any accredited workshop and get accurate power measurements for your car. The results will be the same regardless of which ShootOut mode accredited workshop you select. This also means that results from different cars, measured on different dynos can be compared much more accurately which opens a lot of insight to power readings.

ShootOut was developed by Dyno Dynamics primarily to eliminate "Operator Technique" and as a tool for measuring horsepower accurately and CONSISTENTLY for ALL Dyno Dynamics dynos with Shootout accreditation. All dynos with Shootout accreditation have been calibrated the same accross the board, and should not vary more than 1% when comparing between Dyno Dynamics dynos.

Ethical standards
All ShootOut workshops must abide by a code of practice. When a company gets its ShootOut accreditation, it is only leasing the right to use the ShootOut mode and the ShootOut logos on the dynos, which are bgasically the physical and interlectual property of Dyno Dynamics. We are bound by a contractual agreement which is renewed on a yearly basis with very strict guidelines and procedures whenever we use the ShootOut logos on printed dyno graphs. If a company does not adhere to these guidelines, and decides to employ "Operator Techniques" and manipulate the ShootOut process, Dyno Dynamics will issue the company with a warning. After 3 warnings, the company loses their ShootOut Accreditation. Dyno Dynamics expect Dyno Operators to be honest and follow the required procedures in accordance with the ShootOut Agreement between the operator and Dyno Dynamics.

Proof of integrity
1. All ShootOut graph runs must be supervised by an accredited ShootOut scrutineer.
2. When the Shootineer is confident that the run has been performed to Dyno Dynamics’ ShootOut standards, the approved ShootOut logo will be added to the graph.
3. Test conditions and other data is printed on the lower edge of the graph as further evidence of accuracy.
4. When the graph is printed, the Shootineer will apply the official ShootOut stamp and personally sign it.
5. As final proof, the customer is provided with a checklist to verify that all steps in vehicle preparation for the test have been carried out correctly.

Whether you are planning on attending a ‘head to head’ dyno day, or want your vehicle tested to verify the effects of a performance enhancement – A Dyno Dynamics ShootOut accredited workshop will determine the figures accurately, time after time, regardless of location.

The XSpeed Performance Centre, located at 18 Zeta Crescent O'Connor WA, is a ShootOut accreddited workshop. Feel free to contact us to see what services we can provide for you.

Holy Carp! 11.5:1 AFR with water/meth!

interesting....

You guys will realize whats going on with these posts one day. You can only do this type of thing for so long. I come off like an A hole sometimes but I feel I need to call it like I see it.

Careful Clark... you might get threatened with legal actions ;)

The reality is that we can take this customer's car to any one of several dynos in the area and easily duplicate the power number I have represented.


This I would like to see. I know where there's a dyno day :p

Careful Clark... you might get threatened with legal actions ;)

How is your case coming along?

*Edit* ;)

This I would like to see. I know where there's a dyno day :p

As would I...

Im not trying to bust balls AL, but all of your dyno #'s have looked grossly over inflated lately. No offense, but I find it hard to believe that you are the only tuner capable of making these #'s with a green and meth. Not to mention the VF-39 making over 400wtq

If you make similar #'s on another local dynojet, I would gladly eat my words

hey AL


AMR is having a dyno day. I WILL PAY THE $25.00 this sunday for you to dyno the car and show the public how much you are full of it and swallow your own words. That is if you are not scared?

ill pay for another car too, hell line em all up....

Hopefully he'll go back over to evom for the rest of the day....they LOVE him over there.

I would like to see that car dynoed at AMR also.. Stock stis put down 200-210 whp and ft lbs...

Hopefully he'll go back over to evom for the rest of the day....they LOVE him over there.



HAHAHAHAHAHA

I would like to see that car dynoed at AMR also.. Stock stis put down 200-210 whp and ft lbs...

+1

I bet that car does not make over 350

As would I...

Im not trying to bust balls AL, but all of your dyno #'s have looked grossly over inflated lately. No offense, but I find it hard to believe that you are the only tuner capable of making these #'s with a green and meth. Not to mention the VF-39 making over 400wtq

If you make similar #'s on another local dynojet, I would gladly eat my words
My 06 Vf39 and meth put down 370WTQ on PDX mustang with 50/50 meth

A few points that the same few of you seem to gloss over and forget each time

#1 - A dyno is a tuning tool. It is silly to compare results from one dyno to another as they all read differently. The true function of a dyno is to measure gains or losses fropm tuning adjustments and parts changes to aide in the creation of proper ecu mapping. I don't race dynos -I race cars. With that said a Dyno Jet is an industry standard tuning tool and is universally recognized as the most widely accepted bench mark of performance in the US tuning scene. I would expect the car to make nearly identical power on any dyno jet dyno. Some other brand of dynos may read lower or higher depending opn how the dyno user calibrates the dyno.

#2 - The customer has already chimed in this thread and appears to be very happy with the tuning I have done and how the car runs which is the main criteria by which I work - customer satisfaction. The car is already delivered to the customer and the customer is free to go to what ever dyno they want and do what ever they want with their car.

#3 - If any one wants to race which is how I tell if a car is fast or slow they can come by my shop any time and we can line up what you brung with what we have sitting about and we can see who's car is faster. I will even put it on video. be warned however I have some very fast cars in my shop (unlike the other so called expert tuners that are chiming in here) and you better have a 9 second capable car iof you expect to have any chance what so ever.

#4 - The last time these same so called expert tuners complained about my dyno claims - I took my car down to another dyno jet 424 X dyno and made within 2 whp of what I was making on our dyno - 564 whp. After that - any my running 11.0 at the track the same day these talking heads shut up for a few months but it appears they are comming back for more abuse. I will make sure to very carefully document and verify my next FP Green car which co-incidentally I will be tuning this weekend - (how convienient). That car previously made 460 so it will be interesting to see what kind of power it makes with the addition of Agency Power 272 cams.

Al

When is all this going to end? When we have plots of 400 or even 500hp on 300 hp turbos? THis is ridiculous...

C

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A few points that the same few of you seem to gloss over and forget each time

#1 - A dyno is a tuning tool. It is silly to compare results from one dyno to another as they all read differently. The true function of a dyno is to measure gains or losses fropm tuning adjustments and parts changes to aide in the creation of proper ecu mapping. I don't race dynos -I race cars. With that said a Dyno Jet is an industry standard tuning tool and is universally recognized as the most widely accepted bench mark of performance in the US tuning scene. I would expect the car to make nearly identical power on any dyno jet dyno. Some other brand of dynos may read lower or higher depending opn how the dyno user calibrates the dyno.

#2 - The customer has already chimed in this thread and appears to be very happy with the tuning I have done and how the car runs which is the main criteria by which I work - customer satisfaction. The car is already delivered to the customer and the customer is free to go to what ever dyno they want and do what ever they want with their car.

#3 - If any one wants to race which is how I tell if a car is fast or slow they can come by my shop any time and we can line up what you brung with what we have sitting about and we can see who's car is faster. I will even put it on video. be warned however I have some very fast cars in my shop (unlike the other so called expert tuners that are chiming in here) and you better have a 9 second capable car iof you expect to have any chance what so ever.

#4 - The last time these same so called expert tuners complained about my dyno claims - I took my car down to another dyno jet 424 X dyno and made within 2 whp of what I was making on our dyno - 564 whp. After that - any my running 11.0 at the track the same day these talking heads shut up for a few months but it appears they are comming back for more abuse. I will make sure to very carefully document and verify my next FP Green car which co-incidentally I will be tuning this weekend - (how convienient). That car previously made 460 so it will be interesting to see what kind of power it makes with the addition of Agency Power 272 cams.

Al

STREETRACING :banana: wait a minute ...:furious::mad:


:unamused:

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You and Big Al can come down any day.....Bring your 9second rides with you..we have a track across the street...i'll pay the entry fees for every car you bring down...in other words...BRING IT.

Forget your streetracin in a schoolzone....How do you time those races? By how fast you can eat a dble whopper with cheese? I hear your record is 9.84 seconds.

You and Big Al can come down any day.....Bring your 9second rides with you..we have a track across the street...i'll pay the entry fees for every car you bring down...in other words...BRING IT
I do lovve the up front attitude - :devil:

Im an interested spectator who loves to see the drama unfold - unfortunatly my 'ride' is a 12 sec car, but if you guys ever track race / time attack etc, then sure Id love to take part. Ize got a few hours under my belt.:D
Hell Ill even race for a few beers and a good Indian curry..............
L8r

#3 - If any one wants to race which is how I tell if a car is fast or slow they can come by my shop any time and we can line up what you brung with what we have sitting about and we can see who's car is faster. I will even put it on video. be warned however I have some very fast cars in my shop (unlike the other so called expert tuners that are chiming in here) and you better have a 9 second capable car iof you expect to have any chance what so ever.

Street racing?!?!? What are you like 10 years old!?!?! :rolleyes: It's because of people like you that "kids" think its cool to street race. TAKE IT TO THE TRACK!!!!! Also, if I were you I'd stop racing on State Street, I95 and 7...those a public roads which are heavily travelled and you can kill someone. Also, I think the police would have a good time with your videos on youtube.

Classic.........if anyone wants to lose their licence, car and/or life (and/or kill someone else) stop by "Al's Shop" :lol: You might want to clarify since ICS is NOT your shop.

Street Racorz Unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A few points that the same few of you seem to gloss over and forget each time

#1 - I would expect the car to make nearly identical power on any dyno jet dyno.
Al

what would that prove? it should with their super duper copyrighted shootout mode...

IMO 560whp is a little much to run low 11's.

most others do it ~450whp.

you are right, a dyno is a tool and the #'s dont mean squat, so when i see #'s from dynojets i subtract 100 so they make sense to me.

thats pretty much what everyone is trying to figure out here. most people know the dyno #'s dont mean squat, but they are looking for someway to compare cars from the dynojets you tune on to other dynos.

I believe my formula works well. dynojet = -100 off everything

then your car would be 460whp running low 11's and this car would be 350whp running mid 11's. sounds right to me.

FIRST WE GET THIS:

The reality is that we can take this customer's car to any one of several dynos in the area and easily duplicate the power number I have represented.
Al


SO THEN WE SAY:
This I would like to see. I know where there's a dyno day :p

As would I...

Im not trying to bust balls AL, but all of your dyno #'s have looked grossly over inflated lately. No offense, but I find it hard to believe that you are the only tuner capable of making these #'s with a green and meth. Not to mention the VF-39 making over 400wtq


hey AL


AMR is having a dyno day. I WILL PAY THE $25.00 this sunday for you to dyno the car and show the public how much you are full of it and swallow your own words. That is if you are not scared?

ill pay for another car too, hell line em all up....


AND "AL" BEING FULL OF BS AS USUAL REPLIES:


#1 - A dyno is a tuning tool. It is silly to compare results from one dyno to another as they all read differently. The true function of a dyno is to measure gains or losses fropm tuning adjustments and parts changes to aide in the creation of proper ecu mapping. I don't race dynos -I race cars. With that said a Dyno Jet is an industry standard tuning tool and is universally recognized as the most widely accepted bench mark of performance in the US tuning scene. I would expect the car to make nearly identical power on any dyno jet dyno. Some other brand of dynos may read lower or higher depending opn how the dyno user calibrates the dyno.

Al


so basically he does not put money where is mouth is. and on a side note AL
your 560hp went 11.0 is BS. it doesnt matter on your ET that doesnt show your POWER your MPH does and you went 11.33 @ 122.93! i never seen the video of your "11.0" or proof of that.

PS: CLARK
---WAY TO HIT IT ON THE HEAD WITH THE INFLATION!

#1 - A dyno is a tuning tool. It is silly to compare results from one dyno to another as they all read differently. The true function of a dyno is to measure gains or losses fropm tuning adjustments and parts changes to aide in the creation of proper ecu mapping. I don't race dynos -I race cars. With that said a Dyno Jet is an industry standard tuning tool and is universally recognized as the most widely accepted bench mark of performance in the US tuning scene. I would expect the car to make nearly identical power on any dyno jet dyno. Some other brand of dynos may read lower or higher depending opn how the dyno user calibrates the dyno.

That's all well and good, but we don't know what these "gains" were. What was the baseline? If it's just a "tuning tool" as you pass it off as (now), then why even post power figures, or title the thread with "massive 515 TQ"? How about "Massive ____ TQ gain over stock" etc. Y'know, something that CAN be proven?

you are right, a dyno is a tool and the #'s dont mean squat, so when i see #'s from dynojets i subtract 100 so they make sense to me.

I believe my formula works well. dynojet = -100 off everything


Not every single dynojet. There are some dynojet that for whatever reason... read a little lower than others. For example the dynojet that we use in PR. Stock STi 225-230WHP. From what I've seen the dynojet on P & L reads a little lower too. 565WHP on our dynojet will get you 131-133 trap speeds on a STi.

Dynojets that read pretty high? well ICS from what I've seen reads high and it will keep doing so as long as AL's keep putting uncorrected numbers in the winter. Another one that reads pretty high is AMS dynojet, sorry stock 04-07 sti's don't put down 255-265WHP. There last chart here is uncorrected also (hmm it's that a trend?). What else oh yeah TOP SPEED sorry for whatever reason it reads high. Maybe the elevation (about 1000 ASL) is playing with the numbers. And like that there is a few, especially the one at elevation that overcorrect when using SAE. That's why you don't see 150+ traps from those 800WHP cars. ;)

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What's classic is how sucked into Al's BS you are. :p

#3 - If any one wants to race which is how I tell if a car is fast or slow they can come by my shop any time and we can line up what you brung with what we have sitting about and we can see who's car is faster. I will even put it on video. be warned however I have some very fast cars in my shop (unlike the other so called expert tuners that are chiming in here) and you better have a 9 second capable car iof you expect to have any chance what so ever.
Sorry, but the point of that completely escapes me. Any clown can throw big ass power parts onto a car, get a tune, and run low numbers. It's just money.

What everyone is on your case about is your horrible videos, and the fact that your "industry standard" numbers don't equate at all compared to the standard numbers we normally see produced from the exact same turbos. Don't kid yourself - your super high numbers don't mean you're a better tuner. I'm sure you have very good tuning skills, as does Clark and Vaus. But that doesn't mean you have the highest HP/TQ readings for all turbos that you tune.

ps. "Brung"?? :lol:

[quote=squashman;20873984]What's classic is how sucked into Al's BS you are. :p ]
I admit it I want to shag Al while he shouts stop it bro

:lol::lol:

Peace to all

All this talk reminds me of a video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdXHBi4wHi8

^^^^AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

I love that video!

That video is hilarious!!! 10.5 bro!!!!! 12.2 at 116mph? LOL LOL LOL

Welcome to 2002:

11.82@117 1.603 7.33@98 Turbo / NOS WRX - 2002 Clark Turner 2002-10-01 Speedworld MotorPlex

One of these days I'm going to photoshop a dyno chart showing some unbelievable numbers, along with a fake mods list (the usual suspects, green, 20g, gt49, etc.. + all else) and see just how many people post responses supporting my claims, even if they are beyond all logic.

That video is hilarious!!! 10.5 bro!!!!! 12.2 at 116mph? LOL LOL LOL

Welcome to 2002:

11.82@117 1.603 7.33@98 Turbo / NOS WRX - 2002 Clark Turner 2002-10-01 Speedworld MotorPlex

You sir were always one step behind me back then

11.883@124.2 1.860 7.796@92.25 Turbo/Nitrous WRX - 2002 Allan Friedman 2002-09-14 Beaver Springs Dragway

only difference is that now you are 10 steps behind

Al

One of these days I'm going to photoshop a dyno chart showing some unbelievable numbers, along with a fake mods list (the usual suspects, green, 20g, gt49, etc.. + all else) and see just how many people post responses supporting my claims, even if they are beyond all logic.

If you are suggesting that I fabricate dyno sheets you are very mistaken

Al

Not every single dynojet. There are some dynojet that for whatever reason... read a little lower than others. For example the dynojet that we use in PR. Stock STi 225-230WHP. From what I've seen the dynojet on P & L reads a little lower too. 565WHP on our dynojet will get you 131-133 trap speeds on a STi.

Dynojets that read pretty high? well ICS from what I've seen reads high and it will keep doing so as long as AL's keep putting uncorrected numbers in the winter. Another one that reads pretty high is AMS dynojet, sorry stock 04-07 sti's don't put down 255-265WHP. There last chart here is uncorrected also (hmm it's that a trend?). What else oh yeah TOP SPEED sorry for whatever reason it reads high. Maybe the elevation (about 1000 ASL) is playing with the numbers. And like that there is a few, especially the one at elevation that overcorrect when using SAE. That's why you don't see 150+ traps from those 800WHP cars. ;)

We use the uncorrected figures as I beleive that the standard corrections are not useful for turbo charged cars - there is data on this which I will post later.

Of course our turbo cars do make a lot more power in single digit winter temps than on 95 degree days

Al

Inflated dyno numbers FTL :(

You sir were always one step behind me back then

11.883@124.2 1.860 7.796@92.25 Turbo/Nitrous WRX - 2002 Allan Friedman 2002-09-14 Beaver Springs Dragway

only difference is that now you are 10 steps behind

Al

I went faster.. and I had a stock WRX. You had a JDM Drivetrain and a GT30R! By the way Al. Who was on the phone with you when you made that pass back in 02?

I have a Dynochart of a car that was done by Al and then dyno tested at another shop. I dont have a way to post it. If someone could email me and host it I will send it off.

CLark

I am curious why a car with heads, cams, intake manifold, etc would drop sooooooo much TQ over the RPM band. What an incredible disappointment this car must be to drive. The build up to the 4300 rpm peak TQ an then a rapidly dropping acceleration rate all the way to redline. I bet the best quarter mile times would be gotten by shifting at 5500 - 6000 rpms.

Does anybody make cams that can keep TQ till redline????

If you are suggesting that I fabricate dyno sheets you are very mistaken

Al

Nope, not at all. I'm suggesting that some people will believe anything. At what point do you question yourself? What would you need to see? 600hp? 700hp? 1000hp? At what point would you ask yourself that things aren't adding up? Or would you post that you're the first tuner to break 1000whp on a vf39?

al's tune vs normal tune (on behalf of clark)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/phatron/Albro.jpg

I am curious why a car with heads, cams, intake manifold, etc would drop sooooooo much TQ over the RPM band. What an incredible disappointment this car must be to drive. The build up to the 4300 rpm peak TQ an then a rapidly dropping acceleration rate all the way to redline. I bet the best quarter mile times would be gotten by shifting at 5500 - 6000 rpms.

Does anybody make cams that can keep TQ till redline????

9sec. There are many cams out there for these engines. Most subaru engines will make peak power around 6000 to 6500 rpm. In my years of tuning these engines I have only had a handfull that actualy made good power at 8000 rpm. The entire platform was intended to produce power in a broad fashion and its very difficult to engineer around that.Head work, cams, valves, intake and exhaust manifold need to be altered and or changed to really get the power peak up in the rpm range.

The other reason is lack of oiling. These engines will not live when RPMs go much past 7500. There are upgraded pumps and things you can do to combat this but still.. 8000 is a real limit.

The reason you are seeing the power drop so far on this car is because the turbo housings are choke flowed. They are small so the turbo can bolt to the stock location. As a result top end really suffers. This is why I always suggest a Rotated mount turbo setup when going above a 20G or Green. You gain the 4 inch inlet to the compressor, Larger IC pipes are possible and the turbine can how have a 3 inch or larger exit.

Cya

Clark

9sec. There are many cams out there for these engines. Most subaru engines will make peak power around 6000 to 6500 rpm. In my years of tuning these engines I have only had a handfull that actualy made good power at 8000 rpm. The entire platform was intended to produce power in a broad fashion and its very difficult to engineer around that.Head work, cams, valves, intake and exhaust manifold need to be altered and or changed to really get the power peak up in the rpm range.

The other reason is lack of oiling. These engines will not live when RPMs go much past 7500. There are upgraded pumps and things you can do to combat this but still.. 8000 is a real limit.

The reason you are seeing the power drop so far on this car is because the turbo housings are choke flowed. They are small so the turbo can bolt to the stock location. As a result top end really suffers. This is why I always suggest a Rotated mount turbo setup when going above a 20G or Green. You gain the 4 inch inlet to the compressor, Larger IC pipes are possible and the turbine can how have a 3 inch or larger exit.

Cya

Clark

I appreciate the insightful response. It seems a lot like fighting a losing battle with the EJ motor. I would cry if my TQ dropped 200 lbs from peak to redline..... even more if it did it over a 2000 rpm span. Could you possibly point me in the direction of some dyno charts for an EJ that has holds TQ longer?

I appreciate the insightful response. It seems a lot like fighting a losing battle with the EJ motor. I would cry if my TQ dropped 200 lbs from peak to redline..... even more if it did it over a 2000 rpm span. Could you possibly point me in the direction of some dyno charts for an EJ that has holds TQ longer?

Yeah. I dont keep them. There are alot posted if you search. I retune the AVCS cam system. I can normaly get them to drop 100ft lbs or less. I tend to tune for equal hp and trq so the engine is smooth revs smooth under load. On smaller turbo setups I push trq a bit. For example my 07 sti stg2 file makes 340 to 360 trq and 300 to 320whp. Otherwise I try to keep trq and hp equal.

Clark

I am curious why a car with heads, cams, intake manifold, etc would drop sooooooo much TQ over the RPM band. What an incredible disappointment this car must be to drive. The build up to the 4300 rpm peak TQ an then a rapidly dropping acceleration rate all the way to redline. I bet the best quarter mile times would be gotten by shifting at 5500 - 6000 rpms.

Does anybody make cams that can keep TQ till redline????

To clarify your observations

This car has stock heads and cams

It does have the magnus intake - but I am not sure how that was effecting the power band - if at all beyond the leak in the weld

While the TQ does drop due to the small turbine housing - it is still making significantly more than a stock turbo would at 7,000

I actually enjoyed driving it and did not feel like the power band was unpleasant at all - we have video of how the car runs through the power band and it seemed to pull strong

Nope, not at all. I'm suggesting that some people will believe anything. At what point do you question yourself? What would you need to see? 600hp? 700hp? 1000hp? At what point would you ask yourself that things aren't adding up? Or would you post that you're the first tuner to break 1000whp on a vf39?

I dont question myself to think that a FP Green equiped Subaru can make 450 whp on a dyno jet dyno with a large shot of alcohol and a cosworth short block and head studs. We have done this many times and its the kind of power I would expect.

Note - the pull was done at another shop - Pruven - as our dyno was down for two days this week - after street tuning the car. If I had sat on the dyno and tweaked the tune more it could have made more power.

I am going to ask the customer to bring the car back to me so I can tune it to the edge on our dyno and then I will have the car trailered off our dyno to another dyno to compare the numbers.

In the meantime - I have another FP green equiped Subaru on the que for dyno testing later this weekend with the same Aquamist kit - an Axis short block and QSC Cams and mild porting. It will be interesting to see how that car fares and maybe we will dyno that one on anyother dyno also for the heck of it.

It should be noted that the vast majoriety of dyno tuning I do is with the customer present and I take videos of almost everything I do - hardly an opportunity to photoshop the results.

I've was tuned on a Dyno pack this pat summer then went down the road about 100ft to the other local shop and paid to do a couple of pulls for comparison. Numbers matched! Never been on a dyno dynamics or a mustang dyno, but I will say that Pruven dyno is spot on!

Here is a comparative car done on our dyno jet with similar mods

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/DynoFlash_Evo_8/fpgreen.jpg

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1402838&highlight=race+gas+dyno

This kind of power is nothing unsual for a FP green with alchy for me

I am frankly suprized to hear all this suprized nonsense as I expect a car with those mods to make 450 whp

Dont forget pump gas with an Aquamist kit is equivalent to race gas

Al

To clarify your observations

This car has stock heads and cams

It does have the magnus intake - but I am not sure how that was effecting the power band - if at all beyond the leak in the weld

While the TQ does drop due to the small turbine housing - it is still making significantly more than a stock turbo would at 7,000

I actually enjoyed driving it and did not feel like the power band was unpleasant at all - we have video of how the car runs through the power band and it seemed to pull strong

I was mistaken. You are correct about the heads and cams. I had been looking at a bunch of different dyno charts for different cars and mixed them up a bit.

I guess I am just a little confused with the dyno charts I see here. They remind of mid 80s cars with a huge kick in the pants at low rpms and then nothing up top. You would think with technology and mods, the performance would be getting better. By the looks of the dyno chart, this car would be accelerating HALF as hard at 7000 rpms than it was at 4000 rpms.

I was mistaken. You are correct about the heads and cams. I had been looking at a bunch of different dyno charts for different cars and mixed them up a bit.

I guess I am just a little confused with the dyno charts I see here. They remind of mid 80s cars with a huge kick in the pants at low rpms and then nothing up top. You would think with technology and mods, the performance would be getting better. By the looks of the dyno chart, this car would be accelerating HALF as hard at 7000 rpms than it was at 4000 rpms.

Its interesting to note that the car that is the subject of this thread and the additional dyno chart I just posted wind up with very similar TQ and whp at 7,000 rpms

The limiting factors are the small turbine housing and the geometry of the engine rods and crank.

While the dyno sheet may appear to have a rapid loss of TQ when you are driving the car is does feel very linear. Of course the massive low end thrust is significantly harder in the ass than it is up top.

Leep in mind that in most driving situations you really dont load up the car at 2,500 rpms like you do on a dyno jet dyno - most of the time if you shift at red line the revs fall to 5,000 or so and you have a more flat TQ response. The car makes its peak TQ at a low rpm level which has its benefits in certain driving situations.

You can watch the videos I have posted they give a good impression of the power band

It should be noted that the vast majoriety of dyno tuning I do is with the customer present and I take videos of almost everything I do - hardly an opportunity to photoshop the results.

Again, the point I was making isn't that you photoshop your results, it's that some people will believe anything, and, to prove this, I said "I" as in "ME", as in "MYSELF" could post a fake dynograph that should raise the BS flag, but, there will be people perfectly willing to throw logic out the window and think the numbers are legit.

We're not dealing with magic here. Everyone is using similar tools, all constrained by the same physics as everyone else, with the same fundamental concepts being followed. For you to get more power than 99% of the setups with similar setups, then one or more of the following, by logic has to be true:

A. You are Jesus Christ tuner superstar
B. Your tune is super aggressive
C. Your tune is super aggressive and the dyno is optimistic and/or incorrect
D. This setup has a fundamental and overlooked difference to explain the numbers.

That video is hilarious!!! 10.5 bro!!!!! 12.2 at 116mph? LOL LOL LOL

Welcome to 2002:

11.82@117 1.603 7.33@98 Turbo / NOS WRX - 2002 Clark Turner 2002-10-01 Speedworld MotorPlex

Clark .. I sent you PM a week ago to you ... need you help .. please reply if you have time .. thanks

I think it will be a funny day when this clark guy actually gets a well preped FP Green STI in his shop to tune and he makes 450/515 or similar to our tune. I dont think he'd be the one building it though. He is 10 steps behind Al afterall. LOL.

What I just wrote is obviously speculation. How do you like it when I talk out of my ass to you clark? This is ONE TUNING COMUNITY as a whole! In the end, you all have the same cars. Learn from each other and help each other. That's how we work in the Supra world, we help each other. If I was you, I would be scrutinizing this car WE at Broadway Performance built, and Al DYNOFLASH tuned. I would ask for a detailed mod list, and see what's different between this and other FP Green cars. You will never see everything becasue the power and reliablity lies in our building details and Al's tuning details to get it driving so pheonominal.

I have personally been building and tuning cars for ALMOST 10 years now. I can guarantee you I have driven ALMOST EVERY car at almost EVERY power level. This is not something most poeple can even come close to saying. This particualar STI does indeed make 450awhp and 515awtq. After driving this car myself after my mechanic Luis drove it back to us, the first thing I thought was it was a little low on power for how fast it felt. If someone through me in the car and had me guess the power, I'd bet my bottom dollar at 480whp.

And whoever said the car must be dissapointing to drive becasue of the torque falling if is obviously inexperienced. You are welcome to come to my shop in Passaic, NJ, and I'll be glad to have Victor, the owner here waiting for you with this STI to take you for a ride. Then you can come back on here and tell all your friends the car is a beast.

In my opinion that car is in no shape or form running on 'pump' gas. It's meth injected therefore it is more like 110 octane which isn't typical pump gas.

By my definition pump gas is 93,91,87 octane with 'NO' additives or power adders like meth/alky/nitrous/etc.

Not really, here in Alaska we only get 90 octane so in order to reach 92 or 93 you need to use Torco or a kit like SMC's to make up for the difference.

I use the SMC kit, getting it tuned I hope for 93 and then maybe a map for 100 octane. It all depends on how much alcohol you want to run. So just because it's Meth/Alcohol injected doesn't mean they're running 110 octane.

Now there's a guy down in Juneau, AK that's running two SMC kits, one straight alcohol, the other alky/water mix. He has it tuned with both kits and running about 110 octane all the time.

So there's two completely different examples. Califronia only has 91 maybe you can find 92 in some places, in order to achieve 93 octane the alcohol injection will get you there. Obviously you wouldn't need to be spraying a lot and would probably use the smaller nozzle for it. It all depends on the tune :)

-Wes

I think it will be a funny day when this clark guy actually gets a well preped FP Green STI in his shop to tune and he makes 450/515 or similar to our tune. I dont think he'd be the one building it though. He is 10 steps behind Al afterall. LOL.

What I just wrote is obviously speculation. How do you like it when I talk out of my ass to you clark? This is ONE TUNING COMUNITY as a whole! In the end, you all have the same cars. Learn from each other and help each other. That's how we work in the Supra world, we help each other. If I was you, I would be scrutinizing this car WE at Broadway Performance built, and Al DYNOFLASH tuned. I would ask for a detailed mod list, and see what's different between this and other FP Green cars. You will never see everything becasue the power and reliablity lies in our building details and Al's tuning details to get it driving so pheonominal.

I have personally been building and tuning cars for ALMOST 10 years now. I can guarantee you I have driven ALMOST EVERY car at almost EVERY power level. This is not something most poeple can even come close to saying. This particualar STI does indeed make 450awhp and 515awtq. After driving this car myself after my mechanic Luis drove it back to us, the first thing I thought was it was a little low on power for how fast it felt. If someone through me in the car and had me guess the power, I'd bet my bottom dollar at 480whp.

And whoever said the car must be dissapointing to drive becasue of the torque falling if is obviously inexperienced. You are welcome to come to my shop in Passaic, NJ, and I'll be glad to have Victor, the owner here waiting for you with this STI to take you for a ride. Then you can come back on here and tell all your friends the car is a beast.

Thanks Mr. Broadway


The main critera by which I evaluate what I do is by customer satisfaction. At the end of the day iof the customer is happy with his car and enjoys the tuning then I am pleased.

Since I started here 7 years ago with my then WRX in 2001 the additude on the forums has always been the same. Its sad to think that many of these negative individuals are still making the same complaints 7 years later.

oh well - life moves on for some of us!

I am going to post some pics of my newest project later this evening

AL

I have been tuning greens since early 03. I am well aware of what they can and cant do.

Clark

Not really, here in Alaska we only get 90 octane so in order to reach 92 or 93 you need to use Torco or a kit like SMC's to make up for the difference.

I use the SMC kit, getting it tuned I hope for 93 and then maybe a map for 100 octane. It all depends on how much alcohol you want to run. So just because it's Meth/Alcohol injected doesn't mean they're running 110 octane.

Now there's a guy down in Juneau, AK that's running two SMC kits, one straight alcohol, the other alky/water mix. He has it tuned with both kits and running about 110 octane all the time.

So there's two completely different examples. Califronia only has 91 maybe you can find 92 in some places, in order to achieve 93 octane the alcohol injection will get you there. Obviously you wouldn't need to be spraying a lot and would probably use the smaller nozzle for it. It all depends on the tune :)

-Wes

Thanks for your perspective. The gas in Ak is very bad indeed.

I consider a water / alcohol injection car which drives around taking pump gas with a suplement of alcohol in the boot a pump gas car as it can go to regular gas stations.

My own STI runs on VP race gas all the time which means I cant fill up at a gas station and then get on it.

While pump and alchy certainly makes as much power - if not more power than staright race gas when set up properly - it is still not like running trace gas - its its own catagory.

IMHO - quality alcohol kits that are now comming on the market give a huge potential in power production whioch many tuners have yet to embrace.

the rally cars are perfect examples of what watre injection can do to your TQ.

I have been tuning greens since early 03. I am well aware of what they can and cant do.

Clark

You could be a better person if you focused more on what you are doing rather than always spewing negative comments towards other tuners. Frankly, after what yoiu had to say about my good friend David Buschur I lost all respect for you.

You could be a better person if you focused more on what you are doing rather than always spewing negative comments towards other tuners. Frankly, after what yoiu had to say about my good friend David Buschur I lost all respect for you.

Who the hell would care who you respect after you attacked kartboy calling them junk, just so sell your own products :rolleyes:

I have been tuning greens since early 03. I am well aware of what they can and cant do.

Clark


Clark, I enjoy a nice bet every once in a while. Care to play along? Say a $1000 that my car can do what we say it does? Loser pays for the dyno as well? We can put money in Escrow. Just a fun bet. No pressure...

I think it will be a funny day when this clark guy actually gets a well preped FP Green STI in his shop to tune and he makes 450/515 or similar to our tune. I dont think he'd be the one building it though. He is 10 steps behind Al afterall. LOL.

What I just wrote is obviously speculation. How do you like it when I talk out of my ass to you clark? This is ONE TUNING COMUNITY as a whole! In the end, you all have the same cars. Learn from each other and help each other. That's how we work in the Supra world, we help each other. If I was you, I would be scrutinizing this car WE at Broadway Performance built, and Al DYNOFLASH tuned. I would ask for a detailed mod list, and see what's different between this and other FP Green cars. You will never see everything becasue the power and reliablity lies in our building details and Al's tuning details to get it driving so pheonominal.

I have personally been building and tuning cars for ALMOST 10 years now. I can guarantee you I have driven ALMOST EVERY car at almost EVERY power level. This is not something most poeple can even come close to saying. This particualar STI does indeed make 450awhp and 515awtq. After driving this car myself after my mechanic Luis drove it back to us, the first thing I thought was it was a little low on power for how fast it felt. If someone through me in the car and had me guess the power, I'd bet my bottom dollar at 480whp.

And whoever said the car must be dissapointing to drive becasue of the torque falling if is obviously inexperienced. You are welcome to come to my shop in Passaic, NJ, and I'll be glad to have Victor, the owner here waiting for you with this STI to take you for a ride. Then you can come back on here and tell all your friends the car is a beast.



John, you'll find out soon enough but it's really hard to tell the difference in the seat of your pants by driving or riding in an sti with say a red, 35r, etc.

To the butt dyno it always feels great.

Just wanted to mention this as the feel really has nothing to do with it.



On a side note I love these dynoflash posts. Very strong feelings here and everyone has their own reasons.



My question to Al is:

HAVE YOU LEARNED HOW TO REMOVE THE SPEED LIMITER'S FROM A FACTORY ECU YET (Ecutek)?

Just wondering since an experienced tuner should really learn to do this.

And whoever said the car must be dissapointing to drive becasue of the torque falling if is obviously inexperienced. You are welcome to come to my shop in Passaic, NJ, and I'll be glad to have Victor, the owner here waiting for you with this STI to take you for a ride. Then you can come back on here and tell all your friends the car is a beast.

I am the person that said that. Let me take a moment to try to clarify what I was trying to say.

Based on the dyno chart, the car in question produces a LOT of TQ at 4300 rpms... driving it, you would get that huge rush as the car builds up to peak TQ (I am sure this feels awesome).... but right when you are feeling you are getting ready for a good ride, the acceleration starts falling and falling and falling to nearly half by redline. If the car was able to carry that TQ out to redline, it would be a BEAST.... but based on the dyno charts, this car (shifting at redline) would perform like a subie making around 350 lbs flat TQ and not the 500+ lbs stated in the chart.

In a nut shell, I was commenting on the disappointing acceleration near redline versus the early torque peak.

I am sorry if it seemed like a rip on the car, workmanship or tune. This was not what I was trying to say. I am just a bit confused and disappointed with the TQ drop of the EJ motor.

I like my acceleration up top where it belongs.

If you watch the video, the car was going very fast. We tested it carefully in each gear to red line to assure there were no glitches. AlJohn, you'll find out soon enough but it's really hard to tell the difference in the seat of your pants by driving or riding in an sti with say a red, 35r, etc.

To the butt dyno it always feels great.

Just wanted to mention this as the feel really has nothing to do with it.



On a side note I love these dynoflash posts. Very strong feelings here and everyone has their own reasons.



My question to Al is:

HAVE YOU LEARNED HOW TO REMOVE THE SPEED LIMITER'S FROM A FACTORY ECU YET (Ecutek)?

Just wondering since an experienced tuner should really learn to do this.

Who the hell would care who you respect after you attacked kartboy calling them junk, just so sell your own products :rolleyes:

That was a joke I had in one of my videos from nearly a year ago which I quickly appologized for and redacted (removed) for reference I was not plugging my own product at the time but rather Agency Power.

If it makes you feel any better I acutually have kart boy shifter bushings in my sti.

Al

hey sorry to inturrupt the fire storm in here but Al getting back to the sti was the green externally gated, and also you commin to automaster with the silver bullet 2marrow

David Buschur FTMFW

David Buschur FTMFW
I could not agree more. Mr. Buschur has been a pioneer of the sport compact scene from day one and continues to lead the way with innovative products and great customer service.

i dont understand why all you arer flaming him...i made 450whp/450wtq on agiles dyno with my 3"8cm green on 25.5psi 93 oct w meth... hill told me he's had a few greens push past mine with built motor with a couple more psi...i was on stock motor then!

i dont understand why all you arer flaming him...i made 450whp/450wtq on agiles dyno with my 3"8cm green on 25.5psi 93 oct w meth... hill told me he's had a few greens push past mine with built motor with a couple more psi...i was on stock motor then!

I am glad to hear that your results also were in the "ball park" 450 whp at approx 26 psi of boost is typical from my experience on a green turbo.

i love how whenever AL makes a thread all people do is flame him...I for one had my car tuned by AL, an 05 wrx with an 18G...306whp/313wheel torque....the car feels faster, smoother, and more reliable...AL thank you once again, and i will be seeing you very soon with more mods

So now we are comparing HUB dynos to Chassis dynos?

Clark

I am glad to hear that your results also were in the "ball park" 450 whp at approx 26 psi of boost is typical from my experience on a green turbo.

Green turbo STi's on Mustang dynos make 300whp on Mustang Dynos here on the West Coast with 91 pump gas.

Magnus Intake Manifold (with slight crack / leak in weld)

Didn't read the rest of the thread but this is no surprise. Even if it didn't have a leak, it probably would have lost power....

ZZZZ

buncha girls... nag nag nag.... :rolleyes:

ZZZZ

buncha girls... nag nag nag.... :rolleyes:

I know - this isn't a club or community - it's a brotherhood. No matter what my brother does - he did it wrong, I could do it better, and more importantly he pee'd his pants in the 3rd grade and we should never take him seriously again (sure it was 20 years ago, but whatever.) This is like have a couple thousand brothers chiming in on a tune all at once. I have to say I'm a little disappointed that the funny "fail" pictures haven't made an appearance.

Now with that said - lets get back to showing the interweb why this place can be just as small and petty as all the other import car clubs.

My question to Al is:

HAVE YOU LEARNED HOW TO REMOVE THE SPEED LIMITER'S FROM A FACTORY ECU YET (Ecutek)?

Just wondering since an experienced tuner should really learn to do this.

No, what AL does is sends his maps over to ECUTEK via e-mail, and they make the correct changes for him.

Right BRO?

lol :banana:

No, what AL does is sends his maps over to ECUTEK via e-mail, and they make the correct changes for him.

Right BRO?

lol :banana:


Well I do have to give him credit for actually tuning my friend and myself.

The surprise was when we both were tuned Ecutek and guaranteed our speed limiter's were removed.

As you can probably assume, didn't happen.....

No, what AL does is sends his maps over to ECUTEK via e-mail, and they make the correct changes for him.

Right BRO?

lol :banana:

Visconti - you are truely a clown. I heard you and Jimmy had a falling out. Grow up.

Green turbo STi's on Mustang dynos make 300whp on Mustang Dynos here on the West Coast with 91 pump gas.

How much boost, timing and what a/f ratio you can run and the resulting power output is all OCTANE dependant

While on 91 octane cali piss gas 320 or so whp may be the bost you can get . . .

Out here on 93 octane pump gas 360 - 370 is a more normal power range

On race gas and / or pump gas and meth injection 450 or so is the power you can make

The limiting factor is how much cylinder pressure you can run before you start to get knock or detonation

AL

Visconti - you are truely a clown. I heard you and Jimmy had a falling out. Grow up.

You heard wrong BRO.

But it's nice to hear that you still grind your teeth over me. :disco:

One of these days I'm going to photoshop a dyno chart showing some unbelievable numbers, along with a fake mods list (the usual suspects, green, 20g, gt49, etc.. + all else) and see just how many people post responses supporting my claims, even if they are beyond all logic.


actually....

I was bored one night:

my wrx, 16g.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Redline927/brotunefinal.jpg

haha, maybe its worth a laugh.

Anyway, nice job Al, I bet the car turned out great, as usual. Keep it up.

actually....

I was bored one night:

my wrx, 16g.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Redline927/brotunefinal.jpg

haha, maybe its worth a laugh.

Anyway, nice job Al, I bet the car turned out great, as usual. Keep it up.


I LOL'd.

actually....

I was bored one night:

my wrx, 16g.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Redline927/brotunefinal.jpg

haha, maybe its worth a laugh.

Anyway, nice job Al, I bet the car turned out great, as usual. Keep it up.

timeslip??




:lol:

timeslip??


:lol:

12.4 @ 113mph

:lol:

:banana:

:disco:

:diaf:

12.4 @ 113mph

:lol:

:banana:

:disco:

:diaf:

Was that on the first or second motor ? :lol:

I still don't get it - if you're saying the figures are UNCORRECTED then why do the HP and torque cross at ~4700 RPM? That's a mathematical impossibility. HP = Torque * RPM / 5252. They should cross at 5252 RPM. They don't, and the only thing that can cause that is a MASSIVE correction factor.

I still don't get it - if you're saying the figures are UNCORRECTED then why do the HP and torque cross at ~4700 RPM? That's a mathematical impossibility. HP = Torque * RPM / 5252. They should cross at 5252 RPM. They don't, and the only thing that can cause that is a MASSIVE correction factor.

The scales on the left and right (HP / TQ) are offset by 50.

D'oh! Didn't even notice that. Thanks.

All you idiot's that took the time to knock Al's work and tuning capabilities, are not only a bunch of LOOSER"S............... and idiot's but could have done something contructive and positive in the life rather than knock the man's accomplishments, and all you hatters know how you are. You guy's just wasted X amount of time from your lifes.

I will get this car back if needed get her dynoed on our dyno since it's now repaired and then take it to a similar dynojet in N.J and show all you hatters what up!!!

I will waste my prescious time just to prove a point to all you hatter's

P.S Dynojets are non adjustable......


-George Kakaletris

All you idiot's that took the time to knock Al's work and tuning capabilities, are not only a bunch of LOOSER"S............... and idiot's but could have done something contructive and positive in the life rather than knock the man's accomplishments, and all you hatters know how you are. You guy's just wasted X amount of time from your lifes.

I will get this car back if needed get her dynoed on our dyno since it's now repaired and then take it to a similar dynojet in N.J and show all you hatters what up!!!

I will waste my prescious time just to prove a point to all you hatter's

P.S Dynojets are non adjustable......


-George Kakaletris

It really is pathetic, I couldn't agree more. Al already took his STI when people doubted the numbers to another dynojet, and proved them all wrong. Honestly, George, dont even waste your time. Let them think what they want.

What's a "LOOSER"

What's a "LOOSER"

Same as a "HATTER"?

hey, there is alot of haters on here, bunch of internet thugs , but when you see each other at meets/track events/ etc you dont say nothing ....

I have never taken my car to AL,prob never will, rather go elsewhere, heard good and bad about him, but i do know the history and all that had happened.

But honestly leave the man alone and let him live , my sayin is if you have something bad to say , say it in person ...But AL i give you respect not as a tuner(lol) but as a person to withstand all this hatred from some internet thugs...

LOOSER"S............... and idiot's but could have done something contructive and positive in the life rather than knock the man's accomplishments, and all you hatters know how you are. You guy's just wasted X amount of time from your lifes.


at least you didnt waste your time paying attention in school


dont forget this one

additude

just giving you guys shiite. if you guys dont wanna get into discussions/arguements/spelling bees/etc and if the only thing that truely matters is customer satisfaction, then give the dyno sheet to the customer and dont post it. Dont ever post anything on here and dont waste your time with nasioc. Also if you dont wanna read the biatching, then block people. just go to your user profile and do it and you dont have to read anything from the haters anymore. simple. if you dont wanna be questioned, dont post. if you dont wanna argue, dont respond and continue to fuel the fire. if you think you can post up 500 wtq greens and vf39 (especially funny) and not expect to be questioned and doubted then you are not very smart.

the reason these charts with unbelievable power #'s get posted is to brag that the numbers are high and to sell parts and tuning.

if you and clark wanna settle your "fued" then take a car and Al can go on this dyno and max it out while clark is held in the soundproof room. Clark doesnt get to see any of the data and the car is reset to a stock map. Then clark gets to tune the car and get his max dyno plot. Then overlay all the plots, hp, tq, boost, afr, timing, etc. Bam, fued over.

I think it would be fun. Id throw down some money to make it happen.

if you and clark wanna settle your "fued" then take a car and Al can go on this dyno and max it out while clark is held in the soundproof room. Clark doesnt get to see any of the data and the car is reset to a stock map. Then clark gets to tune the car and get his max dyno plot. Then overlay all the plots, hp, tq, boost, afr, timing, etc. Bam, fued over.

I think it would be fun. Id throw down some money to make it happen.

I don't think Clark would want to wait around for someone to put a new motor in that car... But hey, I could be wrong :banana:

wasup Al, im kinda new to modding cars in depth. and i've been reading up on the work you do. i am very impressed. keep up the good work man. i love all the videos you put out too.

at least you didnt waste your time paying attention in school


dont forget this one



just giving you guys shiite. if you guys dont wanna get into discussions/arguements/spelling bees/etc and if the only thing that truely matters is customer satisfaction, then give the dyno sheet to the customer and dont post it. Dont ever post anything on here and dont waste your time with nasioc. Also if you dont wanna read the biatching, then block people. just go to your user profile and do it and you dont have to read anything from the haters anymore. simple. if you dont wanna be questioned, dont post. if you dont wanna argue, dont respond and continue to fuel the fire. if you think you can post up 500 wtq greens and vf39 (especially funny) and not expect to be questioned and doubted then you are not very smart.

the reason these charts with unbelievable power #'s get posted is to brag that the numbers are high and to sell parts and tuning.

if you and clark wanna settle your "fued" then take a car and Al can go on this dyno and max it out while clark is held in the soundproof room. Clark doesnt get to see any of the data and the car is reset to a stock map. Then clark gets to tune the car and get his max dyno plot. Then overlay all the plots, hp, tq, boost, afr, timing, etc. Bam, fued over.

I think it would be fun. Id throw down some money to make it happen.


I spelled (hater and loser) wrong for a reason....

Try again.

I don't think Clark would want to wait around for someone to put a new motor in that car... But hey, I could be wrong :banana:

Hey Visconti... aren't you in enough trouble already!!! why look to start more bull**** here. Find something constructive to do with your life BRO...

P.S it's for your own good.

-George

I have a headache. I'm going back to Supraforums. HAHAHAHA. If anyone needs me, send me a PM. LOL.

SO AL! PUNKED OUT ON SUNDAY!!!! HAHAHAHAHA

he had his own dyno day the same day so he wouldnt have to show up!

Hey Visconti... aren't you in enough trouble already!!! why look to start more bull**** here. Find something constructive to do with your life BRO...

P.S it's for your own good.

-George
OK, lets see how fond you are of DynoFlash when he leaves your ass come June…

P.S How's motor number 5 working out on your SECOND 07 STi? :lol:

whoops...

-Visconti

OK, lets see how fond you are of DynoFlash when he leaves your ass come June…

P.S How's motor number 5 working out on your SECOND 07 STi? :lol:

whoops...

-Visconti

If you dont know whats REALLY going on you should shut your face!

As far as my car..... I gave it someone to drive and it was 3+ quarts low on oil.. The car was starved with oil and the piston skirts had marking on them which was caused the engine to make noise... the car did NOT spin a bearing, it's togeter overnight. The information you aquire is uncorrect! you should see where it's coming from before you speak.


George

SO AL! PUNKED OUT ON SUNDAY!!!! HAHAHAHAHA

he had his own dyno day the same day so he wouldnt have to show up!

Hey, Al did not PUNK DOWN... he was getting his EVO 8 prepared for this coming season. Don't worry when the tracks open up we can all get together and talk **** and line them up, it's all about getting together and having a great time.

-George

SO AL! PUNKED OUT ON SUNDAY!!!! HAHAHAHAHA

he had his own dyno day the same day so he wouldnt have to show up!

Hey, Al did not PUNK DOWN... he was getting his EVO 8 prepared for this coming season. Don't worry when the tracks open up we can all get together and talk **** and line them up, it's all about getting together and having a great time.

-George

^ You look just as bad as the naysayers with childish responses like, "shut your face" etc. Remember SBR?

at least you didnt waste your time paying attention in school


dont forget this one



just giving you guys shiite. if you guys dont wanna get into discussions/arguements/spelling bees/etc and if the only thing that truely matters is customer satisfaction, then give the dyno sheet to the customer and dont post it. Dont ever post anything on here and dont waste your time with nasioc. Also if you dont wanna read the biatching, then block people. just go to your user profile and do it and you dont have to read anything from the haters anymore. simple. if you dont wanna be questioned, dont post. if you dont wanna argue, dont respond and continue to fuel the fire. if you think you can post up 500 wtq greens and vf39 (especially funny) and not expect to be questioned and doubted then you are not very smart.

the reason these charts with unbelievable power #'s get posted is to brag that the numbers are high and to sell parts and tuning.

if you and clark wanna settle your "fued" then take a car and Al can go on this dyno and max it out while clark is held in the soundproof room. Clark doesnt get to see any of the data and the car is reset to a stock map. Then clark gets to tune the car and get his max dyno plot. Then overlay all the plots, hp, tq, boost, afr, timing, etc. Bam, fued over.

I think it would be fun. Id throw down some money to make it happen.

I would pay to see that.

^ You look just as bad as the naysayers with childish responses like, "shut your face" etc. Remember SBR?

I agree with you. we work very hard @ what we do and then we have the naysayers fabricating their own story, not cool to assume.

George

I don't think Clark would want to wait around for someone to put a new motor in that car... But hey, I could be wrong :banana:

Visconti - from what I have been told your car (on its "x" motor) is still sitting at the repair shop. They say that when they last put a new motor you blew it up the same evening with your self tuning. Its very ironic to see a gentleman who is on his "x" motor making these kind of allegations.

Al, get off NASIOC and go tune some more cars and make some more vids. (Even the haters secretly love the videos). Let them think what they want, it isnt worth it.

Visconti - from what I have been told your car (on its "x" motor) is still sitting at the repair shop. They say that when they last put a new motor you blew it up the same evening with your self tuning. Its very ironic to see a gentleman who is on his "x" motor making these kind of allegations.

Yes sir, put a bigger turbo on and that night the motor blew up.
The external wastegate was screwed up, but I didn't find that out untill the new motor was being put back in. And yes, the car sits at the shop because I'm waiting for a new exhaust system, car runs and drives good.
My car's story is sad, but not as sad as all of yours.

Your on motor 'x' on car number 2 @ ICS ! I just find that funny. Why didn't you just put a new motor in when you popped it?
How could you guys trade in a 07 STi with a beat motor, just so you wouldn't have to replace it? That's just wrong. I feel sorry for the sucker that bought that car. Oh, and I hope he doesn't mind ecutek !

Yes sir, put a bigger turbo on and that night the motor blew up.
The external wastegate was screwed up, but I didn't find that out untill the new motor was being put back in. And yes, the car sits at the shop because I'm waiting for a new exhaust system, car runs and drives good.
My car's story is sad, but not as sad as all of yours.

Your on motor 'x' on car number 2 @ ICS ! I just find that funny. Why didn't you just put a new motor in when you popped it?
How could you guys trade in a 07 STi with a beat motor, just so you wouldn't have to replace it? That's just wrong. I feel sorry for the sucker that bought that car. Oh, and I hope he doesn't mind ecutek !

Visconti - if you are going to continue down this road - at least get your facts straight

First of all - the '07 STI piston rubbed into the bore when someone George lent his car to for a couple of weeks neglected to check the oil and it was down 3.5 quarts of oil. Just this weekend, master machanic Freddy was repairing the '07 STI and after two days work its back in action with some new pistons and ready to roll. Lesson learned - don't lend your car to anoyone.

Secondly, I am not so sure that George is trading in that car as we have plans to put a GT40 turbo on that car and go racing this season.

Thirdly, not that there is anything wrong with Ecutek (its one of my favorites) but George's car has Access Port.

Visconti - if you are going to continue down this road - at least get your facts straight

First of all - the '07 STI piston rubbed into the bore when someone George lent his car to for a couple of weeks neglected to check the oil and it was down 3.5 quarts of oil. Just this weekend, master machanic Freddy was repairing the '07 STI and after two days work its back in action with some new pistons and ready to roll. Lesson learned - don't lend your car to anoyone.

Secondly, I am not so sure that George is trading in that car as we have plans to put a GT40 turbo on that car and go racing this season.

Thirdly, not that there is anything wrong with Ecutek (its one of my favorites) but George's car has Access Port.
I'm talking about his first 07 STi ICS not second one.

I'm talking about his first 07 STi ICS not second one.

There was nothing wrong with the motor in that car - your comments are all slanderous lies.

For reference for those following - George originally had a grey colored '07 STI and decided he did not care for the color after his brother bought the same exact car and color so he traded it in at a loss for a WRB '07 STI.

Dont ever post anything on here and dont waste your time with nasioc. Also if you dont wanna read the biatching, then block people. just go to your user profile and do it and you dont have to read anything from the haters anymore. simple. if you dont wanna be questioned, dont post. if you dont wanna argue, dont respond and continue to fuel the fire. if you think you can post up 500 wtq greens and vf39 (especially funny) and not expect to be questioned and doubted then you are not very smart.

.
Just so you know . . .

I was the one who started this Pruven Power Bragging on Nasioc - (then I - Club) back in 2001 with my WRX when I was going to "pruven performance" and posting dyno sheets every day of my progress with my '02 WRX. (yes the '02 WRX came out in '01).

Back in those days there were only two AWD dynos on the east coast and a lot of the guys posting on here did not even have driver's licenses yet.

Here is a representative thread from those days

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238002

Here is my first thread I posted in the Pruven Power Bragging section after it started in June of 2002

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211207


In any event - I have been doing the same thing for 7 years

Its kind of ironic that this latest dyno sheet was made at the same place I made my first dyno sheet at - Pruven.

Anyway - I plan to keep doing the same thing I have been doing for the past 7 years.

Thanks (but no thanks) for your suggestions.

Al,

When is Dan going to start seeing that the subaru community is growing and start fabbing some Pruven subie goodies?

BTW....Keep up the good work. Who cares if your dyno reads high. If the car runs well and doesn't go kaboom....rock on!! Post a video of the GT40 on George's car if he ends up going that route!

Thanks for asking - Dan has just released a dual stainless 3" to 2.5 ' exhaust for the '08 WRX as well as a cold air intake for the '08 WRX - I have a video of those flowating about somehwere

I saw that video! Really nice looking! Does he plan on working with the 02-07 WRX/STI platform at all?

I love Al's threads for bored days at work!!!:banana:

Keep up the good work Al!!

How am I supposed to take this business seriously when the owner comes into Al's threads and talks more s*** than anyone? :rolleyes:

I understand that there are hatters everywhere and maybe they are just looser, but I don't understand why people that like to wear hats are classified as easy?

I would think that the mature way to handle a situation like this would be to back up your tuner while maintaining a calm demeanor or keeping your composure.

Hey, Al did not PUNK DOWN... he was getting his EVO 8 prepared for this coming season. Don't worry when the tracks open up we can all get together and talk **** and line them up, it's all about getting together and having a great time.

-George


hahahaha yea i cant wait for his STi with 560whp to go another 122mph!

hahahaha yea i cant wait for his STi with 560whp to go another 122mph!

Just for reference

My STI went 127 on its last pass with the stock motor

I am in the process of putting together a sleved built motor and will be increasing the power slightly on the STI

My Evo goes 122 in the 1.8th for reference also

^ Why do you reply? Oh well, I guess you get what you deserve.

Just for fun, I ran the numbers for acceleration on this car assuming the numbers were real. Acceleration (Y axis) is in G's, velocity is in MPH (X-axis). The points on the graph are 250RPM apart. It ignores areo or wheelspin, and assumes stock STi gearing.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/Aruis/crazy-car.jpg

According to that, optimal shift points are 6500 for 1st, 6000 for 2nd, 5250 for 3rd, 6000 for 4th, and 5500 for 5th

Just for fun, I ran the numbers for acceleration on this car assuming the numbers were real. Acceleration (Y axis) is in G's, velocity is in MPH (X-axis). The points on the graph are 250RPM apart. It ignores areo or wheelspin, and assumes stock STi gearing.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/Aruis/crazy-car.jpg

According to that, optimal shift points are 6500 for 1st, 6000 for 2nd, 5250 for 3rd, 6000 for 4th, and 5500 for 5th

Thanks - great data. If you watch the video the car goes from zero to 140 mph in about 14.5 seconds - not exactly a slouch.

I would pay to see that.


I would be down for that. I dont honestly think anyone on these boards thinks Al can out tune me. Not even Al. If you want, I can post my phone bill where Al calls me 1 to 2 times a day for advice. We have tried to do these tuner show downs in the past but it never works out. The playing field is always to wide open and most people dont want to subject the car to that kind of abuse. To win each tuner is going to go for broke and that though with some of the tuners on this board makes me cringe....It makes most owners cringe even worse. You can gaurentee at least one lost motor. I just wish people would just be honest. Nasioc is a playground for people to make money on. Vendors make ridiculous posts with huge claims and they get business... Thats just not right.

Cya


Clark

Awesome job AL! Love that video. I couldn't help but notice he had a cobb stealth AB? Is this still a 3" and is it comparable in sound to the maddad whisper or quieter? Thanks.

I would be down for that. I dont honestly think anyone on these boards thinks Al can out tune me. Not even Al. If you want, I can post my phone bill where Al calls me 1 to 2 times a day for advice. We have tried to do these tuner show downs in the past but it never works out. The playing field is always to wide open and most people dont want to subject the car to that kind of abuse. To win each tuner is going to go for broke and that though with some of the tuners on this board makes me cringe....It makes most owners cringe even worse. You can gaurentee at least one lost motor. I just wish people would just be honest. Nasioc is a playground for people to make money on. Vendors make ridiculous posts with huge claims and they get business... Thats just not right.

Cya


Clark

it just so happens that i have a green and im getting the aquamist hfs-5 kit in a bit. :devil: i want to jump from 300 ft*lbs to 515 ;)

i think i'd pick up 100 ft*lbs just baselining my car on this dyno.

I would be down for that. I dont honestly think anyone on these boards thinks Al can out tune me. Not even Al. If you want, I can post my phone bill where Al calls me 1 to 2 times a day for advice. We have tried to do these tuner show downs in the past but it never works out. The playing field is always to wide open and most people dont want to subject the car to that kind of abuse. To win each tuner is going to go for broke and that though with some of the tuners on this board makes me cringe....It makes most owners cringe even worse. You can gaurentee at least one lost motor. I just wish people would just be honest. Nasioc is a playground for people to make money on. Vendors make ridiculous posts with huge claims and they get business... Thats just not right.

Cya


Clark

For a so called profesional like yourself.... Many of your above statements are VERY un profesional.

Clark im not here to fight with you.. I hear good and bad things about you. I also hear good and bad things about all the tuners in this business, please don't take it personal, its how this business is. I would never judge you without ever meeting you, thats the kind of person I am. Some of your actions here on Nasioc are un called for, such as some of my actions @ times.

We should keep this thread on topic..

Once again Clark, I have no issues with you or you capabilities.

If Al wants to do a tuner challenge against you, I will provide my dyno and faclity, so you youself can see that our dyno is un molested and reads correctly. :)

George Kakaletris

I think i was on my second motor and Gt35r kit before George even got his 1st 07 Sti - just to set the record straight- Jimmy

I think i was on my second motor and Gt35r kit before George even got his 1st 07 Sti - just to set the record straight- Jimmy

I was not working at "The Shop" during the period of time stated above.
Just to make that noted, and completely dis involve myself from this thread.

None of this is necessary....

What we need is someone who is in the area has some good recent pulls on a reputable Mustang dyno to drive over to Al's shop, pay for a set of pulls and post the Mustang vs. Dynojet on the same combo, and hopefully near the same ambient temps.

I stopped looking at dyno numbers a while back, I like trap speeds now for direct comparisons, but even those have things like "Flat foot shifting" that seem to skew them.

Either way, no one is doing anything wrong we are just trying to compare apples and oranges for bragging rights, which is not a good deal.

R.

I think i was on my second motor and Gt35r kit before George even got his 1st 07 Sti - just to set the record straight- Jimmy

The reason I traded in my 07 silver STI was b/c I was told by you and others that I was copying you and wanted to be like you, which was never the case So I immediately drove down to Stamford Subaru and traded my car in for a Rally Blue 07. I was unaware that we bought the same color STI.

George Kakaletris

The reason I traded in my 07 silver STI was b/c I was told by you and others that I was copying you and wanted to be like you, which was never the case So I immediately drove down to Stamford Subaru and traded my car in for a Rally Blue 07. I was unaware that we bought the same color STI.

George Kakaletris

I was just trying to clarify al's statement - That is all.

How is this turning into a brother v brother, shop v shop thing now?

If we are going to have the usual nasioc flame war, why don't we all at least try to stay on topic.

Unsubscribe....

How is this turning into a brother v brother, shop v shop thing now?

If we are going to have the usual nasioc flame war, why don't we all at least try to stay on topic.

It would never get to that.... I wont allow it, id rather walk away with pride than polute this thread. :)

RE post, sorry.

I thought I would share what SoA just emailed all New England & Mid-Atlantic dealers.

Dear Dealers,

We would like for our dealers to be aware of "tuning shops" that have poluted the Subaru aftermarket community. We are demanding your help in putting these shops out of business. We encourage you to go to www.NASIOC.com and look for these "tuning shops" that constantly post utterly useless garbage. We also encourage you to deny any and all regular service and/or of course warranty to your customers that use these "tuning shops".

We at SoA chuckle at these posts on www.NASIOC.com and it really does make our boring days here go by better. We at SoA believe these "tuning shops" have failed the community like we have with our boring new product line.


Thank you,
XXXXXXX
Subaru of America
Cherry Hill, NJ
800-BOR-ING1

I would be down for that. I dont honestly think anyone on these boards thinks Al can out tune me. Not even Al. If you want, I can post my phone bill where Al calls me 1 to 2 times a day for advice.

Clark

I must add to the long list of your characteristics "delusional" and "psychotic"


Lets end the lies and BS here - you say you have phone bills where I call you 1 - 2 times a day for advice - lets see them. Put up or shut up.

I will give you credit for sure as having the more creative imagination for dreaming up some great stories. Modesity, however, is not a character trait you possess.

Awesome job AL! Love that video. I couldn't help but notice he had a cobb stealth AB? Is this still a 3" and is it comparable in sound to the maddad whisper or quieter? Thanks.
I am not sure of the specs on that exhuast other than to note that it is very quite and stealth looking

I thought I would share what SoA just emailed all New England & Mid-Atlantic dealers.

Dear Dealers,

We would like for our dealers to be aware of "tuning shops" that have poluted the Subaru aftermarket community. We are demanding your help in putting these shops out of business. We encourage you to go to www.NASIOC.com and look for these "tuning shops" that constantly post utterly useless garbage. We also encourage you to deny any and all regular service and/or of course warranty to your customers that use these "tuning shops".

We at SoA chuckle at these posts on www.NASIOC.com and it really does make our boring days here go by better. We at SoA believe these "tuning shops" have failed the community like we have with our boring new product line.


Thank you,
XXXXXXX
Subaru of America
Cherry Hill, NJ
800-BOR-ING1

oh god, we have a f***** comedian on our hands! :rolleyes:

wrong....I would never go near your hands.

IMHO, I think this thread should be closed. Just to avoid further misunderstandings.

IMHO, I think this thread should be closed. Just to avoid further misunderstandings.

There is no "misunderstanding" here - its very clear what is going on

I post a dyno and some tech data including a video etc on this forum

Clark and his posse of buffons decide to invade this thread with a bunch of off topic allegations, lies and other negative marketing and smear tactics

If the members here want a genuine tech forum where we can discuss dyno results in an inteligent and meaningful manner - people like Clark who seek to pollute the scene should simply be ignored

Sadly, Clark's entire "contribution" to the forum here is to spew negative insults, attacks and crticise other tuner's work. He even neglcects to support the forum by paying a vendor fee.

I prefer to let my work and results speak for my skills. I think its beneath me as a professional to chime in on other tuner's threads with these kind of comments like Clark is making.

Sadly, we have been through this many times with Clark. He is like a moldy cheese which keeps stinking up the refrigerator. Time to throw him out.

I agree that it is very unproffessional of Clark to continually post in Al's threads with negative "call it as he sees it" bull****. Trying to claim he's doing us all a favor by polluting the boards with negative comments.

Clark, I think you need to look at yourself for a while. Try to figure out why you feel it necessary to feed your own ego by bashing on Al at every opportunity. You are hurting your own image and business this way.

Al, you should take is as a compliment that Clark feels so threatened by you that he has to do this so frequently. However, maybe you should just ignore the posts and not feed the fire.

to all who are still reading this thread:
I tuned an 04 STi with a DomTune custom bottom end (9:1 CR), stock heads/cams, FP Green 2.4" inlet, 38mm EWG, APS FMIC and meth injection. Made 534ftlbs of torque and 477whp on TDC's dyno in NH. It wasn't my dyno and I had no idea of how to adjust anything on it. These are the numbers that came off it. I don't personally think they are that accurate. I think the same car would make just under 400 on a mustang with the same setup and tune.
The point is, I didn't modify the numbers and they were pretty outrageous.

Making accusations that he fooled with the dyno parameters is pretty harsh. Some dyno's are just like drunk high school chics....

easy.


We tune subarus because it's fun. If you don't, then you do it for the money.
I have 2 other jobs that pay well. What's your motivation?


-Dominic

nice car... too much talking in the video though...

+1 for Dom and his abilitys.
I agree that it is very unproffessional of Clark to continually post in Al's threads with negative "call it as he sees it" bull****. Trying to claim he's doing us all a favor by polluting the boards with negative comments.

Clark, I think you need to look at yourself for a while. Try to figure out why you feel it necessary to feed your own ego by bashing on Al at every opportunity. You are hurting your own image and business this way.

Al, you should take is as a compliment that Clark feels so threatened by you that he has to do this so frequently. However, maybe you should just ignore the posts and not feed the fire.

to all who are still reading this thread:
I tuned an 04 STi with a DomTune custom bottom end (9:1 CR), stock heads/cams, FP Green 2.4" inlet, 38mm EWG, APS FMIC and meth injection. Made 534ftlbs of torque and 477whp on TDC's dyno in NH. It wasn't my dyno and I had no idea of how to adjust anything on it. These are the numbers that came off it. I don't personally think they are that accurate. I think the same car would make just under 400 on a mustang with the same setup and tune.
The point is, I didn't modify the numbers and they were pretty outrageous.

Making accusations that he fooled with the dyno parameters is pretty harsh. Some dyno's are just like drunk high school chics....

easy.


We tune subarus because it's fun. If you don't, then you do it for the money.
I have 2 other jobs that pay well. What's your motivation?


-Dominic

I agree that it is very unproffessional of Clark to continually post in Al's threads with negative "call it as he sees it" bull****. Trying to claim he's doing us all a favor by polluting the boards with negative comments.

Clark, I think you need to look at yourself for a while. Try to figure out why you feel it necessary to feed your own ego by bashing on Al at every opportunity. You are hurting your own image and business this way.

Al, you should take is as a compliment that Clark feels so threatened by you that he has to do this so frequently. However, maybe you should just ignore the posts and not feed the fire.

to all who are still reading this thread:
I tuned an 04 STi with a DomTune custom bottom end (9:1 CR), stock heads/cams, FP Green 2.4" inlet, 38mm EWG, APS FMIC and meth injection. Made 534ftlbs of torque and 477whp on TDC's dyno in NH. It wasn't my dyno and I had no idea of how to adjust anything on it. These are the numbers that came off it. I don't personally think they are that accurate. I think the same car would make just under 400 on a mustang with the same setup and tune.
The point is, I didn't modify the numbers and they were pretty outrageous.

Making accusations that he fooled with the dyno parameters is pretty harsh. Some dyno's are just like drunk high school chics....

easy.


We tune subarus because it's fun. If you don't, then you do it for the money.
I have 2 other jobs that pay well. What's your motivation?


-Dominic


Very well said

Al

If I could consistently yield 20-50% (or more) in net power results than any given tuner using the same tools and same platform, I would seriously question my results, and not only expect, but demand others help me explain them. The same goes for any respected scientist. Compare Nasioc to any peer reviewed journal in the scientific community, and you see that the concept of standards and independent peer review is what turns results from "claims" to "facts".

Tuning is a science, but when people show results so far outside the norm, it starts to border on "magic", then I have no problem critically questioning the results. To accept the position that these results are factual, would, by logic, invalidate the tuning capability of nearly 99% of the other tuners out there. What's more logical? That we're comparing apples to oranges, or that Al is tremendously better, nay, astronomically better, than 99% of the other tuners out there? I'm not saying it's impossible, just saying it's unlikely.

Name-calling aside, that's not "hatting", that's just being critical. Being critical is more productive and more important to the overall community than just giving high fives and atta-boys to anyone willing to post a dynochart of their results.

^ bingo.

Half the reason this car made the power it did was in Al's tuning. The other half is the way it was built.

I thought I would share what SoA just emailed all New England & Mid-Atlantic dealers.

Dear Dealers,

We would like for our dealers to be aware of "tuning shops" that have poluted the Subaru aftermarket community. We are demanding your help in putting these shops out of business. We encourage you to go to www.NASIOC.com and look for these "tuning shops" that constantly post utterly useless garbage. We also encourage you to deny any and all regular service and/or of course warranty to your customers that use these "tuning shops".

We at SoA chuckle at these posts on www.NASIOC.com and it really does make our boring days here go by better. We at SoA believe these "tuning shops" have failed the community like we have with our boring new product line.


Thank you,
XXXXXXX
Subaru of America
Cherry Hill, NJ
800-BOR-ING1

you had me for a second :p

if al posted track times everyone would ****!

*cant wait for spring*

clear evidence that Al makes bogus #'s http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1434750

Perin Big MAf

Indeed the only thing which prevented us from making more power is the limitation of the maf as it was neat 4.9 volts

Al

Arent the sti's maf and map based?

and this car is using utec right? if it is, why arent you tuning via speed density, if you already arent? wouldnt this negate the need for the perrin big maf and let you tune off manifold pressure??

im just asking because im curious how tuning these cars work. thanks

Half the reason this car made the power it did was in Al's tuning. The other half is the way it was built.

Wow. :rolleyes:

Arent the sti's maf and map based?

and this car is using utec right? if it is, why arent you tuning via speed density, if you already arent? wouldnt this negate the need for the perrin big maf and let you tune off manifold pressure??

im just asking because im curious how tuning these cars work. thanks

the car was tuned with Ecutek which is a stock ecu reflash. Al

You make some good points. However, you are assuming that 450 whp is an "unusual" result on this car. I totally disagree.
I expect the car to easily make that power level given the modifications on the car. Kito /Dom has reported nearly identical results. FP claims 470 whp on its web site. 450 who is no special fear. AlIf I could consistently yield 20-50% (or more) in net power results than any given tuner using the same tools and same platform, I would seriously question my results, and not only expect, but demand others help me explain them. The same goes for any respected scientist. Compare Nasioc to any peer reviewed journal in the scientific community, and you see that the concept of standards and independent peer review is what turns results from "claims" to "facts".

Tuning is a science, but when people show results so far outside the norm, it starts to border on "magic", then I have no problem critically questioning the results. To accept the position that these results are factual, would, by logic, invalidate the tuning capability of nearly 99% of the other tuners out there. What's more logical? [B[/B]That we're comparing apples to oranges, or that Al is tremendously better, nay, astronomically better, than 99% of the other tuners out there? I'm not saying it's impossible, just saying it's unlikely.

Name-calling aside, that's not "hatting", that's just being critical. Being critical is more productive and more important to the overall community than just giving high fives and atta-boys to anyone willing to post a dynochart of their results.

You make some good points. However, you are assuming that 450 who is an "unusual" result on this car. I totally disagree.
I expect the car to easily make that power level given the modifications on the car. Kito /Dom has reported nearly identical results. To claims 470 who on its web site. 450 who is no special fear. Al

If the tuning community is satisfied that they could replicate your results with the same setup, on a different dyno, within a nominal statistical variance, then I would have no choice but to agree.

I may have missed it in the mods list, but, what size injectors is this setup running?

It just lists them as Perrin modified, so I'd assume 816cc or 850cc

the car was tuned with Ecutek which is a stock ecu reflash. Al


oops, misread, sorry.

I'd like to see the phone bill?

Isnt the most important person in all this the customer?

As long as he his happy with the 'real feel' of the car and has seen it dyno'd got the prints - who cares?

What ever a dyno reads its all relative to the previous motors that have been on there in terms of performance and only the person operating that particular dyno, tuning over a period of time can comment on what they see before them.

The owner and DD of any vehicle knows the ins and outs, the little noises and creaks and ultimatly his/her own butt dyno. Looking at the vid it sure seems like a car that hauls ass and does so rather smoothly.

Live and let live - enjoy it, dont enjoy it - thats why we are all so very different.
Now Im going back to watching Ghay porn. out.

Half the reason this car made the power it did was in Al's tuning. The other half is the way it was built.

al's ability to hilight the 100% throttle column on the boost map and type 26 is so much greater than everyone else's :rolleyes:

and his ability to read an afr gauge and make sure it says 11....

and his ability to increase timing ...

Just when you thought the thread was going to die... !!:D

You make some good points. However, you are assuming that 450 whp is an "unusual" result on this car. I totally disagree.
I expect the car to easily make that power level given the modifications on the car. Kito /Dom has reported nearly identical results. FP claims 470 whp on its web site. 450 who is no special fear. Al
I thought there was a discussion about the 470whp number - that was flywheel was it not? Or was it determined to be to the wheels?

I thought there was a discussion about the 470whp number - that was flywheel was it not? Or was it determined to be to the wheels?

Its on a very low reading dyno on shootout mode. It remains to be determined how that compares with a relatively higher reading dyno jet. I have never used a Dyno Dymanics on shootout mode so I have no idea of how to comapre the numbers.

The next time I get my hands on a green turbo powered Subaru with Aquamist we are going to visit numerous dynos all over the place - we have just about every kind of dyno under the sun within one hours driving time from Mustang to Dyno Pak and I plan to visit them all and make a giant video of the experience.

Al

I was flywheel, just for reference. On the Dyno Dynamics at KTR, your average STi makes about 220HP at the wheels.

Its on a very low reading dyno on shootout mode. It remains to be determined how that compares with a relatively higher reading dyno jet. I have never used a Dyno Dymanics on shootout mode so I have no idea of how to comapre the numbers.

The next time I get my hands on a green turbo powered Subaru with Aquamist we are going to visit numerous dynos all over the place - we have just about every kind of dyno under the sun within one hours driving time from Mustang to Dyno Pak and I plan to visit them all and make a giant video of the experience.

Al
Believe me, I'm definitely aware of Dyno Dynamics dyno's ****ting on my me ;) I have a "450whp+" turbo (GT52 on meth:water) that maxed out at 360whp on this DD dyno. A built long block TSR70 LGT only made ~450whp and runs 10's lol.

Anyway, I think you hit the nail on the head - take a Subaru you've tuned, a Green in this case, post up your Dynojet numbers, then post up corresponding dyno numbers for a Mustand, a Dyno Dynamics, and a Dyno Pack. It probably won't be the cheapest day in your life, unless the other shops sponsor it, but it'll finally put fact before fiction.

You make some good points. However, you are assuming that 450 whp is an "unusual" result on this car. I totally disagree.
I expect the car to easily make that power level given the modifications on the car. Kito /Dom has reported nearly identical results. FP claims 470 whp on its web site. 450 who is no special fear. Al

The problem most of us have is that you post FPs approximate flywheel results and then compare them to your WHP results and claim its in the ballpark. You even admitted in POST #73 that their chart is approx. flywheel aftering checking out the symbols at the bottom of the chart(When you tried to disprove my claim that their graph was approx. flywheel).

It's just a matter of Ethics. I wouldn't give you any grief if you just posted your numbers and said "It is what it is" and quit trying to pull one over on people by comparing flywheel to whp numbers or if you simply posted whp vs whp graphs from the same dynos.

So it appears that the dyno sheet in question was of a flywheel figure :

Quoted for posterity

For reference, 470WHP at the crank is 376HP at the wheels using the 20% AWD drivetrain loss (which is just about dead on for Subaru's). And that's about the number that most tuners max out the FP green at. I'm not saying my opinion either way, just that FP green is saying their turbo maxes at ~380WHP, not over 400.

375whp is a common power level for this car on meth and its totaly believeable.

Clark

I'm not saying my opinion either way, just that FP green is saying their turbo maxes at ~380WHP, not over 400.

bingo!

375whp is a common power level for this car on meth and its totaly believeable.

Clark


I'm sorry, does this mean you want to take my bet? Anything over 415whp and I win?????????????????????

I'm sorry, does this mean you want to take my bet? Anything over 415whp and I win?????????????????????


nevermind...i looked up the bet post and it was directed at clark

One that would be a little closer to them would be the one at KTR :p

Well this one is closer to me...like 5 minutes away :devil:

One that would be a little closer to them would be the one at KTR :p

theres one 1 hr from al.

al's ability to hilight the 100% throttle column on the boost map and type 26 is so much greater than everyone else's :rolleyes:

and his ability to read an afr gauge and make sure it says 11....

and his ability to increase timing ...

Well, today I thought I'd put a end to all of this crap. I tracked down Dynoflash and he showed me everything.

Does anyone know why the Engine Load goes up to 88.00 g/rev ?

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z298/Viscontiflash/brotune.jpg