Irvine Subaru
03-27-2002, 02:10 PM
$380.00 + shipping and in stock.
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View Full Version : Prodrive Mufflers Irvine Subaru 03-27-2002, 02:10 PM $380.00 + shipping and in stock. Ryan 25RS 03-27-2002, 02:31 PM more info. pics. Irvine Subaru 03-27-2002, 04:00 PM That would be a good idea! ;) http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/merchantfiles/4565264/promuff.jpg Manufactured from stainless steel specifically for the new Impreza WRX with an oval tailpipe following the lines of the rear bumper. Fitting this silencer will give a small increase in performance whilst accentuating the charismatic 'flat 4' exhaust note. Will fit with factory rear spoiler. dwx 03-27-2002, 04:08 PM Actually I think I'll take one if it's for the 2002 WRX. Who do I contact about ordering one? Irvine Subaru 03-27-2002, 04:15 PM Oops again... this is for the MY02 WRX. I'm apparently not all here today. You can contact me directly at 949-452-0100 x107 or PM with a number you can be reached at. Ryan Scooby do 03-27-2002, 07:36 PM Wow thats a good deal! I paid about $100 more, oh well. STiTuner 03-27-2002, 08:47 PM I remember paying a lot more for mine aswell. but it looks a lot better on the car then in bubble wrap ;) Brad Redwinger 03-27-2002, 09:30 PM do ya'll sell one for the MY02 RS? Irvine Subaru 03-27-2002, 11:24 PM Prodrive doesn't make a muffler for an RS, but I do have other alternatives. If the hangers are in the same spot on both cars then it will fit. I know 1 of the hangers is different between the RS and the WRX. Will double check in the AM. Ryan frog2000 03-28-2002, 12:30 AM Hey Ryan I PMed you. I'll call you at 949-452-0100 x107 tomorow. uwrx 03-28-2002, 12:44 AM Hey Irvine, That's my pic being served on my dime, surely a vendor can do better than this :mad: Got mine from Luke at TireRack for $329 + shipping but he's out of stock. $350 is still a good deal for this product. Slvrblt 03-28-2002, 12:59 AM how's the sound on this thing? speed safely Brian :devil: Scoobie Doogie 03-28-2002, 01:28 AM You post a pic on the net and it is anyones to use. If you don't want your photo used you MUST copyright. No you cannot get any $$ if someone uses you photo either...unless copywritten. Dave uwrx 03-28-2002, 01:59 AM I could not care less about the copyright bs, I'm not out to make a buck here. On the other hand I do expect a vendor to at least show me the courtesy of copying the photo to his server so I don't get stuck serving an image being used for his commercial gain. I think this is fair. You might disagree but then again I don't care. Irvine Subaru 03-28-2002, 04:37 AM Originally posted by uwrx Hey Irvine, That's my pic being served on my dime, surely a vendor can do better than this :mad: Really sorry about this. I e-mailed you about using it, but don't know if the i-club mail works (not a PM). If you want me to pull it, no problem. I needed to get a pic and I'm out a digital camera right now. Again, really sorry. Ryan edit: PM'd you. omahasubaru 03-28-2002, 08:28 AM What diameter is the inlet to this back box? Do you carry the older GC8/GF8 WR Sport exhausts too?? Jon Rebellion 03-28-2002, 08:40 AM what kinda "loud" are we talking w/ this muffler? I'd like something not too much louder than stock unless I'm WOT where the more rumble the better. :) Shinji N 03-28-2002, 08:49 AM Originally posted by Scoobie Doogie You post a pic on the net and it is anyones to use. If you don't want your photo used you MUST copyright. No you cannot get any $$ if someone uses you photo either...unless copywritten. Dave I *LOVE* it when someone steals my bandwidth like that. If someone just copies it, hosts it on their own server and posts it, oh well; I could care less. If someone just links to an image on my webserver to post on a forum... :devil: I just replace it with the most hardcore gay pornography I can and watch the chaos ensue. They think twice the next time. SkirtBoy 03-28-2002, 11:54 AM :devil: uwrx 03-28-2002, 12:09 PM Ryan: No problem. Feel free to use the photo as long as you can copy it to your photo server. I never did get your email but I received the PM and thanks for that. Let me know if you need any more photos, I'll should have some good pics of the WR Sport installed if it ever stops raining over here. I might even have a video clip with sound you can use. Drop me a PM if you're interested. Shinji: I like your thinking :lol: I had actually considered a "Shop at TireRack" replacement but mostly as a joke :D As for the rest of you kids who like Dave think that all Internet photos are in the public domain you are WRONG. All intellectual property, even my lousy muffler photo, is automatically covered by copyright law the second it is created. U.S. Copyright Office (http://www.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html#q13) uwrx 03-28-2002, 12:16 PM Robroy72, If the stock muffler hooks up to the MRT then the WR Sport will also. Irvine Subaru 03-28-2002, 01:01 PM uwrx - PM'd you. Ryan alphanumerix 03-28-2002, 02:14 PM bolt on right? and im also curious on how "loud" this muffler can get, thanks Irvine Subaru 03-28-2002, 02:50 PM I just checked and the hangers on the WRX and the RS (MY02) are different on the muffler. This will fit, but will require moving the rear muffler on the hanger. Any exhaust shop should be able to do this. Ryan jblaine 03-28-2002, 04:34 PM I just checked and the hangers on the WRX and the RS (MY02) are different on the muffler. This will fit, but will require moving the rear muffler on the hanger. Any exhaust shop should be able to do this.So, that modification is needed on the RS? Or WRX? Or... Irvine Subaru 03-28-2002, 05:16 PM You would have the change the hangers to fit this to an RS (MY02). The WRX is a direct bolt on. Ryan jblaine 03-28-2002, 05:37 PM Crud. I'm all over this if I'm able to see a pic directly from the back and ideally hear a sound file (pickyness kicks in when it's a $350 sound/feel/look mod and you don't want it to be too loud :) ) I hope I don't miss out. dwx 03-28-2002, 06:31 PM A simple search for prodrive muffler yielded this thread with a few pictures: http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162133 Hedonic Treadmill 03-28-2002, 06:31 PM I second the request for the sound clip. Irvine Subaru 03-28-2002, 07:01 PM Working on the sound clip now. Impreza2fast 03-29-2002, 03:53 AM Cat back or just the rear section only? joe omahasubaru 03-29-2002, 08:52 AM Can you give us sizing diameter information? Jon jblaine 03-29-2002, 08:57 AM From the thread linked several posts up: The tip is 4.5" x 3.5" and the pipe is 2.5" dwx 03-29-2002, 12:03 PM Originally posted by Impreza2fast Cat back or just the rear section only? joe Rear section, axle-back. Phil Irvine Subaru 03-29-2002, 12:31 PM Yes, it is a rear section. The piping is 2.5". Ryan suby2002 03-29-2002, 01:53 PM Ryan, Just received the muffler, looks good. I can't believe it got here in less than 24 hours. Thanks for the rapid response. :) Now if I can only find some money to finish the exhaust system.:devil: Irvine Subaru 03-29-2002, 02:19 PM Originally posted by suby2002 Ryan, Just received the muffler, looks good. I can't believe it got here in less than 24 hours. Thanks for the rapid response. :) Now if I can only find some money to finish the exhaust system.:devil: Not a problem. Let us know if there is anything else you need. :D Ryan nickH 03-29-2002, 02:46 PM Catback??? Does prodrive make a catback system for the WRX? I am interested in Catback system, and I'm also interested in spending less than 600 on it. Irvine Subaru 03-29-2002, 04:00 PM As of right now there is NO cat-back. Just a muffler section. I will be talking to Prodrive on Monday and will find out about getting a center pipe. Ryan Irvine Subaru 03-29-2002, 07:44 PM I've sold out until I get more in. Due in 4/15. Ryan kurichan 03-29-2002, 07:56 PM Here we go again. Opinion flippantly represented as fact. Folks, Scoobie Doggie's opinion (quoted below) is just flat out WRONG. The moment you create a unique image, you own it. Check with the US Copyright Office if you don't believe me. Originally posted by Scoobie Doogie You post a pic on the net and it is anyones to use. If you don't want your photo used you MUST copyright. No you cannot get any $$ if someone uses you photo either...unless copywritten. Dave JSTFERFUN 03-29-2002, 08:15 PM Ryan, I PM'd you. Eric uwrx 03-29-2002, 10:24 PM The ScoobySport down and mid pipes should hook up directly if you're looking for a cat back or turbo back to go with this muffler. A lot of guys on the UK board run this setup. uwrx 03-29-2002, 10:29 PM jblaine, This box is not too loud...trust me. I've got a five year old and this was my major concern. The sound volume is just perfect for me. I'll try and post a sound file tomorrow. WRSport 03-29-2002, 10:59 PM Any chance you can still acquire a Prodrive WR sport muffler? Hence, fits Gc8. _chris jblaine 03-29-2002, 11:08 PM Awesome, I'd love to hear it, uwrx. That'd be cool if you get around to it, but that's a pretty good testimony anyway. WagonMonster 03-30-2002, 08:57 PM I picked mine up from Irvine yesterday and installed it! The whole install took less than a half an hour with the proper tools (Ramps, 14mm Socket, 14mm box wrench and some WD40) The sound is really nice.. At idle it's a quiet, yet distinctive burble. Under acceleration it has a nice throaty growl that will put a big grin on your face and make people notice, but isn't so loud that you'll attract cops. It's a little louder than stock, but the tone is definitely more aggressive. I am very happy with mine! :D Here's a pic of it installed: WagonMonster 03-30-2002, 08:58 PM and another :D uwrx 03-30-2002, 09:06 PM Sorry to let you down guys but my digital camera is just not up to recording a video with decent audio. I'll try and figure something else out. I did get some better shots of the box installed. Ryan, feel free to use these if you want. http://home.attbi.com/~uwrx/106-0648_IMG.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~uwrx/106-0649_IMG.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~uwrx/106-0653_IMG.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~uwrx/106-0652_img.jpg jblaine 03-30-2002, 09:25 PM Thanks for the pics, both of you. They look good. SoLo OnE 03-30-2002, 10:34 PM The prodrive muffler is one of the best looking exhausts for the WRX. The sound is a little bit louder than stock. For the people that are looking for a catback the solution is easy. Just get the ScoobySport rear center pipe. Since all the parts bolt up to the stock locations it will fit fine. thrashvr6 03-31-2002, 08:39 PM Has anyone with this muffler been able to compare it to the sound from a Scoobysport muffler? I had a Scoobysport on my car for about a month, and the volume was just a little too much. I really miss the sound, though! If the prodrive was somewhere between stock and the scoobysport in volume, I would snap one up in a minute. Thanks, Greg WagonMonster 03-31-2002, 09:18 PM Originally posted by thrashvr6 Has anyone with this muffler been able to compare it to the sound from a Scoobysport muffler? I had a Scoobysport on my car for about a month, and the volume was just a little too much. I really miss the sound, though! If the prodrive was somewhere between stock and the scoobysport in volume, I would snap one up in a minute. Thanks, Greg yes ;) aov 03-31-2002, 09:47 PM ...if the tip only looked like the STi one... :( -anders dwx 03-31-2002, 10:06 PM I actually like the tip on the prodrive one better than the sti one. I'm not a big fan of large round tips, that's why this one is appealing to me and probably alot of other people. aov 03-31-2002, 10:39 PM I totally understand that I and like that there are different options out there, especialy when the quality and price are sp reasonable, it just sucks that they somehow think that charging ~$800 for the STi one is acceptable... -anders thrashvr6 04-01-2002, 10:58 AM Originally posted by WagonMonster yes ;) I'm going to take this to mean "Your dream exhuast has arrived. Buy it right this minute!" :lol: - Greg WagonMonster 04-01-2002, 11:48 AM Originally posted by thrashvr6 I'm going to take this to mean "Your dream exhuast has arrived. Buy it right this minute!" :lol: - Greg yes ;) Irvine Subaru 04-01-2002, 01:02 PM Will stopped by my house on Friday after he put the exhaust on. Looked like a little kid with a new toy. Kept talking about how much he liked it. :D:D:D I'll have more soon I hope. Ryan p.s. Happy Late Easter omahasubaru 04-02-2002, 09:28 AM Let me know when your next stock of these come back in. I've always liked them, but didn't figure I'd get much out of the 2.5" size, but since then cars have changed and so have my plans... So now I'm interested. Will any GC8/GF8 fitment ones be coming in your next shipment? Check these nice pics of the exhaust on the best Subaru ever made in my opinion :D (I know you 22B lovers won't agree with me). http://upload.turbosport.co.uk/gallery3/200232804750365363.jpg http://upload.turbosport.co.uk/gallery3/200232804750447545.jpg Thanks - Jon jblaine 04-02-2002, 10:55 AM Is that really the same exhaust as the Prodrive WRS? wighti 04-02-2002, 11:54 AM I've been looking for one of these for my GC8 but, no luck! How much would it take to fit this on my car? Are you getting any to fit the GC8s? I want one BAD!! Irvine Subaru 04-02-2002, 04:31 PM The rear hanger on the muffler is different between the GC and GD. You would have to change that hanger to be able to use this on a GC. Ryan b5m 04-03-2002, 01:50 AM Did anyone manage to create a video or sound file for this Prodrive muffler? I would be very interested to hear since I am thinking of buying one soon. A ScoobySport muffler sounds wonderful but is a bit too loud for my tastes. Conrad Lai 04-03-2002, 02:12 AM Can I still order one? wighti 04-03-2002, 02:18 AM Can I get one without hangers??:) WagonRX 04-03-2002, 02:29 AM Ryan, Please post when you get them in stock and put me on the order list to get one. Russell Irvine Subaru 04-03-2002, 03:45 AM Will bump this as soon as more become available. I'd take an order, but am uncomfortable holding a cc#/money without product. Only in rare situations will anything be prepaid. It's not fair to you and not 100% neccesary to my survival. Ryan omahasubaru 04-03-2002, 08:03 AM Can you order GC8/GF8 versions? If so is the price the same/similar? Jon omahasubaru 04-05-2002, 06:39 AM BTW, I've got the money waiting. gtguy 04-05-2002, 08:14 AM It's worth the wait. I parked next to an AMG Mercedes yesterday morning, and it's shocking how similar the mufflers look. Both have that ovalized, stainless tip. But the Prodrive actually looks nicer. Those worried about the sound need not be. I have a wagon, and the problem for me with mufflers has always been the cargo bay amplifying things. This is not the case with the Prodrive. Mind you, my stock muffler was loud as heck (for a stock WRX box), but the Prodrive isn't any louder than stock at idle, but it is deeper in tone. When you're on it, you get a very nice tone that is never, ever intrusive. At 80 mph, it sounds like stock. When you're in the throttle, if stock is a 2 on the volume meter, the Prodrive is about a 4, while the Stromung is a 6, the Cobb is a 7. Everything else that I have heard is louder. From everything that I hear, the Scoobysport is an 11. :D Oh, this is also the most integrated-looking aftermarket muffler. It looks as if it belongs on the car. That's a hard thing to explain, but those who have them, know what I'm talking about. If you look at pix in this thread of the silver wagon, you'll see what I'm talking about. And it looks much better in person. Kevin wighti 04-05-2002, 02:03 PM Us GC8 guys want that muffler!!! Please Help! Bump!! Bump!! Irvine Subaru 04-05-2002, 02:38 PM Working on it. I e-mailed Prodrive to see if the P1 is available and if it will fit properly without modifying the flange. Will let you guys know as soon as I can. Ryan supermarkus 04-05-2002, 04:14 PM Ditto what Kevin said, this is how the car was meant to sound! I'm seriously loving mine. It's very distinctive, yet not overstated and best of all, it doesn't drone on the highway. It's very stock like at cruising speeds, but under load it growls. blkntz74 04-05-2002, 09:36 PM Anybody use an aftermarket hanger with this exhaust? Can you? Should you? TIA -Scott supermarkus 04-05-2002, 10:39 PM Originally posted by blkntz74 Anybody use an aftermarket hanger with this exhaust? Can you? Should you? TIA -Scott http://i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=168348 Saved you a search. wighti 04-05-2002, 11:29 PM Originally posted by Irvine Subaru Working on it. I e-mailed Prodrive to see if the P1 is available and if it will fit properly without modifying the flange. Will let you guys know as soon as I can. Ryan Thank you very much!! It's either the ScoobySport or the Prodrive. Does anybody know how they compare in Hp & Torq gains? Edit--Sorry, I'll try a search:o :rolleyes: omahasubaru 04-08-2002, 05:36 PM Originally posted by Irvine Subaru Working on it. I e-mailed Prodrive to see if the P1 is available and if it will fit properly without modifying the flange. Will let you guys know as soon as I can. - Ryan This isn't a P1 muffler. This is a P1 with the GC8/GF8 WR Sport fitted on it. Yes beleive it or not Prodrive did offer GC8 products. They did have a WRSport exhaust for the older Impreza's. It's the same one you guys used to sell on you site. When you had that one raven haired lady holding it. Hope fully that will clear things up. Jon dwx 04-08-2002, 06:22 PM Originally posted by wighti Thank you very much!! It's either the ScoobySport or the Prodrive. Does anybody know how they compare in Hp & Torq gains? Edit--Sorry, I'll try a search:o :rolleyes: HP and TQ gains would be negligible with any muffler, imho. It's something I would really get for the look or sound of it. I think it may have helped me a tiny bit seeing as I have a different downpipe/midpipe and the prodrive is a bit freer flowing and 2.5" versus the stock muffler. With the rest of the exhaust stock I'm not sure you'll see much, if anything. Irvine Subaru 04-08-2002, 06:57 PM Originally posted by omahasubaru This isn't a P1 muffler. This is a P1 with the GC8/GF8 WR Sport fitted on it. Yes beleive it or not Prodrive did offer GC8 products. They did have a WRSport exhaust for the older Impreza's. It's the same one you guys used to sell on you site. When you had that one raven haired lady holding it. Hope fully that will clear things up. Jon I know this isnt a P1. The WR Sport series has been around a while. The only reason the P1 wouldn't bolt to stock is because of the flange size being different. I e-mailed Prodrive, just waiting for them to get back to me. If they don't I will be seeing them for Auto Salon at the end of the month. Ryan omahasubaru 04-08-2002, 07:43 PM Cool as truth fully the P1 standard exhaust is the good ole STi standard backbox. I really don't care where the flange is at, as long as the hangers will match up. I have the STi standard backbox fitted to my car and had the SPD custom midpipe that resolved the flange issue. I can re-weld on a flange if needed to make it fit. I will be doing exhaust prior to the backbox further down the road anyway. Thanks and let me know when you hear back. I'm still interested in one, but will need to hear something soon, or I'll be getting coilovers and my funds will be tapped and no room for exhaust (even at this killer price). Thanks again Irvine! - Jon newscooby 04-12-2002, 11:57 AM Ryan, I'm just bumping the thread. I saw gtguy's last night and suddenly feel the need to spend $300. Let us know when you get more :D Thanks Mike :cool: gtguy 04-12-2002, 12:18 PM :D Kevin dolbnyc1 04-12-2002, 12:18 PM Yeah, me tooo, the $$$ is burning a hole in my pocket I don't want to give it to the Olympic Garden chics hurry up! blkntz74 04-12-2002, 10:01 PM I put mine on today:D Me like very much:D This is the only exhaust mod I have right now so obviously no performance gains, but it sounds awesome! I'm back to leaving the radio off again just to hear it grumble. Thanks Ryan -Scott dolbnyc1 04-13-2002, 02:36 AM well i couldnt wait, so I ordered a Borla Cat Back, I will be installing it tomorrow, they say it's loud, oh well we will see Irvine Subaru 04-14-2002, 04:34 AM Hey guys, sorry for the hiatus. I've been in and out of the office a lot due to International Auto Salon being next week. We have a booth and its a lot of co-ordination and ordering stuff and a bunch of other boring stuff. That and I had the opportunity to be in a 'movie'. I haven't heard back from Prodrive yet as to whether they will send me exhausts for the GC body. I did find out that the next batch of GD exhausts will be arriving within a week to a week and a half. I'll post as soon as the carrier drops them off. Those that got theirs, glad to know you're enjoying them. They really do have great sound quality. Ryan WagonMonster 04-14-2002, 01:16 PM I **Heart** My Prodrive Muffler :D Bigpants 04-15-2002, 12:02 PM Well, dolbnyc1, what do you think about the Borla? Dana rex555 04-15-2002, 09:25 PM How much louder is this muffler over stock? / over the scoobysport? Godmal 04-16-2002, 12:05 AM I'm being lazy and not reading the entire thread before I post, so go ahead and flame if you want, but... Does anyojne know if this muffler will fit on the APS turboback setup? I really like this muffler and would rather have it than the one I am currently running. rlburg 04-16-2002, 12:50 AM Ryan, Please send me a PM if possible when you get your new shipment of the muffler instock. I am very interested in purchasing one. Thanks. uwrx 04-16-2002, 02:19 AM Godmal, If you can fit the stock muffler to the APS turbo back then you can fit the Prodrive. gtguy 04-16-2002, 07:32 AM Originally posted by rex555 How much louder is this muffler over stock? / over the scoobysport? The Prodrive is barely louder than stock, and not at all intrusive. It is, as far as I know, the quietest muffler for Scoobies out there, which explains why I like it so much. :lol: Kevin supermarkus 04-16-2002, 10:00 AM Get this, I actually heard my car backfire a little today with this muffler. The stock unit NEVER let me hear any backfire. It sounds so much sportier now with more bass and a little more backfire. Now that the muffler has burned in a little, the volume is up slightly at WOT and at startup. But at cruise and idle, you can carry on a normal conversation with the stereo on 3-4, my girlfriend couldn't even tell anything was different and she hates loud exhausts. wighti 04-16-2002, 11:17 AM Originally posted by gtguy The Prodrive is barely louder than stock, and not at all intrusive. It is, as far as I know, the quietest muffler for Scoobies out there, which explains why I like it so much. :lol: Kevin Maybe that's why people say they don't see any gains (hp&tq) with the Prodrive. But, I think the Loud Ass Scoobysport will give better gains. supermarkus 04-17-2002, 02:43 AM Loud or not, you're not going to get noticable gains with just a muffler. I don't care who makes it, just an axle back isn't going to throw you into the 240 hp range. I have yet to see conclusive proof that any muffler alone can give appreciable hp gains. Prove me wrong, please. newscooby 04-17-2002, 09:55 AM I'm sure your correct, but the ability to hear what my engine is doing is good enough to register gains with my ass dyno. Given my piece of crap OEM muffler looks like crap (well, the pipe leading to the muffler actually) after this winter. I think the $300 and change spent on a good SS piece that doesn't drone and get obnoxiosly loud is well spent. YMMV :D Mike :cool: wighti 04-17-2002, 10:37 AM I think I was still sleepping when I posted that! I've seen the SS cat-back will give gains. NOT just the muffler. Will the Prodrive mount up to the SS midpipe?? supermarkus 04-17-2002, 10:52 AM From what I've seen in my research... YES! This is exactly the route I'm going to take if I can scare up enough money. If not I'll just have a stainless 2.5" pipe bent for me somewhere, I'm pretty sure that'll cost less than the Scooby Sport mid pipes. newscooby: It IS money well spent, it's so much easier to match revs by hearing now, I don't always have to take my eyes off the road to check my revs. 2QUICK4U 04-17-2002, 01:46 PM Hey Ryan, Is there anyway to get just the exhaust tip from one of these. I need something for the end of my MRT. Let me know, Frank WagonMonster 04-17-2002, 02:04 PM Originally posted by 2QUICK4U Hey Ryan, Is there anyway to get just the exhaust tip from one of these. I need something for the end of my MRT. Let me know, Frank The tip on the prodrive muffler is welded on and would be too big for the MRT exhaust anyway, sorry. GRWRX 04-17-2002, 08:37 PM Did anyone post a sound-clip? Rattler 04-18-2002, 05:50 PM I have a BOrla cat-back now. After installing a downipipe, I am getting kind of tired of the volume it has. Anyone know if this muffler should bolt-up to the Borla? I need something to quiet it down some. I heard the Prodrive at a recent install day and liked it. dolbnyc1 04-18-2002, 06:23 PM I too have the Borla Cat back, and the funny thing about that exhaust is, that all of the noise is in and under the car, or near it, if you are up or down the street from it you can hardly hear it. It definitely drones too much, and its all local noise from within the car. The Prodrive will not bolt up to the Borla. maybe you can get someone to buy it off of you, and then you can put the prodrive back on with the stock midpipe. Rattler 04-20-2002, 07:08 AM The stocker is sitting in the garage. Shouldn't be too big of a hassle. I think it took us 20 minutes to put the Borla on. What is the ETA for more? I know another place that won't have them until the 20th of May. Scottie 04-20-2002, 05:14 PM Originally posted by gtguy The Prodrive is barely louder than stock, and not at all intrusive. It is, as far as I know, the quietest muffler for Scoobies out there, which explains why I like it so much. :lol: Kevin What about the the AVO/SPO turbo back system? The Oct. 2001 issue of SCC said that system was very quiet. It has the added benefit of providing some decent low end grunt. That SPO stage I car had the sweetest torque curve (from a daily drivers perspective) of any car in that "Great Expectations" article. Granted it had a few more add-ons than just the turbo-back system, but my guess is that the exhaust had the most to do with the low end improvement. From the graph, it looked like the the SPO stage I car was making the same torgue as the stock car@3500rpm some 400rpm sooner. Not too shabby. gtguy 04-20-2002, 10:28 PM I don't trust SCC as far as I can throw them when it comes to assessments like that, and I'm not into turbo-back systems. The stock setup is fine, it just needs a better voice, IMHO. :D Kevin supermarkus 04-20-2002, 11:07 PM I posted a link to my sound bites in this thread http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1813953 Scottie 04-21-2002, 05:07 PM Originally posted by gtguy I don't trust SCC as far as I can throw them when it comes to assessments like that,.... :D Kevin Are you referring to SCC's subjective opinion of the sound, or the objective numbers presented in the torque and horsepower curves? nhluhr 04-22-2002, 01:17 AM Originally posted by gtguy When you're in the throttle, if stock is a 2 on the volume meter, the Prodrive is about a 4, while the Stromung is a 6, the Cobb is a 7. Everything else that I have heard is louder. From everything that I hear, the Scoobysport is an 11. :D These amplifiers are specially made. Most amplifiers only go up to 10, but ours go up to eleven!!!!! haha. Rattler 04-22-2002, 02:20 AM Spinal Tap rules! Only 2 other movies with more quotes: Pupl Fiction and Slapshot. Well, ok, BLues Brothers and Animal House are close too. gtguy 04-22-2002, 08:54 AM Originally posted by Scottie Are you referring to SCC's subjective opinion of the sound, or the objective numbers presented in the torque and horsepower curves? Subjective opinion of the sound, Scottie. One man's loud is another man's livable. The overall boy racer tone of the magazine leads me to believe that they will tolerate a much louder exhaust than I will, in my old age. :D Kevin omahasubaru 04-22-2002, 09:53 AM Originally posted by Irvine Subaru Hey guys, sorry for the hiatus. I've been in and out of the office a lot due to International Auto Salon being next week. We have a booth and its a lot of co-ordination and ordering stuff and a bunch of other boring stuff. That and I had the opportunity to be in a 'movie'. I haven't heard back from Prodrive yet as to whether they will send me exhausts for the GC body. I did find out that the next batch of GD exhausts will be arriving within a week to a week and a half. I'll post as soon as the carrier drops them off. Those that got theirs, glad to know you're enjoying them. They really do have great sound quality. - Ryan Well I'm ready to order. I'm putting a hold on the coilovers as I want to get the engine bought and built up soon as the stock RS suspension will do me fine. I'll take the GDA version if I have to. Only one hanger will need to be moved and I can just bend up a new midpipe to fit with a different flange on the end. Let me know if you next shipment has come in and I'll give you a call and order today. Jon WagonRX 04-28-2002, 07:44 PM Ryan, Any in stock yet? Jman73 04-28-2002, 11:46 PM Damn that sounds good! I think SCC did a write up on WRX Exhuast systems recently. At least that is what my friend said.......If someone has this issue, please post a summary of the findings. Irvine Subaru (Ryan), Let me know when you get more of these in stock. Word. Jeff bdel-WRX 04-29-2002, 04:22 AM To Irvine Subaru... how much for the labor if I decided to get it done from you guys?... Irvine is now closer to Long Beach now that I have WRX. Irvine Subaru 04-29-2002, 01:02 PM Should be getting more in this week. Ryan Irvine Subaru 04-29-2002, 04:06 PM They just showed up. 10 available. Still $350.00 plus shipping. Ryan :D:D:D I am b 04-29-2002, 04:35 PM Hey Ryan, do you guys have any cars over there that have one installed on it? I'm almost positive i'll be there this week to pick one up but wanted to hear one first. BOP 04-29-2002, 04:36 PM this is pointless Irvine Subaru 04-29-2002, 04:40 PM No cars with any installed because they sold so fast. I might be able to get one on a car... we'll have to see. Ryan supermarkus 04-29-2002, 04:56 PM I posted sound bites in the car parts forum. Keep in mind they are with the mic 4" away from the exhaust pipe, stand about 3 feetaway from your computer to simulate the actual sound ;) Irvine Subaru 04-29-2002, 05:17 PM Originally posted by supermarkus I posted sound bites in the car parts forum. Keep in mind they are with the mic 4" away from the exhaust pipe, stand about 3 feetaway from your computer to simulate the actual sound ;) I can see a bunch of people now... standing away from their computers with muffler noises coming out, wives and co-workers wondering what the hell they're doing. "Praying to the car Gods" you should tell them. :lol::lol: I am b 04-29-2002, 05:44 PM :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That was me just a few minutes ago!!! Somebody asked me if it was a Harley!!! The bites sound a little computerized:( You know what I mean. I also just asked the wife........so who knows ryan! :D :( Aaron Irvine Subaru 04-29-2002, 07:23 PM You must be firm and stand tall my friend (insert patriotic music). Ryan fullyimprezed 04-29-2002, 07:27 PM Ryan, Are these going to be a regularly stocked item, or a catch as you can item? My car was just hit (only two months old) :mad:, so I don't want to mod it until after it comes back out of the body shop maybe in a month or so. So I was trying to decide do I buy it now and store it in my garage, or what until I get my car back? Thanks.... Irvine Subaru 04-29-2002, 08:00 PM I get 10-15 at a time and they go pretty fast. I try to stock them, but its hard. Ryan rugby9 04-29-2002, 08:26 PM 2 questions: 1. What is the size of opening 4" ,4.5" bigger or smaller 2. Is there a silencer installed, or can you buy one. Listening to the sound clips, I don't think there is a need for one, just checking though. Thanks WagonRX 04-29-2002, 09:35 PM Ryan, e-mailed you driggity 04-29-2002, 11:40 PM How much for shipping to 98058? Thanks And I assume you take credit cards. Am I right? driggity 04-29-2002, 11:41 PM oops.... double post wighti 04-30-2002, 12:32 PM Any info on the GC8 muffler yet?? wighti 04-30-2002, 12:36 PM doh! Irvine Subaru 04-30-2002, 02:30 PM There is no silencer, but if you felt the need could add one in the center pipe. The opening is about 4", but will measure for sure once I get a chance today. We do take CC. One hanger is different than the GC so if you were willing to take it to a muffler shop and have the hanger re-welded it would work on a GC chassis. Other than that, no news on the GC muffler. Ryan wighti 04-30-2002, 02:37 PM So, I could use the same hangers and just weld them in a different spot? Irvine Subaru 04-30-2002, 03:11 PM Correct. Conrad Lai 04-30-2002, 05:45 PM Is this a cat-back muffler? Irvine Subaru 04-30-2002, 05:58 PM This is the rear muffler section only. It does not come with a center pipe. Ryan ScoobieBoy 04-30-2002, 06:08 PM Ryan...PM'd you..... Irvine Subaru 04-30-2002, 06:27 PM K WagonRX 05-01-2002, 12:46 AM Ryan, I was the guy you were taking today and my phone cut off. I sent the money order out today and you should get it by tomarrow. I forgot to to tell you my name. Thanks, Russell wighti 05-01-2002, 10:48 AM Could sombody PLEASE post a clip of the stock exhuast? So I could compare the two. Thanks lark6 05-01-2002, 04:31 PM Hello Ryan @ Irvine. A lone voice in the wilderness here who'd like to know if you can source the WR Sport muffler (backbox) for the Forester. I came across two such beasts on a trip to the UK in November 2000. Thank you, Ed Irvine Subaru 05-02-2002, 10:30 AM Ed, Will ask. Ryan lark6 05-02-2002, 12:26 PM Originally posted by Irvine Subaru Ed, Will ask. Ryan Thanks, Ryan. That's all I can ask. Ed omahasubaru 05-02-2002, 02:46 PM It will be very similar to the GC8 old school 93-01 impreza one... so if you can get the Forester from Prodrive, you can get the GC8 one too. Talk you Mastro if you have to, they used to sell the GC8 version. Thanks - Jon WagonRX 05-03-2002, 09:48 PM I got mine today :D . Thanks for the fast shipping. rex555 05-04-2002, 12:16 AM Hi Ryan, I pmed and emailed you but no response. Can you tell me how much for shipping to Toronto ON Canada? Thank you JSTFERFUN 05-05-2002, 03:31 AM Hey Ryan! Free bump. My Prodrive "back box" has been great. Definitely increases the joy of driving the WRX! See ya. Eric Irvine Subaru 05-06-2002, 12:51 PM If you e-mailed and PM'd during this last weekend then I was out. I was competing in the Rim of the World Rally in Palmdale, CA. Getting to messages and PM's now. Ryan mexicanpizza 05-08-2002, 01:05 AM Only because I was dissatisfied with the above audio clips...I made one (with pics too!) today when I installed mine... Check it out HERE!!!!!!!!! (http://www.stanford.edu/~olivares/prodrive-muffler.avi) -=Eric Irvine Subaru 05-08-2002, 01:35 PM Sweet. supermarkus 05-08-2002, 01:42 PM Niiiice! Until I had my engine mounts installed yesterday, I had never really heard my car being driven by someone else, just idling and reving. It's very aggressive sounding from the outside, yet not alarm bustingly loud. Very well done. Irvine Subaru 05-08-2002, 07:05 PM Hey guys, I'm out of these right now, but will have more in a couple weeks. Will let everyone know as soon as they arrive. Ryan no_rex_yet 05-09-2002, 12:51 PM Whew, looks like I got my order in b/f they ran out of stock :D I'm hoping that the Prodrive will be a bit quieter than the TurboXS muffler I had, and sold. Listening to sound clips, it seems the Prodrive is less "rumbly" at idle and revs. Hope so, as I found the TurboXS to be too drony on the highway. At 80, I could hear constant exhaust, which was quite annoying. Visually, it looks like the Prodrive muffler itself is much larger, as it extends upwards, similar to the stock muffler. The TurboXS Magnaflow was much narrower, or flatter than stock, which I suppose gives it less noise suppression. Also, the Prodrive tip looks resonated with the internal perforations, and extends past the bumper. In contrast, the TurboXS tip stopped just short of the bumper. I think someone posted once that this would help with noise as well. Can't wait to get the Prodrive; hope it's what I'm looking for. gtguy 05-09-2002, 02:32 PM Originally posted by no_rex_yet Whew, looks like I got my order in b/f they ran out of stock :D I'm hoping that the Prodrive will be a bit quieter than the TurboXS muffler I had, and sold. Listening to sound clips, it seems the Prodrive is less "rumbly" at idle and revs. Hope so, as I found the TurboXS to be too drony on the highway. At 80, I could hear constant exhaust, which was quite annoying. Visually, it looks like the Prodrive muffler itself is much larger, as it extends upwards, similar to the stock muffler. The TurboXS Magnaflow was much narrower, or flatter than stock, which I suppose gives it less noise suppression. Also, the Prodrive tip looks resonated with the internal perforations, and extends past the bumper. In contrast, the TurboXS tip stopped just short of the bumper. I think someone posted once that this would help with noise as well. Can't wait to get the Prodrive; hope it's what I'm looking for. It will be, rex. Us wagoneers have special problems because of the cargo bay amplifying any unwanted sonic characteristics. I was looking for the same things that you're after, and the Prodrive is it. And the extended tip does indeed help. I had a Stromung on my Legacy GT wagon that was driving me crazy, until I sent it to Stromung to have the tip extended so that it went an inch past the bumper valence. Made a LOT of difference in terms of noise intrusion. Kevin no_rex_yet 05-09-2002, 04:52 PM Awesome, Kevin. I'm holding you to that 2, 4, 6 muffler sound rating you did in that other post :D Can't wait! A-Train 05-09-2002, 05:40 PM Ryan you have mail Andrew New Blue 02 05-09-2002, 06:04 PM any idea whether this muffler will fit a wrx sedan with a trailer hitch installed? this sounds like exactly what i want. enough so that i might consider losing or modifying the hitch. thanks. Irvine Subaru 05-09-2002, 06:07 PM I dont see why it wouldnt, but don't know for sure. Ditch the hitch. Too stressful on that car. Ryan A-Train 05-09-2002, 07:13 PM Ryan did you get my mail??? pinesol90@linkline.com Irvine Subaru 05-09-2002, 08:06 PM Checking mail here in a few minutes. If you dont hear back try scoobyparts@hotmail.com My Irvine mail is weird sometimes. Ryan BOP 05-11-2002, 03:06 PM this is pointless skyhon 05-12-2002, 02:46 AM Are all the hangers different on the muffler for MY02 RS or just one of it? Irvine Subaru 05-13-2002, 12:44 PM There is one hanger that is on the opposite side as the WRX. Thats the only one that is a big deal. Ryan Taff67 05-13-2002, 01:41 PM Ryan, When will the mufflers be back in stock? no_rex_yet 05-13-2002, 11:29 PM Installed my exhaust today, and it's AWESOME! Nice, subtle rumble, but no annoying droning at all. Cruising at 60-80mph, the exhaust blends in with road roar. But, as you accelerate, it provides a nice rip. What I like best about it is it complements the engine music, instead of drowning it out. The TurboXS muffler I had was loud enough to drown out the hissing of my chopped resonator box (along with all other engine noise) during acceleration. Also, the TurboXS had a much deeper sound; the bass cuts right through the body, and becomes quickly annoying. The Prodrive is almost silent in comparison. Ok, now for the bad news. The box it came in was heavily damaged during shipping. 2 of the hangers were poking out of the box (punched through), and the muffler can had a small dent/crease on the top portion. It wasn't bad enough to return it, but annoying nonetheless. UPS adds to its crappy track record -- I have scratches all over my UK OEM rims from Vivid Racing due to their carelessness. Too bad I'm too impatient to make claims with them. :monkey: UPS Also, the flange bumps into the rear diff protector. I'm going to have to take off the protector--hate that damn thing anyways. It always makes it such a pain to install the exhaust. Stupid dealer had it included with the car. Does anyone know if you need to get new, shorter screws to replace the 4 around the protector? Rattler 05-14-2002, 12:46 AM UPS and their new slogan. They almost made something "brown" out of your package. How much more appropriate could they have made a slogan. supermarkus 05-14-2002, 01:56 AM Originally posted by no_rex_yet Ok, now for the bad news. The box it came in was heavily damaged during shipping. 2 of the hangers were poking out of the box (punched through), and the muffler can had a small dent/crease on the top portion. It wasn't bad enough to return it, but annoying nonetheless. UPS adds to its crappy track record -- I have scratches all over my UK OEM rims from Vivid Racing due to their carelessness. Too bad I'm too impatient to make claims with them. :monkey: UPS Also, the flange bumps into the rear diff protector. I'm going to have to take off the protector--hate that damn thing anyways. It always makes it such a pain to install the exhaust. Stupid dealer had it included with the car. Does anyone know if you need to get new, shorter screws to replace the 4 around the protector? My muffler came in the same condition. The receiving guy at work gave UPS the friggin 3rd degree when he signed for it. The delivery guy was so embarrassed. The can was slightly dented in one spot but it's on the top of the muffler so it's tucked out of sight. My advice is to get the Kartboy exhaust hangers and scoot the muffler slightly to the left to keep it away from the diff protector. Mine is close but doesn't hit or rattle and I didn't have to mess with the diff protector bolts at all. All you really need are 3 of the 4 hangers, the one on the mid pipe can be a bear to install anyway. Irvine Subaru 05-15-2002, 05:24 PM Arghhh, UPS. The thorn in my side at times. I'll see what I can do about this. As far as the flange hitting... We found that on all the aftermarket cat-backs and muffler sections this happens with the rear diff. protector. The Cusco hangers help a bit, but dont solve the problem. You could trim the bolts, but then you cant get the protector on and off. I just took mine off completely. I've retired my wagon from dirt use anyways. Ryan lark6 05-16-2002, 06:43 AM Originally posted by lark6 Hello Ryan @ Irvine. A lone voice in the wilderness here who'd like to know if you can source the WR Sport muffler (backbox) for the Forester. I came across two such beasts on a trip to the UK in November 2000. Thank you, Ed Any updates? Thanks. gtguy 05-16-2002, 09:09 AM Originally posted by no_rex_yet Installed my exhaust today, and it's AWESOME! Nice, subtle rumble, but no annoying droning at all. Cruising at 60-80mph, the exhaust blends in with road roar. But, as you accelerate, it provides a nice rip. What I like best about it is it complements the engine music, instead of drowning it out. The TurboXS muffler I had was loud enough to drown out the hissing of my chopped resonator box (along with all other engine noise) during acceleration. Also, the TurboXS had a much deeper sound; the bass cuts right through the body, and becomes quickly annoying. The Prodrive is almost silent in comparison. Told ya... :D Kevin Irvine Subaru 05-17-2002, 04:18 PM 15 more in stock. I'm out of the office today and will be taking and shipping orders on Monday. You can order from our website. www.spimotorsports.com Probably the easiest way to go. Ryan Irvine Subaru 05-21-2002, 01:50 PM HI!!! Tomnel 05-21-2002, 04:49 PM Stock (http://www.tomnel.net/Store/rex/stock.mp3) WRSport (http://www.tomnel.net/Store/rex/wrsport.mp3) mantis 05-21-2002, 04:52 PM Hi Ryan, Ordered from the website today. Hope they are still in stock. norseone 05-22-2002, 04:15 PM I am assuming that this is just a muffler, not even a cat back, right? SO if Iwanted to make a full turbo back with this exhaust. I have to get a new midpipe, I am already planning on getting the downpipe. If you dont know then dont worry about it, if you do and it works than I will take one. Let me know -NORSEONE BOP 05-22-2002, 04:50 PM this is pointless norseone 05-22-2002, 04:54 PM Just what I wanted to hear. YOu have this setup then? -NORSEONE Irvine Subaru 05-22-2002, 05:17 PM The Prodrive unit is just a rear section. No mid-pipe included. Ryan p.s. I have these in stock still BOP 05-22-2002, 10:48 PM this is pointless Irvine Subaru 05-28-2002, 03:43 PM Bump! mtb_dude 05-28-2002, 06:59 PM Originally posted by Tomnel Stock (http://www.tomnel.net/Store/rex/stock.mp3) WRSport (http://www.tomnel.net/Store/rex/wrsport.mp3) woah. That is a much throatier sound. Hmmm :D Does anyone think that with a K&N filter and the 3/16" mod, that the Prodrive Muffler would amount to any more real gains? I'm not one to buy parts for "bling bling", but that exhaust note is sexy! :cool: And it's kinda cheap and probably more warranty friendly. I could justify it if it got me 5 HP i guess. Coati 05-29-2002, 11:26 AM Just out of curiousity, does anyone know the weight difference between the stock WRX muffler and the Prodrive? jagcars26 05-29-2002, 02:41 PM Ive had mine for about two weeks,3/16 mod ,K&N, otherwise stock drivetrain.Maybe a little increase in power,,negligable. BUT the sound is what makes it,,, deep and throaty,not too loud,but there.Looks good from the rear,fits the slot in the bumper perfectly.You can hear the motor more to match revs. Its Prodrive quality.My wife likes it ;) Need i say more ?? Comin from my Borla header ,Random Tech cat,Stromung mid and tail on my RS.Which sounded plain MEAN:devil: this exhaust is kinda clean mean.And yes its lighter than the stock muffler. Rudy Buy it youl like it:D mtb_dude 05-29-2002, 03:34 PM Irvine, PM'd you. Thanks . . . mantis 05-30-2002, 07:05 PM Just got mine today. Fit like a glove. Did the install myself in 30 minutes. Looks great and the sound is awesome. Well worth the bucks IMHO. Irvine Subaru 05-30-2002, 07:35 PM I should mention that once this batch is gone the price will be going up. I was just informed this is due to shipping fees. Ryan Subayai WRX 05-30-2002, 09:25 PM Originally posted by Irvine Subaru I should mention that once this batch is gone the price will be going up. I was just informed this is due to shipping fees. Ryan Ooooooh Ryan!, that was low ;) I was going to wait until I at least got my WRX back fromthe body shop, but your choice of words like price will be going up was the final straw. You probably knew that was going to push people like me over the edge :mad::lol: Just ordered mine through the SPIMOTORSPORTS site, I'm not sure whether I should cry or be happy (although I know I will be happy when I install it). Low blow Ryan :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: brentlz 05-31-2002, 12:13 AM Hey, no fair Ryan! This place is dangerous enough to my wallet without throwing out incendiary phrases like "batch is gone" and "price will be going up". ;) Yeah, well I'll show you...Oh wait, I just ordered one too :D Irvine Subaru 05-31-2002, 12:59 PM First, I'd like to thank you guys for making me smile. That was nice of you. :D Second, just wanted to let you know what was going on. Unfortunately the cost of air freighting the first couple batches wasn't recovered by the importer so they AND Prodrive have made the decision to increase price. :( It sucks. At least I told you so you can get the better deal! Ryan The Robin Hood of Prodrive Mufflers? driggity 05-31-2002, 01:02 PM So are there still some more in stock at the old price? I was going to wait a while but I may pick one up before the price goes up. Irvine Subaru 05-31-2002, 01:03 PM 8 left at the moment. Counting the two ordered this morning/last night. Ryan mtb_dude 06-03-2002, 02:44 PM Just ordered mine today. Ryan seems cool and got back to me quickly. Still going for $350 despite the threats. :lol: ;) Can't wait to back 'er up onto my ramps and try this puppy out! I'm what you call a hardcore light modder. :lol: Irvine Subaru 06-03-2002, 05:48 PM Yeah, $350 until the remaining 6 get sold. :) Your muffler is shipping in an hour or so when my UPS guy shows up. :D Ryan jblaine 06-03-2002, 07:00 PM Originally posted by Irvine Subaru Yeah, $350 until the remaining 6 get sold. :) Your muffler is shipping in an hour or so when my UPS guy shows up. :DMake that "remaining 5 get sold" :) Irvine Subaru 06-03-2002, 07:20 PM Yes indeed. :D;) Rebellion 06-04-2002, 09:03 AM Ryan... how much for shipping to 28212? GregH 06-04-2002, 10:11 AM Can ANYONE tell me what the sound difference is between the STi and ProDrive muffler. I already know the huge price difference. Out of the 198 posts in this thread there has not been ONE comparison between the STi and Prodrive. Please if someone has a opinion please post it. Also if the STi was in the same price range as the ProDrive, which one would you choose? Thanks to all, Greg H. Sarasota, FL gtguy 06-04-2002, 10:49 AM Yup. The STi isn't as deep-toned as the Prodrive, to my ears. In terms of absolute volume, they're about the same. The Prodrive might be a tad louder, but just so. The Prodrive looks light years better. Fit and finish on both are excellent, but the rolled tip on the Prodrive looks a lot nicer, less of that "import tuner" look. The STi seems to hang lower, if clearance is a concern for you. The Prodrive doesn't hang any lower than the stock muffler, visually, though I haven't measured the before/after clearance. I would choose the Prodrive over any axle-back muffler out there for our cars, but I value fit, finish, and lack of sonic intrusiveness. Kevin Irvine Subaru 06-04-2002, 02:01 PM PM'd you freight. Benjamin Tang 06-04-2002, 10:58 PM ryan... i sent a pm ! :) Benjamin Tang 06-04-2002, 11:12 PM argh i tried ordering from the website but the shopping cart thing won't work... am i the only one wih this problem? :confused: mtb_dude 06-05-2002, 09:44 AM Just call Ryan up and if he's not there, he'll return your call. (Phone number is early in the thread) Irvine Subaru 06-05-2002, 01:41 PM Checking messages in a second. If you called, I'll call you back ASAP. Ryan Irvine Subaru 06-05-2002, 07:56 PM 2 left. Bigmike 06-05-2002, 09:04 PM Add it to the cart from the exhaust screen if you are still having a problem. When I clicked on the Prodrive muffler for a close-up view, I couldn't add it to my cart but when I went back to it in the exhaust list, I was able to add it. Ordered one last night on the website and received shipping confirmation today. Benjamin Tang 06-05-2002, 09:54 PM thanks for the tip! if i read this correctly i think i just ordered one of the last ones! u can ignore my voice mail and PM ryan... thanks for the help! :D brentlz 06-05-2002, 11:11 PM Received & installed mine last night. Thanks much Ryan. It is a bit louder(bassier) than I anticipated, but should prove livable...guess my ears must be getting old ;) Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the much more manly "blub-blub, blub-blub" exhaust tone it produces over the factory muffler :D Pretty painless(20 minute) install for me, but here's a couple observations: -The factory bolts are a tad too short(only 80% of the nut threads engage) due to the thicker flange on the Prodrive muffler. For safety sake, I'd recommend picking up some longer bolts. I pulled some from the spare parts bin, so I'm not 100% sure on the proper size. The bolt size I used is M10x1.25(pitch) and 40mm long. -A thin 17mm open ended wrench makes a good pry bar to help remove the exhaust hangers off of the old muffler. Insert between the ridge on the hanger rod and rubber hanger and apply some side leverage and they come off pretty easily. -I re-used the gasket off the factory muffler. It literally fell off as the flange bolts were removed. If your car has many miles in a more humid environment, I'd consider picking up a new one from the dealer. -No static clearance problems with my Primitive diff guard. Even though contact between the flange & diff guard can be forced by leaning on the exhaust pipe, I have yet to hear it occur over about 50 miles of bumpy Northern Arizona roads. If I do start hearing contact on/off-road, adding some stiffer hangers(kartboy or cusco) should cure it. -Tightening the inner flange bolt & nut is pretty tight clearance wise. I found it easier to install the two bolts & nuts loosly(don't forget the gasket), tighten the nut closest to the diff 1st, and then tighten the outer nut. Brent. EDIT: corrected bolt size. GregH 06-06-2002, 11:33 AM I just ordred my ProDrive muffler last night from Ryan on the phone. Gave him my credit card number and hopefully it will ship today. Do you feel any butt dyno improvement in HP? Sport Compat Car (SCC) did a dyno with the STI Muffler and claimed 7hp over stock. What do ya think about the ProDrive? In addition, can you measure those bolts you took from the spare parts bin? I ask because I'll go and pick some up at a local Stainless Steel bolt shop here in town before my muffler arrives. Thanks again for the helpful post! Best Regards, GregH Irvine Subaru 06-06-2002, 12:44 PM I am sold out of these mufflers. I will know more about the price increase later today. Thanks guys. Ryan Spanky 06-06-2002, 12:58 PM Um....Sold out before or after you shipped mine?:confused: Thanks Adam GregH 06-06-2002, 01:06 PM Ryan, Can you get me a cost of shipping my ProDrive muffler overnight (UPS RED) would be? Give me a call or e-mail me. I left a message on your v-mail at work and there should be a note on your desk too. Thanks, Greg Heidt Bradenton, FL Puff Monkey 06-06-2002, 01:48 PM Ryan, Did my internet order make the cutoff? Thanks Dean Naib gtguy 06-06-2002, 01:52 PM Your butt dyno, unless calibrated to Princess and the Pea sensitivity, won't feel any performance improvement. :lol: Oh, and I think that there's a difference between loud and deep. For instance, I didn't really hear my wife coming home with the car last night, but I did feel the resonance as she was backing into the garage. It's a very bassy throb, that accompanies the boxer engine, but the exhaust itself isn't particularly loud. Of course, my stock muffler was loud as heck, for a stock muffler. Kevin brentlz 06-06-2002, 09:37 PM Yeah, I concur with you on that "loud" vs. "deep". I just couldn't find the right word & "bassie" came closest in my evening vocabulary. ;) "deep" and "feel" are appropriate words to describe this muffler... I corrected the bolt size I used in previous posting. GregH: If you're going with stainless steel bolts, you might as well pick up matching SS lock nuts(or lock washers & nuts). 40mm length should be plenty long to accomodate. BTW: you do know that SS bolts are weaker than high-tensile steel bolts? Sorry...that's the engineer in me speaking . :rolleyes: Brent. Subayai WRX 06-07-2002, 04:52 AM Just to help you decide, I put together a compilation of before and after recordings from inside and outside of the car. There are located at this link. (http://www.weblumen.com/subaru) GregH 06-07-2002, 08:48 AM Subayai, Thanks so much for posting the sound clips of the exhaust. The "Reving" one doesn't sound that much different than stock. The inside one sounds REALLY NICE! Nice and deep and "bassie". I can't wait to get mine next week. Thanks again and great work! Greg H. Bigmike 06-08-2002, 01:31 AM Wanted to say thanks to Ryan for getting it to me so quickly and thanks to Brentlz for the excellent instructions. Hardest part of putting the muffler on was figuring out where to put the jack stands. There just aren't a lot of solid places under the car! Finally put them under the frame rails at the rear which didn't give a lot of clearance but it was enough. The muffler sounds great, it was exactly the sound I was hoping for; mellow with good bass. -=Bigmike GregH 06-08-2002, 11:23 AM Originally posted by Bigmike ....Hardest part of putting the muffler on was figuring out where to put the jack stands. There just aren't a lot of solid places under the car! Finally put them under the frame rails at the rear which didn't give a lot of clearance but it was enough.-=Bigmike That's a good quesiton. Anyone have pics or can anyone give a detailed location of where to put the jack stand and if using a floor jack where to place it as to not bend or damage anything while lifiting it up? Thanks to all! Bigmike 06-08-2002, 12:04 PM Originally posted by GregH That's a good quesiton. Anyone have pics or can anyone give a detailed location of where to put the jack stand and if using a floor jack where to place it as to not bend or damage anything while lifiting it up? Thanks to all! I used the rear diff as my lifting point for the floor jack. The issue is finding a good plack to put the jack stands. The only place that looked safe to me was the frame rails by the rear bumper. Only issue is that on the right hand side (opposite the exhaust side) there is very little clearance for a jack stand and it's not a flat service because of a tow hook mounted there. I ended up putting the jack stand on the bolts/plate where the tow hook mounts to the frame. There's no way I was getting under the car with it supported by the floor jack only since I'm fairly large and the car would have crushed my delicate body without a lift :) Irvine Subaru 06-10-2002, 02:57 PM If you didnt make it before I ran out I've already let you know. The new price on the mufflers is going to be $380.00 and I will have more in stock first part of July. GregH 06-11-2002, 12:56 PM Hey Ryan, Can you please e-mail me my tracking number to: mis@att.net. The name if Greg Heidt and the address shipped to is Sarasota, FL. Thanks Irvine Subaru 06-11-2002, 02:18 PM Greg, Done. Ryan mtb_dude 06-12-2002, 09:31 PM Originally posted by brentlz The bolt size I used is M10x1.25(pitch) and 40mm long. Brent. EDIT: corrected bolt size. Are you sure that's a 1.25 pitch,. I can't seem to find that bolt anywhere around here or on the internet. 1.5 is in a few places. Anyone know a good place to get some stainless steel (preferably) M10x1.25x40 hex bolts? Just got my prodrive and it was a little out of shape ala UPS or prodrive, but very minimal. It's on the top of the cannister and will never see the light of day :) Looks awesome though. Just not in my living room :D You should always have at least two threads past the nut. In fact, that is a rule in the Midwest Mini-Baja competition. Puff Monkey 06-13-2002, 07:44 AM I went with matching stainless nuts and lock washers to go with the 10x40mm stainless bolts from my local hardware store. I didn't want to mix the old non-stainless nuts with the new stainless bolts. By the way, 10x40 is perfect and I did not have any problems with the rear diff protector on my wagon. It's a close fit but it does clear the muffler flange and doesn't rattle at all. Dean GregH 06-13-2002, 08:18 AM Puff Monkey, You didn't say how you like the sound, and looks of it. Please let us know your personal opinion. =) Also thank you for letting us know about the fitment with the rear diff. protector. I'm thinking of getting one because I take my car up to Ocala Natl. Forest onece and a while to go hiking, camping, and mountian biking. There are some pretty tight and rocking trails to get to some of the places. So the diff protector would be a good investment I think. Thanks and enjoy! mtb_dude 06-13-2002, 10:04 AM Originally posted by Puff Monkey I didn't want to mix the old non-stainless nuts with the new stainless bolts. Hmm, good point. Did you use 1.25 pitch? I cannot believe that there's no hardware store around me with 1.25 pitch hex bolts and nuts. This is lunacy! GregH 06-13-2002, 10:13 AM I had the same problem - I couldn't find 1.25 pitch so I'm going to use 1.5 pitch instead. the thread pitch really doesn't matter it does not add to the strength of the bolt, however, if you are gong to use the stock nuts, they probably only fit 1.25. I also bought new stainless self-locking nuts. I these things are going to be difficult to thread on, but once they are on, they are not coming off by themselves! So I should be set. I'll take pics and post when it's installed. Exhaust should be here today - UPS Tracking states it's out for delivery =) Puff Monkey 06-13-2002, 10:27 AM The sound is perfect. Inside the cabin, it has a very deep rumble at idle but isn't too loud to be annoying and doesn't reverberate which I thought may be a problem with a wagon. Outside, it isn’t loud either. At speed, the volume isn’t much louder then stock but the sound is very similar to the WRX commercial I use to see all of the time although the tone may be just a bit deeper. It pasted the wife test with flying colors. She said it sounds like a scarab speedboat at idle. I’m very pleased. This is the only engine/exhaust mod that I have at this time. I don’t know what the pitch of the bolts is; I just grabbed what the store had. It was a rather course threading. I think that getting lock washers is important to prevent the nuts from backing off. Dean mtb_dude 06-13-2002, 11:09 AM Well, my area barely even knows what the word metric means, so I decided to internet it instead. Here's a free plug for www.boltdepot.com They have the stainless steel hex bolts, lock washers, and nuts. But only in the 1.50 pitch. I also ordered lock nuts, but I'm not sure if I'm gonna use them or not. I'm worried the nylon insert might melt. I think lock washer and nut is fine. Let's see if "next day air" means I'll acutally get them by tomorrow. :rolleyes: And a big ":monkey: you" to my local hardware shops for not even attemping to stock metric. :) GregH 06-13-2002, 04:27 PM Originally posted by mtb_dude ....I also ordered lock nuts, but I'm not sure if I'm gonna use them or not. I'm worried the nylon insert might melt. I think lock washer and nut is fine.... Great thought. I just returned my lock nuts in lieu of lock washers and nuts. Thanks for the thought of the nylon melting. I'm sure it would. Owners that have EGT Gauges will tell you that the exhaust gas is around 1,400 degrees. I would say the pipe would get hot enough to melt it for sure. Thanks again mtb_dude! mtb_dude 06-14-2002, 10:27 AM Damn! Bolts were delivered to my door at 9:45 am this morning. Now if work could just fly by and the darn rain (just 15 miles from the US Open) would stop, I might be a happy_dude tonight. GregH 06-14-2002, 11:49 AM Well, just got it and installed it last night in about 40 minutes (using the standard spare tire jack what a PITA, and a jackstand!). All my tools are at my X's house while I'm waiting for my new house to be built. Otherwise it was very easy and with my floor jack would of taken only 20 min. The bolts I bought worked fine! Thanks Brent!! Also thanks Ryan for the quick shipping and tracking number. The box was badly damaged on one end but all was okay inside! :) . The sound - well, it is VERY Deep. It is a lot bassier than I expected, but over time I guess I can live with it. Maybe I'm just getting old, 36. I'm not sure what it sounds like. It is very unique. But it sure doesn't sound like a Scarab Boat in my opinon. Fitment is excellent! Very easy to install. Thanks to everyone in the post for the help and suggestions! mtb_dude 06-15-2002, 01:43 PM Just did mine this morning (finally). It is truly a deeper tone and sounds awesome. It's not enough to draw attention to you, but enough to raise an eyebrow if you're close enough. It never gets too loud and, in my opinion, should come stock with the car. It's probably at the limit of street legal in term of volume. I took a nice drive around the foggy wet north shore of Long Island and felt like I was in the UK with the throaty, boxer engine performing the music. :) It's easier to match revs too as others have said, and gets you more in tune with the engine. Now I can hear the subtle whine of the turbo in front and the awesome pulsing sound of the boxer in the back. MackDaddy 06-16-2002, 11:36 AM Do you still have the Prodrive axleback available? Please let me know whan you get a chance. jmackenz@insight.rr.com or post here. My Stromung is getting a bit too loud for my tastes under certain conditions (i.e. - with the ac on, in the rain.) For the most part I love it, but after reading GTGuy's assesment on sound level, this is really what I want. That, and it looks fantastic. Thanks, Jim Mackenzie jagcars26 06-16-2002, 01:27 PM Jim,,,youl like this,,believe me.Ive done the borla,high flow cat,stromung set up on my RS.It's a damn wicked sound,,but in the long run IMHO, this is the one to have on the WRX.Subtle and deep,very bassy. Try it youl like it, Rudy:D MackDaddy 06-16-2002, 06:34 PM Originally posted by jagcars26 Jim,,,youl like this,,believe me.Ive done the borla,high flow cat,stromung set up on my RS.It's a damn wicked sound,,but in the long run IMHO, this is the one to have on the WRX.Subtle and deep,very bassy. Try it youl like it, Rudy:D I'm hoping the Prodrive is still available for the $$$ offered in the begining of the thread. I'm not spending +500 on an axleback again. Not that the Stromung wasn't worth it, it truely is. After driving around today (73 deg. and sunny,) I really do like it 95% of the time. Jim Irvine Subaru 06-17-2002, 01:02 PM Originally posted by Irvine Subaru If you didnt make it before I ran out I've already let you know. The new price on the mufflers is going to be $380.00 and I will have more in stock first part of July. This is the new price. They are already on the way to me. Probably another four or so days. Arriving earlier than previously thought. Ryan jblaine 06-30-2002, 08:58 AM FWIW, on my bathroom scale: Stock 02WRX muffler: 20.5 lbs Prodrive WRS muffler: 13.5 lbs Irvine Subaru 07-01-2002, 01:22 PM 7lbs lighter? Thats pretty good. Ryan MackDaddy 07-01-2002, 09:01 PM Did you get any more in stock yet? :D TIA - Jim Irvine Subaru 07-02-2002, 03:38 PM Not yet. Soon though. Soon. ;) Ryan Irvine Subaru 07-10-2002, 11:35 AM Good news, I just got more of these in stock. Price is $380.00 as stated before, plus shipping. Ryan 949-452-0100 x107 ryan@irvinesubaru.com gixxerg 07-11-2002, 08:50 AM Ryan, I'm Interested, I also emailed you. Let me know if you can ship 'em out right away. Thanks. Gary. Irvine Subaru 07-11-2002, 12:43 PM Gary, e-mailed you back. Ryan bcristea 07-12-2002, 08:20 AM Originally posted by omahasubaru Let me know when your next stock of these come back in. I've always liked them, but didn't figure I'd get much out of the 2.5" size, but since then cars have changed and so have my plans... So now I'm interested. Will any GC8/GF8 fitment ones be coming in your next shipment? Check these nice pics of the exhaust on the best Subaru ever made in my opinion :D (I know you 22B lovers won't agree with me). http://upload.turbosport.co.uk/gallery3/200232804750365363.jpg http://upload.turbosport.co.uk/gallery3/200232804750447545.jpg Thanks - Jon bcristea 07-12-2002, 08:21 AM / Irvine Subaru 07-12-2002, 10:59 AM That first picture is a really good angle. You really get a good feel for the size and shape of the tip. Thank you for posting that. Car looks great! Ryan |