We are currently looking into the legality, legitimacy and probability of holding a product promotion and giving away a New WRX. We still need to make sure we can legally do this and that we can generate the revenue to fund it.

Currently all we know is it will take something on the scale of anywhere from 500 to 1000 participants to generate the revenue.

Also we are taking suggestions on what kind of products members would like to see in this promotion.

Please do not let this thread run out of control.

Sincerely,

Dante Primm
Primm Motorsports www.primmracing.com (http://www.primmracing.com)

Whatever it is, i am SO on it...
--Adam

good idea i live in colorado were do i pick it up?? http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif when ya get some details i wanna be in the givaway myself.

Do a raffle. The money comes through the tickets.
It's sooo ugly(just came back from the Autoshow). Yak.
666

um, little die cast WRX models? that way, if we don't win, at least we can all get a WRX for $10. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

Well, seriously speaking, I'd be willing to consider buying a set of pedals or mudflaps or something I suppose.

-Edwin

How about a big brown paper for the front end? http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif ......hehehe sorry just had to throw it in there.
Seriously though, the raffle suggestion was good. I'd be in on the raffle deal.
Jason

RALLYCROSS
RALLYCROSS
RALLYCROSS

Winer takes the car!

How about a scoobnut competition. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

RALLY-X!!!!... may the best man win! let's see.. 50 dollars an entry per person times 500=25,000 dollars. damn, we're spot on. Can anyone say kansas City? US meet? my car will be coming on a truck... hehe.

but seriously mudplaps or anything around 50 bucks would work (Dante, make SURE you jack up the prices alittle though since this IS for a WRX)

sweet,
bret

We are looking at a product package that will generate about $50K in excess revenue. Half will go to the car (New WRX to give away) the other half will go towards our rally fund. I just wanted to be upfront about all the money and where it will go.

sincerely,

Dante
Primm Motorsports www.primmracing.com (http://www.primmracing.com)

hmm. this could get interesting. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

Do raffle tickets or say for every customer that buys $100 or more in products(Subaru specs only) from you gets entered also.

I like the raffle idea... I'd be in, especialy since I couldn't get a scoobie, and had to settle for a used Honda del Sol VTEC, which I do like, but it isn't a Subaru... http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/frown.gif

Raffle
Raffle
Raffle
Raffle
Raffle!!!!!

Count me in to enter!!! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

JJ

Well it would be very easy to say here is a $100 raffle ticket and we are only selling 500 of them, but the reality of it is that would not be legal. To stay within the legal spectrum we need to supply a product pr package of products and use the profit from the sale of said products to purchase the giveaway car. This must be carried out as a promotion not a contest; contests hold a completely different set of legal rules.

Dante

Great idea, a couple of quick points though... 500 participants into 50,000 us is a lot of money per raffle ticket.

I'm concerned you'd have to pay a lot in taxes, so this'd drive the cost up even further (I'm not a tax man, but I've seen prizes being taxed before)

The most likely way is to organize an event like the RallyX mentioned above. It's a bit of a hassle, but if you're talking about a big prize, and big money, you need a big event or a number of smaller events - not just a raffle.

Just my $0.02 (think of it as a deposit on my raffle ticket!)

Dave

How about RallyX lessons as the product. Each student gets a ticket for the draw?

How about selling a pack of gum for $100 each? Free raffle ticket included. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

Or maybe a Primm Motorsports decal or something..

Dan

Set yourself up as a not-for-profit organization, perhaps The Church of Subaru, Primm Chapter. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/wink.gif

Or you could open up a branch in Las Vegas or Atlantic City where a strait up raffle would be legal. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/tongue.gif

I'm in if it won't cost an arm and a leg, and I can maybe get something out of it.. win or lose.

Cool idea. Lets see where this thing goes http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

Count me the hell in!

Why dont you have a couple packages that one could buy for 150 or something, like F/R strut bars, Brake lines and pads, Intake and plugs and wires, other things like that, so that someone who has some of the items, can choose another package. Then people would be interested in buying, and get the chance to win the WRX as a bonus, instead of just buying anything to get a raffle ticket. You can also have different priced items but they all have the same chance of winning, to keep it fair. If so, ill take the Brakes package...
--Adam

Depending what it takes, Im in. Do my recent purchases count towards this Dante?

I’m a buyer for a manufacturing company and I own a jewelry company. I have a good idea of what it takes to create that kind of revenue.

Have you thought about promotional pricing from your suppliers? I get from 50% to 100% off on partnership promotions. If you’re trying to raise money through a promotional sale, i.e., product line, OMP, Corbeau, AP, etc., may be willing to give you special pricing. They may also be able to provide expert advice on their best selling products. That will allow you to lower the prices for increased sales or keep them as is for higher profit (reduced is better). On the down side, you may be required to offer chances to win with “no purchase necessary.”

The raffle may be a viable option. The down side is that it doesn’t really promote a product line. Tickets are sold as stand-alone. No products get sold.

Your lawyers can best tell you what you can do from the legal perspective. As a purchasing professional, I strongly recommend that you pursue the manufacturer partnership promotion. This will help promote your corporate identity and generate long term sales.

Personally, looking at your line of products, I’m interested in what you carry that is relative to my street performance and what you have that supports SOLO I and SOLO II. For example, since you offer Corbeau competition seats on a special order basis, why not offer the whole line so people like me who drive every day can compromise with the A4?

Nothing from past purchases will go towards this, if this does go forward http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/frown.gif sorry.

We are looking into having several different packages as mentioned above. We just need to figure everything out on our end and make sure that the packages offered will also be a good deal for all even if they are not the one chosen to recieve the WRX. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

I will generate some info on our web site about it, but the page will not be public and only I-Club members will be given the address http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif. If this does happen I want to limit it to I-Club members only (if that is legal).

Dante

If its a contest, I believe you can't prevent others from entering.

If its a raffle, I believe you can make it closed doors. We've done this before in 'Live attendee' events. Over the web its hard to be sure.

I think your best bet is go find some promotional products from your suppliers and take the profit from the sales of those to cover the cost of the raffle tickets. Its not easy for profit based companies to do a raffle properly.

What I would really think is the easiest way to do it is to just outright sell raffle tickets for $50 each * 500 = $25,000, and then on top of that offer to sell some other product, possibly customized, at a bit of a higher margin to make the rally money. For example, sell something for the cars that would say "In support of the Primm rally" or whatever. Or even just sell dookie for people to put on their cars or what not that call them "rally supporters" or even the aweful "Primm Rally Pace Car" hehe. Of course, I A N A L...

http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gifBump http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

me want me want me want!!! *drool*....

Whatever it is, it needs to incorporate people like me... People who dont need to buy your product (right now, IE I dont have a RS right now) but want to win the WRX!

I hope that sounds right...
Basically, I want to win the WRX since I dont have enough to buy one http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

Actually wait a second... You've got some "non-car part" stuff I could buy if I wanted... Ill do that!

he he i still am interested just waitin to see what the final details are http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif looking forward to entering

Count me in, Dante! I want to win a WRX!!!

Whoo Hoo!

Rallycross sounds good...I'll drive to CA from here in Houston...
Good Job Dante!
Tre'

If your gonna have a rally cross, your probably going to loose a lot of people who have never "crossed" anything, auto or rally.It would definetly give those of us with experience an edge....so go ahead! Any chance I can get to improve the odds of winning is fine by me....
I am also not opposed to purchasing my way into the contest either....you have tons of parts I'd like to own. Whatever happened to that bolt in roll bar (4pt) you were going to do for us...I still want one.

Currently we are looking into offering 4 different product packages each with a price between $100 & $200 or all 4 packages for $500. We would need to sell a minimum of 250 of each package or a total of 1000. In theory if someone bought the sum of all 4 packages at the $500 price that would reduce the required number by 4. So 250 of the $500 packages, and we could swing it. Again all this is still just theory and speculation, but we are closer to setting this in stone than we were yesterday. I will keep everyone informed http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

sincerely,

Dante
Primm Motorsports

$100 package is more doable, i am sure alot will want to participate in this. looking forward to seeing what kinda packages you will be offering http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

offer these:

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http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

For I-Club eyes only http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif. http://www.primmracing.com/impreza_wrx_giveaway.htm

Dante

is the the final product list? also, when will the packages be available for purchase?

no Brakes package? I need Lines and pads...
--Adam

How about an appearance package for the WRX?
Something like a big blue tarp...
666

These are not the final packages, we can change them. These are just some examples of what we are looking to do. A brake package can always be added.

We are definitely looking for feedback here, with the sheer amount of products needed to raise the funds we need all the feedback we can get.

Thanks,

Dante

Is this "promotion" to Canadians as well??!?!? If so, I'm tempted to join in!


I still think the new Impreza is ugly, but heck, it's got the engine we all drool over! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

LaterZ!
Darrne!!

We are not sure on whether or not we can extend this promotion to Canada, if there is anyone familiar with Canadian law here please chime in. I would love to be able to include our friends in the great white north.

Dante

Or you could open up a branch in Las Vegas or Atlantic City where a strait up raffle would be legal.

Raffles are illegal in Nevada too. Just FYI. Primm, would the pedals be the F1s or is there a choice?

I'd be up for it, and I'll take mine in blue http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

Ooh good, Package 2 works... Throw in another package like that for non-owners.

How about that scale WRC car + That pen/keychain/etc. dealybob + SWRT snow cap? I'd buy that one easy.

please make avail. to Canada somehow =) i need new wrx.. hehe

Hrum, no packages really catch my eye, but hell, I'll buy SOMETHING if I have to :P

Remember the packages listed on the link or only proposed samples. I am taking all the feedback I can get and tweaking our list. I have already made a few additions (not posted yet).

I think the best case scenario is more packages to choose from with less of each needing to be bought, this way we can try and have something for everyone.

Dante

Well, I don't own an Impreza, so I can't really use the parts packages. I am however interested in the sunglasses, and watch one. Are there pictures of these?

Oh! Got it ( =

What are the sunglasses like though?

Definitely interested in brake package too http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif
Or the pedals or maybe some dress-up or strut-bars, etc...


[This message has been edited by Memnoch (edited January 12, 2001).]

OK I need more feedback.

If we are able to make this fly; would you rather see us offer larger packages (over $500) with less participants required or smaller packages ($50 or so) and more participants required.

Thanks,

Dante

Some ideas for packages could be
an interior package:such as door sills, shifter knobs, floor mats, momo steering wheel, gauge pod for center of dash.
Another package could be a handling package.
consisting of strut bars, swaybars, tires, suspensions.

Nothing great just spouting off ideas.

I like the idea of Subaru attire like jump suits, jackets, windbreakers etc as part of one package, similar to the SWRT glasses, cap and watch deal. This will give at least one option for people who just like to get a shot at a WRX but are unwilling/afraid to modify their cars.

The strut brace is nice, and the OMP pedal kit package is useful but I would rather have a jacket or something than the harnesses and stopwatch.

Just my opinion

Ray

I am happy, and fulling willing and ready to buy package number 2.

I was trying to stay away from any products that would require us to get specific sizes. It is much easier to re-distribute the products if they are not size specific.

I will consider it though http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

Dante

Smaller packages, more participants... (I cant seriously spend much over $100 for the non-carparts stuff)

Plus, If we have to, we can spred the word to other forums and boards if you need more participents... (Subaru related of course http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif)

I would definently be interested in the gloves added to a package. Personally I will be holding off on performance upgrades since I don't have an RS but will be getting a WRX.

Also if you have any knowledge of the products working on (or not working on) the WRX, that would help in picking a package, if I did go with a performance upgrade package.

Philip

[This message has been edited by Philip (edited January 12, 2001).]

Of course all the stuff in your packages is what I have, or have ordered from you Dante....I agree about a brake package, rotors,lines,and pads...two packages would be nice actually, front and rear.......

Here's a suggestion. Offer a range of packages. $100, $200, $500, $1,000... Smaller packages could consist of glasses, watches, etc. Larger packages could be full suspension kits, break kits, turbo kits... Each $100 worth gets you another chance at the car.

-Red

How about a lighting package, air flow package, or just some gift certificates. just a suggestion, but sounds interesting and i wish you luck with it

Dante, I like the SWRT packages so far, but which jackets/shirts are those? Are they the ones I can see on the SWRT webpage? I'm not quite sure. Gotta fly!
Skippy

Personally, I'd prefer things to be kept on the inexpensive side http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif I'm really not having a good time with cash right now, and wouldn't want to have to spend $500 for stuff I don't really want just to get in on WRX possibility http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

Thanks for the suggestions guys & gals, keep them coming.

I will be brainstorming this weekend to see if I can come up with anything else.

I am very serious about this, but the numbers required to do it are extremely critical. Once the wheels are set in motion I would not want to have to stop them due to lack of funds. I have seen companies try similar promotions in the past then have to cancel them. The damage done to a company’s credibility after canceling such a promotion can be irreparable. I have several others helping me with crunching the numbers & anticipating any potential legal hurdles (hence why this can not be considered a contest or raffle, but rather just a promotion). I do believe I will be able to extend this across North America & Canada. I do have one more concern and that is the availability of a WRX to deliver at the end of the Promotion. I am sure SAO isn’t going to just hold one for us LOL.

OK enough rambling, back to beating my head against the wall http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif.

Sincerely,

Dante Primm
Primm Motorsports

I like the Dress-Up #3 package. I also think that a brake package would be nice.... cross-drilled/steel-braided lines/kevlar pads.

I also think that each $100 is worth 1 ticket idea is a good one. That way you can offer different sized/priced packages and everybody wins.

Dante -- I *do* believe that if your promotion is available to us Canadians, if one of us (Canadian) wins, we'll probably have to pay the tax/duty on the vehicle (WRX). Just a little heads up for us Canadians who want to pay -- I mean play! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

I remember I saw a story on the news -- a student from Vancouver won a car on The Price is Right (or some other TV game show). She was unable to claim the prize because she had to pay the taxes on it. Sucked. Oh well, c'est la vie! .

LaterZ!
Darren!!

i will buy any package u have, even if it doesnt apply to me or my slow 95 L coupe, just to get a chance to win the WRX. im a broke college student and wont be able to afford a new car for a long, long time. and i would kill for a chance to get the new WRX.

I'm really interested in the proformance package!! I'll certainly buy one of those.. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

OK, here is what we have come up with so far. We are going to offer numerous packages in different price ranges with 60% the profit from every sale being placed into the WRX fund. Example: $100 package @ 20% profit = $20x60%=$12.00 into WRX fund & $8 to Primm Motorsports (this is only an example). As you can tell we are not raising the price on any of the products in these packages and in some/most cases lowering them. We want to make sure each and every package is a deal for the customer.

As for delivery of the vehicle that is still being examined, but I would expect having the vehicle delivered through the recipient’s dealership of choice would be the most logical. I know we have a relationship with a dealership here that can arrange to have the vehicle delivered at any dealership in the US, not sure about Canada yet they are checking.

I will try and put together some more information soon. Any and all input is still greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Dante Primm
Primm Motorsports

i dont care how you do it just do it fast because i want chance at it before mine gets here!

Here are a few more package updates. http://www.primmracing.com/wrx-promotion/

Dante

Wow, Im actually thinking of buying that first package even if I dont a chance to win the WRX!

All of the first 4 SWRT cadigory ones are great! (Exept the mug in the last one is kinda funny... Hot coffee anyone? http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif call that packaged the "Cold weather Package")

That coffee mug is cool! My wife got me one for Christmas. It's got the Subaru swish inside and on the bottom and the #3 car on the side. It's my new favorite coffee mug.

-Red

I, along with everyone else on this board, really appreciate this promotion and will keep Primm Motorsports in mind everytime I look to purchase anything for my RS...and hopefully WRX, as well.
Zee

Not to try to discourage you from this or anything. Using your formula of 20% profit, and 60% of that will go to the WRX, I came up with a figure of $200,000 in order to raise the $24,000 for the WRX. If you plan to sell that much then you may not need my suggestion. Not that I enjoy spending more money or anything, but I think it would be reasonable for you add some extra cost to all of your items in this WRX givaway. I mean you are getting an entry into the givaway with every purchase, that has to be worth something. Then you could place 100% of that extra cost towards the WRX allong with the 60% of the profits. I'd just hate to see you fail in this attempt, and us maybe loose one of our few Subaru tuners. You may also want to look into the legality issues if you do come up short and have to cancel the promotion.

That being said, I'm very interested in the idea of winning a WRX. I'd go for the SWRT products, probably package 1 or 3, or both maybe. I'd just hate to see you fail in this attempt, its a big undertaking.

Dante - I don't have anything constructive to add, other than the fact that I'd be interested in Dress-Up Package #3 and Performance #2.

Alex

Red-Impreza is right. For every $100 (or what ever amount) you spend you have to have a greater chance of winning. Kinda like a raffle for every $100 you spend your name is put into a hat. So if you spend $500 your name is put into a hat 5 times.

Turk

Eby: The numbers use above were purely for example, used only to give a better understanding of how this will work if we are able to go forward with is. We also want to make sure each and every package is a deal upon itself. If we were to raise prices just to fund this promotion it would no longer be viewed as such but rather a contest and then we would have a whole separate set of legal hurdles to tackle.

We have examined the legal aspects of canceling such a promotion; once again this is why we must be sure that it is viewed as a promotion and not a contest. We have not yet set the wheels in motion for the explicit reason that we want to be sure all the numbers work out and this is actually feasible for us to do; we have no intentions of pulling this promotion once it officially begins. As I stated above: I have seen companies try similar promotions in the past then have to cancel them. The damage done to a company’s credibility after canceling such a promotion can be irreparable. We do not intend to become a statistic but rather a credible force in the Subaru aftermarket.

Sorry for being so long winded, I could ramble on for pages. It is however necessary to be as complete and thorough as possible when answering questions regarding this.

We are now another step closer to being able to implement this promotion http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif.

I would like to thank every for their input and support, please continue to offer us any ideas you have, we value everyones input.

Sincerely,

Dante Primm
Primm Motorsports

Alrighty then, now you have some packages that I'd be interested in http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif Namely Preformance Packages #3, lights http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif Of course, before I start asking all sorts of questions about them, I'll see if this promotion is gonna go forward http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

You should offer the Sabelt #4018 harness as a pair deal too. I'd also like to see the SWRT Hold All in a package somewhere, with the umbrella and stocking hat or something (exclude the watch and cap since I have those).

shucks, i want to get in on this deal, but the promotion packages you're offering don't really appeal to me. That one with the Light jacket does though, would we be able to customize our own packages, in exchange for diff items?

The packages you see listed are not necessarily the final draft that will be offered, they are intended to show some possibilities. The packages are designed to offer a discount on the sum of the items included. I have even designed a rally package that includes seats, harnesses, cage, steering wheel, lighting, rally computer & communication system for around $2750 but I have not posted it as of yet. We may end up doing something as simple as place a percentage of the profit of any sale over a certain dollar amount into the promotional fund. Nothing is final as of yet.

Dante
Primm Motorsports

Man!!! the chance to win WRX (even though I hate its looks) I'll love its power!

I would never pass at th chance for a free car!

Kevin

How about an exterior dress up package, I.E (Clear corners, signals, sides) or (WRX Tail lights, 22B Wing, Rear Skirts), (Aero Mirrors, 22B Vents, Grill) such and such, although these would be more expensive, some people including myself, would like to get all of these things in one swoop, at a better price than list/retail price. Or how about Sticker/Decal packages, there's a lot of stuff you can do that don't need sizes. How about a Stage I Mod package (Intake, Exhaust Header) or (Clutch, Flywheel, Short Shifter).. just a couple of thoughts and ideas that I think would work out well.

How about we just chop of the whole front end and replace it with the current gen of the car...agrressive lights/fogs/etc.

-Kevin

Die Civic has a point on products. I say the more stuff you offer the better chance of you making your profit margin. The more stuff you offer the better this promotion will work.

Turk

Unfortunately we leave the tuner parts to the tuners like CTC, COBB, ISR & JCS. We are more race/rally accessory driven (we do however get certain products on the high end like AP Brake kits & certain suspension components)

Dante

[This message has been edited by Primm Motorsports (edited January 14, 2001).]

How about throwing in some Pads with that brake package? Up the price and let me get some CF pads...
--Adam

Dante:

This is looking like a great promotion, and since you asked, I'll give a little feedback.

First, I am 100% behind the idea that the purchase price of your package should influence the number of entries you get into the drawing. It seems only fair that the person who buys the $1500 brake package should get more chances than the person who buys the $85 SWRT package. Maybe you could just assign each package a number of entries, so people know going in how many chances they have. That way, you don't have to worry about totalling dollar amounts when people buy more than one package, etc.

Also, I understand your concern about having to cancel the promotion, and I think it's a valid one. Despite all the feedback you've gotten, there is no way to tell how many people will actually come through if this starts up. To be honest, as much as I would want to take part, I can't tell you for sure that I would. It would all depend on my financial situation when this kicks off, permission from the "family financial officer", etc.

Good luck with this, I hope it pans out for you. If it does, it could be a tremendous boost for your company and it's standing in the Subaru aftermarket. Those of us who have bought from you previously already know how good you are! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

question about preformance package #1. could those go on a 1995 L coupe, and could u maybe include a rear sway bar with that package, or a new package, or in a different package. thanx

To: Everyone
rhung: Has brought up an extremely valid point and here is why:

If we went with the “the more you spend the more times your name is entered” idea this would be considered a raffle/contest, which would hold a completely separate set of legal rules & hurdles (not to mention that some residents of some states would be excluded due to their local laws).

We need to ensure that this is only considered to be a promotion so that any and all legal hurdles that would normally hinder a raffle/contest are not even relevant. It is also for this reason that we could not just give a prize package or cash award equivalent to the value of the WRX away instead.

Bottom line is it is not illegal in any state or Canada for us to just give someone a car. It would be very easy for us to start this promotion tomorrow with it being extremely ambiguous as to what we were actually going to do. We would not be comfortable with that and neither would anyone else. The hardest part of doing a promotion of this nature is not only generating the revenue to give away the car, but gaining the trust & belief from your clients that you will actually do it. So far it is looking extremely positive that we will be able to do this. It will require a commitment of confidence from every involved, there are only a few more details that need to be smoothed out before this can become official http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif.

Sincerely,

Dante Primm
Primm Motorsports

Well, let me take back my thought on the "buy more, get more chances" idea. I hadn't considered that it would make this more of a raffle, but now I can see that to be the case.

At this point, I'd hate to see anything stand in the way of this. Especially now that you're carrying those Hellas!

I think you need to keep it as a more you spend the more chances you have because thats the only way you will generate the revenue. More chances will promote more sales.

And also I think you should include the Proflex Bushings! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/wink.gif

Turk

I'm going to get the Brake line package right now. I wish I could get each package for my car, but I don't have that kind of money. Most likely I'm going to end up buying 2 packages..

Eek... Stay away from the board for a few days and look at all the progress that has happened.

The packages look good! There is a good variety in selection for those basic to extreme mods that people do as well as include those who just like the collectibles. My only other suggestion maybe is to consider including a equivalent substitution in the event the person does not want a WRX. It may happen and as such, you could perhaps provide this equivalent prize in the in the form of a cash payout or something like that. I do not know the legal issues with something like this as allowing this option may or may not move this promotion into a contest category and the cross border issue (I live in the frosty north) may still be an issue but, it's just a suggestion.

Keep up the good work! At the very least, even if you decide that it is not possible to do this WRX giveaway, you have my interest piqued in your company as a distributor of Subaru parts.

Ray

One more thing, I don't necessarily agree to those posts about those who spend more money, should get more draws. Reason to this is that as a promotion, the key commodity is the item that is purchased. The entry to the WRX giveaway is, in my opinion, a bonus to your purchase provided free of charge. In a raffle or a contest, the spend more get more entries state of mind may work since the key commodity is the prize but in this promotion, you are already getting something you want and this entry is just a symbol of their appreciation and hopefully, future business.

Just my 2 bucks since 2 cents won't buy you beans.

Ray

Another step and another day closer!! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

Primm Motorsports

Sent to me via email by anonymous: Why not just offer one specific product at a great price. I am sure that any supplier would give you a killer deal if you were to buy 2500 to 5000 of the same part. Then you could offer it at a discount while still making maximum profit. Interesting idea, but could I really sell 3000 to 5000 pairs of SWRT sunglasses at $35 a pair, or that quantity of any other product for that matter?!?.


[This message has been edited by Primm Motorsports (edited January 16, 2001).]

Bottom line is it is not illegal in any state or Canada for us to just give someone a car.

So, if I'm interpreting this correctly, there are no/minimal cross-border issues if someone in Canada won the WRX. There are probably some fees like excise or whatever associated with this but I'm not entirely sure since this could be under a gift classification as opposed to some automotive part that was purchased.

Dante, when you learn more details, please keep us frosty Canucks up to date.

Thanks!

Ray

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OK, I have been given the green light on this promotion. There are a few more details to work out, but may be able to begin selling product packages any time now.

I still need all the input I can get from the members of this board. I will be online from now till about 1AM PST.

Regards,

Dante

[This message has been edited by Primm Motorsports (edited January 16, 2001).]

Big thumbs up, Dante! Glad to hear this is moving forward.

One question for you: How long do you see this promotion running? Is it going to be until you have enough to purchase the WRX, or are you going to set some timeframe at which you will re-evaluate the status of the whole thing? Just curious, if for no other reason than to know when I have to purchase my new lights by! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Mike M (edited January 16, 2001).]

Make it happen! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

Hmm... I've been thinking about the brake lines (I don't like having a squishy pedal). I might just get in on that one. I also like the Hella's, but that's not really an item I need right now.

-Red

PS: Point taken on the the $->chances relation. Stupid laywers.

Woo-Hoo!

OK here is what I have been able to do.

The promotion is not official as of yet, but anyone that places an order from this point on will be included in the promotion if it is a go http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif. I am doing this for 2 reasons.
1. I believe everyone that buys from us should be included and will be included.
2. I can't afford to not make any sales until this is finalized.

Regards,

Dante
Primm Motorpsorts

I would definately be in on something like this. I think it would be good to do it at the meet in Kansas City, whether its a raffle or rallycross or whatever. Although I think it would be better to give it to the last place guy than the first place cuz 1st place wouldn't need a new car.

I would definately be in on something like this. I think it would be good to do it at the meet in Kansas City, whether its a raffle or rallycross or whatever. Although I think it would be better to give it to the last place guy than the first place cuz 1st place wouldn't need a new car.

so this will be available in canada then?

The point about the more you buy the better your chances seems to be fair. But, I believe contests like that is not valid in Florida. That is not fair. So, to make things fair:
Rule #1: Everyone that purchases an item that is qualified for the promotion, will receive an entry for the WRX.
Rule #2: Entries are limited to one per person.
Rule #3: Dante has all the rights to the WRX until the title is transferred over to the lucky winner and all taxes have been paid. If the taxes cannot be paid immediately then a grace period will be given to allow for the winner to gather up the funds.
Zee

Does Primm have a web site

From: http://www.primmracing.com/wrx-promotion/

Primm Motorsports has began placing a portion of the profit from every sale we make into a promotional fund which will be used to purchase a NEW Subaru Impreza WRX. Once this promotional fund has reached a level which is adequate to purchase a New Subaru Impreza WRX, we will wait a minimum of 30 days and then pull 1 invoice at random from our database, the customer listed on that invoice will be chosen to receive a NEW Subaru Impreza WRX.

Please remember that this is neither a contest or raffle, but rather a promotion whereas we plan to thank one of our customers with a New Impreza WRX. As stated earlier on the thread "it is not illegal for us to just give someone a car". We are not selling any chance at winning a New WRX, but rather just investing a portion of our profit to fund a promotional campaign.

Please remember that we have structured this so that every customer in every state & Canada would not be excluded from possibly becoming the recipient of the New WRX.

More to follow!!

Dante Primm
Primm Motorsports www.primmracing.com (http://www.primmracing.com)

Will you let the winner choose the car they want (ie color, body style, etc)?

edit:

Will we have to mention the promotion when placing orders? or will ALL orders be eligable?

[This message has been edited by ImprezaRSinCT (edited January 17, 2001).]

OK, this promotion is going to be a go. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif

I am working on a complete description of how it is to be carried out along with the typical legal disclaimer. Please remember that this is truly a promotional campaign, which will have no legal timeframe limits or such. Also the only way this could be carried out and remain legal in every state & Canada was for us to design and implement the promotion in the exact way we have.

Description will be available at the web-site soon.

Sincerely,

Dante Primm
Primm Motorsports www.primmracing.com (http://www.primmracing.com)


[This message has been edited by Primm Motorsports (edited January 19, 2001).]

Yup, right now I'm going to get the brake line kit for $95. I may get the pedal kit too.. I'll just have to see..

Clean-Up Bump!

After receiving a very disturbing letter I regret that I must place this promotion on hold till further notice.

It appears that someone has lodged a complaint about our WRX Promotion. I have some very reliable people looking into the complaint and hopefully good news will be forthcoming.

And I thought we had covered everything http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/frown.gif http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/frown.gif

Regrettably,

Dante
Primm Motorsports

DAMNIT!!!!

Well, keep trying Dante!

***?

Is it a legal complaint or just some random complaint?

Legal as it was drafted by a lawyer, but not legal as it is not a court document. This was more of a cease & desists or else threat.

I will keep you all posted.

Dante

This is just sad.

I guess I can't follow the train of thought that would lead someone to go and ruin a promotion like this. I know, Dante, that you worked very hard on this, especially to make sure that you could include all of your customers, both in the US and Canada. Obviously none of us have seen (or probably ever will see) the complaint, but I have to believe that this is a case of someone thinking they saw an opportunity to potentially file a suit, and they jumped on it.

C'mon folks, get a life. If you have enough money to hire a lawyer and do this kind of thing, don't you have enough money to not be worried about it?

I love this country...

There's got to be a legal way to make this happen. Companies (granted, big companies with lots of lawyers) give away promotional items all the time. Of course, there's always got to be a "no purchase necessary" clause - which might be the death of Primm.

Keep trying Dante,

-Red

(sorry for the abbrieviations but...)

***?!?!?!

Why would who do such a thing?

Mike
#25

!!Update!!

Just wanted to update everyone as to where we are on this. We are looking into the complaint and what it actually addresses.

In summary; The complaints deals with the fact that we have not already procured the funds to purchase the promotional vehicle and thus we are depending on our future receipts to do so (which are not guaranteed).

I will try and keep everyone in the loop as best I can.

Sincerely,

Dante
Primm Motorsports

can u inform us on who filed the conplaint? I would just like to say its a great idea and we would all love it if u were to make this happen. We all wish you good luck.

Bah, at least it's nothing worse than that, heh...There must be some way around that...

Man, I hope this happens. I need the great deals they got going.. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif

The product deals we have listed are available now. Even if this can not be worked out the deals still stand. Worst case scenario "we have no official WRX promotion untill we have diverted enough profits to pay for a vehicle up-front".

I am working on smaller promotions that we can carry out in the meantime (i.e. SWRT products, suspension products, brake products etc...)

We have an SWRT Promo package listed in the Vendors section now.

Regards,

Dante
Primm Motorsports

this is my only chance to own a WRX period, really hope u can make it work.

cool i'm in no matter what the contest is
let us all know whats up.

A rally-x would be great!

Update Coming Soon!!!

Dante
Primm Motorsports

YES! Hopefully they tell us that everything is fine and they're going to giveaway the WRX!

Update Coming Soon!!!
Dante
Primm Motorsports


I won't say I have been holding my breath but.....

Good luck my friend, you have been more than helpful to all of us here at the I-Club and hope this goes well for you.

I scanned through this thread and tried to figure out if this idea has been brought up or not.

You were talking about possibly selling some Primm sunglasses, but you had no idea if people would buy the sunglasses or not and you can't have a contest based on purchasing anyway. So here's what you do. $25 raffle entry fee, every raffle entries wins a minimum of 1 set Primm sunglasses. So every raffle is a winner. You don't have to buy the sunglasses until all the entries are in. Sunglasses shouldn't cost more than $3 a piece to make in quantity 2000. Quantity 2000 x $25 = $50,000, which = WRX cost of $25,000, plus the sunglass cost of $6000, so you're coming out ahead and can give away other stuff to. Is the no-raffle policy because its not a non-for-profit or something? I've seen a ton of companies do door raffles, but does that mean everyone has to be present? Ugh. Laws.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in having more laws regulating giving things to people rather than taking things from people?

Didn't think so http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif

http://www.lp.org the only political party that cares about your right to be free to make your own decisions. they'd NEVER make laws as crazy as these contest laws. when I asked my congressman about contest laws years ago, he said the laws are there to protect the stupid. huh? if the stupid would learn from their mistakes rather have laws protecting them, they wouldn't be stupid for long!

Well I've been following this post for a while now! I can't understand who would go through all the trouble to file the complaint, but I think that primm has really done everything right to inculde everyone! Personally not too interested in the CAR but I do really like some of the packages and I also like the fact that the prices are a "good deal" as you put above! I really hope that you can go forward with this!

Frank 2000RS

re: going through the trouble,

Let's think about that one moment and no, I don't expect Dante to confirm my thoughts.

-- Lowest probability --
Competing Subaru tuner.

-- Fair probability --
Bar certified iclub participant (enthusiast) with a civic mind or axe to grind, take your pick. (I pick civic-- Dante seems nice enough, but there are a reason for the laws.)

-- High probability --
Subaru, who conveniently does have a legal department and has sent cease-and-desist to Subaru-related websites (both enthusiast and commercial in nature), asking the owner to remove their trademarks and add non-affiliation comments.

updates??????

WAKE UP

had to revive this

is this thing still going on???

New thread!! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/Forum1/HTML/022282.html

Dante
Primm Motorsports

RAFFLE!RAFFLE!RAFFLE!RAFFLE!RAFFLE!
I'm in, what ever it is! I wouldn't mind having another sube! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif