I finally got some time to put together the video of our 2008 STi at the track equipped only with our STAGE 1 (http://www.automasteramr.com) Package (http://www.automasteramr.com). Better driving and I could have got a better E.T.. I need to work on my 60ft's.



Numbers
Dyno: Dyno Dynamics
Tuner: Auto Master AMR (http://www.automasteramr.com/)
Wheel HP: 270whp (stock 201whp)
Wheel TQ: 290wtq (stock 225wtq)


Car Info
Year: 2008
Engine Management: COBB APv2 tuned by AMR
Turbo: STOCK
Intercooler: STOCK
Injectors: STOCK
Intake/Inlet: AMR BMI Cold Air System (http://www.automasterofwestchester.com/store.php?product_id=886)
Headers: STOCK
Uppipe: STOCK
Downpipe: STOCK
CBE: STOCK
Other Power Mods: STOCK


Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B4tVmOv2gg



-Rob
www.automasteramr.com (http://www.automasteramr.com)

Pretty sweet for a stage one tune! I'm starting to like these 08's more everyday

Was this on Pump? Or with race gas like some of your other tunes?

Was this on Pump? Or with race gas like some of your other tunes?


93 Octane


-Rob

you pulled the e-cutout? What type of suspension do have on that car now?

Post up the slip.

12.96 @108-109...

:o you prob want 60 ft times, 1/8 trap, 1/8 et

You gained 70 whp with a tune and an intake?? Ermmm....

You gained 70 whp with a tune and an intake?? Ermmm....

Yes. Our S1 package gives you a 60-70whp increase. There are plenty of threads regarding this.

Here are a couple:

1) Customer: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1470257&highlight=amr

2) Another Customer: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1472782&highlight=amr

3) BMI Tested in Puerto Rico: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1487325&highlight=amr


Etc.. Etc... Etc...


-Rob
www.automasteramr.com (http://www.automasteramr.com)


you pulled the e-cutout? What type of suspension do have on that car now?


Stock Suspension. This was before the E-CUT.


-Rob

You don't want to post the slip? You guys are always shady with something....

You don't want to post the slip? You guys are always shady with something....


Shady? hmm. I wouldnt call consistant track times, identical customer track times, videos, timeslips, etc... shady. Would you?

The video should say it all. Especially since the vehicle is always at our facility and everyone knows anyone is always welcome to come and visit us.


-Rob
www.automasteramr.com (http://www.automasteramr.com)

:cough:

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/vendor-announcements-project-buildups/115165-amr-2008-sti-first-12s.html


:cough:















***** dont add up

:cough:

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/vendor-announcements-project-buildups/115165-amr-2008-sti-first-12s.html


:cough:

***** dont add up


You dont follow our threads?

This is the thread you are referring to: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1467436&highlight=amr

The thread you posted was the dyno numbers with those other mods. The video posted was just a stage 1.


-Rob
www.automasteramr.com (http://www.automasteramr.com)

:cough:

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/vendor-announcements-project-buildups/115165-amr-2008-sti-first-12s.html


:cough:


***** dont add up


ugh do some research before making a comment! (typical nasioc)

I hate when people dont know and are automatically ready to start problems.



NICE VIDEO ROB!

I LOVE THAT SONG BY THE WAY!

ugh do some research before making a comment! (typical nasioc)
I hate when people dont know and are automatically ready to start problems.
NICE VIDEO ROB!
I LOVE THAT SONG BY THE WAY!
Yeap, that's NASIOC where every success has to be discredited.

how much boost is this stage 1 running?

on my list of things to get! :D but not until autox season is over (late Sept).

I guess the 08's are just that much faster than the 04-07's? It usually takes quit a bit to put an earlier year in the mid 12's.

I guess the 08's are just that much faster than the 04-07's? It usually takes quit a bit to put an earlier year in the mid 12's.


Mid 12's? didn't it run a 12.96 I believe a stock STI could almost pull that off. Where's the timeslip cause that didn't look like a 108-109MPH Run. Maybe timing error?

What does max timing and AFRs look like with this tune?

Does the tune require running your intake?

Does the tune require running your intake?


Yes. Everything in the map has been scaled, calibrated and tuned to run the intake system.


-Rob
www.automasteramr.com (http://www.automasteramr.com)

my 06 wrx tuned @15psi made 251whp and 290wtq txs stg2 lol

my 06 wrx tuned @15psi made 251whp and 290wtq txs stg2 lol

Uh..if you're comparing a dynojet reading to a DD, try again

Reading threads like this make me realize why PPB has become a joke. A tuner comes in, explains the mods on the car and shows the video of a quarter mile pass. He then proceeds to get hassled by a bunch of people claiming BS and trying to discredit him.

There are tons of other tuners on here that don't get ****, and all they do is post over inflated dyno charts. Most don't even post an accurate mod list, and VERY few ever correlate their dyno #'s with track times. Still haven't seen one other vendor that has even taken their 08 STI to the track and posted about it

I love the 08 sti... Sweet numbers AMR. i wish I could afford one

my 06 wrx tuned @15psi made 251whp and 290wtq txs stg2 lol

Yeah and I bet your car traps 108 too...:rolleyes: :p

I'm really surprised how much power the car picked up with an intake and tune over just a tune. The evidence is obviously in the trap speed, which seems insane for a stage 1 STI.

I might have to take my little ots stage 1 to the strip when it opens up just to get an idea of what the car can run (trap speed wise...not too concerned about ET).

108 traps are great! I am simply curious what that tune's EGT and typical knock readings are like.

well i dont drag my car so i guess i'll never know. and im not in the know how do dynojet #'s compare?? low? thanks guys

lol at some of the people in this thread.

thumbs up to AMR

I just ordered my intake today. :D

Thank you guys for all of the your opinions.

Videos will be up of our "PATENT PENDING" AMR BMI and AMR TBE on our AMR 2008 STi.



-Rob
automasteramr.com

Good job with the STI!!...

Constructive Criticism: Whoever edits the videos that youguys post online needs some "help"... The Music is WAAAY too loud in them... I mean people want to see the cars, and hear the cars, and see the results that youguys achieve... They don't want to have to strain to hear the car over a song that they've heard on the radio countless times... That ruins everything... Just tell the person who edits them to think about that...

~ Chris

Good job with the STI!!...

Constructive Criticism: Whoever edits the videos that youguys post online needs some "help"... The Music is WAAAY too loud in them... I mean people want to see the cars, and hear the cars, and see the results that youguys achieve... They don't want to have to strain to hear the car over a song that they've heard on the radio countless times... That ruins everything... Just tell the person who edits them to think about that...

~ Chris


Chris,

Thank you for your input. I will make sure person who edits our video's sees this.

Thanks.



-Rob
www.automasteramr.com (http://www.automasteramr.com)

201 hp stock?? So there is 104hp loss through the drive train?? The tranny actually eats 1/3 of the HP?
Sounds like you loaded a REALLY conservative tune the first pull.

201 hp stock?? So there is 104hp loss through the drive train?? The tranny actually eats 1/3 of the HP?
Sounds like you loaded a REALLY conservative tune the first pull.

Nope, I have seen a stock 05 STI at a dyno day put down 195whp the first pull and 201 the second pull. Wasn't even their customer, just a guy that came by. They are not manipulating any readings, their dyno is just uncorrected

201 hp stock?? So there is 104hp loss through the drive train?? The tranny actually eats 1/3 of the HP?
Sounds like you loaded a REALLY conservative tune the first pull.

It's the power gain between the base run and the tuned run that is more interesting. Most '08s are putting down virtually the same power (maybe slightly more torque) than the '04-'07. It doesn't matter if the dyno reads 200whp or 250whp.

Rob,

Just a quick update from your map: completely stock 08 STI with AMR intake only.

I couldn't break into the 12's, but I'm right there, knocking on the door.

1.794 60'
8.3061 1/8 ET
83.02 1/8 MPH
13.037 1/4 ET
104.19 1/4 MPH

It has to be my shifting.... Launch seems pretty good (could be a bit better) and the trap is there for a 12. Now, I just have to drive it there. So thanks for all your help! I'll be back bugging you once I go Stg 2 later.

Rob,

Just a quick update from your map: completely stock 08 STI with AMR intake only.

I couldn't break into the 12's, but I'm right there, knocking on the door.

1.794 60'
8.3061 1/8 ET
83.02 1/8 MPH
13.037 1/4 ET
104.19 1/4 MPH

It has to be my shifting.... Launch seems pretty good (could be a bit better) and the trap is there for a 12. Now, I just have to drive it there. So thanks for all your help! I'll be back bugging you once I go Stg 2 later.

Hope,


Glad to see your are happy with our map. You are right there, definitely driving at this point. Your only a shy 4mph from were you are suppose to be. A little more time at the track and your there. How does the clutch feel?

If there is anything you need please do not hesitate to contact me!


-Rob

my clutch? what clutch? I think I still have one left. :lol:

Rob,

I finally ran my 12! :D I changed absolutely nothing but it was obviously in my launch! My traps are still a bit low, however I don't care because a 12 is a 12! :D

time slip as follows:

+.2040 RT
1.7210 60'
5.2270 330'
7.6309 ET @ 594'
8.1690 1/8 ET
83.63 1/8 MPH
12.9479 1/4 ET
102.50 1/4 MPH

sun was out and it ended up being about 65 Deg outside, very little wind. I have an AMR CAI and AMR 100 octane tune for the strip on my 08 STI. Nothing else, completely stock, including a screwed up OEM clutch.

Rob,

I finally ran my 12! :D I changed absolutely nothing but it was obviously in my launch! My traps are still a bit low, however I don't care because a 12 is a 12! :D

time slip as follows:

+.2040 RT
1.7210 60'
5.2270 330'
7.6309 ET @ 594'
8.1690 1/8 ET
83.63 1/8 MPH
12.9479 1/4 ET
102.50 1/4 MPH

sun was out and it ended up being about 65 Deg outside, very little wind. I have an AMR CAI and AMR 100 octane tune for the strip on my 08 STI. Nothing else, completely stock, including a screwed up OEM clutch.


Hope,

Thats great!

More practice = better times.

Please do not hesitate to ask me any further questions.


-Rob

Hope,

Thats great!

More practice = better times.

Please do not hesitate to ask me any further questions.


-Rob
What was funny, it was during the first round of our 13.00 index race. I broke out and would have been disqualified (which I was fine with) but my opponent fouled and I automatically won regardless of time. I didn't realize this, so I was booking to the other end and since I had not even been close to 13.0 all morning/afternoon, I didn't think there was any chance of me breaking into 12's. :) Was a lot of fun (albeit a bit confusing, but hey, my first actual drag race).

and Rob, once I go stage 2, I'll definitely be seeing you for a race map! :D

my 06 wrx tuned @15psi made 251whp and 290wtq txs stg2 lol
And when your tranny or engine explode... the STI will still be running consistent 12's all day long... :lol:

The 08 WRX can do those numbers on stage 1.

And the WRX tranny can handle 350whp stock albeit some slippage, with a clutch upgrade about 450whp

It is all about driving habits though.

All day long with all 4 wheels hard launching @ 5,000 rpm will never ever happen in any car.

Drag racing all day long even with any drivetrain will not last long.

The 08 WRX can do those numbers on stage 1.

And the WRX tranny can handle 350whp stock albeit some slippage, with a clutch upgrade about 450whp



:rolleyes::rolleyes:

A stage1 WRX will not run 12's, sorry. Maybe I live under a rock, but I haven't seen any 08 WRX's in the 12's on the stock turbo...let alone just an intake.

The WRX trans will not handle 450whp with a clutch upgrade...no matter how your drive it, torque is what causes gears to shear

The 08 WRX can do those numbers on stage 1.

And the WRX tranny can handle 350whp stock albeit some slippage, with a clutch upgrade about 450whp

It is all about driving habits though.

All day long with all 4 wheels hard launching @ 5,000 rpm will never ever happen in any car.

Drag racing all day long even with any drivetrain will not last long.
*Checks member number*

You're obviously new here... we'll let this one slide... :lol:

And wherever you're getting your info from... well, get it somewhere else.

And so you know, the STI tranny WILL handle abuse all day long... Just ask Big Valley, who didn't change their drag racing STI tranny, until they had over 550 at the wheels.

I think he may have meant the dyno #'s, not the track ET's.

We don't have an AWD dyno here, so I have to use my butt dyno and real world/track numbers.

Also, I have tracked and drag raced my 05 LGT for 2.5 years and the car runs strong (5EAT no less). Perhaps once I go stg 2 on the 08 STI I will be able to beat my best run in the LGT last August: 12.865 @ 105 mph. This is the first time I've tracked an MT at either drag, autox or rallyx, so I'm still learning. I'm quite positive with just a DP I will more than beat those numbers and hopefully run consistent 12's. Next on my list of things to do is get our 07 Stg 1 STI to 12's. ;) However, hubby will not allow me to drag it more than a couple times... so not sure if I can.

I think he may have meant the dyno #'s, not the track ET's.

We don't have an AWD dyno here, so I have to use my butt dyno and real world/track numbers.

Also, I have tracked and drag raced my 05 LGT for 2.5 years and the car runs strong (5EAT no less). Perhaps once I go stg 2 on the 08 STI I will be able to beat my best run in the LGT last August: 12.865 @ 105 mph. This is the first time I've tracked an MT at either drag, autox or rallyx, so I'm still learning. I'm quite positive with just a DP I will more than beat those numbers and hopefully run consistent 12's. Next on my list of things to do is get our 07 Stg 1 STI to 12's. ;) However, hubby will not allow me to drag it more than a couple times... so not sure if I can.

Thank you and yes I meant the dyno numbers. not the 12 sec passes.
No, I am not new here or to the scene in general, just purchased a new 08 Sti. Please read the content in my other posts and assume I am a newb, that's fine.
Also WRXGuy aren't you the same guy who was having tuning problems on ur STi with the COBB maps losing out to a 37 and asking for an explanation?
And yes the WRX tranny can hold up to 450awhp with only a triple disc and although the tq is what makes the gears shake, the point I was trying to make was that its not exactly prone to explosion. How long it'll last at this level is a whole other topic.
And no, no car will run "ALL DAY LONG" lauching like you do to get good times on a drag strip. Occasional trips to the track and strip will also cut the life of a transmission no matter how you look at it. I don't care if you are running even stock HP. It depends on driving habits. Rolling start vs. 5k launch is a whole level of stress difference and so is commuter driving vs. competition driving.
Why don't some of you who do frequent competititve driving post preventitive transmission overhaul mileages here? I'll start with 1 true "race" car and 10 street cars.
Formula Atlantic: 1 tear down per race
AE86 160rwhp 120rwtq, every 10-15k miles: Drift competitions, streets of willow events, other "spirited driving".
1996 MKIV Supra 1036 RWHP 827RWTQ Drag only: Every 10 runs or so
05STi stock: Sprited driving, no competition: 36k none scheduled
08STi Stage 1: Spirited driving, no competition: none scheduled
07 GT500 Stage 1+ NOS: Spirited driving + 1 drag run: none scheduled
07 Cayman S: None scheduled
06 Mini Cooper S: Spirited driving, FF SCCA, 10-15k miles
97 EK9 Civic 200 FWHP : Spirited Driving, occasional track events, 35k miles
99 DC2 Integra 200FWHP : Spirited driving, special events auto crosses, modified class IDRA 35k pushed and blown mid-run
06 2ZZ MRS : Autocross, special track events, scheduled for 30k miles

Broad range to consider: Activity rates, frequency of track days, stress of event style "drag vs. drift vs. daily spirited" All overhauled because "NO CAR CAN DO THIS TYPE OF DRIVING ALL-DAY LONG" edit* for an indefinite period of time anyways

Thank you and yes I meant the dyno numbers. not the 12 sec passes.
No, I am not new here or to the scene in general, just purchased a new 08 Sti. Please read the content in my other posts and assume I am a newb, that's fine.
Also WRXGuy aren't you the same guy who was having tuning problems on ur STi with the COBB maps losing out to a 37 and asking for an explanation?
And yes the WRX tranny can hold up to 450awhp with only a triple disc and although the tq is what makes the gears shake, the point I was trying to make was that its not exactly prone to explosion. How long it'll last at this level is a whole other topic.
And no, no car will run "ALL DAY LONG" lauching like you do to get good times on a drag strip. Occasional trips to the track and strip will also cut the life of a transmission no matter how you look at it. I don't care if you are running even stock HP. It depends on driving habits. Rolling start vs. 5k launch is a whole level of stress difference and so is commuter driving vs. competition driving.
Why don't some of you who do frequent competititve driving post preventitive transmission overhaul mileages here? I'll start with 1 true "race" car and 10 street cars.
Formula Atlantic: 1 tear down per race
AE86 160rwhp 120rwtq, every 10-15k miles: Drift competitions, streets of willow events, other "spirited driving".
1996 MKIV Supra 1036 RWHP 827RWTQ Drag only: Every 10 runs or so
05STi stock: Sprited driving, no competition: 36k none scheduled
08STi Stage 1: Spirited driving, no competition: none scheduled
07 GT500 Stage 1+ NOS: Spirited driving + 1 drag run: none scheduled
07 Cayman S: None scheduled
06 Mini Cooper S: Spirited driving, FF SCCA, 10-15k miles
97 EK9 Civic 200 FWHP : Spirited Driving, occasional track events, 35k miles
99 DC2 Integra 200FWHP : Spirited driving, special events auto crosses, modified class IDRA 35k pushed and blown mid-run
06 2ZZ MRS : Autocross, special track events, scheduled for 30k miles

Broad range to consider: Activity rates, frequency of track days, stress of event style "drag vs. drift vs. daily spirited" All overhauled because "NO CAR CAN DO THIS TYPE OF DRIVING ALL-DAY LONG" edit* for an indefinite period of time anyways

I believe that goes without saying.. ;) Anytime you are launching, tracking or being more agressive on the wear and tear of any mechanical parts, you will obviously (to me) be decreasing the life of that part. More frequent or more violent the launch, the more you wear that part/s. I usually drive very conservative in my daily driving for this reason, that way the car isn't going to completely die and hate me forever. :lol: And she will have a bit of a break now that I have my LGT back up and running, so the STI will be sitting in the garage for most days until the next track times just to give her a break and to keep the miles off.

*Checks member number*

You're obviously new here... we'll let this one slide... :lol:

And wherever you're getting your info from... well, get it somewhere else.

And so you know, the STI tranny WILL handle abuse all day long... Just ask Big Valley, who didn't change their drag racing STI tranny, until they had over 550 at the wheels.

Tell this dude :rolleyes:
*Checks member number* WTH? Does this mean you are better or more knowledgeable than many of the real world tuners/builders/drivers that have member numbers larger than yours?

Tell this dude :rolleyes:

Sorry, someone needs to tell you...

Comparing dyno #'s from different dynos is stupid, as even the same model dyno will read differently. This is one of the lowest reading DD's I have seen, I watched a stock STI put down 200/200. If you put down 300whp on a Dynojet at sea level, you will not make anywhere near 300whp on a Mustang Dyno at 2000 ft elevation. There are many contributing factors to dyno #'s...

So you really think that you are going to find a WRX that makes 450whp and 300wtq? If you can find a 450whp WRX trans that has lasted more than a few months, I'd be very surprised. Although much of it is driving style, the WRX gearset simply cannot hold that kind of power.

Either way, basically everything you stated in your first post is either wrong or irrelevant... Sorry dude.

Sorry, someone needs to tell you...

Comparing dyno #'s from different dynos is stupid, as even the same model dyno will read differently. This is one of the lowest reading DD's I have seen, I watched a stock STI put down 200/200. If you put down 300whp on a Dynojet at sea level, you will not make anywhere near 300whp on a Mustang Dyno at 2000 ft elevation. There are many contributing factors to dyno #'s...

So you really think that you are going to find a WRX that makes 450whp and 300wtq? If you can find a 450whp WRX trans that has lasted more than a few months, I'd be very surprised. Although much of it is driving style, the WRX gearset simply cannot hold that kind of power.

Either way, basically everything you stated in your first post is either wrong or irrelevant... Sorry dude.

You must not be paying attention or simply skimming the posts. And do more research yourself as far as how much the WRX transmission has held at its limit. The post is specific to the transmission.
And yes... there are plenty of WRXs that make over that power and torque, there was no stated limitation to engine modifications was there? If you also read the post in detail you would also note that I mentioned how long the transmission would last at that power level was another story didn't I?
You would also note that I emphasized that transmissions require attention especially in non-normal driving conditions. So either you didn't read the post in detail or you are highly ignorant. Make the choice.
*Edit* If you were referring to the original post in terms of the stage 2 06 WRX please do additional comparative research between a stage 2 06-07 WRX and an 08 stage 1 WRX and tell me the results are so far off that the comment made was irrelevant.

yeah its impossible to compare dyno #s across the board, they all read very differently. The only thing you can do is get the delta on the same dyno(that's why its recommended to do a stock run, so you can have a baseline to compare in the future).
This is also why 1/4 mile times and trap speed is generally seen as a better measurement, because you cant lie on hp vs weight as much going down the 1/4 if you get a clean run.
my 08 only put down 200 wtorque stock on a DD, but put down 330wtorque on a dynojet with just a dp and OTS map.
as much as i would love to believe i gained 130 wtorque, im pretty sure when i go back to the DD it's gonna be more realistically 80-90

You must not be paying attention or simply skimming the posts. And do more research yourself as far as how much the WRX transmission has held at its limit. The post is specific to the transmission.
And yes... there are plenty of WRXs that make over that power and torque, there was no stated limitation to engine modifications was there? If you also read the post in detail you would also note that I mentioned how long the transmission would last at that power level was another story didn't I?
You would also note that I emphasized that transmissions require attention especially in non-normal driving conditions. So either you didn't read the post in detail or you are highly ignorant. Make the choice.
*Edit* If you were referring to the original post in terms of the stage 2 06 WRX please do additional comparative research between a stage 2 06-07 WRX and an 08 stage 1 WRX and tell me the results are so far off that the comment made was irrelevant.

Lol, thanks n00b for telling me to search and calling me ignorant. I have been around these forums for many years, and know quite well how capable the WRX transmission is. In fact, I used to have a 04 WRX with around 350whp/300wtq. Anyone that has been around here for a while will tell you the same, a 450whp stock gearbox WRX with a triple disc clutch will probably not make it through one night at the track. Saying that a stock WRX gearbox can handle that power(for any period of time) is a gross over-exaggeration.

Its obvious you don't really have any idea what you are talking about. Comparing apples to oranges as far as transmissions go, doesn't help your arguement either. A stage2 06 WRX will make around 200whp on this dyno, where the Stage1 STI made 270+. You are more than likely comparing results from a different type of dyno to these dyno #'s which is incorrect

Again, I read your entire post you just haven't made any relevant or correct statements. I do not have to search as the points that you are "arguing" are common knowledge around here. Thats why WRXGuyinUSA called you out as well. Thanks, I am done try to reason with you

No facts = no weight. Remember that is is easier to disprove a theory than it is to prove one to be constant. I don't care how many years you have been on the forum. Look at the other post. Time does not necessarily equal wisdom nor skill.

Fact 1) You have shown nothing to disprove me at all (perhaps you have seen that the things I have written are true and feel like an @$$?)

Fact 2) You have not answered any of the questions I had asked you in specific to my post.

Fact 3) I never mentioned STi vs WRX in any case, it has always been WRX. Also note that an STi is still a WRX but I will leave this be for now.

Fact 4) I do not see you quote anything I said as far as what you are claiming I have stated.

Fact 5) You are assuming many things as far as differing dyno plots. I will give you a hint: Some companies post results for both 08 WRX and 06-07 WRX give them a looksee and compare.

Fact 6) Common knowledge does not apply to an argument where the basis is on a disprovement of common theory. (All I would have to do is find one instance where someone has posted using a stock WRX transmission on an application up to 450AWHP regardless of dyno to disprove your statement)

I will still leave the research up to you as I am certain you understand this logic.

I will still leave the research up to you as I am certain you understand this logic.

Great...I'll get right on that!:rolleyes:

You have yet to prove anything logical, except the fact that you know nothing about which you speak of. Your list of "facts" even went against your original statement. YOU were comparing the dyno #'s of this STI against and 06/07 WRX:confused::huh:

Stop telling me to search assclown, I am done in this thread cause of you

Where is the quote? :rolleyes:
my 06 wrx tuned @15psi made 251whp and 290wtq txs stg2 lol

And when your tranny or engine explode... the STI will still be running consistent 12's all day long...



And so you know, the STI tranny WILL handle abuse all day long... Just ask Big Valley, who didn't change their drag racing STI tranny, until they had over 550 at the wheels.


The 08 WRX can do those numbers on stage 1. (Posted in reply to clkoontziii's numbers)


And the WRX tranny can handle 350whp stock albeit some slippage, with a clutch upgrade about 450whp


It is all about driving habits though. (reply to comment about WRX transmission "explosion" by WRXGuyinUSA)


All day long with all 4 wheels hard launching @ 5,000 rpm will never ever happen in any car.

(reply to comment about "invulnerability" of STi transmissions at levels below 550hp) by WRXGuyinUSA)


Drag racing all day long even with any drivetrain will not last long.

Oh here they are what do you know? (06) WRX vs (08) WRX? And concern for a transmission? Please don't tell me you really think wear and tear for racing are somehow irrelevant for STis. Please read (I know you will/are)

On a serious note: Where do you keep getting I am comparing STi and WRX????
*edit* Missed a quote

At the risk of giving answers for free and from people who obviously we mostly don't know.
Here are a couple more opinions:
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080330104420AA1VWdd

Also note that Perrin Performance has built an 08 WRX stock drivetrain "not even a clutch" to 385awhp also.

I have just tried to cover, one really outside source "Yahoo" and one here within the forum. Just to prove a point hmmm....

There is alot more out there if one was willing to look.

Don't knock a car/person unnecessarily. He has a WRX, you have an STi. You are no better than he is and vice versa, myself included. A member number is worthless when determining a person's overall worth.

Limitations are for people who never seek to exceed them.

Common knowledge are for people who want to be "followers" and never "leaders"

"You gotta pay to play" comes from the fact that in anykind of sport driving everything can and will break eventually.

Mah, your an idiot. I really don't have the time to find and post all the 06/07 WRX with broken gear sets on well less than 385whp... If YOU search, you will see that there are more than a few. Don't give me that "everything will break eventually", no crap! Great, the upgraded clutch will keep it from slipping. That doesn't mean the gear box can handle 450whp :lol: It might be able to handle it for a little while(as in a few passes), but it WILL break. I am not knocking his car, I used to have a WRX moron. I upgraded to an STI because I about reached the limit of the gearbox, and was approaching the limit of the stock block.

Its funny that you are speaking about all of these things as though they are fact. Im sorry I confused the fact that you were talking about his WRX, most people quote when they are responding to something other than the OP's car. Either way, you are still comparing his dyno #'s from a dynojet to some other dyno #'s that you likely have no idea where they came from.

To be honest, you are just spreading misinformation and trying to pass it off as fact. When you stop being a follower and start being a leader, you let me know. How many Subies have you built now? How many 02-07 WRX's have you had? Exactly...You've been here for a month and it shows. I am not the only one who laughed at your "facts", its not like I am the only person who is going to tell you this

Now I am really done, and you have totally gone off topic and ruined the OP's thread! Cool!

I knew you would be reading. Thanks for verifying the findings and my statements. :)
BTW I am really going to have to assume you know nothing of inferences nor multi-source reading.
I never said you knocked the WRX. I quoted WRXGuy for knocking the guys tranny exploding.
Once again drivetrain longevity is variable "you seem to be so intent on drag racing".
I have also just posted several instances to back myself up, hence your argument becomes null and void since the rule of disprovement only requires 1 instance.
You still have not compared a side by side of a Stage 2 06-07 WRX and the Stage 1 08 WRX and I am telling you the power is similar, you have not denied this.
And as far as the cars built,tuned, and driven.... more than you

so..... back on topic.....

Yeah, I apologize for the hijack. I just don't understand all the angst for trying to keep an initial topic neutral.
Guy says he has Stage 2 06 WRX with ..hp and ..tq, couple guys bomb him. I say Stage 1 08 WRX can do similar #s so why wouldn't a stage 2 do similar or better. Bottom line, I believed the guy.
Then comes the tranny. Guy says WRX tranny will explode @ less than 300tq and hp while his STi can drag race with no ill effects. I say WRX tranny stronger than you think, even cardomain.com cars have more aggressive ratings on a stock tranny. I also say no tranny lasts forever not even his STi's.
I get bombed because of a high member number from a guy that I tried to help out and had concern for regarding his AP tuning. Then by another guy who had no idea what the heck was going on but decided to jump in.
The "jump in" guy decides to try and disprove my statements without research. I eventually provide a bit because I think people should search before they speak. He comes back with a statement equivalent to "your mom..." and leaves, all the while, with every post he had verified each and every one of my statements to be true, albeit accidentally most likely.
Yet claims me to "misinform" :confused:
---this is a promised last post here