Hey guys, I'm thinking of getting an AccessPort, but I'm planning on sticking to Stage 1 for a while. I was just wondering if Stage 1 is worth the $700 price tag. I know Stage 2 would definitely be worth it, but I don't plan on doing that until I can afford a stronger set of gears. I know you can blow gears at stock power, but I'm just trying to stay on the safe side since more torque increases the odds.

And before someone says to just get a Tactrix cable, I don't have a laptop and no one will let me borrow one. Already looked into that.

Mike

YES.

You will notice a great difference in the driveability.

Plus, it will be an EASY jump to stgII when you decide to upgrade.

Open Source is great, too, but an AP is a good tool, and you can always unmarry/sell it if you get a laptop/tactrix cable.

__SOTC

but a laptop would not give you access to the perrin maps. anyway, what software would you use to load the cobb maps?

isnt it also a little dicey with a laptop-what if your battery died or the laptop went to sleep in the middle of a flash? i have never used one so please do not mistake my remarks for negativism-just caution. is the ecu read and checksummed after a flash? (is it verified?)

I may be the only one who feels this way, but I do not think Stage 1 is worth the $700. I actually preferred stock to Stage 1. Stage 1 may be smoother or more linear but that translated to "feels slower." It is not much faster than stock, but with stock you get that late turbo rush that deceives you into feeling like you're going fast.

Stage 2, however, is totally worth it. I'd just wait and go from stock to Stage 2 all at once. I had actually planned to run it at Stage 1 for awhile but I was so disappointed in it that I went ahead and popped for the downpipe to get to Stage 2.

I have an 07 with the 2.5L motor.

Since I'll probably go Stage 2 somewhere down the line, I'll probably pick up a used unmarried AP if I can come across one. I don't think I trust myself or a cheap laptop to do the job manually.

bwanaaa, I don't think you can use the Cobb AP maps with a Tactrix cable. From what I read, you use a program called ECU Flash to flash a new map to your ECU, then you use a logging program like ECU Explorer to make sure there isn't anything bad going on by driving around with the laptop/Tactrix connected. I really don't know where to get free maps, but I stopped looking around the time when I decided that I didn't want to buy a laptop that I won't use aside from tuning the car.

I am very happy with the improvements that the Stage 1 made in the driveability of the car. It eliminated most of the quirks that I did not like about the car. I will be stage 2 soon.

isnt it also a little dicey with a laptop-what if your battery died or the laptop went to sleep in the middle of a flash? i have never used one so please do not mistake my remarks for negativism-just caution. is the ecu read and checksummed after a flash? (is it verified?)

That's why you make sure you have something stable before flashing.
And yes, it does check the ecu after the flash to make sure it's correct.
Remember, you can knock off the ap's cable during a flash too.
AP is great for those who need multiple maps and can flash anytime.

If you plan on setting it and forgetting it. Have someone tune it for you with opensource. Or tune it yourself, whichever.

$700 for stage 1 is not worth it. But if you plan on upgrading your car, requiring different maps for different reasons, sure AP would be worth it.

I may be the only one who feels this way, but I do not think Stage 1 is worth the $700. I actually preferred stock to Stage 1.

I think you're crazy.

Stage 1 felt SO much better than stock, but I do agree with you that it isn't worth the $695 if you plan on just staying at Stage 1.

I bought my Cobb v2.0 because I knew I would eventually go to Stage 2 once I put my catted DP on, then go with a protune...using the Cobb AP to hold the custom tune.

I had the same problem until I found out the price difference between AP $500 used compared $70 tactrix cable + $52 tuned map. It's really easy to do, kinda sux you don't have a laptop you could use.

I am very happy with the improvements that the Stage 1 made in the driveability of the car. It eliminated most of the quirks that I did not like about the car. I will be stage 2 soon.

What quirks are you referring to?

I keep reading about improved "driveability" but I thought stock was very driveable, so I still don't know what people are talking about when they say that.

I think you're crazy.

Stage 1 felt SO much better than stock, but I do agree with you that it isn't worth the $695 if you plan on just staying at Stage 1.

I bought my Cobb v2.0 because I knew I would eventually go to Stage 2 once I put my catted DP on, then go with a protune...using the Cobb AP to hold the custom tune.

Ha! I probably am crazy, but if the AP felt SO much better then it'd be worth the money. Stage 1 is only a subtle change and makes the car less raucous.

Why spent the $700 for a v2 when the v1 will get you to the same place for a fraction of the cost? I picked up a v1 from the boards yesterday for $300 shipped. I'll let you know if the jump to stage 1 was worth it.

There isn't an apv1 for his 2007

What quirks are you referring to?

I keep reading about improved "driveability" but I thought stock was very driveable, so I still don't know what people are talking about when they say that.

Mainly the much improved throttle response, increased low end torque throughout the gears. It also appears that the RPMs don’t drop as much between shifts (that may just be me though) which is good for someone like me that doesn’t speed shift through the gears. The power increase is minimal. I keep mine on the 91 octane map. The 93 maps has a few more ponies for Stage 1.

I have to go to stock map in a few days and I'm not looking forward to driving too and from the dealership w/ out the Stage 1 map installed.

My .02 cents.

I have the AP2 and run only stage 1 (I have no engine mods at all, not even a different filter). Is it worth $700? Depends, even for people who will never go beyond stage 1 (like me).

WORTH IT - If you have more money than time, and your car is your hobby, then $700 is expensive, but you don't care because it makes the car drive smoother with more low end (2500-3500k rpm range) torque. This is most useful on the street and in autox. But since power is about the same above 4k rpm, then it really doesn't do much at the track (road course). MPG on the street is about the same as stock (I have a pretty consistent commute and I noticed no significant difference better/worse.) The live gauges are a great idea, but since they don't yet have peak hold, they are marginally useful.

NOT WORTH IT - $700 for a tiny bump in low end torque. It does not make your car "fast". $700 is better spent on another set of tires, IMHO.

Virdict: I personally do not think it's worth spending $700 for stage 1, but I'm keeping it because I don't care and I splurged on myself. (Hey, if the wifey can buy $300 sunglasses, $300 purse, and $200 shoes; then why can't I get something stupid expensive if it makes me smile?)

Mainly the much improved throttle response, increased low end torque throughout the gears. It also appears that the RPMs don’t drop as much between shifts (that may just be me though) which is good for someone like me that doesn’t speed shift through the gears. The power increase is minimal. I keep mine on the 91 octane map. The 93 maps has a few more ponies for Stage 1.

I have to go to stock map in a few days and I'm not looking forward to driving too and from the dealership w/ out the Stage 1 map installed.


Speaking of RPM's, is it possible for the AP to cause a change in the RPM per speed of a specific gear (i.e. [made up numbers] change from 3000rpm in 3rd at 45mph to 3300rpm in 3rd at 45mph)?

It seems as if RPM at a certain speed would be a function of the mechanical drivetrain connections, but after I flashed to Stage 1 the tach and speedo needles looked to be in different orientations than what my mind had become used to.

Maybe I have gone crazy...

To the OP,
I am in the same boat as you, I really want to upgrade the power but am terrified of tearing apart the gears. But since you do plan on going Stage 2 later on, I say its worth it. If you were going to get an AP for just stage 2 and never go further I would say no, but if you ever plan on going Stage 2 go for it.

Plus, I believe that a decent driver with a mild tune, your gearbox should be fine at Stage 2.

To the OP,
I am in the same boat as you, I really want to upgrade the power but am terrified of tearing apart the gears. But since you do plan on going Stage 2 later on, I say its worth it. If you were going to get an AP for just stage 2 and never go further I would say now, but if you ever plan on going Stage 2 go for it.

Plus, I believe that a decent driver with a mild tune, your gearbox should be fine at Stage 2.

FWIW I asked my dealership and the local Indy shop about Stage 2 and both felt that it was a not outrageous. I sepcifically asked the dealership Service Manager what ramifications it'd have to my warranty and he brushed it off. He said, "As long as it's something made specifically for Subaru, such as the Cobb stuff, then it's no big deal." Those words made me take the plunge.

chimchim...

you just ruined it for me...

:(

i think i'll just go open source and stay at Stage 1...sigh...

but you saved me $500 to use on other stuff...

:D

T

My .02 cents.

I have the AP2 and run only stage 1 (I have no engine mods at all, not even a different filter). Is it worth $700? Depends, even for people who will never go beyond stage 1 (like me).

WORTH IT - If you have more money than time, and your car is your hobby, then $700 is expensive, but you don't care because it makes the car drive smoother with more low end (2500-3500k rpm range) torque. This is most useful on the street and in autox. But since power is about the same above 4k rpm, then it really doesn't do much at the track (road course). MPG on the street is about the same as stock (I have a pretty consistent commute and I noticed no significant difference better/worse.) The live gauges are a great idea, but since they don't yet have peak hold, they are marginally useful.

NOT WORTH IT - $700 for a tiny bump in low end torque. It does not make your car "fast". $700 is better spent on another set of tires, IMHO.

Virdict: I personally do not think it's worth spending $700 for stage 1, but I'm keeping it because I don't care and I splurged on myself. (Hey, if the wifey can buy $300 sunglasses, $300 purse, and $200 shoes; then why can't I get something stupid expensive if it makes me smile?)

why would an apv2 be useful for a stage2 tune but not a stage1? To my mind, the apv2 is useful if you switch maps-regardless if it's a stage1 or a stage2. if you like to load an economy map for the week and switch to your custom stage2 then the ap is great. no laptop, no blue screen of death,blablabla.

And what's this about 'holding a tune'? once you get a protune , why wouldnt it hold?

why would an apv2 be useful for a stage2 tune but not a stage1? To my mind, the apv2 is useful if you switch maps-regardless if it's a stage1 or a stage2. if you like to load an economy map for the week and switch to your custom stage2 then the ap is great. no laptop, no blue screen of death,blablabla.

Do you have an AP2?

Before I got one, I thought it would a great idea to "infinitely swap between tons of maps". The reality is, I have yet to swith once so far.

You have one map that you use, econo map is useless (from what people have experienced), and once in awhile valet and antitheft are useful. Ok, maybe you swap between 91 and 93 octane depending on what's available as you go from state to state.

I guess it's like buying an "SI-drive" for your car.

chimchim...

you just ruined it for me...

:(

i think i'll just go open source and stay at Stage 1...sigh...

but you saved me $500 to use on other stuff...

:D

T

Haha. Sorry.

Oh... like I came up with in the previous post... Stage 1 AP2 is sort of like buying an SI-drive for you car that Subaru never equipped it with. In that sense, it's worth it.

And AP2 is probably more dummy proof than using an opensource tool and downloading a "popular stage 1 map" from the internet.

not to mention it's easier to hide from the wife, who has the only laptop available to me...muhahahhahahah....so it may still be a possibility...

It's totally worth it. It does more then just stage 1. Later on you can use it for stage 2 and save different maps when you go beyond that for example a race gas map and a street map with ease.

Oh yeah "Highly Recommended by AL":)

And AP2 is probably more dummy proof than using an opensource tool and downloading a "popular stage 1 map" from the internet.

and an OTS map with the ap :rolleyes:

Whats this talk of breaking gears with stg2? Do you know how to drive stick? Do you plan on doing burnouts with your car?:) Are you constantly going to dump your clutch? I drive a Bugeye and Im pretty sure your 07 has a stronger tranny, but mine is fine and dandy. I have about 70k and ive drag raced it numerous times and i still autox it...i was fully catless at one point with a full 3inch turbo back and uppipe so i think you will be fine. I never had stage 2 but I think our transmission are a little stronger hehe not to mention ive seen wrxs with more power on stock trannies.


Back on topic. Ive always wanted to buy an AP, but my car is pretty much stock now as im broke. I think it is worth it, bc if u plan on going to stg2 then its 700 you don't have to pay for later and it has a fairly high resale value.

Sorry to go off topic there:)

Notice how (practically) everyone saying "AP is worth it" justifies it with "when you go to Stage 2".

And the title of this thread is "AP worth it for just Stage 1?"

Speaking of RPM's, is it possible for the AP to cause a change in the RPM per speed of a specific gear (i.e. [made up numbers] change from 3000rpm in 3rd at 45mph to 3300rpm in 3rd at 45mph)?

It seems as if RPM at a certain speed would be a function of the mechanical drivetrain connections, but after I flashed to Stage 1 the tach and speedo needles looked to be in different orientations than what my mind had become used to.

Maybe I have gone crazy...

There are no options to change the speeds of the RPMs that I can see. It may just be a figment of my imagination regarding the RPM speeds. I'm not sure if a protune or something can in change that. The '06 - '07 WRX have electronic throttle control, so that may have been changed. Not sure, I just notice that I can shift slower without any lugging of the engine or tranny (or whatever) like I was getting before. Maybe it was just that I learned to drive the car a little better:lol:

I'm prolly really off the wall here, so if anyone here has an idea as to what it can be, please chime in:)

Dont do it - you will sell it later - go OS - Winnar

$700 for stage 1 is not worth it.

:rolleyes:

Ummm, there are people paying $1500 PER TICKET to see Hanna Montana lipsync for an hour and forty minutes.

A 3 day trip to Disney for the family costs between $1800 and $3000, depending on where you stay and how you get there.

The Governor of NY just got busted dropping $4000/hr on some hooker.

For $550/shipped, you can get an AP V2 used. For $695, you can get one brand-new, if you are afraid to buy 2nd-hand goods. These products will last you the life of your car, and are upgradeable.

YOU CAN SELL THE AP for 550-600 bucks IF YOU DON'T FEEL IT'S WORTH IT, and you're losing $150 max, even after 6 months of use.

I assume if you can't stand it after one day, you could even unmarry and return it in new condition to a reputable dealer.

I got better mileage stgII than I did stock in my '05 2.0L wagon.

My 07 STi was almost undriveable without the AP. Literally. And stage I was actually better than stgII, IMO.

You get a 28% gain in torque with the 07 WRX on stgI. FOREVER. Find me another product that increases torque by 25% for $700 and NO other labor or work, other than an 11-min. reflash!

Stage I is a bargain, even if it's all you do.

I agree, open source is a great deal, and in some ways is better, but for simple, "tuning for dummies" bang-for-the buck, the Accessport is a wonderful tool.

SOTC

:rolleyes:

Ummm, there are people paying $1500 PER TICKET to see Hanna Montana lipsync for an hour and forty minutes.

A 3 day trip to Disney for the family costs between $1800 and $3000, depending on where you stay and how you get there.

The Governor of NY just got busted dropping $4000/hr on some hooker.



:lol: You can ALWAYS find people paying stupidER prices for stupidER things.

Anyways... each has to make there own decision. The facts:

- stage 1 is smoother
- stage 1 is noticeably but not overwhelmingly torquier in the low midrange
- ap2 can do live data, code reading, antitheft/valet maps
- stage 1 is supposedly a reliable, conservative, non-damaging tune that can still pass smog
- you can legitimately put COBB sticker on your car
- it's cool

You decide if that's worth shelling out $700 for that.

Whats this talk of breaking gears with stg2? Do you know how to drive stick? Do you plan on doing burnouts with your car?:) Are you constantly going to dump your clutch? I drive a Bugeye and Im pretty sure your 07 has a stronger tranny, but mine is fine and dandy. I have about 70k and ive drag raced it numerous times and i still autox it...i was fully catless at one point with a full 3inch turbo back and uppipe so i think you will be fine. I never had stage 2 but I think our transmission are a little stronger hehe not to mention ive seen wrxs with more power on stock trannies.


Back on topic. Ive always wanted to buy an AP, but my car is pretty much stock now as im broke. I think it is worth it, bc if u plan on going to stg2 then its 700 you don't have to pay for later and it has a fairly high resale value.

Sorry to go off topic there:)

Its the 2.5L making 300+ lb/ft of Torque at Stage 2 combined with the new 3.70 final drive that is stressing/breaking the 3rd gear on 06/07 WRX trannies. Once you start pushing 300 and above torque on the WRX trans, things can get dicey. While it does lie mostly on the driver, it does begin pushing the mechanical limits of the gears.

Notice how (practically) everyone saying "AP is worth it" justifies it with "when you go to Stage 2".

And the title of this thread is "AP worth it for just Stage 1?"

The OP specifically says, "I plan on going stage 2 when I have the extra money for gears"

The OP specifically says, "I plan on going stage 2 when I have the extra money for gears"

True, but from everything he's posted so far, I got the impression that was a huge IF.

At any rate, I do agree with people that if you know you'll go stage 2 eventually then it's a no brainer.

I can tell you from experience that my 06 didn't get a bit faster when i was stage one for a few days. Don't worry so much about your gears, i have been protuned on a vf39 for 20 thousand miles. Don't bang third, its the only gear i have ever heard to break in an 06.

^Not to hijack this thread...

Thanks for the input, I hope to do it after I get my suspension components all set. I am just worried that my crappy shifting, from when I was learning to drive stick in the car, will have banged up the gears a bit and the added torque from stage 2 on a 3rd gear pull will destroy them...

Ok... +1 notch in favor of "it's worth it"... I found out that COBB has been given rudimentary data logging support to the AP2 cable with ecuExplorer. Considering that the Tactrix cable costs $80-96, that's more value the AP2 is providing.

http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36743

Now I'll see if I can get it to work. If so... $700 was worth it to me.

It is worth it! The AP is just a nice user-friendly way to reflash the car and you pay for the convenience and reliability (many other users before you). My gut feeling is you will go Stage 1 and want more so you will be Stage 2 someday and that means it will be worth it. We all ahve the same disease. These things are very flexible for all the mods you might do in the future and someone already has a map for you somewhere. $700 to much, come on you spend more on beer, pizza, wings etc over a few months. I am Stage 1 and it was worth it.

so...the extra $500 is because i am dumb and would find it hard to use OS? that sucks...i wish i wasn't so dumb.

i had some thoughts last night...i don't think i will be able to stop at Stage 1 anything...now i just have to find a lap top or desk top that i can use!?!?!!

This thread is very exciting, as I stare at the door waiting for Fex-Ex. My Stage 1 AP should be here in hours, I feel better about the 700$ after reading all this :)

so...the extra $500 is because i am dumb and would find it hard to use OS? that sucks...i wish i wasn't so dumb.

i had some thoughts last night...i don't think i will be able to stop at Stage 1 anything...now i just have to find a lap top or desk top that i can use!?!?!!

Not necessarily because someone is "dumb". But there is a lot of value in ease of use (read: TIME), dummy proof (read: brain fart proof), and packaged into simplicity.

Especially as we all get older, time becomes more valuable than just money. For me, it was "AP2 or nothing". That's different from "AP2 vs Tactrix/OS". I liked the fact that if I bricked my car with AP2, COBB would be there to help me unbrick it. With OS, you gotta rely on the goodness of teh internets.

For the price of an AP new, $700 + tax I say no. Finding one used for $500-$600 stage 1 is worth it. I just recently bought one for $550 and it makes the car much smoother. Not as jerky in 1st gear and shifts are a lot smoother. Could be the drop down in revs between shifts are lower as someone stated before, I dont know. Havent had it long enough to feel the power increase though

Of course it depends how you are financially too. If you have $500 to spend then go for it

Good point donnie, first gear is definitely a lot smoother. Also, the jerking at low RPMs in first gear is almost non-existent now. The best money I've spent on my car yet.

it is worth it, the stage one programming is a bit smoother. also, if you are using a 93 octane map and happen to travel to an area where only 91 octane is available, just flash the 91 octane realtime map.

I like the flexibility of being able to change between the stage maps (for 91 and 93 octane) and having valet maps for the kiddie mechanics at the shops.

if you don't think it is worth it, sell it. try it and see if you like it, asking on here will get you 8 million opinions covering the whole spectrum.

I installed mine last night, can really see a difference. Running Perrin Stage 1 map on 93oct. Was worth $700 :)

To be honest, I couldn't tell the difference between stage 1 and stock. Now that I'm stage 2, I'm still not satisfied and I'm contemplating selling my AP and picking up a tatrix cable.

Thanks for all the input guys. I'm getting one and I'll just be keeping it at Stage 1 for some time until I go Stage 2. I *do* plan on going Stage 2 sometime in the future, but I didn't want to buy the AP just to say "Well, this sucks but I'll go Stage 2 someday". From what I've been reading here and other places, more people see a nice difference with Stage 1 than not, so I'll take my chances. I'll even love the smoothed out low rev operation since it seems like I'm always bouncing around in first gear in parking lots and stuff.

I wish I had a laptop so I could just flash Stage 1 cheaply and forget about it until I'm ready for Stage 2, but I'm always capable of messing something up and spending hours doing a simple 10 minute thing. :)

I also plan on mounting the AP via velcro somewhere in the car so I can check out the different data it monitors. No need for extra gauges now.

Mike

One more thought for some future reader who may be on the fence: Is the (arguable) slight increase in performance at Stage 1 worth possibly nullifying the warranty on your ECU? Is stock really that bad?

For me to risk the warranty on an 8 month old car the gain in performance must be significant (i.e., Stage 2).

One more thought for some future reader who may be on the fence: Is the (arguable) slight increase in performance at Stage 1 worth possibly nullifying the warranty on your ECU? Is stock really that bad?

For me to risk the warranty on an 8 month old car the gain in performance must be significant (i.e., Stage 2).

A well tuned Stage 1 is really noticeable, and makes is really worth it. Makes it feel the way it should from factory.

A well tuned Stage 1 is really noticeable, and makes is really worth it. Makes it feel the way it should from factory.

"Well-tuned stage 1" meaning in addition to buying the Cobb AP you have to go get it tuned?

Would it be more noticeable than putting that tuning money towards getting a DP and going Stage 2?

Did he buy it yet?

"Well-tuned stage 1" meaning in addition to buying the Cobb AP you have to go get it tuned?

Would it be more noticeable than putting that tuning money towards getting a DP and going Stage 2?

Some drivers want to keep things all stock without upgrading.
So, yes, a protune would be worth it.

assuming stage I can break hard parts...then no it's not worth it.
when my car was 8months old...i had the same thoughts as you...but now it's over 1 year old, i'm starting to think otherwise...

then today...while in traffic...i said...WHEN THE HECK WILL I USE STAGE II in all this mess...and then i looked around at all the baller cars and said...by the time i get to stage ii, my car will only be marginally faster than other cars since they make them so fast outta box now...sigh...modding then becomes a journey...

life stinks...

One more thought for some future reader who may be on the fence: Is the (arguable) slight increase in performance at Stage 1 worth possibly nullifying the warranty on your ECU? Is stock really that bad?

For me to risk the warranty on an 8 month old car the gain in performance must be significant (i.e., Stage 2).

Unless your car is defective out of the factory, just don't drive like an asshat.

To the OP,

Go for the AP. Use it for stage 1. If you get the bug go to stage 2 or beyond. This is not some mod that gets welded onto your car and loses almost all of it's value the moment you add it to your vehicle. One of the best parts about the Access Port is that you can unmarry it from you car and sell it at a minimal loss. I think it is the BEST bang for the buck mod you can buy. Use it, love it, and if you sell the car or need money in a pinch then sell the AP. After I sold my 05 Legacy GT I put my AP on e-bay it was sold with a "buy it now" auction 45 minutes after I posted it for $75 less then I paid for it. Easy choice in my book.

Dan P

I agree with dan0025 I have a AP v1 for MY04 WRX I am running stage 1 93. The car ran so much better after i married the ap to it. It smoothed out the power. The power was a lot more perdictable. You will like it. Then if you get the bug you can go stage 2 without to much trouble. Then when you sell the car unmarrie the ap sell it and get most of your money back. Win win.

Doug

I should add that I removed the AP a week ago in order to bring my car in for service at the dealer :p I forgot how much I couldn't stand the car w/ out the Stage 1 map. I re-installed it while at work just so that I didn't have to drive it home that way. Its a completely different car.

Thanks for all the input. Well, I bought a V2 Accessport, hoping to flash to Stage 1. You may have seen my other thread, but I tried to update the AP firmware with the old dongle. Luckily for me, the AP didn't freeze partway through a flash. Anyway, I'm waiting for the dongle to come back in the next couple days before I can *finally* try out Stage 1. I can't wait. :)

To hijack my own thread for a second (hah), I've read that all you need for Stage 2 is no cat in the downpipe. So, can I safely just gut my own downpipe without getting a noisy TBE? I realize that would be more like Stage 1.5 because of the restriction, but I can always move to a higher flow downpipe and/or TBE.

We don't have emissions testing in my county yet, but we have to pass a visual inspection, i.e. if the car came with four cats, it has to have four cats on it, even if they're all hollowed out. That means mine would still pass with the gutted DP. My next question would be if the remaining cats will control emissions enough to pass a typical non-CA test. I'm not familiar at all with emissions testing other than visual, so bear with me on this one please. :)

Mike

I'm sure its been covered here, but here goes anyway.

IMO, the AP isn't worth it at all. Especially with free/cheap LC for Open Source.

If you have a laptop, Tactrix cables are $80 dollars and there are free stage 1 and 2 maps available for most cars. If you need something special, ask around.

Need a protune? Not a problem, plenty are familiar or willing to use Open Source.

I may be the only one who feels this way, but I do not think Stage 1 is worth the $700. I actually preferred stock to Stage 1. Stage 1 may be smoother or more linear but that translated to "feels slower." It is not much faster than stock, but with stock you get that late turbo rush that deceives you into feeling like you're going fast.

Stage 2, however, is totally worth it. I'd just wait and go from stock to Stage 2 all at once. I had actually planned to run it at Stage 1 for awhile but I was so disappointed in it that I went ahead and popped for the downpipe to get to Stage 2.

I have an 07 with the 2.5L motor.

he hit it on the spot ... actually feels slower now but more smoother. i only spent 325 for my v1 tho .. def dont spend 700 on new v2

i'm amazed at how many people think cobb stage2 can break gears..... or maybe you guys just drive crazier than I think.

I'm sure its been covered here, but here goes anyway.

IMO, the AP isn't worth it at all. Especially with free/cheap LC for Open Source.

If you have a laptop, Tactrix cables are $80 dollars and there are free stage 1 and 2 maps available for most cars. If you need something special, ask around.

Need a protune? Not a problem, plenty are familiar or willing to use Open Source.My preference would be laptop+tactrix+opensource, but I don't have a laptop nor do I have access to one for borrowing. By the time I buy a half decent laptop that I trust, the cost evens out.

he hit it on the spot ... actually feels slower now but more smoother. i only spent 325 for my v1 tho .. def dont spend 700 on new v2I wish I could get a v1, but 2007 WRX = v2 only. I got mine under $600 used in new condition, so it's not all bad. I already have it mounted in the car so I can check out the realtime data.

Mike

i'm amazed at how many people think cobb stage2 can break gears..... or maybe you guys just drive crazier than I think.

What rock have you been living under?

SEVERAL 3rd gears have broken at stock or stage 2, while cruising, including my own.

I'll admit I'm hard on cars, and transmissions, but its 3rd gear... a fast shift isn't even remotely stressful as a fast 1-2.

Its a combo of cheap metal, bad syncro design that causes gear failure, and a 3.7 final adding more stress to a bandaid-ed 20 year old transmission.

I spent 700 on a v2 AP thinking that I wouldn't go stage 2, then I ended up doing it. I loved it even after stage one, I felt a power change. But other people said to get v1, but i don't think that is smart becuase then you don't get any of the benifits of the updates and stuff. If you have read I think they are comming out with a firmware upgrade that will have a "dyno" built into it. I think that is worth it.

Stage One is def worth it! I reflashed yesterday and it made a huge difference imo, the car drives a lot smoother and I feel a decent power increase, the car pulls a lot harder than stock and is keeping a smile on my face now. I had a supercharged cobalt before that would rape a stock wrx and now at stage one I think it would be a completely different story :banana:

I'll admit I'm hard on cars, and transmissions.

quit your bitching. that line says everything.

if you broke your tranny at just stage2 without a protune, then you sir suck at driving. if you break your gears while CRUISING, that means the gears have been weakened due to previous abuse. Gears don't just break when you cruise at stage2, they break when the driver can't drive.

and yes i wouldn't doubt that people break their gears at stock levels too, because look at what people do to their cars, learn how to drive and that won't happen

LOLz....

i totally agree...not with the part about sucking at driving but the part about the tranny being busted up from being hard on it...and just happened to go out while cruising.

I installed mine last night, can really see a difference. Running Perrin Stage 1 map on 93oct. Was worth $700 :)

Hi Shakur45!
I take it you bought your Cobb AP at Perrin. They say the'll include a Speacilly Tuned Mapping ($180.00 value) free if you buy the AP from them. I assume you are running one of these maps. I can see you are satisfied.

I'm also not a 100% sure I'll buy it. I do like the fact that you can see boost, fuel consumption(actual & avg) and codes, ect.

My roomate has a stock STI, and he has the AP. He told me I would not regret the purchase. Now, his car is already a beast from hell :)

I was going to order it at Perrin... But I'm not fully convinced. I have an 08wrx, and I have not noticed any roughness in first gear. Maybe I'm used to driving my car. I drive it smooth and fast. Even when I take off. I wonder if the AP can make that, better.

Anyone with 08 AP's? Feedback please.
Does the Perrin Stage 1 map is THAT good?

Thanks everybody!

OMG, did you guys see this:

http://www.perrinperformance.com/pages/show/68

"Our base runs we did showed a peak of 210WHP and 245ft-lbs of tq. I thought this seemed a little high. High enough i had to go back on the internet to see what Subaru rated the 08 WRX in HP and TQ. No its the same, 224HP and 226ft-lbs at 2800 RPM. Did Subaru under rate this car? Given the WHP and TQ we saw, if you compare it to our STI's base readings, it makes the STI's 245WHP and 275ft-lbs not look so good. With all the dyno numbers we have seen on stock STIs (rated at 300HP) The 245WHP range has been exceptable as equaling 300 engine HP. So if 240-ish means 300 engine HP, what does, 210WHP mean in engine HP?? Surely not 224HP!"

"We first flashed the ECU with Cobb's Stage 1 map. Boost went up to 15psi, and tapered back down to 8-9-is at redline. The increase in boost at peak torque (3500RPM) made for an extra 20ft-lbs of torque, and 25WHP at 3500. As you can see, power at redline didn't change, because the boost was the same.
Now it was time to play! With some AVCS tweaking, adding a little more boost, changing boost response, you see what kind of results we got! At 3000 RPM, 65ft-lbs of torque over stock mapping, and at the same point we made 35 extra HP. The biggest gain we got was at lower RPM where the tiny WRX turbo is happy. At upper RPM, the turbo shows its small nature. The boost drops off after 4000 RPM and there is nothing you can do about it."



Is this just to "sell" their Perrin maps included on the Cobb AP?

Has anyone ran a dyno on a 08 WRX other than Perrin?
This sounds too good to be true...
If this is true, I'm ordering Perrin's Cobb AP tomorrow!

Hey bro, yea that looks good. You will love the AP it is just awesome.

It sounds waaaaaayy too good...

Wow, my first double post ever... sorry...

Okay, now that I've had a couple weeks to try the AP out and let the car's ECU get accustomed to things, I can say that I feel pretty justified paying $600 (used) for just Stage 1 so far. In power alone, it feels like a significant gain on my car. I compared a stock mode (realtime) pull to a Stage 1, 93 octane pull back to back, and the difference is very obvious to me.

I remember people saying that their cars actually felt slower because of the smoother power delivery, but mine feels blatantly quicker above about 2500 rpms. I love it so far. :)

I took the car's OBDII port "shroud" plastic off of the connector itself so I could keep it under the steering column cover since my knees were hitting the dongle when I was driving. I have the AP mounted to the left center vent via a Bracketron iPod holder, which seems to work pretty well. I like the fact that I can monitor data on the AP with a quick glance.

Just my mini review now that I have the dongle back from Cobb and everything in working order.

i just got mines not too long ago as well.
i know guys who have gone stage I via open source...and said they didn't feel any difference. actually while riding in their cars i didn't feel the difference...who knows...maybe an ultra-smooth power curve or something.
i can totally tell the difference on my stage I...much more pick up and rev faster before 3K, no flat spot then sudden power delivery at 3k like stock...

feels great...now i just need a DP with 2 high flow cats on it...sigh...

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I thought that this string would be as good as any to ask this question
What exactly classifies stage 2?
Right now I have an intake, cat back exhaust and I am about to install a downpie with high flow cat. Does that class as a stage2? I also have the access port v2 coming in the mail?
Next does anyone have any hard numbers of torque and hp increase when they went to stage 2 with the access port?

for hard #'s check the bragging HP section.
stage 2 = downpipe and EM at the very least so yes you will be at stage 2 with your downpipe and AP.
if you aren't 3" all the through then your HP gain won't be as much as if you had 3" TBE all the way through, but will still be stage 2 nonetheless.

Like Dan said, an Accessport is an excellent investment. While the gains in power aren't huge, the improvements in drivability are immediately noticeable. On a 2007 STi an accessport is almost required to deal with the crappy factory tune.

I had the same problem until I found out the price difference between AP $500 used compared $70 tactrix cable + $52 tuned map. It's really easy to do, kinda sux you don't have a laptop you could use.
i have on 08 wrx, have cat-back, planning on going to stage 2 when i get my dp. i have a laptop, so thats all i have to get? i dont need to get an accessport? would getting a new inlet hose be helpful also?

if you go with open source then you don't need to get an AP.

AP is like a handheld laptop just for your car.

most people get AP because it's not as complicated to use as open source tuning, which requires a laptop and a tactrix cable.

i didn't notice a change at all in stage 1 but i only drove my car 500 miles before i put it on then had TBE in the next 200.

Hi Shakur45!
I take it you bought your Cobb AP at Perrin. They say the'll include a Speacilly Tuned Mapping ($180.00 value) free if you buy the AP from them. I assume you are running one of these maps. I can see you are satisfied.

I'm also not a 100% sure I'll buy it. I do like the fact that you can see boost, fuel consumption(actual & avg) and codes, ect.

My roomate has a stock STI, and he has the AP. He told me I would not regret the purchase. Now, his car is already a beast from hell :)

I was going to order it at Perrin... But I'm not fully convinced. I have an 08wrx, and I have not noticed any roughness in first gear. Maybe I'm used to driving my car. I drive it smooth and fast. Even when I take off. I wonder if the AP can make that, better.

Anyone with 08 AP's? Feedback please.
Does the Perrin Stage 1 map is THAT good?

Thanks everybody!

Where does Perrin say you get one of their maps for free if you buy the AP from them??

I may be the only one who feels this way, but I do not think Stage 1 is worth the $700. I actually preferred stock to Stage 1. Stage 1 may be smoother or more linear but that translated to "feels slower." It is not much faster than stock, but with stock you get that late turbo rush that deceives you into feeling like you're going fast.

Stage 2, however, is totally worth it. I'd just wait and go from stock to Stage 2 all at once. I had actually planned to run it at Stage 1 for awhile but I was so disappointed in it that I went ahead and popped for the downpipe to get to Stage 2.

I have an 07 with the 2.5L motor.


Smart man, I feel the same way. You may have 7% more horsepower but it's so evenly distributed you don't get that liftoff feeling.

Ok, so I tried to get my own question answered but I obviously wasn't specific enough in my question.

So far it appears as though if you purchase and AP through Perrin you get the Perrin stage 1 map for free. If this is the case, it would make buying through Perrin a very attractive option.

Edit: It looks like this is only the case with 08 sti's. On Perrin's site it says that for a limited time they will include a Perrin map if you buy an AP. However, this notice only shows up on the AP listed under 08 sti and not under the other years.

Ok, so I tried to get my own question answered but I obviously wasn't specific enough in my question.

So far it appears as though if you purchase and AP through Perrin you get the Perrin stage 1 map for free. If this is the case, it would make buying through Perrin a very attractive option.

Edit: It looks like this is only the case with 08 sti's. On Perrin's site it says that for a limited time they will include a Perrin map if you buy an AP. However, this notice only shows up on the AP listed under 08 sti and not under the other years.

It's been about four months and I still have not recieved a stage one map from perrin for my 08 WRX.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

"Justin,
That is correct if you purchase the AP from PERRIN you will be able to get our free MAP as well as the COBB MAP's.

If you would like to place an order just let me know"

i'm planning on going stage 1, it seems worth it to me

i'm planning on going stage 1, it seems worth it to me

Only get an accessport if you are planning on eventually going stage 2. +7% horsepower is not noticeable and is definitely not worth $700.

is something wrong with the 08 WRX? i have it on my 06 and the change was/is night and day.

going stage ii this week...but i think it's worth it for just stage i, assuming that you don't pay the $700 price tag...i can see maybe max...$500.

I just installed the stage 1 93 oct map on my 08 sti and I was VERY impressed with the perforance,there is a noticable difference in power. The gains are still in the regular power band (@ 4000 give or take a little). I am now a strong advocate of the COBB AP and can't wait to go stage 2 and further.

I just installed stage 1 map on 03 wrx and I'm pretty pleased. I'm exited to drive my car every day now, haven't had that feeling since I first bought it a couple of years ago. So to me its worth that feeling again. After I get used to this i will probably get a downpipe and go to stage2 which makes it even more worth it. The live engine stats are pretty cool too.

is something wrong with the 08 WRX? i have it on my 06 and the change was/is night and day.


From what I understand and have read, the 08 WRX came with very wide torque distribution in the first place, kind of like the AP does for any other wrx. So it's less noticable on the 08 becuase it came that way.

Someone mentioned this before, but it was news to me, so let me just ask again: is stage II going to cause problems w/ my tranny b/c of increased torque, etc?

Someone mentioned this before, but it was news to me, so let me just ask again: is stage II going to cause problems w/ my tranny b/c of increased torque, etc?


That's up to you. It really depends only upon how you drive/abuse it.

yea...it's driver dependent...

don't bang your gears, load them up before going wot...watch your shifts...nice and smooth...and it should last...but if you bang on them all day long with lots of shock load...then look into a six speed swap.

i just got done with dp install, now running stage 2, but no time to test...just installed then came to work...let's see how it is compared to stage 1...

Stage 1 and Stage 2 can be very deceiving when it comes to the "butt dyno". Stage 1 just seemed to take out hesitation issues present on the stock ECU. Stage 2 will see the reduced lag in turbo spool up and an even more linear surge in power. The car will feel like it wants to rev but at the same time, you wont be getting the "wall" of power that a stock or stage 1 car gets. (Wait wait wait wait, ok here comes the turbo). While the delay in power will make the car feel faster at stock and stg1, take a look at the speedo and you quickly realize you are going a lot faster then you think you are while at stage 2 even though it may not feel like it.

tested tonight on my way home...stage 2 is much faster, like scary fast...and yes, it does seem like the car just pulls and pulls, but i think i like around town drivability of stage 1 faster. it seemed torquier below 3K.

i WOT in 2nd coming out of a corner, it scared me...muahaaahahhha

im sure someone already told you to do this but got to cobb's site and look at the dyno charts...if you haven't already, it will give you an idea of how stage 1 will feel. You get a nice little boost of tq at around 3k rpm as opposed to 3600+ rpm not much hp increases though. It is smoother at stage 1 and its supposedly more efficient..so its entirely up to you...stage 2? totally worth it. I actually considering going opensource and selling the ap.

tested tonight on my way home...stage 2 is much faster, like scary fast...and yes, it does seem like the car just pulls and pulls, but i think i like around town drivability of stage 1 faster. it seemed torquier below 3K.

i WOT in 2nd coming out of a corner, it scared me...muahaaahahhha

Try some casual acceleration in 5th gear on the freeway. I was amazed at the difference stage 2 made at cruising speeds on the freeway. The first few days on the freeway I would give it some gas to pass and without realizing it would be passing at 85 or 90. :lol:

The fact that you can putter around at 2k to 3k rpm and still have usable power is an awesome bonus as well. Nobody will think twice about your car (especially since you have a wagon), but when you hit it hard in 2nd or 3rd to pass or get into a new lane will open some eyes.

I for one bought the AP2 with the intent of never going past stage 1. For now, I'm not.

But now that stage 2 is just a turbo back away, I'm tempted to go that route. Must... resist...

LOL...yea passing in 5th is NO PROBLEMO...except for the MPH i would be at when i complete the pass...

chim...DO IT! i said the same thing as you when i went stage 1...

the gas savings you'll get from going stage 2 will pay for itself...in like 10 years...but it eventually does right? hahahha...

you can just get a used cobb dp for about 300...i got one from millenium auto for 275 shipped!

I just got 24.5mpg out of my last tank at stage 2 and that is half city, half freeday driving. Get yourself a boost gauge and stay out as much as you can and you will notice a nice gain in MPG.

I still rip through the gears at least once a day, so I know I could get better mileage, but I bought the car to have fun in. Getting decent MPG is just an awesome bonus.

24.5 mpg with one WOT per day pretty much? that's pretty good!

i'm pu$$yfooting it right now and staying out of boost to see what i can get...i know it's still the first tank with Stage 2 so i'll give it some more time for the ecu to learn.

we jacking this thread to a stage 2 thread...HAHHAHAHA

I just got my APv2 today and just have stage 1 running currently, but plan on going stage 2 in the near future.

Is it worth it just for stage 1? I'd say yes. Maybe I don't mind blowing the money, but I noticed a big difference, in a very good way. Then though my car is my hobby and I don't mind spending money frivolously on her.

Where does Perrin say you get one of their maps for free if you buy the AP from them??

Visit the Perrin website, and scroll down on the AP. Select the "included items" tap and voila!

here is the link:
http://www.perrinperformance.com/products/show/416/AccessPORT-08-WRX-STi-NEW-?category=43&model=23

not to reserect a dead thread but i just loaded stage 1 on my 07 tr and the difference is way more than i expected from the prior posts. It is like night and day in terms of boost. As for not having your head kick back becasue it is too smooth. I think maybe you should make sure that you loaded the correct map to your car. It has more kick than the stock for sure. WORTH THE MONEY! By the way I am not going to stage 2. I will be getting the car protuned however locally by crbd in york. Get a little more and have the conveinece of the AP. I know, tactrix and a laptop but that is too much of a headache for me. By the way the gagues are pretty cool as well. Take care and go stage 1.

Worth it just for stage 1? Yes, you can use Stage 1 time as time to do other mods, like the suspension. Then go to Stage 2, I did it last week and Stage2 power is exactly the kind of power I want out of this car.

worth it 100%.my 08 wrx has the perrin stage 1 91 octane and its a completly different car now.throttle response is better.spools much harder and quicker.best is the mileage went up about 1 mpg on average.i love it!!

Stage 1 is totally worth it. It'll tide you over until you get a DP and go stage 2 which is just awesome. But AP Stage1 on the 07 is no joke, its rated at 300 lb/ft. Thats a 28% increase over stock and a pretty big kick in the pants.

Just to put that into perspective, Stage 2 on the 2.0 liters is 31% over stock (285 lb ft.) and people rave about that.

Well since meatling had to go and dig up my old thread, I thought I'd post a little update or something. :lol:

I'm still running stage 1 93 octane in my '07 and I feel that it's a touch stronger since I flashed it a few months ago. I'm definitely not getting used to or desensitized to the power or anything. I've also gained approximately 5 mpg, but I have to test that a little more. Overall I'd say it was worth the $500 I spent on it (used). If I would have paid the $680 or whatever they're charging for it new, I would hesitate to say it was worth it. Definitely look for a used one.

Anyway, I may still go stage 2 sometime, but for now I think tires will be my next upgrade.

Stage 1 is worth it because it allows you to safely run higher boost numbers, which is where most of that power comes from.

I recently bought an AP2 and installed stage 1 a day ago. Over just a few miles I can already feel the difference. I am always wary of the placebo effect, so my expectations were low. I did not expect a huge boost in overall power, just a little more torque a little sooner. As it turns out the map not only smoothed out the jerky power delivery of my car (not talking about the turbo surge, when it would come on it would be unsmooth in certain situations) but the car pulls harder from lower in the RPM band. This means that I can now roll through turns in 2nd at lower speeds without lugging it, 3rd gear is more useful between 25-40mph, and 4th gear is happier cruising at 40mph.

I have not had time obviously to calculate fuel economy, I will report back next fortnight with that info.

Is it worth the money just for Stage 1? I thought about it a lot, and I bought the AP knowing I could either stay stage 1 if I'm happy or go stage 2. I feel like while I am totally stoked about the new powerband, I am also ready for more total power, so stage 2 it is. But in the meantime I am thoroughly pleased and this will hold me over till I can save up a bit of cash for the downpipe.

Just flashed to stage one a few days ago. Seems to get better by the day. Power delivery is really smooth. no more spike around 5000. just goes =]


ps I noticed first day I was only hitting 13.5 psi in 4th. two days later I am hitting 14.8 psi in 3rd gear. seems the ecu is adapting well.

I've been at stage 1 for about a month now and couldn't be happier. My brother has a stock 06 wrx and he immedietly felt the difference and always wants to drive my car. Plus 5th gear pulls way harder at 15psi as oppose to stock 6-7.

i flash stage 1 maybe 3 weeks ago and love it. the power increase is noticable and pulls harder. worth it for just stage 1? for me i would say yes. the AP works for me because i dont know how to tune my own car and will not be getting a pro tune anytime soon(maybe not ever). i like the live data feature because i dont have any gauges yet so it is nice to make sure everthing is working right. was it worth my 400 bucks i paid for my barely used AP v2 oh yes it was.

I'm running a stage 1 tune in my 08. The car drives 100X's better. I will be going stage 2 once I get some more miles/parts.

I went with a "protune" stage 1 map from Clark Turner, and I have to say that it's probably the best thing with a stock exhaust since sliced bread. I'm also trying out a PDX stage 1 map over the weekend...either one is a bit stronger than Cobb's map in pretty much every situation, with more peak boost to boot.

So in this case I would say yes Stage 1 is certainly worth it as a stand alone mod even on the 06-07 cars if you get an upgraded map.

I wonder how it would stage 1 run with an SPT CB? Would it help, or be detrimental?

It's worth it, you get a few cool things with it and you can get a ProTune with it- Stage 2 or even stage 1 you can tell a huge difference in response... and you can set it to save gas!

I wonder how it would stage 1 run with an SPT CB? Would it help, or be detrimental?

A cat-back exhaust is still considered Stage 1, so it probably would have little to no impact on it.

I ran stage 1 for a week and wasn't satisfied. However, I did notice more low end power + it drove more smoother.

Go to Stage 2 if you want your money's worth.:banana:

Plus: You won't get ticketed for "modified" with stage 1.

I ran stage 1 for a week and wasn't satisfied. However, I did notice more low end power + it drove more smoother.

Go to Stage 2 if you want your money's worth.:banana:


Totally agree with joe, it's worth it until you go to Stage 2, then your like wow i was missing out :devil:

90% of the posts in here are:

"It's worth it for stage 1, but make sure you go to stage 2". Seven hundred bucks can go so much further than the 5% horsepower gains of stage one. I'm going to have to disagree with all of you and say it's not worth it. Spend the money elseware, unless, like most people assert, you are eventually going to stage 2.

the perrin maps feel much better than the cobb maps.tried them both in my car.more boost with the perrin also.

Just picked up a AP for my 07wrx today. Anywhere to get free trusted maps to use other than Cobbs?? Interested in Stage 1 at the moment, 3 inch hks hipower catback is all im running right now.

Now that I've had stage 1 for about a year now... with no plans to go stage 2:

It's worth $350.

Just picked up a AP for my 07wrx today. Anywhere to get free trusted maps to use other than Cobbs?? Interested in Stage 1 at the moment, 3 inch hks hipower catback is all im running right now.

If you pay a little extra from Perrin and PDX Tuning they send the AP with their improved maps. The PDX map is definitely better than COBB (tried it after the CT map, ended up staying with CT), can't testify concerning the Perrin Maps though.

^^ yeah i saw that, but I've already picked up a used AP for pretty cheap.

STG 2 generally is considered a full turbo-back. I can technically DL the SG2 maps from the AP2 and just be ok. I only ask that cause I already have a full turbo-back.

As a mechanically-challenged noob who just went stage 1 on his first WRX, I'd thought I'd weigh in.

I bought my AP for my '08 WRX from Perrin, and think it was a great purchase. The car feels completely different with the Perrin stage 1 map - according to Perrin, it provides an extra 25-30 whp. Being a paranoid noob, when I took my WRX in for the turbo oil inlet recall service, I uninstalled my AP and the difference back to stock was very, very noticable. I'd say it is almost an essential purchase.

The nice thing about the AP (besides being brain-dead easy) is that the cost doesn't "sink" into your car - you can always uninstall it with the click of a button and sell it, or when you get a new car bring it over to that one. The extra features like real-time gauges are gravy as well.

If you are seriously going to Mod in the Future, a AP is a must . Im at Stage 5 Billion and couldnt ask for a better tuning tool .

STG 2 generally is considered a full turbo-back. I can technically DL the SG2 maps from the AP2 and just be ok. I only ask that cause I already have a full turbo-back.

All you need is the AP and a downpipe thats it for stage 2

I used Stage 1 for my 02 WRX for about five moths. I didn't realize how much of a difference it made until I switched it back to stock to take it into a shop. It's a huge improvement! But lets' not forget what else the AP can do for you, I now switch maps between a custom 91 and a custom E85 as well as check my milage, do benchmark power tests, and even better, read and clear CEL's. Plus, with the 2.5's you know have launch control and flat foot shift maps, both of which I am quite jealous about. The AP is definitely a useful tool that is worth the money.

I'll reverse the question... I may not think $700 is "worth it" just for stage 1... however at the same time I refuse to sell my AP2 and go back to stock.

Is it worth it to get a used AP. Is it possible? I heard different.

First day with AP on my 08 STI. I tried COBB stage 1 map for 93 octane. The car feels smoother at all RPM and stronger at higher revs. It is a keeper for me.

I plan on going stage 2 and custom tune later on.

Mike