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This new WRX is fast. Way fast. We tested one earlier this week and the numbers it put out were nothing short of shocking


Out at the track, the new and improved WRX launches hard; all four tires spin as the car leaps forward as if it were rear-ended by a bus. A mere 1.6 sec pass before 30 mph is reached, a time on par with the new BMW M3 (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2009/bmw/m3/index.html) and Cadillac CTS (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2009/cadillac/cts/index.html)-v. Sixty mph comes in 4.8 sec, and the five-door, five-passenger hatchback we tested covered a quarter mile in 13.5 sec at 101.1 mph. That's near a second faster than last year's model and just a tenth slower than the 2008 STI. Consider the $10,000 difference between the base WRX and the homologated rally car, and you'll be asking yourself, "STI why?"
It's better than the 2008 in all the ways we could've asked for. Sorry, 2008 owners.

The full article: Quick Test - 2009 Subaru Impreza WRX (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/112_0810_2009_subaru_impreza_wrx_test/index.html)

did the seats still suck?

me want!

great, now we have Motortrend and C&D on Nabisco. wtf??

great, now we have Motortrend and C&D on Nabisco. wtf??

^ haha well put

Loves it! :P

Very nice.

Looks like the STI will be getting a power boost. It only makes sense, especially given its near-$40K pricetag out the door.

I can't applaud Subaru enough for realizing the 2008 error and making up for it- bigtime. I was seriously put off by the '08 model and now I'm actually considering buying an '09. The Lancer Raliart was tempting, but it just isn't as good a car as the 2009 WRX (but probably is better than the 2008).

did the seats still suck?

me want!

^ haha well put

Loves it! :P

Very nice.

Looks like the STI will be getting a power boost. It only makes sense, especially given its near-$40K pricetag out the door.

I can't applaud Subaru enough for realizing the 2008 error and making up for it- bigtime. I was seriously put off by the '08 model and now I'm actually considering buying an '09. The Lancer Raliart was tempting, but it just isn't as good a car as the 2009 WRX (but probably is better than the 2008).


yes45

glad to see MotorTrend here in our forum :)

wow trading in my car is tempting! ah why are they doing this to me!?!

^^^ Also have an '06. Never tempted to get an '08 as they were uninspiring, but will likely go for an '09. The upgrades are indeed impressive.

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You'll have to ride the bus if you launch your car like this on a regular basis.

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You'll have to ride the bus if you launch your car like this on a regular basis.

heh. heh heh heh. I guess we'll have to wait for the first round of juvenile ownership to find out if they still have glass transmissions.

Nonetheless, the car is very impressive. Gas mileage isn't practical for the amount of driving I do, but if I had the coin for a second car, this would be it.

awesome i want one!

08s got Fd in the A.

I'm not surprised by the numbers. I was waiting for a mag to run sub 5 seconds to 60mph and a mid 13 second pass with the car.

The WRX can finally compete again in the segment it created back in Sept '01 when the first WRXs hit our shores! :banana: :banana: :banana:

heh. heh heh heh. I guess we'll have to wait for the first round of juvenile ownership to find out if they still have glass transmissions.






They never had a glass transmission to start with. Just a bunch of ham fisted drivers. The WRX tranny has proven itself at low 12 sec 1/4 miles power levels for years.
Yet somehow a bunch of people still manage to break them with less.



Group A can manage to drive them VERY fast, and put down a lot of power and never break them
Group B cant manage to not break them. Many of this group break them bone stock.



What does that tell you?

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This new WRX is fast. Way fast. We tested one earlier this week and the numbers it put out were nothing short of shocking

It's better than the 2008 in all the ways we could've asked for. Sorry, 2008 owners.

The full article: Quick Test - 2009 Subaru Impreza WRX (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/112_0810_2009_subaru_impreza_wrx_test/index.html)

Very cool that you are here.
And based on your 1/4mile times, you guys actually have a test driver, that can drive. Please keep it that way. Road & Track and I want to say C&D are always a good half a second if not 3/4sec slower than the cars actually are.

sure it launches hard...once! ...then the tranny breaks and the dealor doesnt warranty it.... have fun

what about the transmission? is it still glass like the prior years... will they warranty the trans if it breaks or cry the user is at fault

The "Stage II" 09 WRX is going to be sick and yes I bet there'll be a few tranny assploded threads soon after much like the 06/07 WRXs with the 3rd gear threads.

I really wish I knew Subaru was going to pump up the 09s before buying my MS3 :(

The whole 0-60 thing for the WRX is so played out it is not even funny.

2009 WRX does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds**

**Before being placed on a flatbed en route to dealership for a quick and happy warranty rejection due to abusive driving :)

wait another year and the new 6 speed will be here

If folks would just keep their cars to the dirt and launch there, they'd be okay. Damn AWD asphalt queens...

sure it launches hard...once! ...then the tranny breaks and the dealor doesnt warranty it.... have fun

And you cant spell dealer :rolleyes:

what about the transmission? is it still glass like the prior years... will they warranty the trans if it breaks or cry the user is at fault

It's supposed to have the LGT gears which are much stronger. Not 6mt strong, but better than previous years.

And you cant spell dealer :rolleyes:


.......and you can't spell cant:lol:

Good news is, I can't imagine Subaru leaving the STi where it is now, not with the WRX so close to it in raw power these days. Unless you're tracking the car fairly regularly, there's not really any justification for the buyer to pay the extra cost to upgrade; you just wouldn't see the benefits.

I forsee good things for the 2010 STi...

It's supposed to have the LGT gears which are much stronger. Not 6mt strong, but better than previous years.

Is that for fact? I thought they only changed some dampeners in the gearbox? If that really is the case, it should be a fair difference over the older tranny.

who would bother with an sti now? its slower :lol:

yeah swap in a JDM intake manifold and your good to go..aswell as injectors you'll be smoking STI's...

If folks would just keep their cars to the dirt and launch there, they'd be okay. Damn AWD asphalt queens...

^^Well said...

One of the good things that may come of the 2008 WRX is a drastically reduced value. Though this sux for current 2008 owners, it will allow those of us on a tighter budget to buy "more car" with less money. Plus, with about 3k in mods + new tires, I'm sure the 08/09 performence gap can be closed.

as far as speed I feel sorry for the sti owners.. truth is you could buy an 09, swap a different tranny or ppg's and be on par with the sti.. and still have money in the bank.. and.. you can have the sedan instead of the hatch! lol..

wow- I just realized this new wrx could have a big impact on ProdGT class for Rally America. More peak power, but more busted trannies? Hmmm...

Frank

I really wish I knew Subaru was going to pump up the 09s before buying my MS3 :(

Amen to that. I traded in the 2003 WRX for my MS3 and now I'm vaguely considering ditching my year-old 2008 Speed3 for an '09 WRX. I still respect the MS3 as an awesome car that's a hell of a lot of fun as a DD, but I miss AWD and I'm not cool with torque-steer... But, then again, I *needed* a new car last year and I'd feel much much worse if I'd bought the '08 WRX.

They say car sales are slumping. I wonder if I could get any sort of a deal on an '09 WRX. :devil:

Poor launch haters. As was previously stated, it can be done without breaking things with proper driving. A good launch is a serious thrill, and is part of the WRX experience.

If you are a launch hater, you are a rex hater IMO. Take your bitter cup of tea and go buy a Cobalt or an MS3.

Amen to that. I traded in the 2003 WRX for my MS3 and now I'm vaguely considering ditching my year-old 2008 Speed3 for an '09 WRX. I still respect the MS3 as an awesome car that's a hell of a lot of fun as a DD, but I miss AWD and I'm not cool with torque-steer... But, then again, I *needed* a new car last year and I'd feel much much worse if I'd bought the '08 WRX.

They say car sales are slumping. I wonder if I could get any sort of a deal on an '09 WRX. :devil:

subaru has been doing about as well as any other car maker, in fact better than Toyota iirc. It'll be interesting to see if the new wrx visibly boosts impreza sales this coming year. I hope it does- subaru did the right thing.

Frank

Poor launch haters. As was previously stated, it can be done without breaking things with proper driving. A good launch is a serious thrill, and is part of the WRX experience.

If you are a launch hater, you are a rex hater IMO. Take your bitter cup of tea and go buy a Cobalt or an MS3.

The "Stage II" 09 WRX is going to be sick and yes I bet there'll be a few tranny assploded threads soon after much like the 06/07 WRXs with the 3rd gear threads.

I really wish I knew Subaru was going to pump up the 09s before buying my MS3 :(

Because MS3's never break motor mounts.

im really happy to see subaru stepping up the wrx, it really does look like they actually listened to fellow nasioc'ers. This just gives us the hopes for the bar raised once more on the sti. I think Subaru needed to do this to stay competitive...and props to them!

Because MS3's never break motor mounts.

Naw, most of the time they just sorta fall apart on the their own. :banana:

im really happy to see subaru stepping up the wrx, it really does look like they actually listened to fellow nasioc'ers. This just gives us the hopes for the bar raised once more on the sti. I think Subaru needed to do this to stay competitive...and props to them!

Subaru must be planning an STi upgrade. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2009 WRX dynos the same as the current Sti.

I could see a displacement bump to 2.7 liters, an 18g-type turbo, and maybe forged pistons and rods. Minimal expense and trouble for 330-350 reliable horsepower. Stiffen the suspension a bit. Car could be priced the same as it is now, just as the '09 rex costs basically the same as the '08.

heh. heh heh heh. I guess we'll have to wait for the first round of juvenile ownership to find out if they still have glass transmissions.

Nonetheless, the car is very impressive. Gas mileage isn't practical for the amount of driving I do, but if I had the coin for a second car, this would be it.

I get 30-32mpg on the highway, and 23ish in town. The new fuel economy rating system is WAY too aggressive. I'd have to drive WOT everywhere, with the windows down, the AC on, and a trunk full of bricks to get the advertised MPG. Still, it's good for CAFE standards.

but will it blow up like some of the '08 STIs have or no?? (about 30 of the 1780 or so production STI's have had major engine failures - pistons mostly, go from normal driving on stock tune or simple Stage 1 tunes)

08/09's don't have glass trannys. Read a book.

Subaru must be planning an STi upgrade. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2009 WRX dynos the same as the current Sti.

I could see a displacement bump to 2.7 liters, an 18g-type turbo, and maybe forged pistons and rods. Minimal expense and trouble for 330-350 reliable horsepower. Stiffen the suspension a bit. Car could be priced the same as it is now, just as the '09 rex costs basically the same as the '08.


You're quite the dreamer.

2.7L? Nope.

subaru has been doing about as well as any other car maker, in fact better than Toyota iirc. It'll be interesting to see if the new wrx visibly boosts impreza sales this coming year. I hope it does- subaru did the right thing.Frank

Any idea what the sales breakdown is between the 08 base Impreza / WRX / STi ?

Unfortunately we havn't known that since 2004. However you can bet that the majority of sales for the 08 were the base impreza, then the WRX and last the STI. That hs most likely been the break down over the years.

but will it blow up like some of the '08 STIs have or no?? (about 30 of the 1780 or so production STI's have had major engine failures - pistons mostly, go from normal driving on stock tune or simple Stage 1 tunes)

The number is probably higher than 30 at this point. Back in September a large dealer near me had already rebuilt 2 engines. If every large subaru dealer has repaired that many, the number would be over 50. And that's not including people that put forged pistons in on their own dime.

Frank

You're quite the dreamer.

Not much more than they did to the '09 rex. Alright, even simpler. Same displacement, but bigger turbo, forged internals.

The number is probably higher than 30 at this point. Back in September a large dealer near me had already rebuilt 2 engines. If every large subaru dealer has repaired that many, the number would be over 50. And that's not including people that put forged pistons in on their own dime.

Frank


The number at time of the recall was around 26 units. I would say that it may be close to 50 but not that much more than that. Also, we have to take into account that there are more units in the market than the number of affected units noted in the Recall (which was around 1800).

Quick question what size turbocharger is in the new WRX 09? They claim to have upgraded the turbo but couldnt figure out which one they were using now. THanks

whatever they do...the people the benefit from it are the ones who buy them. if they stay about the same price and you get much more for your money...your the winner. Its nice even though subaru is a niche type company with a strong following that they still listen to what the customers want.

you will never see forged pistons in a production subaru... at least not in the US.

i would actually consider an 09 wrx sedan... problem is.... my legs are long and hit the friggin steering wheel... the only way i can avoid it is to lower the seat into a position where i look like a pimp in a low rider... i h8 it... hopefully with the 09 they made the wheel go up higher

sure it launches hard...once! ...then the tranny breaks and the dealor doesnt warranty it.... have fun
your screen name is all 4 b spinin-not hatin just think its ironic:lol:

The "Stage II" 09 WRX is going to be sick and yes I bet there'll be a few tranny assploded threads soon after much like the 06/07 WRXs with the 3rd gear threads.

I really wish I knew Subaru was going to pump up the 09s before buying my MS3 :(

I highly doubt the 09's will have the same 3rd gear issues as the 06-07's. That was just a poor design with those ratios and a 3.7fd. The 08-09's have much friendlier ratio's and a 3.9. However, the extra power could prove to be trouble for some people, especially with exhaust and a tune... those things will be nasty.:devil:

Will someone PLEASE get this thing on a dyno with an 08/09 sti for comparison! My monthly budget depends on it:devil:

+1 for a dyno run. I would put money on the numbers being very conservative, especially the torque.

+1 for a dyno run. I would put money on the numbers being very conservative, especially the torque.

Looking at the track times, I'd say super-conservative.

In fact, I'll bet that the '09 hp and tq ratings are actual whp/wtq.

Looking at the track times, I'd say super-conservative.

In fact, I'll bet that the '09 hp and tq ratings are actual whp/wtq.

That might be a bit optimistic, but probably close to sti numbers. Can't imagine what the 09 would put down stage II.

If folks would just keep their cars to the dirt and launch there, they'd be okay. Damn AWD asphalt queens...


yea everyone talks up the awd and how they are sweet rally cars but too afraid to hit the dirt

Quick question what size turbocharger is in the new WRX 09? They claim to have upgraded the turbo but couldnt figure out which one they were using now. THanks

anyone??

anyone??

you really gotta search and read some more, thats probably why people ignored you in the first place. Not hatin just frustrated.

Check out the Official 2009 wrx thread under news&rumors.

The answer to your question is yes, its a different turbo. IIRC, vf52. Its pretty much the same turbo as the vf48 thats in the 2008 sti's. Same size, same cfm @ psi capability. The one difference is, its housed in a legacy gt style housing.

Its practically the only reason why 09 is puttin down 40+hp more than 08 :lol: Probably different injectors too, to be able to accommodate that extra boost. The peak PSI was boosted from 11.3 to 13.6 :banana:

Some of my info might be a slight bit incorrect, experts are welcomed to correct and solidify it.

But please, search next time.

That might be a bit optimistic, but probably close to sti numbers. Can't imagine what the 09 would put down stage II.

Realistically, the same as a stage II Sti. Virtually the same motor, same turbo.

Wow, I know those times are with a hard launch that even with the new gearset you'll most likely destroy something but that's just insane. If the 09 WRX is that quick then Subaru most definitely underrated the power on these cars. Damn I want to trade my 05 in.

Looking at the track times, I'd say super-conservative.

In fact, I'll bet that the '09 hp and tq ratings are actual whp/wtq.

I'm saying slightly lower than sti numbers. Think about it, if they were equal to or greater than sti numbers they would be blowing it out of the water in terms of 0-60 and 1/4 mi times, seeing as how it's what 200-300 lbs lighter.

Its pretty cool. Although not ever worth trading my 08 for 40 more horses. :lol: Just tune mine and get a nice set of performance springs. Besides...insurance is suprisingly more for the 09. I can barely afford mine. At least the 09's get less mpg :lol: 09 is hottness though

LOL so much hating on the new faster WRX...way to be true enthusiasts! :lol:


as far as speed I feel sorry for the sti owners.. truth is you could buy an 09, swap a different tranny or ppg's and be on par with the sti.. and still have money in the bank.. and.. you can have the sedan instead of the hatch! lol..

^So you pay $26k for a WRX then swap in $5k worth of aftermarket gears (plus labor) and you think its now on par with the STI? What about the forged BBS wheels, Brembo brakes, better interior, forged aluminum suspension pieces, forged crank and rods, HID's, DCCD, quicker steering ratio, bigger turbo and intercooler? You can swap all that too and have a frankenstine'ed $45k++ WRX/STI...

I'm not trying to pick on the guy I quoted, but his frame of mine is the same as many other people on the market for a new car. I know this because I've spent the last 6.5 years selling BMW's and MINI's. The fact is everyone that reads Motortrend and other car magazines that stress so highly about 0-60 and quartermile times think that is all that makes a great car. There are so many factors that contribute to quartermile times and it seems a lot of drivers magazines get to test the cars can't launch an AWD car for *****.

If you want to feel sorry for somone, feel sorry for the people who bought in 2008! Sure you can make the 30hp difference in a 2008 just by doing a stage 1 flash with a Cobb Accessport, but if you're not into modifying or want to keep your warranty (yes I know you can unmarry the AP from the car...) you're going to be slower for 3 years.

And why is everyone screaming "glass transmission!" It seems most of the people that have destroyed the WRX gearbox are people that abused it or simply do not know how to drive! And the ones that scream "glass transmission!" probably just read it on the internet and assume it's a POS. My 02 WRX had 120k miles on it when I sold it and with a Blouch 18G 8cm^2 turbo making 310awhp and 285awtq. I sold it to someone who drove it for 3 months and now needs gears. Hmmmm...car lasted so long in my hands and 3 months in the new owner's...GLASS TRANSMISSION!! :lol:

Good job Subaru for recognizing the WRX needs more power to be competitive in today's market! Now up the STI the same amount and make the difference obvious again for "magazine buyer's".

I can't wait for my '09 Red WRX hatch. January (build completion month) is so far away :(

lol, i love all the people who feel bad for us 08 owners. I'm really no defending my car..but, it really does look the SAME as the 09 besides the interior.
and WHO on NASIOC keep their cars stock?

I mean, if they came out with a 2.7 litre...or a better tranny, or rear diff in the 09 I would be pretty angry...but I really don't think a slighty larger turbo is that big of a deal, as I plan on swapping turbos and wheels anyways...

I just think its funny how ppl always bash 08 owners. I love my wrx. And honestly, its more than fast enough. It be nice to have more hp, but not worth the trade in hit or the raise in insurance for an 09. No matter what Subaru does, there will always be ppl complaining. They have never given us anything worth complaining about. Besides...more hp will just get me in more trouble ha!

And....its not all about speed. U might say, "Well the 08's have horrible body roll. The suspension sucks." Honestly, if u can afford a car close to $28 grand, u can obviously afford a set of COBB performance springs and maybe some sway bars :)

Thanks for the imput but i figured all the nice Nasiocers on here would of helped me out with quick answer on what turbo was on here...I was too lazy to search lol to be honest thats all. :D


you really gotta search and read some more, thats probably why people ignored you in the first place. Not hatin just frustrated.

Check out the Official 2009 wrx thread under news&rumors.

The answer to your question is yes, its a different turbo. IIRC, vf52. Its pretty much the same turbo as the vf48 thats in the 2008 sti's. Same size, same cfm @ psi capability. The one difference is, its housed in a legacy gt style housing.

Its practically the only reason why 09 is puttin down 40+hp more than 08 :lol: Probably different injectors too, to be able to accommodate that extra boost. The peak PSI was boosted from 11.3 to 13.6 :banana:

Some of my info might be a slight bit incorrect, experts are welcomed to correct and solidify it.

But please, search next time.

I was just about to buy an 08 sti for about 30k now I don't know.:confused:

I was just about to buy an 08 sti for about 30k now I don't know.:confused:

You're an idiot if you pass up an 08 sti for $30k and buy an 09 WRX.

And....its not all about speed. U might say, "Well the 08's have horrible body roll. The suspension sucks." Honestly, if u can afford a car close to $28 grand, u can obviously afford a set of COBB performance springs and maybe some sway bars :)

how much do endless excuses cost? 08 owners seem to be able to afford a lot of those

Thank you ismegamanthere for slapping some since into me. Plus widebodies and six speeds are more of my style.:D

well is that a new or a used 08? It MUST be used for 30k... Unless your dealer is dying to move a base sti (if you can even call an STI..>BASE lol)

its brand new. they are dying to get rid of the 08s right now as the 09s have landed

damn...I guess they are really pushing the 08's huh... Guess it makes sense due to regular 08 wrx's going for super low 20's.

I would jump on that! As long as insurance dosnt kill you I would be all over that.

is that 30k OTD? If so that is a STEAL... 30K plus T/T/L would be 32K roughly depending on your tax rate.

its 30,160 plus tax. A lot of dealers have them sitting around since the economy has almost killed the car business out here in SoCal. This just means that I get to take advantage of the dealers :banana:

if I could be in an STI (especially NEW) for just over 30K I would be ALL over that!

I just am not in the position to buy right now. Not to mention im finishing school, but im 22 currently so I know it will help a lot once I hit that magical 25 number. I plan to purchase in the next year or so (will be 23/24) so insurance shouldnt be TOO horrible.

Maybe I will see what a left over 2009 sti is going for same time next year. If/WHEN they make the needed updates in power to the 2010 STI, im sure the 09's will be going for a little of nothing!

You're an idiot if you pass up an 08 sti for $30k and buy an 09 WRX.

why?

i won't mention that fact i'd rather have a sedan or coupe sti, but the performance difference is negligible. i understand the added value of parts, but you're talking about a price difference of at least $7500 difference OTD. this doesn't include $30k OTD deealer demo models that have the potential of hard early miles. i'm talking about a brand new WRX that has the same performance as an off-the-lot 2004 STi did. ($29.5K OTD then with no radio). i should know since i bought one.

did i mention i can get a sunroof with the option of a 5 door as well? i think i'll be very happy with my upcoming 4th subaru.

don't get me wrong - the sti has it's place. it just needs to move up the food chain by shaving some weight, more aggressive suspension, and gaining power(320hp 3000lb spec-c sedan please).

i'm talking about a brand new WRX that has the same performance as an off-the-lot 2004 STi did. ($29.5K OTD then with no radio). i should know since i bought one.

did i mention i can get a sunroof with the option of a 5 door as well?



HAHA dreaming??? :)

and... We all know how performance oriented that sunroof is!

This is awsome to hear. Even almost thought of trading in my 03 bugeye, but I rather just get a 2.5 hybrid and be done with it. lol, way cheaper than that. lol. of course i just bought my bugeye about a year ago. :banana:
Good to hear Subaru is progressing though :)

HAHA dreaming??? :)

any enthusiast knows "comparisons" between cars that are this close in performance become driver's races. i'll place my bet on the 5 speed everytime (when driven properly).

especially when given the fact that a premium 09 wrx weighs a little less than even an 08 sti base...

and... We all know how performance oriented that sunroof is!

yeah, the sunroof definitely affected the performance of my swapped 2.5rs. just ask how many 2.5rs owners have complained about their sunroof. i'll shave weight elsewhere. just give me a sunroof.

nice nice. I still love my 08 though. Stage 2 would help it be on par with the 09. Insurance is CHEAP. Esp when you got a corvette to pay for too.

why?

i won't mention that fact i'd rather have a sedan or coupe sti, but the performance difference is negligible. i understand the added value of parts, but you're talking about a price difference of at least $7500 difference OTD. this doesn't include $30k OTD deealer demo models that have the potential of hard early miles. i'm talking about a brand new WRX that has the same performance as an off-the-lot 2004 STi did. ($29.5K OTD then with no radio). i should know since i bought one.

did i mention i can get a sunroof with the option of a 5 door as well? i think i'll be very happy with my upcoming 4th subaru.

don't get me wrong - the sti has it's place. it just needs to move up the food chain by shaving some weight, more aggressive suspension, and gaining power(320hp 3000lb spec-c sedan please).

The performance is negligible? Are you kidding? The 09s are fast, I mean 4.8 to 60 and 13.5 1/4 miles are very impressive #s but let's see how long the 5-speed lasts. The STi is still faster in the straights and around a road course. Honestly, using Motortrends and Road And Tracks figures for the 09 WRX aren't even a good judgment of the 09 WRX straight line times. Once again, both drivers launched the hell out of the car, have fun going back to the dealership with your brand spankin' new 09 and getting denied your warranty for your tranny. Let's also not forget that the STi has MANY more upgrades than the 09 WRX does, I shouldn't even have to say it. This guy has the opportunity to purchase an 08 STi for $30 grand, that's a great deal. An 09 WRX with options is already going to be around $28 grand so $2 grand more for an STi with the far superior 6-speed and a **** load of other goodies? Yes please.

People are just getting way to hung up on the whole "There's no reason to get an STi anymore now that the 09 WRXs are here." There's simply no argument, the STi will ALWAYS be a better performing car than the WRX. Hell, I love the 09 WRXs but there's NO way I'd consider getting one over an STi seeing as how 08 STi price has dropped significantly. Oh, and about the sunroof, overrated. I have a sunroof on my 05 WRX, I barely use it.

EDIT: Just looked at the 09 WRXs on Subarus website, the regular 09 WRX starts at $27,xxx and the 09 Premium starts at $28,xxx. If you tack on the Nav. package for the premium WRX, you're at $30,000. Sti for $30,000>>>WRX for $30,000

Man, I want the new wrx even more now! I was thinking of getting the new RA until I heard of the updated 09 rex. 4.8 to 60 seems hard to believe though as C&D had to do a redline clutch drop to get a 5.1. I wonder what a "real world" 0-60 time would be? I'm talking about a reasonable launch that won't ruin the tranny before its time, say 3-4k rpm. And what about rolling start times 5-60? I know turbos don't post the best times in these, but would be interesting to compare to other cars...

30k for STI is a good deal, unless you find a hatch to be a hideous looking sports car. What is with all the tranny concern? Are the 08 having problems? This new 09 is suppose to have upgrades to handle the power.

I saw an 09 WRX for 24500.00 base at the dealer. With SPT exhaust and some add on be dealer is was 27500 I think. I am going in the morning to check out a DGM sedan that just arrived today.

30k for STI is a good deal, unless you find a hatch to be a hideous looking sports car. What is with all the tranny concern? Are the 08 having problems? This new 09 is suppose to have upgrades to handle the power.

The 5-speed will never be that strong, fact.

Glad to hear 09 WRX has stepped it up a notch, in fact I drove one at Subyfest on the track and it was fast but it wasn't anywhere near my 08 STI when it was at stage 1 let alone stock. 09 had crazy bodyroll, tires squealed like a pig, & trans and clutch was to soft. Sorry to burst your bubbles WRX fanbois but this car isn't an underpowered STI, it's just a WRX with a power boost and STIs' will always have more potential than WRX's.

The 5-speed will never be that strong, fact.


I am new to looking at Subaru. That is why I joined this thread. I am pretty sure I am going to pull the trigger on an 09 WRX sedan. Are you saying the they build a car and the trans cannot take it?

Glad to hear 09 WRX has stepped it up a notch, in fact I drove one at Subyfest on the track and it was fast but it wasn't anywhere near my 08 STI when it was at stage 1 let alone stock. 09 had crazy bodyroll, tires squealed like a pig, & trans and clutch was to soft. Sorry to burst your bubbles WRX fanbois but this car isn't an underpowered STI, it's just a WRX with a power boost and STIs' will always have more potential than WRX's.


And a much larger price tag. My dealer has an 08 STI still sitting for 38k plus. No signs of even getting anywhere near 30k. That dealer must be real desperate to unload for 30. If I am going to spend 38k on a car it will not be for a WAGON/HATCH.

EDIT: Just looked at the 09 WRXs on Subarus website, the regular 09 WRX starts at $27,xxx and the 09 Premium starts at $28,xxx. If you tack on the Nav. package for the premium WRX, you're at $30,000. Sti for $30,000>>>WRX for $30,000

that SAME website has an STI with Nav. package for 39,460, so whats your point?

The performance is negligible? Are you kidding? The 09s are fast, I mean 4.8 to 60 and 13.5 1/4 miles are very impressive #s but let's see how long the 5-speed lasts. The STi is still faster in the straights and around a road course. Honestly, using Motortrends and Road And Tracks figures for the 09 WRX aren't even a good judgment of the 09 WRX straight line times. Once again, both drivers launched the hell out of the car, have fun going back to the dealership with your brand spankin' new 09 and getting denied your warranty for your tranny. Let's also not forget that the STi has MANY more upgrades than the 09 WRX does, I shouldn't even have to say it. This guy has the opportunity to purchase an 08 STi for $30 grand, that's a great deal. An 09 WRX with options is already going to be around $28 grand so $2 grand more for an STi with the far superior 6-speed and a **** load of other goodies? Yes please.

who said anything about taking a brand new car and destroying the transmission. i'm one of the few believers that the "glass tranny" complaints are mostly due to poor driving habits. just like the one you've described so well. i've owned an 02, 04 sti, and a 98 swapped 2.5rs with a JDM EJ205 and a rebuilt rs tranny with 101,000 original miles. the tranny held up fine with double the power. the 08+ 5spd (both LGT and WRX) has already been proven to have a better structural design as well as gearing. i'm not saying it's as overengineered as much as the sti's 6speed and diffs, but i bet it'll handle the additional power well.



People are just getting way to hung up on the whole "There's no reason to get an STi anymore now that the 09 WRXs are here." There's simply no argument, the STi will ALWAYS be a better performing car than the WRX. Hell, I love the 09 WRXs but there's NO way I'd consider getting one over an STi seeing as how 08 STi price has dropped significantly. Oh, and about the sunroof, overrated. I have a sunroof on my 05 WRX, I barely use it.

from the post you quoted:
don't get me wrong - the sti has it's place. it just needs to move up the food chain by shaving some weight, more aggressive suspension, and gaining power(320hp 3000lb spec-c sedan please).

READ! :mad:



EDIT: Just looked at the 09 WRXs on Subarus website, the regular 09 WRX starts at $27,xxx and the 09 Premium starts at $28,xxx. If you tack on the Nav. package for the premium WRX, you're at $30,000. Sti for $30,000>>>WRX for $30,000

$27k :huh:the 2009 WRX base MSRP is $24,995 (most will sell at invoice). If you tack on the NAV? I doubt you can get a STi with NAV for $30k...

i'm saving up right now
these are sweet rides

Glad that Subaru finally fixed the 08's problems. However, if/when I'm in the market for a $30k car, I'll be looking for an older M3 or Z06.

PLEASE PLEASE don't compare the wrx to the sti. With upgrades that cost me $1500 I was able to get 4.2 second to 60 and 12 flat in quarter mile. how much money would you have to spend on a wrx to get it that fast?
if wrx owners want to join the big guys group, they should buy an sti, any sti would do.

It's impressive how much the WRX has stepped up. I own an 02.

I wonder how the 09 wrx will compare to an 09 evo.

Even more I agree with a lot of the posts here... if the 09 WRX is this sick I can only imagine the 09 STi

Now's the time to buy with our economy going down hill if you have the cash and ability to afford such amazing cars.

PLEASE PLEASE don't compare the wrx to the sti. With upgrades that cost me $1500 I was able to get 4.2 second to 60 and 12 flat in quarter mile. how much money would you have to spend on a wrx to get it that fast?
if wrx owners want to join the big guys group, they should buy an sti, any sti would do.

you make it sound like the WRX and STi are opposite in every aspect. IIRC, the only difference engine-wise between the new WRX and STi is ECU tuning and the cylinder heads.

I know gearing plays a vital role in it, too.


Suspension-wise, though, it'll always end up with the STi on top

PLEASE PLEASE don't compare the wrx to the sti. With upgrades that cost me $1500 I was able to get 4.2 second to 60 and 12 flat in quarter mile. how much money would you have to spend on a wrx to get it that fast?
if wrx owners want to join the big guys group, they should buy an sti, any sti would do.

you sir, are a tool :lol:

what did that $1500 go into? i assume you kept the stock turbo. So in that case whatever you put that money into, would have done the same hp gains to the 09 wrx, which has the same exact turbo. And the gearing ratio would make up for its lack to post an equal 60ft time as the STi, due to the limited slip diffs it has.

When your talking about straight line power (strip), your point is moot.

Track and autox, i totally agree that the Sti is far better outta the box.

Motortrend. I kept an open mind and read it even though I'm not a big fan. I was almost all the way to the end and starting to feel a little guilty when true-to-form they had to drop a plug for the Chevy Cobalt SS... :rolleyes:

On another note... I am yet to see an 09" wrx in any of my local dealerships... Subaru are back on my radar.

that SAME website has an STI with Nav. package for 39,460, so whats your point?

My point is that the guy who I replied to can get an 08 STi for $30,000 + taxes. To choose a new 09 WRX which is comparable in price over an 08 STi is just insane.

I just went out and drove an 09 sedan. I don't know why everyone thinks they are so ugly. I actually think they look good. DGM with the new gray wheels looks pretty tough. I think I sold myself on one. I was waiting on a Ralliart but with the numbers on the WRX looking so good, and the RA being a little too boy racer, I think my search is over.

So doesn't the 09's have bigger diameter tires? If so that is contributing to the new 0-60mph and 1/4 mile times.

^^^^^^ nope

The '08 had 205/50-17

The '09 wears 225/45-17

The overall diameters are within 1/10" of each other.

PLEASE PLEASE don't compare the wrx to the sti. With upgrades that cost me $1500 I was able to get 4.2 second to 60 and 12 flat in quarter mile. how much money would you have to spend on a wrx to get it that fast?
if wrx owners want to join the big guys group, they should buy an sti, any sti would do.


This ought to be fun:D
Lot of modded bugeyes would show you their taillights. And still save alot of mulah. ANY wrx be it sti or not is a great place to start.

My point is that the guy who I replied to can get an 08 STi for $30,000 + taxes. To choose a new 09 WRX which is comparable in price over an 08 STi is just insane.

And what EnterTheDragon is trying to show you is that these 2 cars are not comparable in price (read different classes), but are EXTREMELY comparable in performance after the 2009s upgrades.

Like I said before, I'm sure there's a few dealer demo STIs sitting on lots with 100s of hard miles from test drives ready to be purchased at a discount. But when you compare a brand new ordered base sti to a brand new ordered base 09 wrx, your point loses substance.

On top of this, have you even driven either car? How can you argue points when you don't even have the experience or facts to back it up?

I really think that the Sti is a steal at 30k, so much so that I am going to down to pick out a color tonight. I am pretty sure I want OBP as my 05 wrx was that color. When I bought my WRX, I regretted not stepping up and buying an Sti. Don't get me wrong a WRX is a great car but I just think the Sti is better in every way. I need a hatch and I am going to use it for my daily driver since $23ks. One of the only reasons that I was hesitating is that I know subie has to do something to the sti when the '10s comeout.

...4.8 to 60 seems hard to believe though as C&D had to do a redline clutch drop to get a 5.1. I wonder what a "real world" 0-60 time would be? I'm talking about a reasonable launch that won't ruin the tranny before its time, say 3-4k rpm....

4.8 seconds is a "real launch." And a 3-4k start is a bog, not a launch. A properly executed 5k+ launch is the Subaru's advantage, and does not require dumping the clutch. Believe it or not it takes some finesse. Done so, you will not grenade your tranny.

I agree with the posters who say grenaded trannies = bad technique.

This ought to be fun:D
Lot of modded bugeyes would show you their taillights. And still save alot of mulah. ANY wrx be it sti or not is a great place to start.no bugeye with $1500 put in to it could pull a 12 flat in the 1/4, it just isnt possible.

4.8 seconds is a "real launch." And a 3-4k start is a bog, not a launch. A properly executed 5k+ launch is the Subaru's advantage, and does not require dumping the clutch. Believe it or not it takes some finesse. Done so, you will not grenade your tranny.

I agree with the posters who say grenaded trannies = bad tecnique.
the only way to save your tranny on a hard launch is to perform a controlled slip of the clutch. $clutch$<$tranny$

I look forward to when the 09's start trading in their parts for better aftermarket parts. ie. the turbo. :D

no bugeye with $1500 put in to it could pull a 12 flat in the 1/4, it just isnt possible.

Finally someone that understands.

$27k the 2009 WRX base MSRP is $24,995 (most will sell at invoice). If you tack on the NAV? I doubt you can get a STi with NAV for $30k...

Maybe the 24,995 is for the auto 2.5GT. The WRX with the stick is supposed to be higher priced?

The 2009 WRX Sedan base MSRP is $25,690 with destination... The 5dr 5spd WRX is $26,190 MSRP w/dest.

Since we can get these cars at invoice!

09 WRX Sedan = $24,312
09 WRX 5dr = $24,777
09 STI base = $33,730

Now again, these are all base model prices, if we go fully loaded!

Invoice:

09 WRX Sedan = $28,466
09 WRX 5dr = $28,929
09 STI loaded = $37,257

Now real world? Even back in March I was able to get a base STI for 34k OTD so below invoice is expected.

I want new wrx just because now but my 04 wrx is still faster right now :)

You got a good deal on the STI Law, especially for March!

I will be interested to see what SOA does to the 2010 STI's (they almost have to bump the power). If they do that, and the 2009's are not selling I might try to get into one :) That is, only if the 2010 is not worth the upgrade (assuming it gets one).

I want one bad but my 05 will be fine untill I have the cash for a 09

They never had a glass transmission to start with. Just a bunch of ham fisted drivers. The WRX tranny has proven itself at low 12 sec 1/4 miles power levels for years.
Yet somehow a bunch of people still manage to break them with less.



Group A can manage to drive them VERY fast, and put down a lot of power and never break them
Group B cant manage to not break them. Many of this group break them bone stock.



What does that tell you?

i cant agree with this statement more. I had close to 90k and over 350 to the wheels on my bugeye. Stock clutch, tranny, and mill. don't mean to go off topic again but ive been sayin the same damn thing for years.

You got a good deal on the STI Law, especially for March!

I will be interested to see what SOA does to the 2010 STI's (they almost have to bump the power). If they do that, and the 2009's are not selling I might try to get into one :) That is, only if the 2010 is not worth the upgrade (assuming it gets one).

Yup, just a move to direct injection would probably yield a gain of 30hp. In my eyes, the 2010 will have to be a great package to get my dollars. The 08 by then will be past stg 2 though and will probably not be worth the upgrade.

As for people complaining about the WRX transmission, although the 5spd isn't bad its limit is really around 300-350 lb/tq. 02 was weak because of the smaller gears but that was fixed in 03 and from 03 - on we saw much fewer transmission failures.

My WRX was driven hard @ stg 2 (03 wrx) for 120k+ miles and I was still on my STOCK clutch when I traded it in with 130k+ on it!

i cant agree with this statement more. I had close to 90k and over 350 to the wheels on my bugeye. Stock clutch, tranny, and mill. don't mean to go off topic again but ive been sayin the same damn thing for years.

I agree...People just dont know how to drive bottom line...95,000 miles on my 04 wrx making 300 whp but I did upgrade up clutch with the motor swap & I have been lucky so far with mine knock on wood :banana:

you have to remember, everyone that brakes their tranny is going to say how weak the tranny is as well as post about it. not everyone that dosnt brake their "glass" tranny is going to post about how strong it is. we hear all of the problems on this forum about the car. when do you ever hear about the nonproblems? the truth is that the trannys in the wrx are not weak. we can assume that 5% of broken trannys were due to material/build flaw, the other 95% is user error, whether it is bad driving or to much power.

On another note... I am yet to see an 09" wrx in any of my local dealerships... Subaru are back on my radar.

I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think the ship recently arrived at the port but the 2009 WRX cars are not unloaded or at least they have not been listed on Subaru's computer for the New York (and possibly New Jersey) region. Plan on not seeing one on a NY/NJ Subaru dealer lot until the end of the month. Hopefully I'm wrong and they will show up sooner.

Also in the Official 2009 WRX thread there are some links saying the 2009 WRX transmission & differentials are strengthened. IIRC, hardened first gear & half shaft and hardened differentials. Apparently Subaru anticipated hard launches...

Looks like the STI will be getting a power boost. It only makes sense, especially given its near-$40K pricetag out the door.

I can't applaud Subaru enough for realizing the 2008 error and making up for it- bigtime. I was seriously put off by the '08 model and now I'm actually considering buying an '09. The Lancer Raliart was tempting, but it just isn't as good a car as the 2009 WRX (but probably is better than the 2008).


It's okay, Mitsubishi is coming out with a $50,000 Evo X GSR.:lol::lol::lol: It's basically a Limited Version of the Evo X like the Limited Version of the 07STi.

It's okay, Mitsubishi is coming out with a $50,000 Evo X GSR.:lol::lol::lol: It's basically a Limited Version of the Evo X like the Limited Version of the 07STi.


But now why buy an STi when you can buy a 09WRX with 265hp? Why buy an Evo X if you can buy the RallyArt Lancer which is basically a detuned Evo X?

nmgjghjfghdfa!!

But now why buy an STi when you can buy a 09WRX with 265hp? Why buy an Evo X if you can buy the RallyArt Lancer which is basically a detuned Evo X?
The RalliArt isnt a detuned Evo X...it is a beefy Lancer.
Same for the WRX...the STI is an entire package whereas Subaru slaps some more hp on the WRX and people go crazy. I hope everyone buys the crap out of all the Subaru cars so they can pour more money into their flagship...the STI!

The RalliArt isnt a detuned Evo X...it is a beefy Lancer.
Same for the WRX...the STI is an entire package whereas Subaru slaps some more hp on the WRX and people go crazy. I hope everyone buys the crap out of all the Subaru cars so they can pour more money into their flagship...the STI!

And better suspension, transmission, wheels/tires.

Because MS3's never break motor mounts.


Well let's see here...

On the list of things I would rather see break...

Would I rather grenade my tranny or break my motor mount? Which is more likely covered by warranty?


Hmmmm

Well let's see here...

On the list of things I would rather see break...

Would I rather grenade my tranny or break my motor mount? Which is more likely covered by warranty?


Hmmmm


if you're talking stock, then the ms3's motor mounts will go first. and theres no reason why subaru wont warranty a transmission unless you did something wrong and they have proof of it.

Yup, just a move to direct injection would probably yield a gain of 30hp. In my eyes, the 2010 will have to be a great package to get my dollars. The 08 by then will be past stg 2 though and will probably not be worth the upgrade.

As for people complaining about the WRX transmission, although the 5spd isn't bad its limit is really around 300-350 lb/tq. 02 was weak because of the smaller gears but that was fixed in 03 and from 03 - on we saw much fewer transmission failures.

My WRX was driven hard @ stg 2 (03 wrx) for 120k+ miles and I was still on my STOCK clutch when I traded it in with 130k+ on it!

So I think the consensus is that if you are in the market for an 09 WRX or an 09 STI, that the decision is harder. I think that is good for the consumer.

If you have an 08 STI, you are through breaking in your car, and you would like a little extra zip, you will likely go with a stage 1 AP upgrade which should grab 30HP. I got my STI at around 31.5K (no nav), and will upgrade my tune with an AP (+~30hp) so that is about $32.5 for ~330HP.

oh... and I have no desire to mod beyond this (if you do, don't read further... the performance argument breaks down precipitously after this point).

I may be trying to calm myself down, but if the 2010 STI comes out with 330hp, my first instinct is to look at price/performance. I don't think we'll be too far off for the 08 owners that have an AP.

Of course if you are looking for a stronger baseline to launch your mod-crazy-need-for-speed...again, look in the mod forum for speculation on what the 2010 STI MIGHT give you.

The RalliArt isnt a detuned Evo X...it is a beefy Lancer.



So what you're saying it's a beefier lancer with the EVOX engine, EVOIX AWD system, EVOIX dsg gearbox and EVOIX suspension?

BZZZT wrong. It's a detuned EVO.

count me in for one, it's about time

Unfortunately we havn't known that since 2004. However you can bet that the majority of sales for the 08 were the base impreza, then the WRX and last the STI. That hs most likely been the break down over the years.

The numbers will be skewed as some rental agencies use base models..

So what you're saying it's a beefier lancer with the EVOX engine, EVOIX AWD system, EVOIX dsg gearbox and EVOIX suspension?

BZZZT wrong. It's a detuned EVO.


Suspension is Lancer based, not the Evo's.
Also single scroll turbo.

So what you're saying it's a beefier lancer with the EVOX engine, EVOIX AWD system, EVOIX dsg gearbox and EVOIX suspension?

BZZZT wrong. It's a detuned EVO.

The Ralliart has Lancer suspension (not EVO IX suspension like you say) which means it has the standard Lancer track width, and along with that, none of the EVO X bodywork.

Standard crap wheels, brakes, small single-scroll turbo, smaller intercooler.

So yes, it has the 4B11, AWD, and DSG. Installed in what is basically a regular Lancer chassis. I'm not seeing "detuned EVO" here.

i'm by far not an expert but could someone enlighten me to why this new 09 is so fast with only 265hp and im suspecting similar tourque? MY05 cobb stage 2 is putting out 285hp/285tq from what i understand to be a lighter car?

Could it be inflated figures by cobb? Deflated figures from Subaru on the 09? Or could it be that the 2.5 in the 09 gives a munch better low end punch that it rips off the line much harder then the 2.0?

...and WHO on NASIOC keep their cars stock?

<--- bone stock* '04 WRX. Sure I spend 98% of my time in OT, but still! ;)

I'm like to get a look at the interior and see how that stacks up to other 4/5 door cars. I plan on driving my '04 for as long as it will survive, but I really with it were a better "people mover"... more comfortable (especially in the back), better ammenities, etc.


*I have an STi tranny mount, but I don't count that since I still lurch like a frat boy with alcohol poisoning during my often stop-and-go commute.

But now why buy an STi when you can buy a 09WRX with 265hp? Why buy an Evo X if you can buy the RallyArt Lancer which is basically a detuned Evo X?
because it is still not an sti nor an evo

So what you're saying it's a beefier lancer with the EVOX engine, EVOIX AWD system, EVOIX dsg gearbox and EVOIX suspension?

BZZZT wrong. It's a detuned EVO.

For a detuned evo it sure does suck!:lol:

One more data point in support of Subaru transmissions.

03 WRX wagon stage 2
165,000 miles
kartboy SS
stock transmission
stock clutch
original transmission oil
spin the tires several times a week

I don't know if anyone said it.... but you people are forgetting something. If you are launching and the tires are spinning, then you aren't hurting the transmission.

I don't know if anyone said it.... but you people are forgetting something. If you are launching and the tires are spinning, then you aren't hurting the transmission.

Sure, while the tires are spinning it is not "hurting" the tranny, but where does all the stress go when the tires hook up? Axles, tranny, clutch... etc etc... Something has to take it in the rear...

Motor Trend Blows and doesnt know **** about cars

thats what she said

it's great to see a good number of 02-07 owners chiming in about the subaru 5 spd... now knowing that the 08+ 5 spd has been upgraded is even more fuel for the best bang for the buck fire.

IMO - subaru has a real winner here. i was waiting to see what was in store before buying an 08 base. now, i'm glad i did...

I don't know if anyone said it.... but you people are forgetting something. If you are launching and the tires are spinning, then you aren't hurting the transmission.



.....you just keep telling yourself that and everything will be OK:D

^ The truth is, not even a bad number of people can chime in about bad transmissions, its just that those who have problems scream louder than those without, and even those screaming are an uber minority around these parts.

^ The truth is, not even a bad number of people can chime in about bad transmissions, its just that those who have problems scream louder than those without, and even those screaming are an uber minority around these parts.

I put 350lbtq and 100 dyno pulls through my last 5spd and never had a problem, because I did not pound the piss out of it and I know how to drive.
My first 02 Bugeye however, was not so lucky, 2 rebuilds with the last being 1st and 2nd gear sheared off at 300lbtq. Lots of launches and hard shifting.
The 5spd tranny does not handle a lot of abuse, period.
If you know how to drive around it and have a little respect for it, it will last a long time at moderate power and torque levels.

PLEASE PLEASE don't compare the wrx to the sti. With upgrades that cost me $1500 I was able to get 4.2 second to 60 and 12 flat in quarter mile. how much money would you have to spend on a wrx to get it that fast?
if wrx owners want to join the big guys group, they should buy an sti, any sti would do.


This is the reason I don't bother with Sti owners and the reason the subaru community is getting a bad name. With the same $1500 I'd be willing to bet my swapped GC that you can get the same acceleration performance out of an 09 WRX as you did with your Sti. The 09 Sti is gonna be a monster straight out of the box. And WTF is the big guys group, thank god I'm not part of it!

This is the reason I don't bother with Sti owners and the reason the subaru community is getting a bad name. With the same $1500 I'd be willing to bet my swapped GC that you can get the same acceleration performance out of an 09 WRX as you did with your Sti. The 09 Sti is gonna be a monster straight out of the box. And WTF is the big guys group, thank god I'm not part of it!


I am a member of the big boys group, but I am seriously trying to cut my portion sizes down.

Good for Subaru. I am glad they made a better 2009 WRX.
They just need to take some body roll out of the STi and give it a bit more punch were it can hang with EVO Xs at the track and all will be right with the world again.

I am a member of the big boys group, but I am seriously trying to cut my portion sizes down.

Good for Subaru. I am glad they made a better 2009 WRX.
They just need to take some body roll out of the STi and give it a bit more punch were it can hang with EVO Xs at the track and all will be right with the world again.

Us guys that hang out at the track where the Evo's are just throw on a set of sways. Fella's never leaving the street don't really need less body roll to "hang" with the Evo's;)
The STI has no problem in the punch department in relation to the Evo.

Something doesn't sound right. This car offers the same performance as an STI but has 40 less HP? Fishy.

The 09 WRX is 250 pounds lighter than the STI. That is 10% lighter... Even though the OEM Flywheel HP is rated @ 265, it WILL post better than that. Meaning the supposed dyno WHP on 265 flywheel HP SHOULD be 212..Considering the 08 put that to the wheels with a rated 225 hp...something is up (its called UNDERATING!)

So... I am guessing the 09 will put (to the tires) about 240+ WHP

Now what does an STI put down? About the same...SO same WHP with 10% less weigh = slightly faster 0-60.

My take anyway..

The 09 WRX is 250 pounds lighter than the STI. That is 10% lighter... Even though the OEM Flywheel HP is rated @ 265, it WILL post better than that. Meaning the supposed dyno WHP on 265 flywheel HP SHOULD be 212..Considering the 08 put that to the wheels with a rated 225 hp...something is up (its called UNDERATING!)

So... I am guessing the 09 will put (to the tires) about 240+ WHP

Now what does an STI put down? About the same...SO same WHP with 10% less weigh = slightly faster 0-60.

My take anyway..


haha :lol:

why so funny?

I am NOT saying the wrx is on par with the STI in any other way. And yes with changing conditions, the STI might be equal to the 09 wrx in 0-60... BUT they are at least very comparable.

Yes the STI has all the things over the WRX everyone knows...but if the 09 is pulling a 4.8 0-60, it is definitely putting down more power than the 265 rated flywheel!!!

The guy has an STI. He needs to justify the extra 10k so laugh with him. Ultimately the laugh will be on him.

well if I could get a left over 08 STI for within 3k of the 09 wrx I WOULD do it... I would do it for the brembo's and the wide fenders alone, but there is a lot more than that.

But ya... 26OTD vs 35k OTD... its hard to justify (for me anyway) that much money.

so its like a stage 2 out the box but with out the TBE

so its like a stage 2 out the box but with out the TBE


That will be my first modification to it! ...and probably only lol.

that, and AP (when it's available) No need to overdo my daily driver.

^ basically it has a bigger turbo

^ basically it has a bigger turbo
Wow, hey man! Nice to see someone from Agoura!

Anyway, I cant freaking wait to swap an 09 turbo in. This answered all my prayers from Subaru, I can make my own 08/09 hybrid -- I'm just excited I have an obviously great turbo choice with OEM quality and fitment.

Sure, while the tires are spinning it is not "hurting" the tranny, but where does all the stress go when the tires hook up? Axles, tranny, clutch... etc etc... Something has to take it in the rear...
There is more stress on the components at the instant before traction breaks than at any other point.

The guy has an STI. He needs to justify the extra 10k so laugh with him. Ultimately the laugh will be on him.

I am glad I bought my STI... I had an 03 stg 2 WRX with full suspension for the last 5+ years. The STI is in a different league. I would like to "track" the 09 WRX once but since I bought the STI to double as a DD and track duty, I can EASILY justify the extrak 9k...

Regardless of how strong they made the 5spd transmission it will not hold up to redline launches. It will still have a lower limit on horsepower than the STI, it is still a lesser starting point.

If you are going to go mod for mod the STI is the platform to have. If you want to mod the crap out of a car and save a few bucks the 09 WRX might be for you, especially if you can't afford to mod the crap out of an STI :)....

im getting me a 09 wrx.

I found a gray, premium with dimming mirror and armrest for 28.5k. Exactly what I want except for maybe adding the exhaust. They said they would take about 28k for it. Does this sound like a good deal guys? I know you have to take trade-in into consideration too. btw, I really was'nt planning on getting one right away, probably more like 6 months or so so I can pay my cc down a little and check out the new gencoupe first. I just wanted to see what they would offer, plus the dealership is about 90 miles away and there are a couple other dealers only 45 miles away, but they don't have any 09's yet.

Im really shocked that this car didnt get the 6-speed that was in the first year spec-b. It didnt have all the fancy electronic crap like the sti does. The transmissions are almost identical when taking them apart too. The Forster Sti also has a non adjustable 6-speed which i think whould have been perfect.
I puuled out my time slips the other day from my XT- worst- 15.5 @90 (first time). All the rest were from 14.2-13.8 with only a titanium exaust. I Never had trouble with that trans. It was awsome. I wish I had a stack of money as thick as my timeslips!:lol:
I think subaru know that we are going to beating on these transmissions whether the person knows how to drive or just going to try to destoy it. We all remember the 02-03 issues. That shadow will always grace any subaru 5 speed trans.
Subaru has done there homework though. They know about the aftermarket because of the US spec cars and they know most of these cars will not stay stock for long.
I am leaning towards subaru not putting the 6-speed in this car because of the sales it will take away from the STi. Although by putting the 6 speed transmission in the WRX and Forester it will help with costs. one automatic (if they rid themselves of the 4EAT), one 6 speed (in all the turbo cars) and 1 5 speed in the N/A versions of every car.
I have seen transmissions last a long time with drag and autocross abuse. One of the fastest stock turbo WRX's still uses that transmission from 04!! The thing that saved that car was the use of a stock clutch and flywheel.
I think I want this car...

I just purchased my first wrx, an '07 with 15k miles on it. I had to meet the seller at the local subaru dealership because he she had broken 3rd gear. Here is my question:

The car is bone stock. How in the hell did she break 3rd gear at 15k miles. I understand if she was launching the car in 1st gear and broke 1st gear.....but how in the hell did she break 3rd gear? Buschur broke 3rd gear also on his dyno when he was just starting to roll into 3rd gear (however he had a crap load of torque so I understand that one) And from what David Buschur said about 3rd gear, is that it's so small, it looks like it came out of an escort or something like that.

I feel like I'm a decent driver, but now I'm babying 3rd gear all the time even though it's brand new :( Other than that, I love this car!

What turbo is in this car...

It has the STI turbine in it , with a different down pipe , and upgraded mapping . If your a 08 owner like me , you just upgrade and custom tune , no biggie.

How in the hell did she break 3rd gear at 15k miles. I understand if she was launching the car in 1st gear and broke 1st gear.....but how in the hell did she break 3rd gear?

I'll bet I could break a 3rd gear with a hard 4-3 downshift without rev-matching, and then mashing the the throttle randomly after the abused synchros probably did not get the gear to fully engage.

Or pehaps a flat-foot 2-3 shift, again, likely not fully engaging the gear fully, or perhaps grinding the gears and trying to force it in anyway.

It almost certainly was due to bad shifting at the wrong time.

I just purchased my first wrx, an '07 with 15k miles on it. I had to meet the seller at the local subaru dealership because he she had broken 3rd gear. Here is my question:

The car is bone stock. How in the hell did she break 3rd gear at 15k miles. I understand if she was launching the car in 1st gear and broke 1st gear.....but how in the hell did she break 3rd gear? Buschur broke 3rd gear also on his dyno when he was just starting to roll into 3rd gear (however he had a crap load of torque so I understand that one) And from what David Buschur said about 3rd gear, is that it's so small, it looks like it came out of an escort or something like that.

I feel like I'm a decent driver, but now I'm babying 3rd gear all the time even though it's brand new :( Other than that, I love this car!


It may have been her first try with a stick.

This is the reason I don't bother with Sti owners and the reason the subaru community is getting a bad name. With the same $1500 I'd be willing to bet my swapped GC that you can get the same acceleration performance out of an 09 WRX as you did with your Sti. The 09 Sti is gonna be a monster straight out of the box. And WTF is the big guys group, thank god I'm not part of it!
without limited-slip diffs the 09 wrx will always fall behind the 08 sti with comparable mods.

Being able to adjust the DCCD is pricless. Depending on the road condition i move the power around. Can't do that in a Wrx.

Being able to adjust the DCCD is pricless. Depending on the road condition i move the power around. Can't do that in a Wrx.

can you please explain which dccd settings you use for which road conditions and why that dccd setting is optimal for that condition?

I just move it on gut feeling, no real exact science on what setting I put it on. I wake up in the morning, check the weather check the outside temp, start the car up, move the dial and start driving. This is more of late because of winter starting up here in Alaska. Summer time I just dial it back to put power to the rear, unless I plan on hard launches in which case I stick it on Auto. Or in rain where i move the setting up front a little more.
DCCD provides options.

It has the STI turbine in it , with a different down pipe , and upgraded mapping . If your a 08 owner like me , you just upgrade and custom tune , no biggie.

They say its similar. The uppipe and intake side of the turbo has to be different. Same setup as the legacy GT. I know that turbo is different.
I am an 08 owner....08 Honda $hit oops I mean Fit:lol:

I just move it on gut feeling, no real exact science on what setting I put it on. I wake up in the morning, check the weather check the outside temp, start the car up, move the dial and start driving. This is more of late because of winter starting up here in Alaska. Summer time I just dial it back to put power to the rear, unless I plan on hard launches in which case I stick it on Auto. Or in rain where i move the setting up front a little more.
DCCD provides options.

if it's really that vague, then it doesnt really sound like it justifies $10k more than a wrx.

if it's really that vague, then it doesnt really sound like it justifies $10k more than a wrx.


I can't imagine driving without it.:p wasnt trying to jusify it.

EVO's have something similar but with less user input.

DCCD provides options.

Useless options. All it needs is one setting...auto.

Why is the 09 WRX faster than the 08 STI?!?!?!

I think the 08 STI testing results were a slip.

Useless options. All it needs is one setting...auto.

I will completely, 100% disagree with you on that.

Take the car to a gravel road and have some fun. If you have an 08 sti and throw it in auto, notice the dynamics. Then try auto + and auto -... Those settings will show results to the driver on the appropriate road conditions. Then, the manual mode is very helpful as well especially when you need to use the full lock...

as far as speed I feel sorry for the sti owners.. truth is you could buy an 09, swap a different tranny or ppg's and be on par with the sti.. and still have money in the bank.. and.. you can have the sedan instead of the hatch! lol..

:confused:

LOL... who wants a sedan..? Isn't that for older couples with children. Can't fit a drum set, surfboards, keg of beer, golf clubs or anything else in the outdated and heavily ricey looking sedans.

You loose nothing going to the Sport-hatch, but you do gain so much more. Perhaps the many kids on these forums fail to understand the outdated STi isn't a sport Coupe but an old man styled Sedan ....!

lol.. a Wing/Fin doesn't make a car. And thats the only reason 90% of you people care for the outdated 4 door (non-coupe) STi, is because all you see is a big fin and not the actual silhouette of the car. Which quite frankly was luaghed at by almost everyone who was older than 21. Coincidentally, that is why most the older (and richer) STi owners spent money to make their STi's more subdued looking. Because being 28 and picking up a date in a riced out Subaru was embarrasing. Unless you live in California, where that somehow seems to attract the whores.


Now as to your ignorant statement above^^:

How is swapping a tranny make the car "on par" with an STi ..? Seems like a pretty off the cuff statement made by someone who isn't using logic in his reasoning.





Black_Ice
As dark as the subject needs to be.

:confused:

LOL... who wants a sedan..? Isn't that for older couples with children. Can't fit a drum set, surfboards, keg of beer, golf clubs or anything else in the outdated and heavily ricey looking sedans.

You loose nothing going to the Sport-hatch, but you do gain so much more. Perhaps the many kids on these forums fail to understand the outdated STi isn't a sport Coupe but an old man styled Sedan ....!

lol.. a Wing/Fin doesn't make a car. And thats the only reason 90% of you people care for the outdated 4 door (non-coupe) STi, is because all you see is a big fin and not the actual silhouette of the car. Which quite frankly was luaghed at by almost everyone who was older than 21. Coincidentally, that is why most the older (and richer) STi owners spent money to make their STi's more subdued looking. Because being 28 and picking up a date in a riced out Subaru was embarrasing. Unless you live in California, where that somehow seems to attract the whores.


Now as to your ignorant statement above^^:

How is swapping a tranny make the car "on par" with an STi ..? Seems like a pretty off the cuff statement made by someone who isn't using logic in his reasoning.





Black_Ice
As dark as the subject needs to be.



I really enjoy your posts.
Thank you.

This is a great topic, the "mines almost as good as yours" debate. Point is almost is just that, almost.
First lets start with what it would take to make an 09 WRX match an 08 STI on major aspects other than “oh wow, I can almost tie you in a straight line, but darn now my gearbox is broken.” Now I’m not going to waste my time looking up prices for aftermarket parts, you can do that 09 fans, since you will be anyway. Please insert your own dollar amount.
To make a MacGyver 08 STI from your 09 WRX you would start with some simple additions.

Performance:
Bigger intercooler = $
Better suspension = $
18” wheel and tire combo = $
6 speed tranny with LSD’s on both ends = $
Bigger brakes, all four corners = $
Oh, and to make 40 more hp that would take at least a turboback exhaust and say an Accessport = $

Comfort and Utility
S-Drive = $ (understandably lame on most aspects but nice to have when you want to cruise and save some gas)
HID headlights, adjustable = $
Rev alarm and 160 mph speedo = $ (you might need this since your super fast 09 might get past 140)

Add these up and you would probably say, “shoot, maybe saving up a little more cash to have this already done and under warranty is a smarter move. Keeping my car stock and enjoying it’s entry level ability is good for me right now.”

Side note: The 09 WRX is what the 08 should have been performance wise, but what the lead designer was smoking the day this new body design was approved will be a mystery.

I test drove a 09 WRX this week and was quite impressed. The handling was very much improved over the 08 I test drove a month earlier. It sat much flatter through the turns and the summer tires added better grip but still had a very comfortable ride.

I didn't really remember the seats in the 08 but I really like the shoulder support in the 09. They held me in quite well and had no complaint with them at all.

I didn't get to push the car as far as acceleration is concerned, I only hit about 4500 RPM's or so but it felt pretty close to a stage2 2.5L WRX. I can see big power numbers will be coming from a stage2 09. I think do to having the same compressor housing as the STI's turbo this car will see a huge stage1 tune gain in power.

The only thing that I didn't like about the car was the shifter. I really liked its elevated location in comparison to the 2nd Gen Imprezas. It makes the shifter quicker to reach from the steering wheel. I just think the throw was unnaturally long and I had one small miss shift going from 1st to 2nd. I usually don't feel the need for short throw shifters but in this case It may be my first mod.

Now I just need to sell my 02 so I can pick up my 09.

Sounds like your '02 has had a good run. I think the '09 is an ideal replacement.

I wonder what the steering ratio is for the new REX? I hope Subaru learned something from the 13:1 ratio of the Evo8 series.

I test drove an 09 WRX this weekend and must admit that it felt to be a big improvement over the 08 I drove several months ago. Way more snap. Handled decent too. I agree with the comment about the shifter. I couldn't nail down what was weird but it just didn't seem perfect. I guess the short throw would be a first mod. Now if Subaru would just do something about the appearance of these things...........my wife says, " I will not drive something that looks like that."..........

...my wife says, " I will not drive something that looks like that."..........
that's how you wind up with a clutch that lasts 100k instead of 32kmiles!:D

I wonder what the steering ratio is for the new REX? I hope Subaru learned something from the 13:1 ratio of the Evo8 series.

They did not.

I've been told the '09 STI is no different than the '08 with respect to power output. That makes the '09 WRX quite attractive at the price but you can score an '08 STI for as little as $31800 right now (base model...no BBS or NAV). Choices, I must make one. :P

They did not.
pity. If I get an 09 the first thing I'll do is get a QRack 11.5:1 for it. I doubt if the one on my 02 will fit. Maybe the REX is not truly intended to be a driver's car? Well, I know that's not true. So shame on Subaru for not making the steering what it should be. More power is nice. Better handling is nice. So why not superb steering? go figure.

No autotranny! Booo!

***Runs for the weeds***

Sounds like your '02 has had a good run. I think the '09 is an ideal replacement.
176,000 miles of fun

pity. If I get an 09 the first thing I'll do is get a QRack 11.5:1 for it. I doubt if the one on my 02 will fit. Maybe the REX is not truly intended to be a driver's car? Well, I know that's not true. So shame on Subaru for not making the steering what it should be. More power is nice. Better handling is nice. So why not superb steering? go figure.


It does not need a quick rack. It is just fine for 99% of the people that drive it daily. I track my car on a regular basis and the 15:1 works fine.
I would be frightened to see how many STI's punted curbs on a daily basis with a 11.5:1 rack:lol:
......I would prefer a 13:1 rack myself.

New review if you guys haven't seen yet. New 0-60 time from Car and Driver at 4.7 secs and 13.5 1/4. Here is the full review:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/evo_wrx_zone/2009_subaru_impreza_wrx_short_take_road_test

Wow, even faster times! I didn't know it was even quicker than the sti (at least to 60). From what I'm hearing gas mileage is pretty good too and people are getting them for invoice or below already. I really want to check one out before winter, but should pay some bills down and wait to at least check out the RA and gencoupe. I just have to keep telling myself I don't need one, I don't need one...

... I can see big power numbers will be coming from a stage2 09. I think do to having the same compressor housing as the STI's turbo this car will see a huge stage1 tune gain in power.



How do you think before we will see stage2 available? Or even stage1?

First I want to see a dyno on the 09. It has to be identical to the STI numbers seeing as how its quicker 0-60. Granted its like 200 lbs lighter which adds up, but should be close on the hp/tq numbers.

Stage I/II should be quite amazing on the 09. 300+ whp & 320+ wtq on an 09 WRX with very few mods would be awesome :)

Hopefully everything can hold up!

Don't forget it's probably only one shift to get to 60 MPH in a WRX and it's 2 shifts for the STI. This is one area where the 6 speed will hurt you. The 2.5L has enough torque that 6 speed isn't really necessary to stay in the power band.

How do you think before we will see stage2 available? Or even stage1?
We can already reflash with opensource this ecu so basically its possible right now.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/09-wrx-dyno/455063897/?icid=VIDURVAUT07

230/273

I love under-rated engines! Those are about on par with 08 STi numbers... Plus its what 200 lbs lighter?

^^^ lol who would bother with an sti now...? waste of money. get an 09 wrx and be done with it.

^^^ lol who would bother with an sti now...? waste of money. get an 09 wrx and be done with it.

haha Do we have to list the reasons?

Ya know, I own a 2002 WR Blue WRX..When I get back from deployment spring 09' I wanna buy an STI. Considering that subaru has unleashed a beast 2009 WRX for so much less than the STI, and I'm not saying It's better because obviously the 6spd tranny is the best and always will be, all i'm saying is that subaru will and MUST..really theres no question about it..beef up the STI for 2010 or they simply wont sell near as many as they usually do. Kinda like your teenager steppin on dad's toes..Dad's gonna project his superiority. So WRX will never live up to STi standards. I seriously want to wait for 2010 specs before I buy because like I said, Daddy's gonna put his foot down..and the peppy WRX will know it's place.

OR the STi is a money-loser in the USA, so they bump up the WRX in performance and just drop the STi from the lineup a few years down the road...all about $$$.

Yeah, but I gotta be honest. I'd still rock the STI over the WRX anyway. In my opinion, the extra ammenities and widebody are worth the extra 10K. I think I'll have more fun modding the STI (especially in the wheel and tyre department).

First of all, I feel sorry for all 08 WRX owners. I don't care what you say... modding to match a superior car for the same money just sucks.

Secondly, I feel sorry for any 08/09 STI driver that can't pull away from an 09 WRX in a street race. I'd be pissed if I spent 10 grand more and this lower model car stayed side by side with me and my 'big guy' car.

And finally, Subaru is going to sell the ***** out of these 09 rex's so get used to the looks. Sure they are a little harder to spot in a full parking lot but hey, that's what makes our community special... we notice every other subie on the road when all other drivers see just another car in their way.

I can't believe I just wasted my time reading this entire thread, but like some people have already pointed out - it's a great car for the money, but its NO STI.

Having owned an 06, stage 2 I can tell you that my 04 WRX seemed like a piece of crap compared to my STI and I'm sure the same goes for the newer WRX / STI's as well.

They are totally different machines, and if you can't afford an STI you'll buy the WRX. You can run your mouths all you want, but you'll never know what you are missing unless you own both such as I did. The WRX left too much to be desired, to even want to use it at all after a while. The STI's brakes are worth the extra dime for the stopping power - I think some people forget that going fast means you need to stop fast also.

I sold my Supra, and the replacement? Should come as no suprise... another STI probably.

Wow, even faster times! I didn't know it was even quicker than the sti (at least to 60). From what I'm hearing gas mileage is pretty good too and people are getting them for invoice or below already.//
Tis true.

The drivetrain hardware on the STI is certainly worth the price delta. If it had a BMW roundel it would be double that.

if you can't afford an STI you'll buy the WRX

Yeah, everyone that buys a WRX does so because they can't afford an STI. :rolleyes: What a joke. I'd explain my reasons, but since you already know everything...

if subaru bumps up the sti then all the 08 sti owners are gonna get screwed... just like 08 wrx got screwed.

if subaru bumps up the sti then all the 08 sti owners are gonna get screwed... just like 08 wrx got screwed.

Just like all the 01 2.5RS owners got screwed when the USDM rex first came out, or the 05 rex buyers got screwed when the 2.5 liter 06 came out...

Just like all the 01 2.5RS owners got screwed when the USDM rex first came out, or the 05 rex buyers got screwed when the 2.5 liter 06 came out...

did the 05->06 wrx include a 41hp increase, stiffer suspension, and better tires?

did the 05->06 wrx include a 41hp increase, stiffer suspension, and better tires?

Actually for your first question, it did. According to Cobb Tuning's Mustang dyno:
02-05 stock 2.0 liter: 169.9hp/174.3tq
06-07 stock 2.5 liter: 202.0hp/234.0tq

So, +32hp, +60tq.

Remember, the 08's suspension was a softer downgrade from the earlier WRX's. As far as tires go, well can't win 'em all. ;)

Yeah, but I gotta be honest. I'd still rock the STI over the WRX anyway. In my opinion, the extra ammenities and widebody are worth the extra 10K. I think I'll have more fun modding the STI (especially in the wheel and tyre department).

if the sti is worth 10k over the 09 wrx then the $ value difference from the 08 wrx is even bigger.

The fact that they made the car better in every way without raising the price a dollar is why Subaru knocked it outta the park with this one. Of course the STI is worth the money, it's a lot of car for ~38k. But the 09 rex is a TON of car for ~26k.

The fact that they made the car better in every way without raising the price a dollar is why Subaru knocked it outta the park with this one. Of course the STI is worth the money, it's a lot of car for ~38k. But the 09 rex is a TON of car for ~26k.

Actually its a testament to how much money car manufacturers make on cars. The new turbo only costs a few cents more to produce. So do the springs. The tires are few dollars more because of the extra material... but maybe they are the same cost to Subaru. The plastic aero add ons dont cost Subaru a lot of money to produce. It didn't cost Subaru any great amount of money to make the 09s better. In fact it hardly cost them a dollar.

Regardless of the 0-60mph times of the 'new' WRX, the STI is still a better car mechanically speaking. Hell even the driveshaft on the STI is better than on the WRX. STI gets a u-joint and the WRX gets a balljoint.

Yeah, everyone that buys a WRX does so because they can't afford an STI. :rolleyes: What a joke. I'd explain my reasons, but since you already know everything...

Like it or not this is most likely the most COMMON reason. But as with all things there are always examples where this is not true.

I had a 03 WRX that I bought instead of an 04 STI because I didn't feel I needed to spend the extra money (I could have paid cash for both cars and went with the WRX)... We all have our reasons, but most of the time the WRX is the choice because of the money factor, its hard to deny this.

Like it or not this is most likely the most COMMON reason. But as with all things there are always examples where this is not true.

I had a 03 WRX that I bought instead of an 04 STI because I didn't feel I needed to spend the extra money (I could have paid cash for both cars and went with the WRX)... We all have our reasons, but most of the time the WRX is the choice because of the money factor, its hard to deny this.

Well, I wanted a wagon.

Actually its a testament to how much money car manufacturers make on cars. The new turbo only costs a few cents more to produce. So do the springs. The tires are few dollars more because of the extra material... but maybe they are the same cost to Subaru. The plastic aero add ons dont cost Subaru a lot of money to produce. It didn't cost Subaru any great amount of money to make the 09s better. In fact it hardly cost them a dollar.

Regardless of the 0-60mph times of the 'new' WRX, the STI is still a better car mechanically speaking. Hell even the driveshaft on the STI is better than on the WRX. STI gets a u-joint and the WRX gets a balljoint.

*sigh* I knew someone would think like you. I'm not trying to say the wrx is the better car now. Of course the STI is the better car as it will always be (or should be). Just admit that the WRX is now more bang for your buck than the STI. Why do you think a lot of people here are saying "can't wait to see what Subaru does to the 2010 STI to set itself apart." HELLOOOOO!!!!! The STI g#d damn well better whoop the wrx in a straight line.

And BTW how ignorant are you? It took a lot more than a dollar to make all the changes to the rex from 08 to 09. You have to figure out the problems (market research), hypothesize solutions, research and develop possible changes (lab testing), negotiate with manufacturers for the new parts, update factories, and pay ALLLLL the people responsible for this.

Yeah, everyone that buys a WRX does so because they can't afford an STI. :rolleyes: What a joke. I'd explain my reasons, but since you already know everything...

I'd like to hear why you chose the purchase your WRX instead of the STI, as long as your reply doesn't include the sedan body style. In the event that you bought the 4 door because you prefer that to the 5 door hatch I would understand.

Generally though, if people have more money - they spend more money. I find this to be especially true with people who plan to modify the vehicle in the first place. If one wanted to go fast, they would start with the best platform available in their budget. A stage 2 WRX Will put down the power an STi does. A stage 2 STi will put down 40-50 more hp than that, and already be equipped with the WRX's next upgrades... Big brake kit, forged wheels, stiffer suspension, wide body fenders etc.

When I bought my 04 WRX - that was what I could afford. When I purchased my 06 STi, that is what I could afford. So for me, I purchased the best platform I could afford as a starting point.

I did not say anything insulting, and if for some reason you misunderstood me - that wasn't my aim. I was simply discussing my experience with the vehicles since I have owned both in previous years.

I'd like to hear why you chose the purchase your WRX instead of the STI, as long as your reply doesn't include the sedan body style. In the event that you bought the 4 door because you prefer that to the 5 door hatch I would understand.

Generally though, if people have more money - they spend more money.///Or, people have more money because they make intelligent financial decisions. Buying any of these cars isn't.

The STI's I looked at were at $38,000, compared to $28K MSRP for the WRX. I really like the DCCD and the more capable drive train. But for the kind of driving I do - all over New England, with an occasional autocross - the WRX was killer, the STI, overkill.

Or, people have more money because they make intelligent financial decisions. Buying any of these cars isn't.

The STI's I looked at were at $38,000, compared to $28K MSRP for the WRX. I really like the DCCD and the more capable drive train. But for the kind of driving I do - all over New England, with an occasional autocross - the WRX was killer, the STI, overkill.


How true, how do you think we have ended up in financial crisis? People who bit off more than they can chew or need.

Why isn't buying a wrx a good financial decision? I could see the sti or evo as possibly a bad decision due to higher cost to own, maint. and insurance, depending of course if you could afford it easily or not. But the wrx is reasonably priced, safe, gets decent mileage and maint. cost should be reasonable. If you plan to put a lot of after market parts on it maybe not, but compared to other "sporty" cars like the mustang, challenger, camaro, RA, RX-8, I think its a pretty good deal. Sure there may be some "better" deals such as the MS3 or cobalt SS, but I want the reliability of awd.

How true, how do you think we have ended up in financial crisis? People who bit off more than they can chew or need.

I do see way too many people that own STIs on the forums that do not have the financial means to own one. They "say" they do but in reality they are living beyond their means. Living with parents (25years of age), mommy and daddy paying the insurance, their car payments eat up ALL of their monthly income... They say they can afford it but I don't know how some people on the forums I belong to can say that it is fun to afford a car like this when you have time for nothing else...

These are the owners that would make the most sense buying the WRX... it is obviously the better buy and more economical decision! But if you can afford certain cars without a problem, its just a matter of how high you are willing to go and how high your financial situation can take you.

Right not, I can easily afford the STI, in fact I have been debating on buying an 08 M3 but I cannot justify spending that much money on a car EVER even if I can afford it.

No matter how you slice it, cars are a waste of money. Yes, I waste plenty on them and I consider them my hobby and driving is my therapy. Everyone has something that they enjoy and rationalize paying for. As you get older, it becomes harder to justify big ticket items as you realize that ultimately after the first 2-3 months a car is just something to get you around and the novelty soon wears off after you have received your ooohs and aaaahhhs from all your buddies.

No matter how you slice it, cars are a waste of money. Yes, I waste plenty on them and I consider my hobby and driving is my therapy. Everyone has something that they enjoy and rationalize paying for. As you get older, it becomes harder to justify big ticket items as you realize that ultimately after the first 2-3 months a car is just something to get you around and the novelty soon wears off after you have received you ooohs and aaaahhhs from all your buddies.



Right on!

I am living proof that you can make good money and afford an Sti, and not buy one because you don't need it. Heck I didn't need the 09 WRX either, but for my purpose of driving a car to work, the grocery store, and my family, why not pay 30% less and get a car that is 90% of the fun on the street? That is a 60% fun profit!

If you race in one form or another I could see purchasing the Sti, or if you think the badge is worth it.

or if you think the badge is worth it.

Oh it is! I bought it for the badge, but the other stuff is nice too :)

I am living proof that you can make good money and afford an Sti, and not buy one because you don't need it. Heck I didn't need the 09 WRX either, but for my purpose of driving a car to work, the grocery store, and my family, why not pay 30% less and get a car that is 90% of the fun on the street? That is a 60% fun profit!

If you race in one form or another I could see purchasing the Sti, or if you think the badge is worth it.This is a thoughtful approach!

In my case, there are a lot more WRX's at autcrosses I've been to than STi's, so there's less competition, not more. YMMV. Have no intentions to track mine while it's on warranty.

This is a thoughtful approach!

In my case, there are a lot more WRX's at autcrosses I've been to than STi's, so there's less competition, not more. YMMV. Have no intentions to track mine while it's on warranty.

while it's on warranty...FOR ME TO POOP ON!

if subaru bumps up the sti then all the 08 sti owners are gonna get screwed... just like 08 wrx got screwed.

theyre releasing a 330hp and 380hp STI in the UK. I think theyll release something similar here. I already know the 08 sti owners are gonna feel just like us 08 rex owners pretty soon here.

I already know the 08 sti owners are gonna feel just like us 08 rex owners pretty soon here.

Nope, bring it :)

theyre releasing a 330hp and 380hp STI in the UK. I think theyll release something similar here. I already know the 08 sti owners are gonna feel just like us 08 rex owners pretty soon here.

except the '09 STI is already out, so, it's not the same.

...I already know the 08 sti owners are gonna feel just like us 08 rex owners pretty soon here.

yea exactly, and what is this I read earlier about 6 speed tranny coming to the wrx? I read it earlier in the thread and didn't feel like cross-referencing any other threads. By the way? who wants an '08 wrx? cheap?:)

yea exactly, and what is this I read earlier about 6 speed tranny coming to the wrx? I read it earlier in the thread and didn't feel like cross-referencing any other threads. By the way? who wants an '08 wrx? cheap?:)



With the way the economy is heading and also with the future efficiency requirements. I would not be suprised to see the STI phased out of the US marketplace and us only getting the WRX again but perhaps a largely improved variant of the model. Perhaps a really stripped down STI with 6spd but not all the gadgetry...

plus, the 09 WRX with a bov will be making somewhere near 400 hp!!! OMG!!!!!!1

plus, the 09 WRX with a bov will be making somewhere near 400 hp!!! OMG!!!!!!1

oh ya.... i can see it now...


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