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Hi , a couple of members have sugested i start a new thread on a little project I'm undertaking at present, so for those that are interested here goes.
As i have just joined the forum i wont bore you with to much detail at this stage, but what i'm building is a copy of the 96-97 LeMan winning Porsche LMP1 WSC car of Joist racing.
it will be powered by an EG33 with a modified WRX gearbox, layout is Mid engined, weight will be approx 600-650 kg.
suspension is custom, inboard front, outboard rear, front uprights and brakes are from a Mk4 RX7 Mazda, rear brakes are R34 Skyline rotors with Willwood 4 pot calipers, tyres are 10" front, 12" rear Hoosier Slicks.
a couple of pics to give you an idea.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/07joest.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/chassis5.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/chassis8.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/chassis6.jpg
a photo bucket site with plenty of pics of of the build so far
http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/?start=0
if anybody has any questions , feel free
cheers John
aspiringRexer 06-22-2008, 02:33 AM Wow, very deep project. Good luck and keep updating the OP!
flukewrx 06-22-2008, 02:50 AM The car doesn't even have a shell and it already has a spare tire on it? :lol:
Looks like an awesome (EXPENSIVE) project. Good luck with the build up. Definitely want to see how it turns out.
crzyazzpolak717 06-22-2008, 03:33 AM I would so rock that around chicago.
Very nice.
The car doesn't even have a shell and it already has a spare tire on it?
Mate thats not a spare but the latest tyre technology From dunlop, as my home track is prodominitly RH cnrs, i thought id save myself $600 on a slick .
as for expensive, if it was i wouldnt be building it, to date it owes me $6000 and thats with everything you see in the bucket site including engine and gearbox.
Goal is to have it on the track, racing for around 20g.
"I would so rock that around chicago".
there is one being built in Michigan as we speak, and another in California, not sure what power plant they have decided on as yet though.
glad you all like it
cheers John
finaly got the gearbox and engine bolted together and trial fitted for the first time, its tight but it fits, about 5mm clearance each side between rocker covers and top chassis rail.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/P2190001_edited.jpg
will have to modify side diagonals and make them removable to allow access to rear spark plugs.
looking foward over the gearbox. not a lot of room but its in there
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/P2190002_edited.jpg
now the fun starts , custom sump, custom headers etc, let the games begin
cheers Kaspa
domestic_abuser 06-28-2008, 05:00 AM uh...isn't a mk4 a supra or v dub?! are you sure you didn't mean FC3S or FD3S rx7?
for the purists, over here in NZ the Fc is comonly called a MK 3 and Fd is a MK 4 batmobile.
so front end is FD3S, if your that way inclined
cheers kaspa
R6_rider 06-29-2008, 01:43 AM mmmk.
how much for you to build me one? lol. looks freakin sweet!
how much for you to build me one? lol. looks freakin sweet!
hi bloke glad you like it, i wont be building another sorry, but i can sell you all the plans, for complete car, including body etc, in CAD on disc
theres two being built state side at present.
cheers Kaspa
mxpunk 06-29-2008, 02:35 AM wrong forum, this def isnt newbie. sick car.
There seems to be alot of debate on other forums i've looked at as to what gear box will fit onto the EG33, so heres what ive done .
the box in the pic is a 92 legacy 4WD box thats been converted to 2WD and bolts straight up, i also have a 90 legacy 2WD box sitting on the floor and that bolts straight up as well, i also have been informed by a reliable source that all gears etc are interchangable between the 2WD box and the 4WD box, as my 2WD box has late model WRX close ratio gears installed, with early 3.9 final drive LSD.
i will be useing the 2WD box in final assy as it will allow for a rh gear change mechanisim to be fitted a lot easier than the 4Wd box, as it has a shorter rear housing and the bonus ,its a few pound lighter,
as soon as i sort out the new mounts to fit the 2WD box and get it fitted, ill post a pic
cheers Kaspa
coldturbo 06-29-2008, 05:57 AM WOW, kudos to you and your hand fabricated space frame.
I have made frames and body panels from scratch and it takes hours of work on a jig table, measuring and checking and re-checking for symmetry and square.
What did you use for the frame, chromoly 4130?
Mid-engine RWD, double wishbone w/toe rear and a Pushrod/bell crank front suspension. The only thing missing is the sequential gear box. :)
That is some serious sickness.
Are you making all of the body panels yourself from scale?
Hi Bloke, roll cage and associated braces are chromoly, the main chassis is just MS 1.6mm tube.
and yes i will be making all the body panels from scratch, but at least i have all the profiles on CAD to get cut out, so all i have to do is stich them all together
hopefully the EG33 will push her along at a decent rate of Knots
cheers John
Mr_Snips 06-30-2008, 02:00 AM ^^^and if it doesnt...BIGGER TURBO:devil:
STirocket 07-03-2008, 08:06 PM Awesome job, beautiful work. Keep the updates coming, I can't wait to see that on the road... :)
axelthrasher 07-03-2008, 08:21 PM Beautiful work. I would LOVE to build something like this. The tube frame/cage looks amazing. I will be folowing this build for sure.
Thanks mate i sincerley hope every one else follows it as well, especialy after its finnished:banana:
cheers John
things have been cold wet and miserable down here lately, so havnt managed to get a lot done, and as i cant do much engine wise for a while [lack of funds] i've been consentrating on getting all the panaling done, cockpit is almost finnished just the pasengers seat to do which i hope to get done this week end, as you will notice by the pic, i have made the seats an integral part of the cockpit which will add substantial ridgidity to the area.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/theoffice.jpg
a better veiw of the drivers seat
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/driverseat.jpg
the two levers you see on the center consul are for the front and rear adjustable sway bars, in case your wondering. and before you ask the gear shift will be on the right, mounted on the side panel by the steering wheel.
cheers and thanks for looking
John
armigerlives 07-04-2008, 04:03 PM heya, awesome. Are you going to make it legal? how are you going to run your shift linkage? I built this and drive it to work everyday it isn't raining, I have been thinking about putting a manual in it but it is a bit of a pain in the ass.
Here are some videos of the car, as well as some pics;
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3088011
http://video.cardomain.com/armigerlives
Hi bloke, although it could be built to street legal specs easily enough , i'm building it as a race only car, its just a toy for an ole man to have some fun with.
glad you like it
cheers John
The weather has finaly changed for the better, the rain has stopped for now but its still bl##dy cold, but braved the elements and got the seats finnished finaly
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/P2270001.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/P2270002.jpg
just the gearshift left to make and fit
the whole thing has turned out much more roomy and alot more comfortable than i ever would have imagined, i must admitt to being quite pleased with myself.
cheers John
fmauriwrx 07-06-2008, 10:14 PM thats fantastically awesome!:banana:
Thanks guys appreciate the Kudo's.
Do, havnt heard back , have you made a decision.
cheers John
SVXelerator 07-07-2008, 01:39 AM What do you plan to do in the way of engine management?:cool:
Hi Mate, probaly a LInk pluss, i have used link on my old car and although it was a very early model ECU , as engine got upgraded they [link] were only to happy to upgrade it to suit, and i had exellent dealings with them, and the Bonus of course is their local .
cheers John
A question for the knowlegable masses.
a good freind of mine is seriously considering joining me with my project, and as such we have been discussing all sorts of options etc and talking about the opposition we will be encountering track side.
now i have heard that
1/, the EG 33 shares same piston rod combo as the EJ 22, is this 100% correct
2/, if so can we fit said EJ 22 pistons rods etc to the 33 to lower comp to allow for a turbo set up.
3/ would it be more expediant to go after market forged pistons and better rods, if so where can they be purchased from
and finaly
4/ what sort of numbers can we be expected to acheive without going mega stupid.
it is a race car, but to win first you must finnish, so reliability is of a high priority, no point in having huge hp if you can only last half a race.
look foward to some constructive ideas
cheers John
Homemade WRX 07-08-2008, 12:47 PM You can drop EJ22 lower compression piston and any turbo EJ rod in as well...of course asking me I'll say to go with custom pistons, and a longer rod...or do like one customer I have right now and sleeve and stroke it ;)
A reasonable, easy 600whp with a broad tq curve shouldn't be an issue at all! I would actually leave the CR a bit higher and run less boost. To help maintain a flatter tq curve, higher combustion/fuel efficiency and keep stress somewhat minimized on the engine.
Regardless, it will be easy to shatter those factory gears :devil:
I like the project and thanks for sharing!
If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.
Still cold wet and miserable, god i hate winter, still it means i cant mow the lawn so might as well spend the time in the shed doing proper work.
got the gear shifter all installed, still have to mount the rear of the main rod and fit a uni to transfer angle back to rear of trans but thats the easy bit, just have to get a length of rod and another rose joint and thats it, to
easy
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/Gearshift.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/shifterposition.jpg
The shifter is a copy of a McLaren one, from a M8 CanAm car, very simple and direct, should do the job admerably well.
cheers John
well its been quite a productive weekend , sorted the gearshift out yesterday and today i fixed a problem that has been bugging me for weeks, and that was, with the engine in place with the half shafts square with uprights, i couldnt get No 5 plug out with out either 1/ pulling the engine out, or 2/ making the LHS diagonal removeable, what i wound up doing was moving the whole engine box assy foward 50mm and all problems fixed. its still tight but it dose come out freely. added bonus is it will transfer a little more weight foward, probly not alot but evey little bit helps.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/problemsolved.jpg
it means i will have to fabricate new engine mounts , but was going to have to do that anyway as they differ slightly from the EJ mount pattern.
and as i have changed from a 4wd box to a 2wd box which has a smaller rear housing, [no extra diff] i had to re engineer the rear mount to one at the rear of the box, instead of the two , one on each side as for the 4wd box.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/gearboxmount.jpg
the only concern is i now have approx 4 deg of angle on my half shafts but from what i've heard that shouldn't pose to much of a problem.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/driveshaftangle.jpg
any thoughts
Cheers John
sick1.8t 07-13-2008, 09:23 AM oops....
sick1.8t 07-13-2008, 09:25 AM whats different about the eg33 mounts? where if bolts to the crossmember or how the mounts bolt to the motor? i was under the impression that they bolted right up to normal EJ series crossmembers.
The difference between the two is where they bolt to the engine, the EJ has two bolts and the EG has three, and as mine is solid mounted i am only using the top plate off the mount with a solid fixture welded to it supporting it, instead of the rubber block.
cheers John
jspecb18c 07-14-2008, 03:57 PM This is an amazing build...great job and look forward to more updates.
-Ryan
Thanks Ryan glad you like it, i will endeavour to keep you all updated as work progresses, but at the moment its at the stage where a lot of time is spent, with little to show for it.
cheers John
Bob the fabricator 07-17-2008, 01:00 PM Very interesting project! I have aspired for some time to build an EG33 powered mid-engined space-frame style race car weighing under 550 kg, but time and money are always an issue for me. I look forward to seeing the progress on your project.
Eventually when I build mine I will keep it naturally aspirated just for the aural experience alone! It's an amazing sounding engine...
Bob
Bob, hi and thanks for the kind words, we have bantered around the Turbo option but i tend to think like you and keep things natural, as a good freind of mine often says " turbos are like silicon T#ts yeh sure there impressive, but you no there not real".
i have had a good long talk to Kev down at Kelford cams, and he beleives with some more compression , some head work and the right cams 300whp is not impossible, and that would make this thing a rocket ship sounds good to me
BTW when you get around to building something give me a call, i have everything for mine on CAD if your interested.
cheers John
Bob the fabricator 07-18-2008, 03:02 PM I have had a good long talk to Kev down at Kelford cams, and he beleives with some more compression , some head work and the right cams 300whp is not impossible, and that would make this thing a rocket ship sounds good to me
BTW when you get around to building something give me a call, i have everything for mine on CAD if your interested.
cheers John
About 2 years back we shipped some EG33 cams to Kelford from the states. They said there wasn't much they could do with them in terms of aggressive regrinds, but unfortunately billets were not cost-effective to produce either. So we ended up sending them to Web cams, and they welded and re-ground them based on the flow test results from the heads. The inlet ports flow very well in stock form BTW, but the exhaust side needs some work! And they love high valve lift, we're running over 11mm on both sides. If you invest in decent headwork and cams, plus higher compression, you should have no trouble hitting your mark. We got 292 whp from an EG33 with a stock shortblock, custom exhaust, and Autronic management. Shift points at 8200 rpms BTW...
The Web cams are admittedly quite aggressive, but they really woke things up! If you want more details on the exact combination, let me know.
Regards,
Bob
Thanks for that Bob , i will be in touch, re Cams when the time comes.
cheers John
reddevil 07-18-2008, 09:49 PM Get a set of any of the forged pistons (wiseco, cp, je whatever, all about the same price.)
As for rods, STI rods are plentiful and plenty strong, and are the same as the stock ej22 rods.
As for rods, STI rods are plentiful and plenty strong, and are the same as the stock ej22 rods
sounds good, what year and model STI do i look for.
cheers John
AFBeefcake 07-19-2008, 10:31 AM ECU tune sells complete eg33 Long Blocks with forged internals.
http://www.ecutune.com/svx_longblock.htm
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After much trial and error i can now change gears from the cockpit , its not 100% but it dose work, i used a couple of old uni joints out of a 1/2 inch drive socket set, and they work fine but unfortunately have a little to much side movement in them, so will have to try and source some small steering uni;s from somewhere.
but at least the concept works
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/P3130006.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/P3130002_edited.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/P3130009.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/P3130008_edited.jpg
i might wind up upgrading the control tube to 5/8 or even 3/4 just to give it some more strength and a more positive feel
cheers John
parkes 07-20-2008, 01:20 AM nice work
Turn in Concepts 07-20-2008, 10:14 PM Have you thought about replacing those with trunnions with needle bearings? IIRC you can pick some up cheap, and coupled with a few bolts and saddle washers you'd be set.
Have you thought about replacing those with trunnions with needle bearings? IIRC you can pick some up cheap,
mate thats exactly what i'm searching for , and if you can tell me where i can get them cheap i'll be indebted to you, as down here they want an arm and both legs for them, because there imported from over there.
i only need two
cheers John
cheers John
AndrewtechAutomotive 07-23-2008, 10:43 AM That thing needs a PPG FWD Dogbox!
NXTLVL 07-23-2008, 07:33 PM That thing is SICK!
Turn in Concepts 07-23-2008, 07:35 PM mate thats exactly what i'm searching for , and if you can tell me where i can get them cheap i'll be indebted to you, as down here they want an arm and both legs for them, because there imported from over there.
i only need two
cheers John
cheers John
I believe McMaster has them. Take a look at mcmaster.com page 1152 of the online catalog. If that price is more agreeable to you, but you have trouble getting them then just shout and we'll figure out a way to get some to you.
Thanks for the lead mate , thats exactly what i'm after part no, 2455K23 whats your thoughts , or is there a better option, i looked at pin and block style, but concened about play, thought the needle roller would be a better bet.
cheers John
Turn in Concepts 07-24-2008, 10:57 AM Thanks for the lead mate , thats exactly what i'm after part no, 2455K23 whats your thoughts , or is there a better option, i looked at pin and block style, but concened about play, thought the needle roller would be a better bet.
cheers John
yep - that's exactly what I was thinking.
apologise or not posting for a while but weather has been shocking to say the least 15 wet weekends in a row and cold and miserable so havnt been out to the shed much, but we finaly got a fine weekend last week and i put the wheels on the rocket and wheeled it outside for a couple of pics to show off
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/DSCN0193_edited.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/DSCN0197_edited.jpg
currently set at 60mm ride height
getting there slowly
cheers Kaspa
R6_rider 09-10-2008, 04:25 AM your my hero
max777 09-10-2008, 08:13 PM good work! Probably a lot of time spent in that car!
good work! Probably a lot of time spent in that car!
Max that would be the understatement of the year, i'd hate to add up the hrs so far but hey its finaly starting to look like a race car.
and some good news weighed it tonite and was plesantly supprised, as it sits in those last pics 456kg,with a weight bias of 45% fr and 55%rear, it should handle reasonably well.
so my aim of a completed car under 600kg is a very real posibility,
now if i could only get 600hp, oh Sh#T:banana:hang on
cheers Kaspa
wrxboss 09-11-2008, 05:42 PM good luck with the project!
VIPGarage 09-11-2008, 05:50 PM definitely looking forward to seeing more on this project.
blaze9489 09-12-2008, 01:16 AM definitely subscribing.
absolutely amazing so far
Thanks guys , appreciate the support, one small problem i will be facing soon , some of you may have picked up , and that is i will need to reverse the intake manifold to face forwards, i havnt as yet tried to see if it will swap around but if it wont i will have to build a new one, any one have any ideas on a good setup, the throttle bodies will have to angle up over the Alternator as intake will be under roll bar beside my head.
cheers Kaspa
Turn in Concepts 09-12-2008, 10:58 AM Thanks guys , appreciate the support, one small problem i will be facing soon , some of you may have picked up , and that is i will need to reverse the intake manifold to face forwards, i havnt as yet tried to see if it will swap around but if it wont i will have to build a new one, any one have any ideas on a good setup, the throttle bodies will have to angle up over the Alternator as intake will be under roll bar beside my head.
cheers Kaspa
there's a company that does eg33 prep for aircraft down in your part of the world. They have an intake mani that I think can do what you need.
As for the throttlebody - since you have some room to play with why even bother putting on either end? Just put it right on top of the plenum.
alacrity024 09-12-2008, 11:40 AM That thing needs a PPG FWD Dogbox!
very much what i'm thinking/wondering about.
modifying a street-designed AWD transmission to work in a 2wd racecar just doesn't seem like the best idea to me. i'm curious how you arrived at the decision to run the gearbox that you're running..
very much what i'm thinking/wondering about.
modifying a street-designed AWD transmission to work in a 2wd racecar just doesn't seem like the best idea to me. i'm curious how you arrived at the decision to run the gearbox that you're running..
Andrew , mate a very easy and simple answer, MONEY, the box i have in there is one that came out of a Saker, its a 2wd box with a close ratio set and slippery diff installed and cost me $500 after a freshen up with new bearings and syncros,
I would dearly love to have a quaife sequential, Ricardo etc in there, but unless i can attract some sponsership its out of the question on my budget. but please feel free to jump on board , i,m positive i'm onto a very quick car with this project, and one that will be a fraction of the price of a Juno or Nemisis etc that it will be competing against, but for some strange reason i cant seem to raise any interest down here whatsoever, pity, so they will all get one helluva shock i hope when it hits the track.
I have solved the inlet manifold problem , oh how i love japanese enginering, just simply turn it around
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/DSCN0200_edited.jpg
also gave me the opportunity to get rid of excess emision plumbing, i will have to remount the alternator but thats no problem
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/DSCN0202.jpg
cheers John
parkes 09-13-2008, 01:56 AM Alot more effective like that! looks good!
thanks Parkes, i overlayed the set up with the rear body drawings and it fits under the orig body line perfectly, bonus,
a question for you though if i may.
while i had the manifold off i spotted a vacume operated butterfly that is normaly open , that allows both inlet runners to equalize, what would be the best option for me, close it off or leave it open.
regards John
04trailsti 09-13-2008, 10:20 AM well its been quite a productive weekend , sorted the gearshift out yesterday and today i fixed a problem that has been bugging me for weeks, and that was, with the engine in place with the half shafts square with uprights, i couldnt get No 5 plug out with out either 1/ pulling the engine out, or 2/ making the LHS diagonal removeable, what i wound up doing was moving the whole engine box assy foward 50mm and all problems fixed. its still tight but it dose come out freely. added bonus is it will transfer a little more weight foward, probly not alot but evey little bit helps.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/problemsolved.jpg
it means i will have to fabricate new engine mounts , but was going to have to do that anyway as they differ slightly from the EJ mount pattern.
and as i have changed from a 4wd box to a 2wd box which has a smaller rear housing, [no extra diff] i had to re engineer the rear mount to one at the rear of the box, instead of the two , one on each side as for the 4wd box.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/gearboxmount.jpg
the only concern is i now have approx 4 deg of angle on my half shafts but from what i've heard that shouldn't pose to much of a problem.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff257/stryka_01/Stanton%20WRC-95/driveshaftangle.jpg
any thoughts
Cheers John
i dont knwo if that angle is too much but i do know that you dont want U jiont perfectly straight you do want some of an angle on them
SVXelerator 09-13-2008, 09:38 PM John,
What you've found is the IRIS valve that Subaru designed into the intake to provide a dual plane design based on engine vacuum. Given what you're setting out to do, you might just want to remove it and tune.
ScoobySubby 10-15-2008, 01:18 AM If you could possibly post a chassis build/measurement list for us!?!?!? :) lol
Scoobby i could do better that that, i have the whole car , chassis and body on cad, pm me if your serious ,
there is currently two being built in the good ole U.S of A as we speak.
cheers Kaspa
ScoobySubby 10-15-2008, 09:47 PM pm'ed you
Sorry guys but i have some good news and some not so god news,
the good news , my wallets looking healthy for the first time in months.
the bad news, i have SOLD the WRC car, due to a few personel probs mainly health related , ive let her go to a good home, who i will be keeping in contact with as adviser and will keep the updates coming as i receive them.
stay tuned
cheers and thanks for all your help in the past
John
blaze9489 11-02-2008, 11:17 PM Sorry guys but i have some good news and some not so god news,
the good news , my wallets looking healthy for the first time in months.
the bad news, i have SOLD the WRC car, due to a few personel probs mainly health related , ive let her go to a good home, who i will be keeping in contact with as adviser and will keep the updates coming as i receive them.
stay tuned
cheers and thanks for all your help in the past
John
Thanks for keeping us updated on the project though. Good luck with whatever health situation you have come across!
Thanks mate will do, mabe i should start a new thread on a body rebuild, mine, lol apprantley they can do wonders with stainless steel these days, there going to overhaul my hip, got a bit to much play in it, i suggested some rose joints and the doc looked at me with a strange puzzeled look, dunno why.
but the guys that bought the car have access to everything they need and have the expertise, so it should take shape very soon.
cheers John
Get well soon John! :)
That is an amazing build, hopefully we'll be able to see pics of the complete project. :)
Turn in Concepts 11-03-2008, 06:08 PM John,
What you've found is the IRIS valve that Subaru designed into the intake to provide a dual plane design based on engine vacuum. Given what you're setting out to do, you might just want to remove it and tune.
I would agree. Since most of the time it'll be at high RPM with that motor just ditch it.
when do you go in for the new suspension joint?
I would agree. Since most of the time it'll be at high RPM with that motor just ditch it.
thanks cobber , i have temp blocked it open, but have told the new guys to remove it completely
when do you go in for the new suspension joint?
Going in to see specialist tomorrow, hope he's in a good mood
John
Conor 11-04-2008, 04:43 AM Good luck!
schrott 11-13-2008, 10:23 PM awww john, bummer.... does this mean we can't swap 3.3 info ? :)
hope all goes well ! let us know how the bionic man turns out
Mr_Snips 11-14-2008, 01:40 AM i'm sorry but seeing that car with individual throttle bodies and velocity stacks would be pure freakin sex.
schrott 11-14-2008, 09:53 AM mr_snips is reading my thought.... :) i am trying to decide what to do with mine. itb's, twin turbo, big ass supercharger.... ? the 'Wooosst' is growing on me. saw my budy take out his skyline the other day..... wow... and it wasnt even running well.
NoLimitMotors 11-14-2008, 01:16 PM mr_snips is reading my thought.... :) i am trying to decide what to do with mine. itb's, twin turbo, big ass supercharger.... ? the 'Wooosst' is growing on me. saw my budy take out his skyline the other day..... wow... and it wasnt even running well.
turbo turbo turbo turbo
what they are planning are, twin turbo's useing stock manifold, should haul some rse.
jury still out on the bionics, cortasone jabs in the intrem, isnt growing old fun. not
cheers john
TheNailman 11-15-2008, 03:22 AM all the best. thanks for the update
Seraphinwolf 11-15-2008, 03:38 PM Which ever you decide to go with just please talk to others that have done it before getting in over your head. For internals I would suggest ecutune.com. Their engine controls are great for NA but I would go full standalone for a race or race powerlevel car. SickSubie's got a supercharged built morot 6speed SVX running the Stage 3 but getting a hydra made for the car and alot more on the way for next year.
-Gaddis
I beleive that rods and pistons have been ordered and Kelfords are doing the heads and cams, ECU i suspect will be a Link as they have one especialy for the Suby i reckon they no what there doing, and can see a ball tearer coming together, cant wait to see it track side
cheers John
Bob the fabricator 11-17-2008, 03:45 PM If I might make a small recommendation, the stock EG33 oil pan has pretty bad oil control. It's fine for a heavy touring car with street tires, but when you place an EG33 into a lighter chassis and add slicks there are some starvation issues.
A friend of mine destroyed his EG33 bottom end this year road racing, and even the Accusump didn't save it this time around. I built him an oil pan with a flat bottom, extra capacity, some extra baffles and trap door around the pickup tube. I'd heartily suggest doing something similar as a purpose-built track car with slick tires will undoubtedly produce some serious G-forces!:D
HTH,
Bob
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/3013738129_82dabcec76_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3275/3014573702_1ff8519dbb_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3152/3013739185_0119d2f7ae_o.jpg
that looks like the buisnes Bob thanks for that, i had taken the sump off and had a look at what could be done, and was thinking along similar lines, i also have given the guys this forum address etc so they can keep up with, and add to as they go along, so if a new boy pops up from Taupo you'll no who it is.
cheers John
Superman10 12-15-2008, 08:22 PM That must take a lot of patience. You're basically building a car from scratch?
TheNailman 12-15-2008, 09:00 PM bob. what an excellent looking piece of metal! very cool
aasim_a 12-15-2008, 09:51 PM this is my first time checking out this thread, its amazing. good luck on the project!
RedefinedTR 12-16-2008, 12:05 PM this is my first time checking out this thread, its amazing. good luck on the project!
Same here..... looks amazing!
jut60 12-16-2008, 06:09 PM wow as well, hope updates keep coming.
Fluid Motorsports 12-19-2008, 04:55 PM what they are planning are, twin turbo's useing stock manifold, should haul some rse.
jury still out on the bionics, cortasone jabs in the intrem, isnt growing old fun. not
cheers john
Which ever you decide to go with just please talk to others that have done it before getting in over your head. For internals I would suggest ecutune.com. Their engine controls are great for NA but I would go full standalone for a race or race powerlevel car. SickSubie's got a supercharged built morot 6speed SVX running the Stage 3 but getting a hydra made for the car and alot more on the way for next year.
-Gaddis
I beleive that rods and pistons have been ordered and Kelfords are doing the heads and cams, ECU i suspect will be a Link as they have one especialy for the Suby i reckon they no what there doing, and can see a ball tearer coming together, cant wait to see it track side
cheers John
I whole-heatedly agree.
In the SVX community we have had very limited success with forced induction on the EG. The high compression and head design very low efficiency yields for boost applications.
Swapping in the pistons (low compression), rods, and other ECU internals by LAN, coupled with a twin turbo, would be a beautiful thing. The only successful CAR with a built EG33 is the (last time I checked) fastest Impreza on the drag strip. But that's a completely different monster obviously, as he just goes fast in a straight line.:p
Defineatly subscribed. Keep us updated.
SeriousInquiry 12-21-2008, 11:40 AM Wow, im subscribed to this.
This is probably one of the biggest projects ive ever seen. Very impressive engineering! You better make us all a video once you fire it up for the first time!
- Ron
amirul 12-30-2008, 12:51 AM thats crazy
In the SVX community we have had very limited success with forced induction on the EG. The high compression and head design very low efficiency yields for boost applications.
After talking with kevin down at kelfords i agree, but the fix is not all that diffulcult or expensive, its the exhaust thats the problem it dosnt flow all that well, but with some reshaping of ports coupled with a valve resize he assures me he can get it to flow some reasonable numbers, then its just doing some homework on a cam design to compliment it and a decent system to get rid of it all
cheers john
LastResort 12-30-2008, 02:55 AM Quite the project! (subscribed)
raheezy69 12-30-2008, 05:31 AM awesome
subscribed!
STi_VA 01-06-2009, 07:37 PM Wow, nice build. Keep up the good work!
leoimpreza 01-07-2009, 10:49 AM Your project looks amazing!!! I like your oil pan materialization ;)! I can't wait to see the end result!!!
00srx 01-09-2009, 06:42 AM hey john
what shop did you sell this to in taupo? Cant wait to see this on powerbuilt motorsport. you should see if NZ performance car would do an article on this, might be able to get some more sponsorship then :D.
michael
Michal, the car is now at Proworks Automotive in Taupo, and they are doing a great job, i will try to get one of them to post some updates.
and beleive it or Not Monty is now finnished
http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/Monty155/
305 hp and 511 kg, and is road leagal, also now lives in Taupo
keep an eye on Classic car Mag
cheers John
00srx 01-09-2009, 07:41 PM Thanks John, will definatly be keeping an eye out for it.
are those other two cars on photobucket your last projects? they look good!
michael
Monty is just one car in two different disguises, road and track trim, you might just see her at Taupo on 31st jan, warning dont take her on , youll loose.lol
cheers John
00srx 01-09-2009, 10:09 PM ah i get it now. i wouldnt dream of it, she scares me just looking at her, especially giving those numbers :lol:
what class\club do you race for cause on the calender 29th is in taupo with the Historic Racing Club, nothing on the 31st.
Michael
Weekend 31st jan 1st feb, i think your looking at last years calendar, i run with the NZ Sports cars, if your there look me up, ill be around
cheers john
00srx 01-10-2009, 12:50 AM must be looking at the wrong calender, no super sports class on it.ive never been to a track day, how many events onduring the day? im only an hour and a half away in te puke so it might not too bad an idea.
Michael
Mike its an HRC meeting, last one of the season at Taupo for us, 2 races sat and 3 on sun, should be a good meet with a couple of new cars entered
cheers John
darko 01-25-2009, 04:20 PM Just ... WOW WOW WOW ...
Nice work !
aresbykes 02-02-2009, 10:31 PM that thing is a beast. I'd never imagine someone doing something like that, but now that i see it, i'm impressed.
GJ!
roadkil 02-03-2009, 12:03 PM Quite cool. What do you have planned for the body shell?
What spring and damper combo are you running in the front? Whats the motion ratio there? It looks like 2.5ish:1.
body shape will be original as per avatar pic, dampers are Koni's all round, front rocker ratio is 1.75 -1
cheers John
zombiedog 02-03-2009, 03:54 PM More pics of progress plz!
This is motivation for doing my version of an Atom with a ej257.
Nice work!
BBBrad 02-05-2009, 05:13 AM Hi nice project. I saw this on trademe a while ago. Good purchase. I am next door to you in marton, building up a mcrae 550 porsche spyder with a closed deck ej20 hybrid. Love to see your project sometime.
Hi Brad, mate youll have to go to Taupo to see it now, as i sold it not long ago reluctantly,
am paitantly waiting for an update from the new owners.
cheers John
There seems to be alot of debate on other forums i've looked at as to what gear box will fit onto the EG33, so heres what ive done .
From what I've heard, Subaru transmissions are weak, including WRXs.
For those who want to fit mismatched trans/engines, Kennedy Engineered Performance (KEP) in LA makes adaptor ("adapter" is a misspelling) kits for a multitude of US-available engines to fit aircooled VW and Porsche transmissions.
Porsche transmissions are the best for midengined applications. The 915 is strong enough but is known for worn bearings and synchros. The G50 is extremely strong and has no wear issues. The 915 trans diff can be flipped to allow front-engined FWD use or siting the trans behind the engine for midengined use. The G50 cannot, so has to remain behind the engine.
I am building a 1984 VW T3 Caravelle GL ("Vanagon" in the States) with an EG33 mated to a 1989 Porsche G50/50 Turbo trans, with Porsche 993 brakes. EG33 conversions are growing in number in the US. I am using the KEP adaptor plate and flywheel with stock Porsche clutch. The engine & trans are in but...
What I would have liked is to fit convert a VW Caravelle Syncro (4WD) or convert mine to 4WD, but this would require me to buy (with what money?) a 4WD Porsche trans & matching front diff, as well as ship a Syncro front-end with subframe from the US.
Basically here I'm trying to fill-in the required 3 newbie postings before I can start a new thread asking about EG33 internals and supercharging. Now, what can I do for a third posting? Eventually there should be 2 threads, one on the Caravelle conversion and one on an SVX-Corolla.
If you reply, please send a copy to my e-mail address, as I hate using forums with so-called "dialup" connections:
<goose1047@gmail.com>
I see evidence of an SVX forum on the site, but the forums list doesn't include an SVX forum.
Does this mean that there was once an SVX forum on the site, but it's been closed?
If so, I can't see a forum that would really be suitable for EG33 postings.
Advice?
Responders please include reply to:
<goose1047@gmail.com>
sick1.8t 03-21-2009, 10:33 AM this forum will probably know alot more about the eg33, and theres even a new zealand section:
http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/
00srx 04-04-2009, 06:15 AM John, is the shop selling the engine?:sadbanana:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Car-parts-accessories/Subaru/Engines/auction-210467372.htm
Looks like it , there puttin a Busa engine in it by the sounds of it , pity.
cheers John
SVXT6 04-22-2009, 05:00 AM John, is the shop selling the engine?:sadbanana:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Car-parts-accessories/Subaru/Engines/auction-210467372.htm
Yeas I saw that SVX engine up for sale.
Then I saw this thread and thought it mite had been from this car.
Are the Plans still availble for it?
yes they are pm me if your interested
cheers
Andreu 11-19-2009, 12:51 AM awesome.................
ulfric1 11-19-2009, 03:12 AM wow just wow keep up the good work man i love that oil pan
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