Ive skimmed the rules a couple times and I think Im in STX or STU. If someone could give me a second opinion and confirmation it'd be helpful.

2007 WRX

6speed STI swap, 2004
Lightened Flywheel
Subframe lock bolts for rear
aftermarket sway bar in front.
stock rear bar, but will probably upgrade for the upcoming season(i think this one might be irrelevant given other mods)
Cusco strut bars f/r, with vee brace on rear
Paranoid fabrications 5 piece subframe kit
18x8.5 wheels with 255 tires, i think this is the one true class'ing problem for me
ss braided brakelines
axxis ultimate pads
sti trunk and wing
panel filter with modified airbox

Ok, Im sure that im in either stx or stu, I think stx has a 245 tire limit though? I have zero power mods other than a catback exhaust, so I imagine that I am outclassed a bit. I ran some STX last year at the guidance of SCCA workers, I have a feeling I should have TECHNICALLY been in stu though. I dont want to step on toes. I would like to be in STX, and I am planning on buying either DOT slicks or auto x specific street tires. Going through all those rules has flooded my mind a bit.. help!

The 6 speed tranny and flywheel puts you in SM. I think the subframe lock bolts and subframe kit put you in FP.

Definitely not in the ST* classes.

Sorry man but you are not in a ST class (would be STU for a 07 WRX).
The 6 speed swap, Subframe lock bolts, V brace and 5 piece subframe kit bump you into a prepared class I think or maybe street mod. I also think the lightened flywheel is a problem for ST...someone should be able to chime in on that.

Actually, you're probably not even close to either. At best you're probably in BSP, maybe SM with your drivetrain swap, flywheel, lock bolts and subframe kit. You need to read the SCCA rule book line by line, class by class, it's not that bad if you step through it. If a modification isn't described that matches what you've done, you're not in that class. 245 is the max STU tire width, 225 is STX.

All of this only really matters if you intend to compete, and more so regionally or nationally which most don't. Locally there's usually a lot more unofficial leeway is usually given meaning people probably won't protest you if they don't think what you've done mattters or if you're not beating them, but nothing stops them from doing so.

245 is the max STU tire width, 225 is STX.245 in both for AWD.

--kC

Wow, I think its becoming more clear I am outmatched with my hardware. Im gonna make some investments in rubber and track time though. No plans to do any thing to the motor ;). I dont intend to go national, but I want to get good at driving my car to the max with stock engine configuration.

makes the g-force r1 and a set of camber plates seem that much more appealing.

Wow, I think its becoming more clear I am outmatched with my hardware. Im gonna make some investments in rubber and track time though. No plans to do any thing to the motor ;). I dont intend to go national, but I want to get good at driving my car to the max with stock engine configuration.

makes the g-force r1 and a set of camber plates seem that much more appealing.

That happens sometimes when you decide to join the sport after modifying your car. You realize some of the mods that may not be a big deal to you really bump your class up. I realized this when I started the sport with just an intake and boost controller and was getting raped in BSP. Now I'm down to STU and am planning my mods accordingly.

Unless you plan on being pretty competitive with it, just enjoy your car as it is and try to get better. I'm doing the exact same thing you are: better rubber and more seat time.

+1. Your beyond easily bringing your car back to STX or STU with the Tranny mod. You are in SM. Have fun and accept the fact that you will be stomped by super modified quasi-go-carts. You'll become a better driver soon enough;)

the v brace puts him into prepared, so with teh SM mods he moves to XP.

I would be in ESP, correct?

2005 LegGT with:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/857031

I would be in ESP, correct?

2005 LegGT with:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/857031

if your car has front brembos, youll be in SM as well.

not true..^^^^ 09 allows Brake upgrades in SP...along with aluminum 2 piece rotors if need be...

Was in a Fastrack a few monthes ago..

Thanks Bill! :D

not true..^^^^ 09 allows Brake upgrades in SP...along with aluminum 2 piece rotors if need be...

Was in a Fastrack a few monthes ago..

Edit - Ignore this post. Sorry for the confusion.

BBZZZTT.

It was put out to member comment in July. There has been no recommendation to allow it (or mention of approval to being sent to the SEB and/or the BOD) in any following fastracks.

Out for comment does not equal 'allowed'.

Since it hasn't been in any fastracks as approved and sent to the SEB/BOD, I don't think it's going to be legal for '09.

That said, it hasn't been disapproved either. They're still waiting for member feedback... so write them letters!

--kC

BBZZZTT.

It was put out to member comment in July. There has been no recommendation to allow it (or mention of approval to being sent to the SEB and/or the BOD) in any following fastracks.

Check the October FastTrack. It was approved.
-N

Now I am confuzelled :confused:...I thought it passed already

It was - see the October FastTrack.
-N

It was - see the October FastTrack.
-N

your the man..:)

Where????

Look much further up the document:

NEW BUSINESS
MOTION: To accept the 2009 Solo Rules changes as submitted by the Solo Events Board.(Noble/Introne) PASSED, Unanimous
...snip...
ITEM 21) Replace 15.6 BRAKES with the following:
...snip the rest...

*&^&*^%*&Y)*&^

You would think they would put it in the SOLO section.

NOOOoooo. It's in the BOD section

ITEM 21) Replace 15.6 BRAKES with the following:
“Vehicles may only exceed the allowances of 13.6 as specified herein.
A. Any brake line, single or dual master cylinder, vacuum brake booster, or brake proportioning valves may be used.
This does not allow multiple separate cylinders, but does allow for any single, dual-circuit cylinder.
B. “Safety brakers” and units such as the “Brake Guard System” are permitted.
C. ABS braking systems may be disabled, but not removed; brake boosters may be removed, modified, substituted, or
added.
D. Alternate brake rotors are permitted, subject to the following restrictions:
1. Rotors must be ferrous metal except for standard parts. Aluminum rotor hats are allowed. Rotor dimensions
(diameter and thickness) must be equal to or greater than standard parts. Cars originally equipped with solid
(non-vented) rotors may utilize vented rotors.
2. Cross-drilled and/or slotted brake rotors may be used. Slots/holes are permitted only in the braking area
of the rotor. Rotors featuring a drum-type parking brake in the hat area of the rotor may not be drilled or slotted in
the parking brake area.
E. Drum brakes may be replaced with disc brakes. Disc brake rotors for such a conversion must be equal to or greater
in diameter than the inside diameter of the standard brake drum. Changes to backing plates/mounting
brackets/brake lines to accommodate this change are permitted but may serve no other purpose. Drum-to-disc
SCCA Fastrack News July 2008 Page 5
brake conversions must be bolted, not welded to the axle/control arm/upright.
F. Air ducts may be fitted to the brakes, provided that no changes are made in the body/structure for their use. They
may serve no other purpose. Backing plates and dirt shields may be modified or removed.
G. A functional, redundant emergency (parking) brake must be present.
H. Brake calipers may be replaced, provided the number of pistons is equal to or greater than the original number of
pistons. Caliper mounting brackets may be replaced to accommodate this change, but may serve no other purpose.
Alternate caliper brackets must bolt to the original caliper bracket mounting location(s).”
SCCA Fastrack News July 2008

Nothing to see here. Move along. Bill was right. Neil was right. I was wrong. One can never claim the SCCA and Fastrack to make more sense than to put approved things in the Solo section and not the BOD section. (And there's still no mention of the SEB approving it and sending it to the BOD to be approved in the Solo section).

Gahh. :/

--kC

And I'm happier than a tornado in a trailer park! :lol:

lolin' at KC's expense.

I almost believed you for a second and was like, wait did I dream I read that. :lol:

Even Bill, who knew he had read it 'earlier' was confuzzled, and even quoted the entire solo section from Oct. :lol: And even I remember it, and was going to put the fastrack it was mentioned in for reference, but I couldn't find it either.

And he was right! :lol:

--kC

lolin' at KC's expense.

I almost believed you for a second and was like, wait did I dream I read that. :lol:

I'm used to it. Go ahead. After putting a 1/2" staple completely in my hand on Tues, and this...

:unamused:

--kC

OK...I am happy now...even tho I just sent a email to Doug Gill..:( for clarification...:lol:

sorry KC

Bill

What are you sorry about? I couldn't find it in the solo section either. (And did you notice the SCCA separated out the sections to Solo, Club, Rally-X, BOD, etc... ?

I just download the solo sections when they become available, because, you know... it's SOLO. SCCA surely didn't help with that, ya know?

--kC

What are you sorry about? I couldn't find it in the solo section either. (And did you notice the SCCA separated out the sections to Solo, Club, Rally-X, BOD, etc... ?

I just download the solo sections when they become available, because, you know... it's SOLO. SCCA surely didn't help with that, ya know?

--kC

I remember thinking that was odd when posted, but I've only really been paying attention the FastTracks for a year or so as I'm still relatively new to being competitive and all. I guess I'm just accustomed to FastTracks being kinda confusing.
-N

Just sent this to Doug...

Doug,

Can you pass this on to those that put together the Fastrack for future consideration? There needs to be a closer look at the process as to how it's published on-line. Thanks!

As a subscriber to the 'New Fastrack' e-mail notification, when I get a notification of a new Fastrack, I go to the specific page and download only the 'Solo' Section of the Fastrack, as it should contain everything Solo for rules changes, updates and notifications out to member comment, etc… Everything Solo.

There was recently some confusion regarding the brake allowances new for '09 in SP in a recent discussion I was involved in. In July, this brake allowance for SP was put out for member comment via Fastrack in the Solo section.

August '08: Solo section… no update/progress regarding the brake allowances.
September: Solo section… no update/progress regarding the brake allowances.
October: Solo section… no update/progress regarding the brake allowances.
November: Solo section… no update/progress regarding the brake allowances.
December: Solo section… no update/progress regarding the brake allowances.
January '09: Solo section… no update/progress regarding the brake allowances.

Today, I was told it was in the October Fastrack. I open up my Oct. '08 Fastrack that I downloaded in Sept, just the Solo section, and there's no reference to the brakes being allowed.

I was then told, it was in the BOD section. I looked at the BOD section in the SOLO file that I have and there was nothing under "RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOD" regarding brake allowances, but there were a couple other things. I was then told, no, not in the SOLO section, but the BOD section of that Fastrack. Can you sense the confusion here?)

So I went to the SCCA site again, downloaded the entire Fastrack for Oct '08 and low and behold, in the BOD section, not in the SOLO section, were a whole bunch of rules changes/additions that were sent by the SEB to the BOD.

Here's the problem: It's something that effects Solo, so it makes sense to me there would there be some reference in the Solo section that SEB sent something to the BOD. In all the changes sent by the SEB to the BOD in that Oct '08 issue, there wasn't.

How to fix? One of three ways.

1) If you're going to continue separating the Fastrack on-line for the disciplines, then please put a reference in the Solo (or anyone else's) section under "Recommendations to the BOD" that there are changes in this issue that directly apply to SOLO rules/classing and they should be referenced.
2) Stop breaking up the sections within the Fastrack. Make people read the whole thing.
3) Do nothing and continue to let the SEB slip things by the Solo membership without proper communication to the members.

Thank you,
Keith Casey

thanks Neil....:)


Bill

thanks Neil....:)


Bill

NEIL. ;-P
I stand alone as the only Irish-descended Neil in the world, because of an Italian contingent that felt an 'I' made it seem more Italian-esque a name.
-N

Ooppsy...sorry "NEIL"....thanks again...officially...;)

so what is the official verdict, because i have front brembos and competed in SM all last year ;) id love to switch in2 ESP...

so what is the official verdict, because i have front brembos and competed in SM all last year ;) id love to switch in2 ESP...

The new rules say brake swaps are basically free, so long as the new discs are at least stock width and diameter and the number of caliper pistons also must be at least as many as stock I think.
-N

HUH?

Stock from Subaru?

You lost me there!

HUH?

Stock from Subaru?

You lost me there!

Well, yes. Stock for a Subaru means what Subaru put on the car originally.
-N

The new rules say brake swaps are basically free, so long as the new discs are at least stock width and diameter and the number of caliper pistons also must be at least as many as stock I think.
-N

now we are getting confusing... brembos and oem brakes both are 4pots, but the brembo rotors are larger in width and diameter obviously...

:confused:

There's no confusion. You can upgrade brakes to bigger brakes (either wider diameter or width) or to bigger calipers with more pistons, or both. You are allowed that, but don't have to do any of it. The terms bigger, wider, and more are all in relation to whatever your car came with stock.
-N

thanks for the clarification!

<- stoked for next season, woot!

the new ESP fozzy ;)

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/wrxtremewgn/adametown2.jpg

^^^^^^
i thought u swapped turbos?

Subframe braces, v braces and lock bolts....I still can't believe people buy these, for any reason. Strut tower bars too! This kid is a Nasioc vendor's dream!

lol ^^^, were not here to criticize what modifications work and which ones dont genius.

Keep it on topic or atleast semi related to the topic and leave your major in engineering out of this.

^^^^^^
i thought u swapped turbos?

still the td04... i was going to swap in my vf39 and my other supporting mods, but i think ill hold off for a lil while and try my hand @ ESP!

im finally going to do what every1 has been telling me, concentrate on suspension and tires. im not going r comp, but ive decided on the dunlop direzza z1s, and a set of coilovers!

I'm between 17's and 18's for the direzza z1s

I'm between 17's and 18's for the direzza z1s

17.3589?
17.8964?

D-stock allows for an upgraded front swaybar but does it allow for upgraded endlinks too? thanks

yes.

--kC

cool thanks