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AVANTI R5
06-14-2008, 02:15 PM
Saudi Arabia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/saudiarabia/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), the world’s biggest oil exporter, is planning to increase its output next month by about a half-million barrels a day, according to analysts and oil traders who have been briefed by Saudi officials.


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King Abdullah has called a meeting to address the causes of the oil price rally.




The increase could bring Saudi output to a production level of 10 million barrels a day, which, if sustained, would be the kingdom’s highest ever. The move was seen as a sign that the Saudis are becoming increasingly nervous about both the political and economic effect of high oil prices. In recent weeks, soaring fuel costs have incited demonstrations and protests from Italy to Indonesia.


Saudi Arabia is currently pumping 9.45 million barrels a day, which is an increase of about 300,000 barrels from last month.


While they are reaping record profits, the Saudis are concerned that today’s record prices might eventually damp economic growth and lead to lower oil demand, as is already happening in the United States and other developed countries. The current prices are also making alternative fuels more viable, threatening the long-term prospects of the oil-based economy.


President Bush visited Saudi Arabia twice this year, pleading with King Abdullah to step up production. While the Saudis resisted the calls then, arguing that the markets were well supplied, they seem to have since concluded that they needed to disrupt the momentum that has been building in commodity markets, sending prices higher.


The Saudi plans were disclosed in interviews with several oil traders and analysts who said that Saudi oil officials had privately conveyed their production plans recently to some traders and companies in the United States. The analysts declined to be identified so as not to be cut off from future information from the Saudis.


Last week, King Abdullah also took the unprecedented step of arranging on short notice a major gathering of oil producers and consumers to address the causes of the price rally. The meeting will be held on June 22 in the Red Sea town of Jeddah.


Oil prices have gained 40 percent this year, rising to nearly $140 a barrel in recent days and driving gasoline costs above $4 a gallon. Some analysts have predicted that prices could reach $200 a barrel this year as oil consumption continues to rise rapidly while supplies lag.


The growing volatility of the markets, including a record one-day gain of $10.75 a barrel last week, has persuaded the Saudis that they need to step in, analysts said.
Tony Fratto, a White House spokesman, said, “We would welcome any and all increases in oil production, including from Saudi Arabia.”


But the measure carries some risks to the kingdom and is not guaranteed to bring down prices, analysts said. Some investors doubt that Saudi Arabia has the capacity to increase its production beyond its current levels.


“This clearly represents the biggest test for them,” said John Kilduff, a senior vice president at the brokerage firm MF Global (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/mf-global-ltd/index.html?inline=nyt-org), who said the move could backfire if investors failed to respond to the extra Saudi supplies. No other producer has the capacity to quickly expand production.


Oil prices fell on Friday, slipping $1.88 to settle at $134.86 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/new_york_mercantile_exchange/index.html?inline=nyt-org), after reports of the prospective Saudi increase trickled into the market.
Ibrahim al-Muhanna, an adviser at the Saudi petroleum ministry, declined to comment on the production increase but said that Saudi Arabia was uncomfortable with oil prices. “Our goal is to bring back stability to the oil market,” he said.


Consumers are complaining that rising fuel prices are imposing a growing toll on their economies, and contributing to higher food costs. The Australian prime minister, Kevin Rudd (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/kevin_rudd/index.html?inline=nyt-per), said this month that it was time “to apply the blowtorch to the OPEC (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/o/organization_of_petroleum_exporting_countries/index.html?inline=nyt-org) organization.”


In Washington, bipartisan support is also growing to pass a law allowing the Justice Department to engage in antitrust proceedings against OPEC producers accused of curbing supplies to drive up prices.


Pressure is also mounting in consuming countries to address record energy prices. Congress is debating measures that would tackle speculators, whom many in Washington blame for driving up commodity prices.


When the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, of which Saudi Arabia is the most powerful member, met in March, it decided against increasing production, blaming speculators and a declining dollar, not a shortfall in supplies, for driving up oil prices.


Saudi Arabia’s unilateral policy could put it at odds with other members of the OPEC cartel. In a report from the group’s secretariat on Friday, OPEC analysts said they saw no need to put more oil on the market. “Claims that the recent surge in prices is due to a supply shortage are unjustified,” the report said.


Saudi Arabia is completing a huge expansion program in its oil industry that is expected to bring its production capacity to 12.5 million barrels a day by 2009. As part of that expansion, Saudi Aramco, the country’s national oil company, is planning to start soon an oil field, called Khursaniyah, with a daily production rate of 500,000 barrels.


The production increase, which would amount to less than 1 percent of global consumption, could be made public next week at the energy meeting, which is expected to bring together a large number of consuming and producing countries, including the United States, Russia, Britain, China, India and Japan.


While the meeting is not expected to achieve anything tangible, Saudi officials hope that tackling the issue publicly will break the upward momentum that is dominating oil markets.


“They’ve created pressure on themselves to make a concrete move at this meeting,” said Adam Robinson, an analyst at Lehman Brothers (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/lehman_brothers_holdings_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org). “But when the king calls an oil summit, the markets would do well to take heed.”
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SlideWRX
06-16-2008, 01:37 PM
Cliff Notes: Saudi Arabia is annoyed by speculators driving up prices, decides to show clout. "you do not make oil prices, *We* do."

Partially I think they realize at oil prices this high, a LOT of alternative sources are viable; they need/want to slow/inhibit development of those alternatives so they drop the price.

AVANTI R5
06-16-2008, 01:48 PM
just one problem,They really can't produce another 500K barrels a day(maybe with the new field,but thats not ready yet).Also,if they do its not enough to saturate the market.It might slow down price increases.It will not reduce the price of gas.

Ghosthound
06-16-2008, 02:07 PM
i just hope this doesnt reverse the trend of ditching SUV's.. then again, it seems like the majority of america is retarded and will buy up trucks and SUV's the moment gas prices start to go down.

SoSuMi
06-16-2008, 02:21 PM
just one problem,They really can't produce another 500K barrels a day(maybe with the new field,but thats not ready yet).Also,if they do its not enough to saturate the market.It might slow down price increases.It will not reduce the price of gas.

By new field, if you are refering to Khursaniyah, it's been delayed again and that 500,000 might not show up until next year. But the Saudis seem to be constraining production for the past couple of years and I'm pretty certain that they do have some spare capacity. But it's probably heavy, sour crude. I'm pretty interested in the June 22 meeting when they discuss future production.

This year Russian production might be the big deal. They've had several months of declines. If this continues to the end of the year, Russia may very well be post peak. After all, they have no where near the reserves of the Saudis (but no one out side of Aramco knows exactly how much).

Hazdaz
06-16-2008, 03:06 PM
The price of oil is up mostly because of speculation, not reduced output, so Saudi Arabia bumping production (or any country for that matter) will do little to the price of gasoline more than a few cents.

Wombat North
06-16-2008, 03:52 PM
And today I have had another very good day on the stock market.:lol:

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:DNR

SoSuMi
06-16-2008, 05:31 PM
The price of oil is up mostly because of speculation, not reduced output, so Saudi Arabia bumping production (or any country for that matter) will do little to the price of gasoline more than a few cents.

Where do you come up with this poo? That would be like the tail wagging the dog. For every long contract there's a short. Do you really think that the price has gone from twenty bucks in 1998 to around 135 bucks now (over a 650% increase) due primarily to speculation?

It's all about supply vs demand. Today there's less global reserve capacity than ever before. The only major producer that "probably" has significant reserve capacity is Saudi Arabia... period. Hey, I take that back... I should have included Iraq.

At this point it's a guess about whether new projects coming online will be able to offset falling production from producing fields. The estimates for decline rates run from around 4 to 6%. Also those new projects have to cover falling exports from producers as they respond to increasing internal demand. What this amounts to is that about every two years we need the equivalent new production of a Saudi Arabia.

Here in the US we've lost nearly a million barrels a day between Venezuela (diverting 300,000 bpd to China) and crashing Mexican production (we're missing about 600,000 from them).

Just watch how the EIA's weekly petroleum reports play out. They will give us an idea of what we're in for this fall and winter.

SoSuMi
06-16-2008, 05:36 PM
And today I have had another very good day on the stock market.:lol:

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:DNR


Me too. About three years ago I starting moving money into Kanuck energy trusts, energy infrastructure, and natural resources. :D

Hope your run continues...

Hazdaz
06-16-2008, 06:32 PM
It's all about supply vs demand.

It is absolutely NOT about supply and demand... at least not completely.

Yeah, demand is up due to emerging markets, and supply is level (at best).
But demand has not doubled in 1 years time, nor has it tripled or quadrupled in less than a decade. Neither has supply tanked in the same amount of time.

There are many factors that are driving up the cost, including supply and demand, and refinery issues and even natural disasters, but none of them can completely take into account the massive jumps we have seen over the last few years.

Speculation on the price of oil, however is a major factor in that price jump. Oil is a commodity, and the commodity markets don't like to be frazzled. With wars based on lies in oil-producing nations, and over-the-top aggressive rhetoric with other oil-producing nations, the markets have pushed the price beyond belief. They are speculating that the price is going to keep on going up and up. We are seeing a repeat of the nonsensical run-up of prices like we did with the Internet boom and Housing boom a few years ago when no one thought prices would ever go down. Yet, like always, the jig was up when even that speculative market couldn't sustain those inflated prices.

I don't see oil prices collapsing like when the Housing or Internet bubbles burst, but I do see them heading back down eventially... even though the days of $1.50/gallon gas are long over.

I see late summer (when/if China lower's the subsidy it has on gas) as a possible time when oil prices level off, and possibly even start heading down a little.

SoSuMi
06-16-2008, 07:10 PM
It is absolutely NOT about supply and demand... at least not completely.

Yeah, demand is up due to emerging markets, and supply is level (at best).
But demand has not doubled in 1 years time, nor has it tripled or quadrupled in less than a decade. Neither has supply tanked in the same amount of time.

There are many factors that are driving up the cost, including supply and demand, and refinery issues and even natural disasters, but none of them can completely take into account the massive jumps we have seen over the last few years.

Speculation on the price of oil, however is a major factor in that price jump. Oil is a commodity, and the commodity markets don't like to be frazzled. With wars based on lies in oil-producing nations, and over-the-top aggressive rhetoric with other oil-producing nations, the markets have pushed the price beyond belief. They are speculating that the price is going to keep on going up and up. We are seeing a repeat of the nonsensical run-up of prices like we did with the Internet boom and Housing boom a few years ago when no one thought prices would ever go down. Yet, like always, the jig was up when even that speculative market couldn't sustain those inflated prices.

I don't see oil prices collapsing like when the Housing or Internet bubbles burst, but I do see them heading back down eventially... even though the days of $1.50/gallon gas are long over.

I see late summer (when/if China lower's the subsidy it has on gas) as a possible time when oil prices level off, and possibly even start heading down a little.

Back when the goo sold for twenty bucks there was considerable reserve capacity with Saudi Arabia able to crank up production or dial it back to keep oil in what was not so long ago the target range of 22 to 28 bucks a barrel.

We are now at a point where there is not enough oil at 22 to 28 bucks and the global market acheives equilibration at the present price point. The relative lack of reserve capacity, especially as compared to the late 90s, is what tends to fuel the volatility. For prices to go nuts, like they have, all it takes is for demand to ramp up quicker than supply, which is what I believe we have been seeing since the start of the run up. And it doesn't take large swings either way. If supply increases by 2% and demand by 2.5%, you are going to see a price increase. Reverse this and the price will drop. It's not like the stuff is sitting in a warehouse piling up. Speculation is just the froth on the top.

This situation isn't analogus with the housing bubble where there was and is excess housing... supply exceeding demand. Oil is finite and while there is plenty in the ground, we appear to hitting limits to production flows. On top of that, global exports have been flat for several years now as some of the producting countries divert production to increasing internal demand.

The June 22 OPEC meeting should prove interesting. We will get a chance to see what the Saudis intend to do (or not).

However if China does cut the subsidy, you could be correct, and we may see a price pullback.

My impression is that you tend to look at the technicals... and I'm not saying that that's not without merit, but I look at fundamentals and see a different picture. Look at global decline rates, new projects scheduled, producer exports, and importer growth projections and see what you think. I have and do, and don't like what I see but I'd be happy to be wrong on this.

Several years ago I starting moving money based on those thoughts, and it has worked out nicely.