Green is back (except for the turbo models). And "Privacy Glass" for Outbacks, finally.

http://i25.tinypic.com/efgb53.jpg

"Official" confirmation that a 5-speed manual L-GT and O-XT remain for '09.

Bob

Wow. Ruby Red w/ black interior Spec B? Nice.

is Ruby Red the same color as the New Imprezas or not?

"Official" confirmation that a 5-speed manual L-GT and O-XT remain for '09.

Bob

But the only way to get a navigation system with a manual transmission is, again, to get a Legacy GT Spec B. :furious:

is Ruby Red the same color as the New Imprezas or not?Not..

But the only way to get a navigation system with a manual transmission is, again, to get a Legacy GT Spec B. :furious:And the 5MT LGT is the only model without the VDC safety feature. :(

Crap! You can't get the green in an XT, nor can you get solid DGM either? WTF!:mad:

No red Outbacks and no gold OBXTs :(

;22178325']And the 5MT LGT is the only model without the VDC safety feature. :(

That's puzzling; I thought they were making VDC standard on all Subies ... why would the base models have it but not the GT?

That's puzzling; I thought they were making VDC standard on all Subies ... why would the base models have it but not the GT?Especially since it works so well on the '08 WRX.. which is basically a "Legacy GT lite". :confused:

Can't get Nav on a N.A. 4-cyl Legacy.

Nice they kept a couple two-tone options for the OB folks who like that look.

is Ruby Red the same color as the New Imprezas or not?

The color name is different, they look almost identical. It is a very bright fire engine red. Color Code could be the same.

+1000. I love my GRP/black Legacy GT.

Too bad there's no green turbocharged cars though.

Wow. Ruby Red w/ black interior Spec B? Nice.

;22178325']And the 5MT LGT is the only model without the VDC safety feature. :(

So the Legacy 2.5i 5MT has VDC, and the Outback 2.5XT 5MT has VDC, but the Legacy GT 5MT doesn't?

:diaf: SoA!

what color is the interior in the SWP spec.b? the other spec.bs have blc listed which is obviously black but what is bla?

^^typo maybe? Leaving the VDC off one car might also be a typo.

Satin White with black leather spec b

(I've never wanted to be broadsided so bad in my life)

Satin White with black leather spec b

(I've never wanted to be broadsided so bad in my life)

+1000 :eek:

^^ Well yea. You think they would make Taupe Alcantara just for the white spec B? :lol::lol::lol:

Wow. Ruby Red w/ black interior Spec B? Nice.

If it's this color I really liked it. SOA was showing it to us at this year's 48Hrs drive.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/subyfanatic/SB-uOl5LO-I/AAAAAAAAA0g/1beburDsIUg/s800/2009specB1.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/subyfanatic/SB-uPF5LO_I/AAAAAAAAA0o/uSuYkGmr0wM/s800/2009specB2.jpg

Pictures courtesy of the 48hrs Tri-State site http://48hrs.proboards61.com/. I didn't have time to download my own. ;)

no regular "outback" model.. or maybe that was renamed to be the outback 2.5i and the 2.5i is now the 2.5i special edition?

Seriously - Why isn't VDC on the 5MT Legacy GT????

If it's this color I really liked it. SOA was showing it to us at this year's 48Hrs drive.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/subyfanatic/SB-uOl5LO-I/AAAAAAAAA0g/1beburDsIUg/s800/2009specB1.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/subyfanatic/SB-uPF5LO_I/AAAAAAAAA0o/uSuYkGmr0wM/s800/2009specB2.jpg

Pictures courtesy of the 48hrs Tri-State site http://48hrs.proboards61.com/. I didn't have time to download my own. ;)

Holy brightness!

Satin White Spec-B FTW!

Oh and I saw this on Subarunet last week, surprised it took Jon so long to post it :p

Satin White Spec-B FTW!

Oh and I saw this on Subarunet last week, surprised it took Jon so long to post it :p

+eleventybillion and two

Satin White with black leather spec b

(I've never wanted to be broadsided so bad in my life)

I'd hate to lose my car, but............. yeah I'm right there with ya!!!!!!!!!!

Holy brightness!

No kidding, that red spec.B is insane!!!!!!!!!!

What is the deal with the chrome-look wheels on that red spec.B?

Maybe it's going to be similar to the '08 3.0R wheels...

What is the deal with the chrome-look wheels on that red spec.B?

Same wheels that the 08 Spec.B has now.

No red Outbacks and no gold OBXTs :(



That's puzzling; I thought they were making VDC standard on all Subies ... why would the base models have it but not the GT?


GT requires different mapping. You'd only turn it off anyway...

GT requires different mapping. You'd only turn it off anyway...

I would imagine each car with VDC would require different 'mapping'. Yet SoA saw fit to put it in every single Legacy and Outback EXCEPT for the 2.5 GT Limited with manual transmission? :diaf:

hmm
i would tend to think that the 5mt would benefit more from the vdc than the 5eat as it has no torque converter to dampen accell/decel

living where its snows i would most certainly not turn it off .. all the time

jon any mention of the diesel in 2009

GT requires different mapping. You'd only turn it off anyway...

:confused: The other 3 GTs have VDC.

Im not sure I am going to dig the seacrest green. i didnt really like it before when they had it. I like the new forester's sage green ok though ....or maybe even a deep green.

i imagine the ruby red is the bright red (or a very close version) that is shown on that spec b.

GT requires different mapping. You'd only turn it off anyway...

:confused: I guess SOA really knows their customers.

Btw, what is so different compared to 6-spd GT ?

each box needs it's own mapping, there's just not time to do it all...

^^srsly? One model is missing VDC because you ran out of time to program it? That's really the official answer?

White SPEC B!!! and a Red!!! FINALLY!!!!

I was all prepared to wait and see what the 2010 redesign looks like...I may have to jump early...

Still no wagon again :(

each box needs it's own mapping, there's just not time to do it all...

<shakes head>

Seriously? No time? How long VDC has been around in current Legacy/Outback models... four years?

Besides the 5MT OBXT has VDC, how different it could be? There is slight difference in final drive ratio and, of course suspension dynamics, but c'mon.

Methinks, is quite an oversight. May affect 5MT LGT sales, and thus give another excellent reason to kill the trim. We witnessed this strategy with Legacy wagons.

each box needs it's own mapping, there's just not time to do it all...

:eek:

:unamused:

From SOA:

At this time we are anticipating the 2009 Legacy models to arrive at dealers in June.

<shakes head>

Seriously? No time? How long VDC has been around in current Legacy/Outback models... four years?

Besides the 5MT OBXT has VDC, how different it could be? There is slight difference in final drive ratio and, of course suspension dynamics, but c'mon.

Methinks, is quite an oversight. May affect 5MT LGT sales, and thus give another excellent reason to kill the trim. We witnessed this strategy with Legacy wagons.

y'just cant do it all. Really.

As I've said before, most reasons for not doing things are pretty boring: not enough demand, not legal to do or not worth the investment. And the ones that are worth doing are prioritised. I guess this wasn't as high a priority. My goodness you guys like to poke holes.

^ It's not about poking holes, it's about common sense. IMO, I think it's just another excuse to disintegrate the MT all together. When you start taking away from MT models, people lose interest, therefore Subaru can do away with it all together by feeding us "MT models just don't sell". Taking away VDC from a MT model when you have it in the rest of the lineup, is really stupid! Meanwhile, SOA spends alot of money in their design team and we don't see the productivity in that... if anything, you're either spending too much money or very little time. - Yes, I'm on my soapbox!!!

Time for mapping??? You've got to be kidding me... is that really the best excuse SOA can come up with? We're enthusiast here, not idiots! - Give us some respect..... :rolleyes:

^ It's not about poking holes, it's about common sense. IMO, I think it's just another excuse to disintegrate the MT all together. When you start taking away from MT models, people lose interest, therefore Subaru can do away with it all together by feeding us "MT models just don't sell". Taking away VDC from a MT model when you have it in the rest of the lineup, is really stupid! Meanwhile, SOA spends alot of money in their design team and we don't see the productivity in that... if anything, you're either spending too much money or very little time. - Yes, I'm on my soapbox!!!

Time for mapping??? You've got to be kidding me... is that really the best excuse SOA can come up with? We're enthusiast here, not idiots! - Give us some respect..... :rolleyes:

I'm at home tonight and my significant other has about 10 jobs I need to get done. Some cost money, some cost time, some cost both. I reckon can get to about 8 of them over the weekend. I'll skip the two with most cost/least benefit.

Why would we want to take away MT? It gets better fuel economy, less expensive at retail...more fun for you guys and the testers. If it were up to me the world would be driving gearboxes as God intended... but people like autos too. What's your worry about it not being there? I think that car will cope pretty well without it no?

We can go around in circles on this... but most everything comes down to a cost/time/benefit analysis.

I understand that some things are not worth the time if cost > return, but if your competitors are offering well equipped vehicles in their MT models, it'll just make it much more difficult to keep customers, don't you think?

I dont think people like auto's they just have no choice but to buy a auto since 90% of the people in NY dont know how to drive a manual, barely any of them can drive a auto without crashing. Plus there is to much traffic / lights in ny for people to buy manuals. I Like my 06 wrx manual. I was born in Europe and mostly 95% of Europe drives stick shift. So there.

Guess I should just be happy an Outback XT can still be had w/5spd stick then, eh?

Wonder how that two-tone DGM/QSM XT will look......

Wonder how that two-tone DGM/QSM XT will look......

DGM/QSM scheme is awesome. It is my favorite for Outbacks. We have had a couple of LL BEAN's in that color layout and it is awesome. They always sell very quickly...and usually to people that wanted a totally different color to start with.

y'just cant do it all. Really.

I vote that it's a typo. I can't imagine that the only three trims of any car that Subaru of America has that doesn't have VDC would be
1. Bare bones Impreza sedan
2. Bare bones Impreza wagon
3. Legacy GT 5-speed

SOA Blog - any hope of the S402/STi making it over next year?

;22178325']And the 5MT LGT is the only model without the VDC safety feature. :(

Who gives a crap? If you know how to drive you don't need a bunch of electronic nannies holding your hand constantly. The car already has AWD, if you need VDC too to keep you out of an accident you should seriously consider driving school.

Why would we want to take away MT? It gets better fuel economy, less expensive at retail...more fun for you guys and the testers. If it were up to me the world would be driving gearboxes as God intended... but people like autos too. What's your worry about it not being there? I think that car will cope pretty well without it no?

We can go around in circles on this... but most everything comes down to a cost/time/benefit analysis.

Just like the wagons went away. They look better than the Outback, they handle much better than the Outback and they are generally more useful than the Sedan.

And I am not sure there was an answer to the comment about the OBXT 5MT having VDC but not the LGT 5MT...

Who gives a crap? If you know how to drive you don't need a bunch of electronic nannies holding your hand constantly. The car already has AWD, if you need VDC too to keep you out of an accident you should seriously consider driving school.

:rolleyes:

Seriously, if you know how to drive you shouldn't be getting in any accidents at all so why bother with silly things like seatbelts and airbags either?

And after all, it's not as if anybody ever hits an unexpected patch of ice or loose gravel. Every Subaru driver is always 100% in control of their vehicles AND all the vehicles around them!

:rolleyes:

Seriously, if you know how to drive you shouldn't be getting in any accidents at all so why bother with silly things like seatbelts and airbags either?

And after all, it's not as if anybody ever hits an unexpected patch of ice or loose gravel. Every Subaru driver is always 100% in control of their vehicles AND all the vehicles around them!

There is a huge difference between passive safety features and active safety features. I seriously don't see how VDC should ever prevent you from getting into an accident in a car like a Legacy. Being alert and knowing car control should be enough to keep you out of any situation. VDC is for big vehicles that handle like **** so they need nannies to overcome poor inherent dynamics.

Subaru's VDC has an ON/OFF button for those who feel that VDC diminishes their manhood. :rolleyes:

;22230284']Subaru's VDC has an ON/OFF button for those who feel that VDC diminishes their manhood. :rolleyes:


:lol: :lol:

From what I understand of VDC it is not just the "stability control" safety feature that you find on SUVs. It's also a traction control system that can help optimize power delivery in individual wheels. This is especially true on the STi, which has 3 VDC settings.

;22230284']Subaru's VDC has an ON/OFF button for those who feel that VDC diminishes their manhood. :rolleyes:

I have no problem with VDC being on a car. I just think it's ridiculous that people throw a hissy fit when it's not available. We all managed to get along just fine without it for years.

We all managed to get along just fine without it for years.

The same was said of power steering, automatic transmissions, ABS, and just about every other automotive advance when they first appeared.

Bob

^^I would prefer not to have any of those "advances." I can live without VDC too; I just find it odd that only one model doesn't have it.

Just give it the same gearing as the Outback XT and then you can put VDC on it...

VDC WILL be a dealbreaker for some people. Unless of course you are trying to get people to move up to the more expensive Spec B.

Competition is fierce.. I know for a fact that simple features like bluetooth and auto-down windows not being available drive customers away, especially in regions where AWD is not necessary.


Just make sure that the 2010 Legacy gets framed windows so I have another excuse to buy an Audi...

Just give it the same gearing as the Outback XT and then you can put VDC on it...

VDC WILL be a dealbreaker for some people. Unless of course you are trying to get people to move up to the more expensive Spec B.

Competition is fierce.. I know for a fact that simple features like bluetooth and auto-down windows not being available drive customers away, especially in regions where AWD is not necessary.


Just make sure that the 2010 Legacy gets framed windows so I have another excuse to buy an Audi...

I really expected my next car to be another Legacy (we're on Subarus # 5, 6, and 7 right now). Subaru will need to turn things around before then. They keep making lots of tiny steps backward, without the steps forward to make up for them. :(

I really expected my next car to be another Legacy (we're on Subarus # 5, 6, and 7 right now). Subaru will need to turn things around before then. They keep making lots of tiny steps backward, without the steps forward to make up for them. :(

because one model doesn't have VDC?

because one model doesn't have VDC?

I don't think so. This is another drop in the bucket in the "f**k enthusiasts" policy shown by SOA:

No Recaros in STI...
No VDC in LGT 5MT...
No Navi in LGT MT...
No MT in FXT....
No LSD diff in FXT....
No VTD in WRX AT....
First no MT LGT wagons, then no wagons at all...

Plus many many options available in other markets but not here.

because one model doesn't have VDC?

I think you're missing the point.... If SOA has payed close attention to this forum, there's ALOT more than just the VDC hiccup!

I don't think so. This is another drop in the bucket in the "f**k enthusiasts" policy shown by SOA:

No Recaros in STI...
No VDC in LGT 5MT...
No Navi in LGT MT...
No MT in FXT....
No LSD diff in FXT....
No VTD in WRX AT....
First no MT LGT wagons, then no wagons at all...

Plus many many options available in other markets but not here.

I can name a few but that's just beating a dead horse again... SOA... AWD doesn't cut it anymore. You're competition is fierce... you don't have to have every option they have but you should be having OPTIONS!!!!

If it's this color I really liked it. SOA was showing it to us at this year's 48Hrs drive.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/subyfanatic/SB-uOl5LO-I/AAAAAAAAA0g/1beburDsIUg/s800/2009specB1.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/subyfanatic/SB-uPF5LO_I/AAAAAAAAA0o/uSuYkGmr0wM/s800/2009specB2.jpg

Pictures courtesy of the 48hrs Tri-State site http://48hrs.proboards61.com/. I didn't have time to download my own. ;)
Looks very close to San Remo Red, the color of my old WRX. I loved that color and would love to have it on a 5MT L-GT!

-Matt

I think you're missing the point.... If SOA has payed close attention to this forum, there's ALOT more than just the VDC hiccup!



I can name a few but that's just beating a dead horse again... SOA... AWD doesn't cut it anymore. You're competition is fierce... you don't have to have every option they have but you should be having OPTIONS!!!!

You know, you can go on enthusiast boards for every make going and find similar observations.

You know, you can go on enthusiast boards for every make going and find similar observations.

that is true but i would think you guys could make a killing on recaros w/ side airbags.

Recaros aren't a deal breaker for me, and I can afford one, it's convincing the wife to let me trade in the LGT for one that's the kicker lol (that and insurance rates are stupid high, can people please stop crashing, k thx)

The current Legacy is a lame duck anyways (shouldn't we be seeing the next Legacy in Japan around March 2009?) and I doubt the people who are on the fence about buying one will be swayed in one direction or the other by the lack of VDC on the 5MT model. Personally, I get along fine in my '05 without it :)

OTOH, I love how SoA says that they don't like options but offer the features that people want just as the car is about to be replaced, then redesign the car and stop offering them. Personally, I was willing to pay a bit more to get a decent stereo in my Legacy, and nav should have been offered from the get-go.

I don't think that many people here have been unreasonable with their suggestions, and perhaps listening to them would have saved Subaru from living off Toyota's dole. Sorry guys, but Subaru needs to stop acting like everything's OK when it isn't.

OTOH, I love how SoA says that they don't like options but offer the features that people want just as the car is about to be replaced, then redesign the car and stop offering them. Personally, I was willing to pay a bit more to get a decent stereo in my Legacy, and nav should have been offered from the get-go.


Somewhere in an alternate universe, SoA has come out with a Legacy GT with adjustable HIDs, 6mt (without having to be a spec b), better suspension, attractive recaro seats, push button start, an even better stereo, VDC (that you can disable), crazy awesome navigation, 50mpg, bluetooth as standard and whatever else you can think of.

And in that alternate universe, on the alternate nasioc, alternate forum users are complaining and whining about the "price hike on the new Legacy GT" and how "For 39k I can just get (insert some car that isn't really relevant here)!!!!".

It brings a smile to my face. :lol:

I understand that some things are not worth the time if cost > return, but if your competitors are offering well equipped vehicles in their MT models, it'll just make it much more difficult to keep customers, don't you think?

Let me put it in perspective... They will arrive here most likely in June... But in some areas, not until July. You got, maybe 5 months of good selling season plus a strong Q4, and then we'll be clearing them out in anticipation of the 2010 Legacy which will probably be about the same price but 10x more badass... The 2010 will probably start hitting lots in about March of next year, maybe april. So...This is a brief run with minor updates to help this design have a strong last year, but its a quick production run. Keep in mind all the testing, quality assurance, prototyping, test fitting, etc that goes into any revision. Also, SOA is a smaller company and is busy working up many great surprises for us (and already concentrating hard on the 2010 Legacy/Outback redesign). You really think they should put that on hold so the 3% of manual transmission legacy GTs they sell can have VDC? If you don't like it, don't buy it... Get a different subie with the turbo engine and the VDC.. OR wait 9 more months to find out if the 2010 gt will have it (i'm sure it will.... you can tell that's the direction subaru is moving.)

You really think they should put that on hold so the 3% of manual transmission legacy GTs they sell can have VDC?

Not sure what your 3% refer to, but for MY2005 40% of LGT sedans were manuals.

Not sure what your 3% refer to, but for MY2005 40% of LGT sedans were manuals.

BUT how may lgts were sold total vs. the rest of the line? ;)

and then we'll be clearing them out in anticipation of the 2010 Legacy which will probably be about the same price but 10x more badass... The 2010 will probably start hitting lots in about March of next year, maybe april.

So, what makes 'em 10x more badass? Should I wait for a '10 Outback XT manual shift vs '09? (I'm not planning to purchase until Sept/Oct '08, fyi)...

BUT how may lgts were sold total vs. the rest of the line? ;)

Can check later, but kinda irrelevant if the remaining nof LGTs (AT) get VDC...

Somewhere in an alternate universe, SoA has come out with a Legacy GT with adjustable HIDs, 6mt (without having to be a spec b), better suspension, attractive recaro seats, push button start, an even better stereo, VDC (that you can disable), crazy awesome navigation, 50mpg, bluetooth as standard and whatever else you can think of.

That "alternate universe" is called Japan. ;)

(At least they have some of the things you listed)

Hopefully, seeing Subaru sell rebadged JDM/Euro Toyotas with Haldex will bring a smile to your face as well when they finally kick the bucket due to their inept marketing and management.

And most of the stuff that you talked about is available in Japan. But thank you for reminding us that Subaru is doing us a favor by even selling us their wonderful products in the first place and that we should not anger the great and mighty Subaru by asking for options :lol:

Somewhere in an alternate universe, SoA has come out with a Legacy GT with adjustable HIDs, 6mt (without having to be a spec b), better suspension, attractive recaro seats, push button start, an even better stereo, VDC (that you can disable), crazy awesome navigation, 50mpg, bluetooth as standard and whatever else you can think of.

And in that alternate universe, on the alternate nasioc, alternate forum users are complaining and whining about the "price hike on the new Legacy GT" and how "For 39k I can just get (insert some car that isn't really relevant here)!!!!".

It brings a smile to my face. :lol:

Hopefully, seeing Subaru sell rebadged JDM/Euro Toyotas with Haldex will bring a smile to your face as well when they finally kick the bucket due to their inept marketing and management.

And most of the stuff that you talked about is available in Japan. But thank you for reminding us that Subaru is doing us a favor by even selling us their wonderful products in the first place and that we should not anger the great and mighty Subaru by asking for options :lol:

I'm only saying that if they were to bring these options here, the US price would have to go up. And anytime Subaru tries to increase price here, everybody complains.
So which is it - an affordable mix of features that MOST want, or a very expensive complete list of features that just a couple people have to have? (But have no plans of buying a new subaru anytime soon, anyway..)

So, what makes 'em 10x more badass? Should I wait for a '10 Outback XT manual shift vs '09? (I'm not planning to purchase until Sept/Oct '08, fyi)...

Depends. Not much info out on the 2010. But it will be longer and wider and odds are good it will have a host of new features. Just lease the 09 so that if the 2010 turns out to be way better you won't have to wait too long to switch. :lol:

I'm only saying that if they were to bring these options here, the US price would have to go up. And anytime Subaru tries to increase price here, everybody complains.
So which is it - an affordable mix of features that MOST want, or a very expensive complete list of features that just a couple people have to have? (But have no plans of buying a new subaru anytime soon, anyway..)

What we want is options.

It's about being competitive. Not offering choices does not make one competitive.

The reason everyone complains about price is that everyone knows Subaru always ridiculously overinflates the MSRP of their vehicles. I almost didn't buy my 2005 Legacy GT because I thought the sticker price of $29.8k was ridiculous. I had $5k taken off, and that was four months after the new Legacies came out.

Aside from some of the STI guys or the early adopters, who here paid MSRP? Besides, many of Subaru's cars are poor values compared to the competition. A Tribeca costs almost as much as an MDX and a H6 Legacy costs as much as a G35, without offering the same level of amenities or choices the other two do. And both seem to be as popular with consumers as Republicans are with people having their house repossessed.

Once again, Subaru is on the ropes. SoA's best selling car is the low-margin 2.5i. Would it hurt Subaru that badly to offer options at least to the levels Mazda and Nissan do?

For example, taking the current Legacy lineup, it wouldn't be unreasonable to offer a technology package with Bluetooth, navigation and memory seats for Limited and H6 models, and a premium audio package for all trim levels, especially since one can't replace the monolith of crap that Subaru calls a stereo in the Legacy easily.

Now, I'm prepared to pull the trigger in 2010 for a 5th gen Legacy, provided that Subaru makes it an attractive value. So, when are you gonna buy your next Subaru?

I'm only saying that if they were to bring these options here, the US price would have to go up. And anytime Subaru tries to increase price here, everybody complains.
So which is it - an affordable mix of features that MOST want, or a very expensive complete list of features that just a couple people have to have? (But have no plans of buying a new subaru anytime soon, anyway..)

It's about being competitive. Not offering choices does not make one competitive.

The reason everyone complains about price is that everyone knows Subaru always ridiculously overinflates the MSRP of their vehicles. I almost didn't buy my 2005 Legacy GT because I thought the sticker price of $29.8k was ridiculous. I had $5k taken off, and that was four months after the new Legacies came out.

Aside from some of the STI guys or the early adopters, who here paid MSRP? Besides, many of Subaru's cars are poor values compared to the competition. A Tribeca costs almost as much as an MDX and a H6 Legacy costs as much as a G35, without offering the same level of amenities or choices the other two do. And both seem to be as popular with consumers as Republicans are with people having their house repossessed.

Once again, Subaru is on the ropes. SoA's best selling car is the low-margin 2.5i. Would it hurt Subaru that badly to offer options at least to the levels Mazda and Nissan do?

For example, taking the current Legacy lineup, it wouldn't be unreasonable to offer a technology package with Bluetooth, navigation and memory seats for Limited and H6 models, and a premium audio package for all trim levels, especially since one can't replace the monolith of crap that Subaru calls a stereo in the Legacy easily.

Now, I'm prepared to pull the trigger in 2010 for a 5th gen Legacy, provided that Subaru makes it an attractive value. So, when are you gonna buy your next Subaru?

are you kidding me!? the tribeca goes from 30k-38k the mdx goes for 40k to 50k i think thats a good enough difference between those models:confused:

the 3.0r w/nav is around 30k with most every option available.. the g35 ranges from 30k to $40k+

and no subaru can't go to the low price like nissan and mazda in products, AWD costs money too plus subaru doesn't come close to the economies of scale of nissan and mazda (with the backing of ford)

Subaru's offering massive incentives in my area on the 3.0R and Tribeca. And do you really believe that my Legacy GT, with its fabulous cloth seats and optional subwoofer was worth $29,854 in 2004? The dealer let it go for $4,900 less.

They're already in a bad predicament for overpricing their cars and not offering any options, when you're running a company and things aren't going well, it's not time to keep on doing what you're doing but time to create change. And plus we've got Toyota on our side now :)


are you kidding me!? the tribeca goes from 30k-38k the mdx goes for 40k to 50k i think thats a good enough difference between those models:confused:

the 3.0r w/nav is around 30k with most every option available.. the g35 ranges from 30k to $40k+

and no subaru can't go to the low price like nissan and mazda in products, AWD costs money too plus subaru doesn't come close to the economies of scale of nissan and mazda (with the backing of ford)

Subaru's offering massive incentives in my area on the 3.0R and Tribeca. And do you really believe that my Legacy GT, with its fabulous cloth seats and optional subwoofer was worth $29,854 in 2004? The dealer let it go for $4,900 less.

They're already in a bad predicament for overpricing their cars and not offering any options, when you're running a company and things aren't going well, it's not time to keep on doing what you're doing but time to create change. And plus we've got Toyota on our side now :)
the lgt you had was a hard seller thats why it was discontinued ;)

i struggle to justify subaru's high pricing especially considering how they are VERY comparable to hondas and toyotas.. the only area i see a higher premium on cars is along the lines of the outback and legacy, and i'm sure they will drop in price in the next model redesign